[Wormiez]

Any leads on Type R's for sale?

[SumAznGuy]

Any leads on Type R's for sale?

How much do you want to spend?

[radeonboy]

Any leads on Type R's for sale?

If you're looking for a new '21, I believe the allocations are all spoken for.

[SumAznGuy]

If you're looking for a new '21, I believe the allocations are all spoken for.

People already trying to sell their allocations on CL.

I've seen people asking for new car price plus for their used 17/18/19 CTR's.

Just horrible

[Wormiez]

Sorry I should have been more clear - Looking for Integra Type R preferably 2000+. Based on condition I'm willing to pay what the recent Type R's been sold for.

[SumAznGuy]

Sorry I should have been more clear - Looking for Integra Type R preferably 2000+. Based on condition I'm willing to pay what the recent Type R's been sold for.

As a collector or looking for a track car?

[Wormiez]

Collector

[SumAznGuy]

Not sure if you will find one locally. You may be better off looking in the US, but enough of us here that someone will post up if something pops up.

Just be prepared to pay as I am sure you know, people will ask for the moon.

[teggy604]

Anyone check out the recent throttle house vid with the CTR LE, BMW M2CS, Mach 1. Good watch.

[dhari]

If you're looking for a new '21, I believe the allocations are all spoken for.

I have a '21 CTR for sale. Dark Grey on Red. Pm if interested

[GIZZ]

I don't get all the local used CTR fishing. I'm sure everyone saw the 2 2021 type R LE for 50 something USD on BAT.

Here was the latest LE for $52,000

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2021-honda-civic-type-r-special-edition-4/

[320icar]

Lol. From someone outside the Honda community looking in, it’s all just ?????????

[rawr]

These prices are insane lmao. I wanna have whatever these fucks are smoking

2020 Honda Civic Type R - $88,700
https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/cto/d/vancouver-2020-honda-civic-type/7329777376.html

Honda Civic Type R 2020 BB - $69,420
https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/cto/d/richmond-honda-civic-type-2020-bb/7329504185.html

Honda Civic Type R 2020 - $96,420
https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/cto/d/vancouver-honda-civic-type-2020/7329126733.html

[trollface]

LOL good luck

[Hondaracer]

Porsche prices..

[westopher]

I get the nostalgia tax on the ITR, but why pay it without getting the nostalgia part?

[Spectre_Cdn]

Madness, even buying used from a dealer is more reasonable.

2019 CW for $45k (https://www.regencytoyota.com/en/used-inventory/honda/civic%20type%20r/2019/2019-honda-civic%20type%20r-id8668790?quoteId=7bbc9a0d-b2b4-49ab-b8d3-dc80f829e0f4&writeToken=AAAAAAAAAAAUsvwenbs2DS0JdP6ssr8wJAVv1wb rFfN_Ed_t8F0SjAa7nWDfTY50kqE16maSr8oExAlUF7_x7YHC_ 0nlfr0m_UzpAYHlSXVfNJfhp8jCtYMybOO_-gOC8EFv7CiCGI2MX1JmOtEdFGmF3unBHUGukb7OlBQJmlWO6ik rvmB1o5Kn95V3tpWkya5l_1r55jaA1dNY6KK5ZmAavQ0G1ecBD _EXNDAAGA5Wpv7225PpIuNaWGLTrvWV-OunjTHlYQc7TunSQOU9Kf1xyIQab9n4NIQNZXZI61njA63bKcN iozDoBM5gQMRV-9rXyeOfEd1gAS86tHuxtYg6oq1qk_QRdjZtpn_jUZ2zI-pv5ArnbKQiYlwJulPiOMt03AU-NhVdGqGQYcKH_c3XZA)

[SkunkWorks]

Looks more like someone trying to game the FMV average calculation - be it for insurance or B/S negotiations.

[teggy604]

I get the nostalgia tax on the ITR, but why pay it without getting the nostalgia part?

I think they are just trolling with the prices.

[Klondike]

Honda Civic Type R 2020 BB - $69,420
https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/cto/d/richmond-honda-civic-type-2020-bb/7329504185.html

this guy's trolling with the 69 420 price :lol

[tegra7]

https://youtu.be/cp-k5-KzK9k

[TouringTeg]

Dhari I pmed you.

There is so much madness in the FK8 market. I have never seen anything like it. Prices are just wild now.

For reference here are the MSRPs for Canada:

2021 LE $56,400
2021 $48,001
2020 $45,491
2019 $43,490
2018 $42,890
2017 $40,890

[EmperorIS]

https://vhr.carfax.ca/?id=xFRAlZsalSiIAnDPKBLCIMzFId53Geoi

Why the fuck this car was getting an alignment every 10 days

[GIZZ]

They have a Hunter drive through alignment checker. He’s not asking for it, they’re just checking it as a courtesy and potential sales.

[GIZZ]

I now know of 2 local LE’s, one brought in from out of province. Both went straight into storage, their idea of an investment. Right now it’s better than money in the bank but there’s are so many better ways to make money.

[68style]

^ I think those people are going to be sadly disappointed with the return compared to other investment vehicles (<- no pun intended haha)

[westopher]

If I was voted prime minister first thing I’d do is make a stipulation that sellers have to pay tax on used enthusiast cars if they haven’t driven them either a certain amount of kilometres or attended a minimum number of C+Cs or track days.
I eagerly await your votes.

[JDMDreams]

Should we start buying Supras now??? Profit

[white rocket]

Should we start buying Supras now??? Profit

The ship has sailed with trying to snag up a potential "collector" car. Anyone who bought a vehicle period pre-COVID is pretty much laughing all the way to the bank now. Even shitty vehicles are commanding higher than normal prices. The whole pre-owned market is completely out of whack currently.

[westopher]

Someone bought a 2004 neon with 89miles on BAT for 19k USD. I literally wouldn’t pay $19 for a fucking neon.
It’s a fucking joke.

[EmperorIS]

They have a Hunter drive through alignment checker. He’s not asking for it, they’re just checking it as a courtesy and potential sales.

But why was the owner visiting the dealership every 10 days. I guess maybe the owner worked there?

[tofu1413]

Someone bought a 2004 neon with 89miles on BAT for 19k USD. I literally wouldn’t pay $19 for a fucking neon.
It’s a fucking joke.

I just searched it up. crapped my pants that it actually happened.

[320icar]

Like, a neon SRT4? Or just a shitbox Plymouth neon or wtv

[westopher]

Yeah I mean, I get the nostalgia tax. I paid a shitload of it, but who ever had a fuckin good time in a neon? The high school meth dealer? That would have been an srt-4 at least.

[68style]

It is nuts, I bought a Prelude SR-V prior to COVID off some kid, single family owned, pretty obscure car for next to nothing just based on my own nostalgia and never having owned one... little did I know suddenly in 2 years it’s a collector car (I do have collector plates on it) and I am seeing them go for like $15,000 in the USA which is more than 3x what I paid for it... insanity. I mean it’s a cool enough car but it’s not earth shattering and I find it uncomfortable to sit in hence thinking of selling it

At that time I didn’t even have to see the ad and email within 30 seconds either... I saw it for like a week and went to see it and then hmmm’d and hawww’d for like another week and then decided to buy it... not like today where you have to almost know about it before the seller even knows they're selling it.

[JDMDreams]

Sold 2 cars, made money on both, but now struggling to find a replacement daily beater. $2000 beaters are now $5000 and rebuilt cars are same price as clean title :rukidding:

[68style]

I’ve got a Prelude you can live all your JDM dreams with

[teggy604]

I now know of 2 local LE’s, one brought in from out of province. Both went straight into storage, their idea of an investment. Right now it’s better than money in the bank but there’s are so many better ways to make money.

Good luck storing modern cars with sophisticated electronics. 20yrs later and all the electronic that needs replacing Honda probably going to have parts discontinued by then.

[68style]

Good luck storing modern cars with sophisticated electronics. 20yrs later and all the electronic that needs replacing Honda probably going to have parts discontinued by then.

Not even hyperbole... I know of a lot of problems with the early 90's NSX's there's been some dash fires from melting capacitors on the circuit boards behind the gauge cluster... and even my Prelude the A/C button appears to work intermittently and the fix is to pull the button system out and re-solder all the solder points on the circuit board.

It can only get worse with screens and LCD dashes, etc.

[radeonboy]

I now know of 2 local LE’s, one brought in from out of province. Both went straight into storage, their idea of an investment. Right now it’s better than money in the bank but there’s are so many better ways to make money.

Seems like quite a risky bet, especially with a new one around the corner with likely better specs.

I was talking to someone out of the blue at a parking lot and he mentioned that there are ~25 LEs they know of coming to Lower Mainland (based on a WhatsApp group he's in), so if that's true I'm sure we'll see at least a few in the city out and about.

[twitchyzero]

Good luck storing modern cars with sophisticated electronics. 20yrs later and all the electronic that needs replacing Honda probably going to have parts discontinued by then.

what’s the reason circuit boards fail from just sitting there?

[underscore]

Capacitors are a big one. They either dry out internally and look normal but don't work, or leak the corrosive filling everywhere which will short things out and slowly eat through the circuit board and the thin wires embedded in it. Anything 25+ years old will be prone to this eventually, but some problems are more common that others and it can happen much sooner. In my era Celica the two in the ECU that are part of the CEL circuit like to leak and cause damage to the injector drivers, and the ones that work the tach like to dry out so it bounces around like crazy. Both of my ECU's had them starting to leak when I pulled them apart and replaced all the caps a couple years ago.

Odds are most people who have been tossing aftermarket EMS into 20+ year old cars because it won't run quite right just needed new caps in their ECU.

[twitchyzero]

i still remember your old posts fixing xbox/playstation haha

[underscore]

I still have a stack of broken 360's in my basement, I was going to fix them and then mod them for LAN parties but I never got around to it.

[TouringTeg]

My 2001 ITR ecu capacitor leaked. Gave me a CEL I spent a lot of time and money on trouble shooting. It was actually a product recall if it happened early on. I was lucky to get another Canadian spec ITR ecu locally. They are Canadian specific and then 00-01 was different than other years. Electronic failures are the worst.

I question if there is anyone out there willing to spend $75k-90k on a Civic Type R LE. Even if I had the money I wouldn’t.

That said I will get another FK8. They are fast and fun and I can haul my kids easily. Even my wife enjoys driving it and wants to try it at the track.

[teggy604]

what’s the reason circuit boards fail from just sitting there?

Moisture, condensation, temperature etc. The way I see modern car is literally a computer on wheels. Have some fun, build some memories, then it goes into the garbage.
I have a friend that works as a tech for LandRover and the amount of blackout gauge cluster he gets for warranty is crazy. They just swap in a new unit. They dont bother fixing the old guage clusters.

[SumAznGuy]

and even my Prelude the A/C button appears to work intermittently and the fix is to pull the button system out and re-solder all the solder points on the circuit board.


I had an 88 CRX and that was the fix for one of the relays. Without doing that, the car wouldn't start. Sometimes I could wack the dash and the car would magically start.

On a lesser extent, the clock on my wife's 00 CRV went and the re-solder was the fix as well.

Those were the days.

[68style]

Moisture, condensation, temperature etc. The way I see modern car is literally a computer on wheels. Have some fun, build some memories, then it goes into the garbage.
I have a friend that works as a tech for LandRover and the amount of blackout gauge cluster he gets for warranty is crazy. They just swap in a new unit. They dont bother fixing the old guage clusters.

Sounds like a small side business opportunity for out of warranty vehicles :D

[teggy604]

Sounds like a small side business opportunity for out of warranty vehicles :D

It will be tough. Unlike the old days where you can buy a scanner from Canadian tire and scan fault codes, today's car require more expensive and complicated diagnose equip that only dealers will have.

[Wormiez]

If anyone is looking LHD 99 Type R available in Montreal

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camions/ville-de-montreal/acura-integra-type-r-1999/1571639548

[twitchyzero]

how do you say if aint a type-r in french :troll:

https://youtu.be/T5FF-ReqrY0

[tegra7]

If anyone is looking LHD 99 Type R available in Montreal

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camions/ville-de-montreal/acura-integra-type-r-1999/1571639548

Another one in Quebec
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camions/laval-rive-nord/acura-integra-type-r/1565543472?undefined

[freelunch]

Whats the market price these days for a ITR? Not sure if US Bring a Trailer prices apply locally.

[68style]

^ they certainly do on a car as rare as the ITR, more common ones there’s a bit of a Canadian discount but not these… there’s so few come up for sale locally I don’t think anyone can even answer the question

[tegra7]

^They seem to be cheaper in eastern Canada and pop up for sale more often than around here.

[Wormiez]

In my recent search, the going market for BC OEM LHD Type R is $35K. There are some owners expecting BAT pricing of $60K...

[snake]

Anybody selling Spoon or Mugen ITR parts, please pm me.
Also looking for JDM rims, any colour.

[freelunch]

Insured it and realized how much I missed driving it.

https://i.ibb.co/8jYH0bn/IMG-20210619-160520-747.jpg (https://ibb.co/P5DdNMs)

https://i.ibb.co/Hph62gH/IMG-20210619-160520-760.jpg (https://ibb.co/zH6p5f4)

https://i.ibb.co/68pZ8W1/IMG-20210619-160520-806.jpg (https://ibb.co/T1nT1gb)

[68style]

So there is such a thing as a freelunch. Huh.

[Gumby]

My gawd, it just looks so pleasing to the eyes... if I won the lottery, I’d definitely get a DC2 Type R.

[tofu1413]

crazy how time has been so kind to these R's


in 2010 - its almost impossible to sell a yellow ITR for $10k.... white, maybe 11-15k depending mods.

now its 30k + and a bidding line

[Spectre_Cdn]

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/06/seller-crashes-acura-integra-type-r-he-sold-for-51000-on-bat-right-after-auction-ended/

Rip

[twitchyzero]

any chance it was on 23 years old tires :troll:

[teggy604]

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/06/seller-crashes-acura-integra-type-r-he-sold-for-51000-on-bat-right-after-auction-ended/

Rip

The article just says it was sideswiped. Lets just say technically if he was not at fault for the accident, and he has proof the car sold for $51,000 US on BAT. Would insurance still write it off as total loss or repair it? and if insurance decides to repair it would he also have to claim for depreciation?

[TouringTeg]

There is speculation that the seller can now buy it back from insurance, add a JDM front and keep driving it white a stack of cash.

It’s more likely they just may a poor decision to take it out for a drive and had back luck.

[westopher]

Had the money already changed hands? Until that money was in the bank account I’d be driving it too. Just winning the auction doesn’t necessarily mean the guy paid him yet.

[JDMDreams]

^^ us is kinda weird? Apparently the title is like a piece of paper which you can get later? From what I've seen on YouTube you can just go pay cash and drive off with the car. They don't seem to have the whole you have to go to ICBC to get insurance thing and get the car registered in your name?

[westopher]

Yeah that’s correct, and weird as fuck. But I’m questioning whether the money changed hands.

[320icar]

Had the money already changed hands? Until that money was in the bank account I’d be driving it too. Just winning the auction doesn’t necessarily mean the guy paid him yet.

I strongly disagree. If it were a Craigslist deal for a normal car that says “mileage will go up as it is my daily” sure but a super clean high profile BAT auction that you just got 3x the money of what that cars actually worth? Then write it off?? Nah mate.

When you proposed, did her ex come up and say “ey bud one can shag I ain’t see your name on that marriage certificate yet”

[westopher]

I'd let any of my good friends drive my car but I wouldn't let any of them fuck my wife.
If someone messaged me and said, hey I'll give you 60k tomorrow for your e30, it's mine until they show up with the cash. That 51,014 on the odometer isn't going to change the car the person has told me they are buying at 51,007. Quite frankly if I were the buyer I'd expect him to go fill the tank for me as well.
We aren't talking about the guy taking it to work for the next 4 weeks while he got the shipping organized. It's one drive. It was just bad luck. Either way, buyer keeps his money. It's not like he bought the car and had someones crashed ITR show up unannounced.

[underscore]

Playing devils advocate a bit here, the guy may not have even been driving it around on the street for fun when it was hit. He could've been in a bind and needed to drive it, he could've been moving it somewhere else to store it, he could've been pulling it around to go put it on a trailer, hell it could've been parked a la BIC_BAWS.

Either way, and especially considering how many people seem to bail on their BaT purchases, it's still his car until he gets the money for it and signs it over. So if that hasn't happened yet then he can do what he likes with it. For the buyer, if the cars gonna be damaged then right before you buy it is gonna be better than in transit or after delivery.

[SkunkWorks]

Lol guys, winning a BAT auction isn't legally binding. Literally the only thing BAT provides is the phone number of the buyer to the seller.

Buyer clearly didn't send money nor receive the title so seller can do/crash as he pleases.

[TouringTeg]

Got an FK8!


Good point that the sale is not done by any stretch even though the auction has completed. No legal issue with the seller driving the car more.
BAT takes their fee immediately off the credit card and it is up to the buyer and sell to complete the sale. This is where many deals fall apart.

I would wager at least half of the cars showing "Sold" on BAT were not actually sold to the winning bidder.

[OriginalJC]

WTB: 17-21 Civic Type R (FK8) BC private sale any color but black Does anyone have a private sale FK8 Civic Type R for sale that isn't already listed? I have looked at a bunch and tofu has been helping me. He is gonna get tired of looking at them if I don't find one soon lol

Email: touringteg at hotmail dot com or PM but I don't check PMs often.


Good point that the sale is not done by any stretch even though the auction has completed. No legal issue with the seller driving the car more.
BAT takes their fee immediately off the credit card and it is up to the buyer and sell to complete the sale. This is where many deals fall apart.

I would wager at least half of the cars showing "Sold" on BAT were not actually sold to the winning bidder.

Sent you an email

[TouringTeg]

Email received!

I picked up a 2017 Civic Type R yesterday. Championship white, 39kms some mild mods like Intake, exhaust, Hondata, 255/35/20 Michelin 4S on stock wheels.

It’s a driver and I am happy to have it home!

[GIZZ]

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/06/seller-crashes-acura-integra-type-r-he-sold-for-51000-on-bat-right-after-auction-ended/

Rip

It won't be long until it's up for sale again. Either fixed, or sold to insurance and fixed. Once repaired I'd buy this before that local ITR from quebec with all the rust repairs done.

[ryany]

Any recommendations or know where to get a USDM catalytic converter or test pipe for DC2r? I'm looking to replace mine as it's rattling.

Thanks!

[tegra7]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1418177101887345/

[Spectre_Cdn]

This should probably spin off into its own thread eventually, but the Integra is coming back in 2022:
https://mobile.twitter.com/dsgolson/status/1426032524631810058?s=19

https://www.instagram.com/p/CSgCT5Mlz1C/?utm_medium=copy_link

This also marks a return to proper model names :ahwow:
And the throwback detail on the front bumper is a lovely touch :o

Will they bring back a sedan alongside a hatchback, to replace the ILX? The slope of the Civic hatchback’s rear does look more like the OG Integra’s than the 90’s Civics. Without a doubt a Type-R should show up at some point.

[ssjGoku69]

The concept looks sooo similar to the ILX though..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8pSxtjXoAAZnU0?format=jpg&name=medium
https://cars.usnews.com/pics/size/776x517/images/Auto/izmo/i105104133/2019_acura_ilx_headlight.jpg

[Alpine]

Realistically, I imagine a reskinned 40k civic HB, with more tech and luxury, heavier, maybe an extra 5-10HP. I don't think it's going to meet the expectations of the original 90s integra fans.

[320icar]

Realistically, I imagine a reskinned 40k civic HB, with more tech and luxury, heavier, maybe an extra 5-10HP. I don't think it's going to meet the expectations of the original 90s integra fans.

You literally described the integral to a T back in the 90’s other than price. That’s exactly what it was!

[CorneringArtist]

There's some faint rumblings that it's 1.5T+DCT for the base model, and CTR 2.0T+10AT for the Type S. Honda would be insane not offering the manual on the Type S.

If they release the Integra with a 4-door coupe/sportback option, my GTI is gone for an AT Type S.

[!Aznboi128]

Here's what I think is gonna happen. The Integra will replace the ILX and share the platform of the new civic. It's too expensive for them to come out with a completely new platform.

Base engine will likely be the 1.5T top trim will be a 2L Turbo but I don't think it's going to be the type-r motor. It doesn't make sense for Honda/acura to take the CTR and detune it for a type-s. if anything it'll be the 2L turbo from the RDX/Accord. 10speed auto and maybe a 6-speed.

I don't see a coupe cause it doesn't make sense, I'm thinking it'll be a four door coupe.

[supafamous]

Here's what I think is gonna happen. The Integra will replace the ILX and share the platform of the new civic. It's too expensive for them to come out with a completely new platform.

Base engine will likely be the 1.5T top trim will be a 2L Turbo but I don't think it's going to be the type-r motor. It doesn't make sense for Honda/acura to take the CTR and detune it for a type-s. if anything it'll be the 2L turbo from the RDX/Accord. 10speed auto and maybe a 6-speed.

I don't see a coupe cause it doesn't make sense, I'm thinking it'll be a four door coupe.

Fingers crossed that the 1.5T is matched up with the DCT from the 1G TLX - that gearbox was perfectly good but had nowhere to be put in use. Agree that the 2.0T will probably be 272hp, not 306hp like the Type R. Maybe it gets SH-AWD to differentiate it from the Civic.

While manuals are unpopular I would figure at least one trim will get it - hard to say which though, could make the case for either one as both are just sitting on the shelf ready to go.

I'd be surprised if it's a 2 door coupe/hatch - there's just no market for that anymore. Makes way more sense to be a sedan or a Sportback. A Sportback would be so dope.

[tofu1413]

Realistically, I imagine a reskinned 40k civic HB, with more tech and luxury, heavier, maybe an extra 5-10HP. I don't think it's going to meet the expectations of the original 90s integra fans.

the 90s integra was exactly that. :awwyeah:

My Gut feeling is this car will be more RSX than Integra.......... but thats ok.

past ten year Acura lineup has been luke warm.......... need to bring back some of that 90s-early 00's cars.

:alonehappy::alonehappy::alonehappy:


I'm genuinely excited.

[Hakkaboy]

The concept looks sooo similar to the ILX though..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8pSxtjXoAAZnU0?format=jpg&name=medium
https://cars.usnews.com/pics/size/776x517/images/Auto/izmo/i105104133/2019_acura_ilx_headlight.jpg

That's their design language going forward though, with that pentagon grill and chicane LED headlights. You can argue that it looks like MDX, RSX, TLX as well....

The only car that does not have that grill is the NSX 2.0...RIP.

[tofu1413]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ku6tLByx6II/YC1nm3B7rWI/AAAAAAABB14/MpaQDhHNqcAxv7iJePSQo_QD1xEqi28AACNcBGAsYHQ/s16000/burlappcar-coupe-1.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vpOvSS2w0PE/YC1no38-LdI/AAAAAAABB18/bKv5yzXXvB46f6hf4G-8iozTo4R_vzwhACNcBGAsYHQ/s16000/burlappcar-coupe-2.jpg

hope they make the nose clean and grill free.

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images-webp/news/modern-honda-integra-type-r-rendering-joins-n-a-engine-with-manual-transmission-166793-7.jpg.webp

I know some of these are creative concept renderings but imagine if the car was quite close to this... thatll be great.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/modern-honda-integra-type-r-rendering-joins-n-a-engine-with-manual-transmission-166793.html#

[Alpine]

You literally described the integral to a T back in the 90’s other than price. That’s exactly what it was!

Sorry, I should've clarified that I meant the spirit of the old cars won't be captured. Light, nimble, etc. The "spirit" of the old Integra is what made it special and in my mind, is the essence of the nameplate.
I liken it to throwing Eclipse onto a SUV. Correct me If I am wrong, but no one here thinks about the 90s Integra as simply a dolled-up Civic (which I agree, it was), do we?

[68style]

^
There's no such thing a light and nimble with today's safety standards... only the Miata has managed to carry that forward and certain Lotus products... everyone else is just like fuck it high door sills and crash safety to the max

[tofu1413]

Sorry, I should've clarified that I meant the spirit of the old cars won't be captured. Light, nimble, etc. The "spirit" of the old Integra is what made it special and in my mind, is the essence of the nameplate.
I liken it to throwing Eclipse onto a SUV. Correct me If I am wrong, but no one here thinks about the 90s Integra as simply a dolled-up Civic (which I agree, it was), do we?

Civic and Integra were same but different. Pros and cons but the teg tended to be a bit more powerful with more displacement and power. A bit of extra weight and features too compared to civic.

Not surprised if the new car shares underpinnings of new 11 gen civic but in a completely different body shell. No complaints there but it does show Acura is tapping in a bit of their heritage to market the car being a bit sportier than the ILX it may be replacing.

Acura is trying (again) and it shows.

Burrard Acura themselves got 6 deposits today for the 22’ integra….

So it begins. Revscene 2.0 gen :lawl:

[Alpine]

Watching the drone show again, it could even be a 2 door TLX. The profile looks like it.

[twitchyzero]

Acura has aggressively moved away from Honda platforms (RDX, TLX, MDX)
a CL replacement might actually be likely

i think they would be wise to keep the cost/weight down by sticking with what honda has mastered..FWD

few things that are non-negotiable for the Integra/RSX nameplate

1. naturally-aspirated K motor
2. 2-door liftback design with water in the spare well
3. dead easy to work on

[supafamous]

Acura has aggressively moved away from Honda platforms (RDX, TLX, MDX)
a CL replacement might actually be likely

That's a bit of semantics from Acura - the RDX and TLX share the core body with the Civic/Accord/CR-V platform but have unique front and rear bits, just enough that Acura can make a claim that it's "exclusive" (the RDX's road noise certainly says it's not a true luxury platform). In interviews they're careful with their words too - they only admit to similarities under detailed questioning.

VW/Audi share the MLB Evo platform between the A4, A6, Cayenne, Bentaga, Urus and I bet there's more differences between those cars than between the Accord and TLX but VW/Audi doesn't call them unique.

The MDX is only exclusive right now but that chassis will underpin the new Pilot and Odyssey though probably without the DWB front. Same bits though.

[twitchyzero]

true on the mdx and rdx but it seems like tlx is only similiar enough to other products solely for streamline manufacturing but otherwise it's invested more for performance

TLX is different in that it has a bespoke platform that is not shared with any other Acura or Honda vehicle,” Acura says. “This approach was adopted to meet the high dynamic targets [for the Type S], and unique powertrain [the 3.0T V6] and drivetrain applications [SH-AWD] that required a different platform from the Accord.

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/02/15/2022-acura-mdx-platform-strategy/#slide-2265375

or maybe im still drinking too much of their marketing kool-aid

[CorneringArtist]

It's like how a company can claim "Made in USA with imported parts". Acura can say it's bespoke to them, but it would have existing data from Honda. Otherwise, the development would be in the hundreds of millions for each car.

[TypeRNammer]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ku6tLByx6II/YC1nm3B7rWI/AAAAAAABB14/MpaQDhHNqcAxv7iJePSQo_QD1xEqi28AACNcBGAsYHQ/s16000/burlappcar-coupe-1.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vpOvSS2w0PE/YC1no38-LdI/AAAAAAABB18/bKv5yzXXvB46f6hf4G-8iozTo4R_vzwhACNcBGAsYHQ/s16000/burlappcar-coupe-2.jpg

hope they make the nose clean and grill free.

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images-webp/news/modern-honda-integra-type-r-rendering-joins-n-a-engine-with-manual-transmission-166793-7.jpg.webp

I know some of these are creative concept renderings but imagine if the car was quite close to this... thatll be great.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/modern-honda-integra-type-r-rendering-joins-n-a-engine-with-manual-transmission-166793.html#

Getting RSX vibes from the spy shots :notbad:

[westopher]

I think it looks pretty awesome. One thing with new cars you just can’t get away from that annoys me though is the tiny windows and high belt line that safety standards dictate.

[twitchyzero]

those spy shots are fake

[GIZZ]

Maybe this is why they killed the civic coupe.

The integra should have more performance than a Civic Type R. I'm hopeful for the best what they can put together, 2.0 turbo, manual, awd, aluminum monocoque. But will they do it? I doubt it.

[!Aznboi128]

nah, the Integra will never be more powerful than the CTR. if they made an ITR then yes but Integra will always be a step below the CTR.

[68style]

Maybe have the slightly detuned Type-R motor they put in the Accord for a couple years?

[!Aznboi128]

that motor is more than just detuned, internals were different iirc. But yea that would be likely for a "type-s" variant.

[supafamous]

https://jalopnik.com/heres-exactly-what-makes-the-2018-honda-accord-and-civi-1820164645 - All the differences.

I'd guess the Integra drivetrains will be a 1.5T/DCT or 6MT and a 2.0T/10AT (or 6MT) with the 2.0T being the RDX tune (272hp). I also don't see any way it'll be faster than the CTR - Type R is bigger than Type S. I'd guess the Type S trim will be competitive with the Golf R though since it'll be lighter.

[tofu1413]

nah, the Integra will never be more powerful than the CTR. if they made an ITR then yes but Integra will always be a step below the CTR.

something like this


my guess will be the integra itself will slot between the Si Civic and CTR itself, power / numbers wise.

[TypeRNammer]

Next generation Civic Type R up close, but still camo'd

Initial impression, it doesn't look wild and bizarre any more.

https://www.motor1.com/news/538196/2023-honda-civic-type-r-teaser/amp/

[JDMDreams]

Yea it seems like it doesn't look as odd and trying as hard as before. But it still has that weird bumper Bump on the grill :heckno:

[TouringTeg]

Yes they will definitely tone down the styling. Looks good so far. I am wondering what types of performance enhancements there will be since I am a track rat.

Quite a few FK8 owners trading / selling their cars with the inflated market so they will be prepared to get a deposit down on the new one.

[JDMDreams]

So is the new one a sedan? Cuz it doesn't look like a hatch anymore like the current one. Too bad STI doesn't have wagons anymore. As of right now I still think the golf r is the best looking one. I do like the A45 but that's stupid expensive:okay:

[Bender Unit]

It will be base on the Hatch version
look at the Rear Trunk spoiler
It is mount on the hatch

[twitchyzero]

sweet camo

https://scontent.fyvr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/244473604_4648575525193822_953549733820033598_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=-aVTFYpaGcoAX--XFZY&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr4-1.fna&oh=5b2f3e3594c911884c0dd11a8fe869bf&oe=61819848

[JDMDreams]

Man just remake the Mugen RR and I'll buy it, I don't need all dem angles and vents on the new ones.

[Kalize]

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/PzekG/s1/2023-honda-civic-type-r-rendering.jpg

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/9YPKm/s1/2023-honda-civic-type-r-rendering.jpg

[tofu1413]

much smoother aesthetics than the FK8 judging by the prototype.

[68style]

Somehow they seem to be moving from ugly but garish/daring.......... to just boring ugly

[westopher]

I want to like it because they changed a lot of styling cues I didn't like, but replaced them with lack of styling cues which I also don't like lol.

[twitchyzero]

not what comes to mind when i think of a type R hatch but i like it

big fake grilles gone, so are gundam extensions, absurd wang/wheels etc

front fascia aside, it has a very euro-look

only thing that bothers me is retention of a clamshell hood or the appearance of one, belongs on a truck

million dollar question: overheating solved?

[BIC_BAWS]

Damn is that a kia stinger? (From the back)

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[JDMDreams]

Every time I see the new civic front end I get reminded of this

https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/06/e6/27/05/xperience-sea-breeze.jpg

But if it's close to those renders then I think Honda is doing a 03 to 06 Subaru. Throw random designs in until ppl likes it. Bug eye, blob eye, pig nose:drunk:

[JDMDreams]

Just saw this on YouTube, damn turbos makes cars sound so sad FeelsBadMan

https://youtu.be/DpPH1sLxE-8

[v_tec]

Meanwhile in Hong Kong....

https://scontent.fyvr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/247743845_10226726772705190_8228935975574613606_n. jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=5xP7LA_RaawAX9B4MJg&tn=slGgunLia6T59Tjg&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr4-1.fna&oh=ff8a7b17466c205fda4e9f350a311367&oe=619EABDA

[trollface]

DIU

[twitchyzero]

https://youtu.be/49XKVnCPcZk

[dark0821]

So is the new one a sedan? Cuz it doesn't look like a hatch anymore like the current one. Too bad STI doesn't have wagons anymore. As of right now I still think the golf r is the best looking one. I do like the A45 but that's stupid expensive:okay:

there is hope!!!! Only if you are in Australia

Friken Subaru man... you read the head line...

The 2022 Subaru WRX Sportswagon Is the First WRX Wagon Since 2007

and then you see....

Its engine bay houses an identical 2.4-liter, turbocharged flat-four producing the same 271 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque according to Which Car

but as you get excited you see....

There's no six-speed manual in the WRX Sportswagon, just that CVT masquerading as an eight-speed.

WTF Subaru.... WTF..... and then they will kill the wagon and say... see we tried, there was no market for it. Our forester sells 30Xs more, people want CUV/SUVs

ahhhh sigh....

source
https://www.thedrive.com/news/42748/the-2022-subaru-wrx-sportswagon-is-the-first-wrx-wagon-since-2007
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-subaru-wrx-sportswagon-photos-details/

[BIC_BAWS]

So is the new one a sedan? Cuz it doesn't look like a hatch anymore like the current one.

The new civic hatch looks disgusting anyway.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211111/93b8d73064f27d94d8674eae0946e057.jpg

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[JDMDreams]

So they made a forester xt CVT again

[underscore]

there is hope!!!! Only if you are in Australia

Friken Subaru man... you read the head line...

The 2022 Subaru WRX Sportswagon Is the First WRX Wagon Since 2007

and then you see....

Its engine bay houses an identical 2.4-liter, turbocharged flat-four producing the same 271 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque according to Which Car

but as you get excited you see....

There's no six-speed manual in the WRX Sportswagon, just that CVT masquerading as an eight-speed.

WTF Subaru.... WTF..... and then they will kill the wagon and say... see we tried, there was no market for it. Our forester sells 30Xs more, people want CUV/SUVs

ahhhh sigh....

source
https://www.thedrive.com/news/42748/the-2022-subaru-wrx-sportswagon-is-the-first-wrx-wagon-since-2007
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-subaru-wrx-sportswagon-photos-details/

Can you really call it a wagon when it's the same length as the sedan?

[tofu1413]

Aren't wagon variants just a sedan with a "backpack" strapped on the back?

usually the length are the same off the top of my head

[!Aznboi128]

Yea, wagons are the same length as the sedan if not a tad longer and then hatches would be shorter

[underscore]

Aren't wagon variants just a sedan with a "backpack" strapped on the back?

usually the length are the same off the top of my head

I always assumed they were longer? All the German wagons, the Legacy, etc all look to be a lot longer than the Impreza ones. The Impreza wagon just always looks more like a slightly longer hatchback rather than a wagon, maybe that's just the weird 45* angle they always give the rear making it look smaller.

[tofu1413]

Probably the long roof made it look longer.

my GC8 / GF8 (wagon) shared the same side skirts and rear bumper spats. so wheelbase wise theyre the same sedan vs wagon.

coupes for that era were same wheelbase too!

Legacy sedan and wagon share same exhaust systems and skirts.

E class wagon same deal. Only thing was the rear suspension was self leveling on the wagon version.

Only car I can think of is the Golf 5 door vs Golf Wagon - those were different wheel bases for sure.

[SkunkWorks]

Both the E46 and E91 wagons are the same length as the sedans.

[underscore]

Well I stand corrected, thanks guys. What defines something as a wagon and not a hatchback then?

[twitchyzero]

estate/station wagon are boxier/full cargo length (mid-size or bigger sedans), hb typically are rounder with less trunk area (compacts)

[320icar]

Interesting comments. The Ford Focus sedan and hatchback are the same wheelbase. The wagon (not North America obviously, fucking cunts) has a 4” longer wheelbase. I’ll import the euro wagon focus ST in a few years once it’s legal

[snowball]

hatchbacks are just anything with a hatch, 2-door 90s integras used to be hatchbacks even though they looked coupe-like.

All wagons are hatchbacks, but not all hatchbacks are wagons; though many are.

[pherio]

https://youtu.be/uAXn5jumcRs

a bit disappointed that the wing is mounted lower on the hatch and not part way up as in the earlier posts

[pherio]

https://youtu.be/QiRjvieEEtc

clearer nonpromotional video shows wing mounted higher up the c-pillar

[tofu1413]

looks like a mild evolution of the FK8.

been really feeling that new 11 gen dashboard though. Some branded Recaros and a momo steering wheel will be great.

[BIC_BAWS]

Hopefully everyone hates it so the value of my FK8 goes up hahahah

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[320icar]

Sure looks like a crossover to me

[AzNightmare]

Well I stand corrected, thanks guys. What defines something as a wagon and not a hatchback then?

I don't think length is really relevant, although they usually are correlated just by the nature of design.

https://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/06/pillaraaa.jpg

Hatchbacks generally only have 3 pillars. Some times the C is very thick, or the C and D are very close that it's almost merged.


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2010/12/lead3-2011-subaru-wrx-review.jpg pillar C and D are close

https://cdn.jdpower.com/ChromeImageGallery/ColorMatched/White/640/cc_2017HOC020001_640/cc_2017HOC020001_640_WA.jpg almost merged

https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/2015-volkswagen-golf-r-side-view-carbuzz-355438.jpg pretty much just a pillar c

Wagons will clearly have a D pillar, giving it a distinctive boxy look, like it could support another row of seats in the trunk. That WRX wagon has a D pillar like the cars below.


https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/2020-mercedes-benz-e-class-wagon-side-view-driving-carbuzz-517207.jpg

https://crdms.images.consumerreports.org/c_lfill,w_720,q_auto,f_auto/prod/cars/chrome/white/2017VWC330001_1280_03

[tegra7]

Current bid $111k usd. About an hour and a half left.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-acura-integra-type-r-51/

[white rocket]

We have now entered a world where a $150K CAD Integra Type R with painted mud flaps exists. Barely considered a "classic" and a showroom piece is worth nearly 6x it's original MSRP. Truly impressive for a stripped down econobox.

[underscore]

6600 miles, what a waste

[radeonboy]

We have now entered a world where a $150K CAD Integra Type R with painted mud flaps exists. Barely considered a "classic" and a showroom piece is worth nearly 6x it's original MSRP. Truly impressive for a stripped down econobox.

Remember talking to a guy back in 2015 considering selling his 30,000km IT-R in the same color for $20k, but I was still in school and couldn't afford it :(

[jing]

$112k ITR to add to their stable of an $61k AP2 and a $50k EM1. Nostalgia is a helluva drug!

[320icar]

There is a member on here with a PY ITR, he was thinking of selling to the right person. I wanted it bad but at the time it wasn’t the right move for me. 26k was expensive back then but now it’s probably worth significantly more. Single tear….

[6thGear.]

$112k ITR to add to their stable of an $61k AP2 and a $50k EM1. Nostalgia is a helluva drug!

I like most of us probably kicked ourselves not picking up an ITR when it was under $15k. I seriously contemplated getting own hoping it would drop in price even further. Obviously that didn't happen lol. Now seeing EM1 going up on price I also kick myself for not picking up a mint Electron Blue I saw for 6500 roughly 8 years? Ago. Always wanted one. Now if 97 del sol Vtec ever starts going up in value I might as well literally kick myself selling mine for $3800 in 2013

[teggy604]

I like most of us probably kicked ourselves not picking up an ITR when it was under $15k. I seriously contemplated getting own hoping it would drop in price even further. Obviously that didn't happen lol. Now seeing EM1 going up on price I also kick myself for not picking up a mint Electron Blue I saw for 6500 roughly 8 years? Ago. Always wanted one. Now if 97 del sol Vtec ever starts going up in value I might as well literally kick myself selling mine for $3800 in 2013

Pretty sure your Del Sol VTEC can fetch more than $3800 now assuming its not a POS. Those Del Sol VTEC were quite rare.

[6thGear.]

Pretty sure your Del Sol VTEC can fetch more than $3800 now assuming its not a POS. Those Del Sol VTEC were quite rare.

I've seen POS base and Si ones on CL asking $5k+. Mine wasn't a POS. Well kept but I wouldn't say it was absolutely mint. 2 previous female owners, I was the 3rd. Service records since day 1. GPB on black with gray seat stripe. It was under 190k when I picked it up. Sold it I think 230km? Assuming the guy who bought it off me still has it is a car guy and it's in good hands.

[jcmaz]

Yeah but then you'll need an indoor garage spot to park the Del Sol since the seals are probably gone by now. Plus you can't even buy the targa top seals any more, they are not in production.

[6thGear.]

That was also 1 of my reasons to sell it with only 1 parking in at my condo. Felt weird parking my then new S4 on the street and a 97 del sol in the parkade lol

[BaoTurbo]

My dealer found a new 2021 Honda Civic Type R somewhere. You won't be able to find it online cuz it's purposely set to not link up to our online platforms.

Retail price: $65,604 +tax

/fail

[teggy604]

With the 2022 CTR coming out, the unsold 2021 will drop in price. Just gotta wait.

[BIC_BAWS]

That's assuming you can even get your hands on it. New car production shortage is still a thing.

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[SumAznGuy]

That's assuming you can even get your hands on it. New car production shortage is still a thing.

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

My friend said he put down a deposit for one and the dealership told him he is in line for a 2023 car as all the 2022 cars have been allocated.
And this is after he bought 2 cars from them this year.

[Bender Unit]

My friend said he put down a deposit for one and the dealership told him he is in line for a 2023 car as all the 2022 cars have been allocated.
And this is after he bought 2 cars from them this year.

That's true
People are adopting (in BC) how to pre-order limited production cars now.
They place deposit even before the model actual announment.
It is getting too crazy and people are rich.

CTR, GR Corolla, Japanese electric cars...etc. You name it.

[twitchyzero]

sense of thrill the video conveys peepoClap

https://youtu.be/tjHjVWlkiBE?t=894

[BIC_BAWS]

I just realized, I can finally post in this thread now

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220212/4da1ad7b417596167a614ad55ec7ae50.jpg

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[Simplex123]

What a great story and they look so happy getting the car back
Them crocs tho.
http://youtu.be/5IGc28kpDD4

[rawr]

Anyone know the history of this car? https://www.audirichmond.com/vehicles/2017/honda/civic-type-r/richmond/bc/jaawjuyz3fdkxtrd/?sale_class=used

Looks like it has 2 claims for non-collision damage

[GIZZ]

I ran the vin for you through the manufacturer. Funny that Carfax says "vehicle serviced", I see the dates of the visits but no records of an oil change at any H/A dealer in Canada. He must be servicing it privately. The car has manufacturer extended warranty which is usually a good thing, but without service records it has zero powertrain value.

[rawr]

I ran the vin for you through the manufacturer. Funny that Carfax says "vehicle serviced", I see the dates of the visits but no records of an oil change at any H/A dealer in Canada. He must be servicing it privately. The car has manufacturer extended warranty which is usually a good thing, but without service records it has zero powertrain value.

Thank you! That's too bad, was thinking about pulling the trigger

[GIZZ]

carfax should show a registered shop repair? For the sake of the extended warranty, I'd get them to try to find some receipts.

Still might be worth a look as the price is right. I'd check the oil. Look for signs of sludge. Check for accident repairs, the usual stuff.

[rawr]

carfax should show a registered shop repair? For the sake of the extended warranty, I'd get them to try to find some receipts.

Still might be worth a look as the price is right. I'd check the oil. Look for signs of sludge. Check for accident repairs, the usual stuff.

Thanks again!

[jcmaz]

To be fair though, the in service date is August 21, 2017 and standard Honda power train is 5 years or 100k km. So at the end of the day, the warranty was supposed to expire in 5 months. If extended warranty is a concern for you, then you could try to find a Honda CPO unit or ask for extended warranty options.

I think it's a pretty good price for a Type R if you had to buy one today.

[GIZZ]

the original owner bought manufacturer extended warranty, its good to Aug 2024. Don't tell the dealer you know that.

I wonder why they just dropped the price from $48 to $39?

[jcmaz]

The Carfax report was ordered back in November so I think they are trying to get rid of the car, after all it's more than 90 days now

[nsx042003]

it's still high priced...17s are the ones with cooling issues right? when tracked.

[BIC_BAWS]

Anyone know the history of this car? https://www.audirichmond.com/vehicles/2017/honda/civic-type-r/richmond/bc/jaawjuyz3fdkxtrd/?sale_class=used

Looks like it has 2 claims for non-collision damage

That 17 at Audi has a $3700 theft claim tho

17 also has rust recall, pre button update, the older brake design, the slower infotainment... and its black.. no one wants black.

But that 17 has a cool story!

The black fk8 under $40k appears to be the Honda giveaway FK8. Badge 17-01585. Serviced at Campus Victoria July 2017.

Lucky guy. Financed a sport and instead they upgraded him to CTR, paid it off, also gave him the landscaping mower and snow blower package which he exchanged for a new Honda dirt bike instead. Plus all expense paid trip to Toronto. He was commuting and traded this 17 in for a Civic Si HFP. Then Campus had a 19 CW in the showroom and he traded the HFP for it and commuted in a beater. The 19 CW stayed tucked in the garage with 1900kms next to a Hellcat. Both rarely driven.

https://www.sookenewsmirror.com/news/4-millionth-customer-lawrence-keys-wins-new-car-a-trip-to-toronto-and-more/

it's still high priced...17s are the ones with cooling issues right? when tracked.

All FK8s have cooling issues when tracked - even 2020+

The facelift grill helps but like a subframe/rodbearing recall on a BMW, it doesn't solve the problem.

[Kalize]

Has anyone placed an order?
If so, which dealer and do you have the priced locked in at MSRP?

I’m looking to order one…

[GIZZ]

I don't think the dealers have pricing yet, usually a few months before the cars arrive.

[jcmaz]

I don't think the dealers have pricing yet, usually a few months before the cars arrive.

Yup so technically the order books haven't been opened yet. You are placing a deposit to order the car when you are allowed so.

Honda Canada website says that the Type R is a MY2023 so I think the books will open up in fall, that's my guess.

[rawr]

Anyone put a deposit on the upcoming CTR? What are the waitlist like?

[1241Penguin]

First post on RS! Anyone familiar with this one? I’ve been eyeing it for a few weeks now and apart from having a high ownership count, I can’t see any immediate red flags with it.

https://www.autowestbmw.com/vehicles/2017/honda/civic-type-r/richmond/bc/53936196/?sale_class=used

[trollface]

What is high owership count?

If you mean mileage it only has 10k on it a year...

[1241Penguin]

What is high owership count?

If you mean mileage it only has 10k on it a year...
Looking at the Carfax, I count 5 listed owners on it. Granted, some are probably dealerships, though still wouldn't look good for resale value. Mileage is definitely average for the age.

[teggy604]

Looking at the Carfax, I count 5 listed owners on it. Granted, some are probably dealerships, though still wouldn't look good for resale value. Mileage is definitely average for the age.

That is one new owner a year. She's been around the block that is for sure lol.

[GIZZ]

Local car, dealer serviced, about 100 days of manufacturer powertrain warranty remaining. Looks good on paper, it's worth a look.

[320icar]

Looking at the Carfax, I count 5 listed owners on it. Granted, some are probably dealerships, though still wouldn't look good for resale value. Mileage is definitely average for the age.

I don’t think dealerships show up as owners. Not a dealbreaker but why would an enthusiast car get bought and sold so much. If the dealer has any work history I’d look thru the paperwork to make sure it wasn’t a lemon

[GIZZ]

I didn't see the carfax. Does it say new owner reported? Or just registration issued or renewed?

[prudz]

I don’t think dealerships show up as owners. Not a dealbreaker but why would an enthusiast car get bought and sold so much. If the dealer has any work history I’d look thru the paperwork to make sure it wasn’t a lemon

Dealers do show up as owners. Also (side note) If someone leased a vehicle and then decides to purchase it after the lease is up that shows up as a new owner too despite it being the same person. This is due to the original owner being a manufacture and not the person making the payments.

A good way to guess if it is a dealer creating a "new owner" on carfax is if the vehicle then has another owner within 30-120 days after that "new owner". It typically indicates a dealer bought the car into their inventory and then sold it.

[tofu1413]

I don’t think dealerships show up as owners. Not a dealbreaker but why would an enthusiast car get bought and sold so much. If the dealer has any work history I’d look thru the paperwork to make sure it wasn’t a lemon

they mostly do.

Christ, my old yellow M3 showed 17 reported owners. :alone:

[radeonboy]

Dealers do show up as owners. Also (side note) If someone leased a vehicle and then decides to purchase it after the lease is up that shows up as a new owner too despite it being the same person. This is due to the original owner being a manufacture and not the person making the payments.

This happened with me with one of my CarFax reports. 3 owners listed, but it was a lease (1st owner) that was bought out by the lessee (2nd owner), then eventually traded in to the dealer (3rd owner). I became the 4th owner according to CarFax, but I see myself as the second owner.

With the Auto West Type-R, I'm guessing the car started its life as a lease, sold to OpenRoad Honda in September 2020 who wholesaled it to Coquitlam Chrysler in November 2020, then sold to a customer in December 2020. The last owner drove it until this February when it was sold to Auto West.

[nabs]

Sooo.. did you buy it? Its not listed anymore, just curious.

[OriginalJC]

https://youtu.be/MLm8-YqfHSs

[BIC_BAWS]

Looks like its running the two piece rotors. Still sounds like a vacuum cleaner tho lol

[blkgsr]

i was going to say looks like a civic expecting this was a new ITR but not bad for a civic, better than the last one

[tofu1413]

a bit smoother lines than the FK8.

looks like the rear wing may be adjustable too. a nice little evolution of the current car.

[GIZZ]

the video makes it sound like something out of star wars

[Manic!]

New Civic type R live stream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODN00DfEK-U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpSYz_2sJq4

[AzNightmare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODN00DfEK-U


2023 CTR reveal.

[AzNightmare]

New Civic type R live stream.


^ lol, got ninja'd

[Suprarz666]

Weight of it
https://www.civicxi.com/forum/attachments/2023-civic-type-r-gvwr-weight-jpg.226357/

[westopher]

Gross weight isn't curb weight.

[Badhobz]

Meh. I like the look of the old one better

[twitchyzero]

designed & assembled in japan :tears:

[Badhobz]

Until the boys in WWL get a hold of it to install the gps, rear wing and other Knick knacks.

[JDMDreams]

Looks way better than the current one, much more refined and doesn't have the stupid fake diffuser air outlet in the rear bumper, I like the widebody look


https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/12495129/very-nice-how-much.jpg

[Manic!]

Looks better than the older one. Who has a pre order in?

[BIC_BAWS]

Front bumper vents are fake btw

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[rawr]

Got my deposit in 3 months ago @ surrey honda, #5 on the waitlist

[68style]

I like that it’s toned down, but I dislike cars that have bigger front ends than backends. That styling trend really bothers me aesthetically… I like it more than the previous one in sections, but as an entire car no.

[BIC_BAWS]

https://youtu.be/l9IUEpdSZzM

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[BIC_BAWS]

Red carpet and the gauge in R mode has got to be my favorite. I also like how much information it gives you in R mode. I find in the FK8 it doesn't give you enough information.

It also has an oil pressure gauge this time!

I like how it's more upscale. My complaint with the FK8 is that the materials used are worse than my 9th gen civic touring and features are worse than my e36.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220721/6cdebc55e44d9517d809546da9ca3bc7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220721/e8d6617c170ed5917d8bdb7c2c5b23d4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220721/dc9add7e55ba0d1323ccbd1525c97965.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220721/7b672afd9787078f36f2759c290db644.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220721/64bfcda667335f43f5deab215ba48a66.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220721/76ec83295fdeac00a779bbdabf5b50a0.jpg


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220721/16b7cbdf93b775ab5dde59786b6b7fc4.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220721/e0721b6f31d10622ae350c92cb45fb05.jpg

[roastpuff]

Gross weight isn't curb weight.

Look slightly to the left, the load sticker is there. 680lbs/308kg payload. Therefore 3968 - 680 = 3288lbs curb weight!

[68style]

It gained 160lbs!

[roastpuff]

It gained 160lbs!

I blame COVID :drunk:

[rawr]

3D configurator - you can test all the different colours

https://www.honda.co.jp/CIVICTYPE-R/configurator/

sonic grey still looks the best

[radeonboy]

I still like FK8's exterior more, but the interior is a huge upgrade in this new one. That red carpet is dope.

It's great that we now have both this and the GR Corolla from Japan. Wonder what Honda Canada will price this at...

[westopher]

3288 is still pretty low by modern standards.
M2 is like 3600 and that’s a small car. The type R is a couple meals over an e36 m3 which people regard as a light, engaging old car.

[Badhobz]

ITR makes a lot of sense for a revival. Although it'll probably eat into the Civic Type R sales.

[OriginalJC]

I've had my deposit in for a few months. Happy with the changes and improvements they made over the FK8. Loved my FK8, and this will be a nice replacement.

[tofu1413]

now we wait for Canadian MSRP.

in line at Surrey Honda as well! #7 supposedly and left the deposit last month.

Looks like a Mature take on the FK8 (which I wasnt a huge fan of the way it looked) and the cleaner softer lines reflect the FD2 and prior CTR's (which I'm a fan of)

[!Aznboi128]

Unpopular opinion: if they came out with an auto version it would open the doors for a lot more people.

[BIC_BAWS]

If they paired it with a ZF8, it would probably be pretty good. Unfortunately, Honda only makes better-than-Nissan CVTs and their autos were nothing to write home about.

[radeonboy]

I've had my deposit in for a few months. Happy with the changes and improvements they made over the FK8. Loved my FK8, and this will be a nice replacement.

now we wait for Canadian MSRP.

in line at Surrey Honda as well! #7 supposedly and left the deposit last month.

How reliable are these placements in line with deposits for in-demand cars like this? Like is it more or less based on an honor system?

[Edison_Chen]

I also have two deposits at 2 dealers from April.

I called a dealer on Island to tried my luck there. They said nobody put down deposits at the time and they will sell the car for MSRP + fees/taxes. They will not charge any extra dealer add-ons, unless I wanted them. I sent the sales person an email about 2 weeks ago and this was his response:

"We are aware of the limited supply of Type R and we hope to get two. We have deposits on two and we are very optimistic you will get your Type R. I will let you know the minute I have any additional information for you. Please do not hesitate to call me to discuss. The good news is this will make the Type R very rare and probably more valuable."

I'm taking this with a grain of salt as no information has been confirmed yet.


My other deposit is at a dealer in the Lower Mainland. They are charging extra $3800 worth add-ons on the vehicle. I'll probably plan to get my $500 deposit back or maybe get somebody to take over my spot and get my $500 back.

I hope there’s enough to go around.

[bcrdukes]

Unpopular opinion: if they came out with an auto version it would open the doors for a lot more people.

Not necessarily unpopular but truth of the matter is that people who want to take this car to the track and hit some sweet lap times, this is the way to go. Transmission technology has come a long way.

[JDMDreams]

Rs ballers throwing deposits in at the beginning of the recession with open cheque book pricing.

[68style]

:troll:

https://i.imgur.com/YhxVrH0.jpg

[EvoFire]

If they paired it with a ZF8, it would probably be pretty good. Unfortunately, Honda only makes better-than-Nissan CVTs and their autos were nothing to write home about.

I thought the ZF8 is RWD only. I can't think of any good FWD trannies other than VW and Hyundai's dual clutches right now. Everything else is average or kind of sucks.

BMW/Mini uses Aisin 8sp for their FWD stuff, it sucks.

[OriginalJC]

Y'all might want to double check your spot on the waitlist at Surrey Honda. When I put my deposit down in April, I was #4. I emailed today and got a response that I'm now at #10 :suspicious:

[radeonboy]

Y'all might want to double check your spot on the waitlist at Surrey Honda. When I put my deposit down in April, I was #4. I emailed today and got a response that I'm now at #10 :suspicious:

Sounds like dealers doing dealer things. I placed a deposit on a GR Corolla last summer and they gave me my position in line, but since I have no prior business with them they can easily bump my position down and prioritize VIPs without me knowing.

With limited releases like the CTR and GR Corolla I wish the waitlists are managed at the manufacturer level to keep things fair, but they won't care since they're selling every allocation that's coming (barring a crazy recession).

[OriginalJC]

I’ve bought 3 Honda’s from Surrey Honda, including the FK8 ��

[pherio]

Buddy says there's a 4 year waiting list with the deposits they already have at Surrey Honda.

[68style]

No problem get the watch for $2k instead

https://www.motortrend.com/news/honda-civic-type-r-seiko-astron-watch/

[OriginalJC]

Buddy says there's a 4 year waiting list with the deposits they already have at Surrey Honda.

With only a 3 year model run

[Badhobz]

No problem get the watch for $2k instead

https://www.motortrend.com/news/honda-civic-type-r-seiko-astron-watch/

this is a great deal, everyone should grab one of these if you have the Type R. My buddy's is300 also had a watch available to purchase and those watches are worth quite a fortune now (i think like 2-3k?)

https://di2ponv0v5otw.cloudfront.net/posts/2020/01/20/5e25edc3138e1839bba017a1/m_5e25ee1879df27323b8ee255.jpg

[tofu1413]

With only a 3 year model run

Same. Was told 3 year run only.

[AzNightmare]

What's with all these cars being treated like they're supercars or something.

So dumb..

[68style]

All manufacturers can act like Richmond dealerships have been for years now...

Try to ask for anything or demand anything... fuck you, someone else will walk up with a suitcase of cash...

It's pretty brutal. I know my buddy is trying to grab a GT3 in Alberta and the sales guy literally laughed at him on the phone told him if he doesn't have another GT car forget it. Yah okay sure, but what's with the arrogance... it's still customer with a 1/4 million dollars+++ he wants to spend on your product asshole. Figure something out.

They'll be the first ones crying when things dry up saying there's no more business. You never want to piss people off to the point they won't buy from you anymore just on principle.

[Badhobz]

Much like the luxury watch market, if you want to skip the wait go straight to Germany and buy it. Pretty sure you don’t need a purchase history to get that gt3. You just need a friend who speaks German and can talk efficiently with the Porsche dealer.

https://russianvagabond.com/can-a-foreigner-buy-a-car-in-germany/#:~:text=A%20foreigner%20can%20buy%20a,car%20plate s%2C%20and%20vehicle%20tax.

[TOS'd]

Some cool renders:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cguxe2Opvdl/

[AzNightmare]

https://scontent.fcxh3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299858032_10158554032726319_6466157308252086077_n. jpg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=p89XvXKz48sAX_fo927&_nc_ht=scontent.fcxh3-1.fna&oh=00_AT8gUIV9OgCTOIUlFiX0XLtx32V-egoVcHoYRQApzluTaA&oe=6304C163

https://scontent.fcxh3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/298956539_10158554032586319_1404506293523504995_n. jpg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ToAuycBV9E8AX-KPvEi&_nc_ht=scontent.fcxh3-1.fna&oh=00_AT8H7KLjmXdXs5pBLAClDsA_rpOWOXxfwW-XOiBaNRcdjg&oe=6304CB4D

[twitchyzero]

Almost like the old one was done by mugen and new one by spoon
those exhaust tips look like itbs

[westopher]

One is so over the top and one is pretty plain. Maybe the next gen will be perfect?

[Badhobz]

i still think the old one looks better. it has wayyy more presence and its authentically japanese in the styling department (looks like a gundam)

The new one is so bland. Looks like they just added a wing to a civic LX

[westopher]

I’ve seen modded ones I quite like. Cho’s car and lonnngs old car are both awesome. The car is way too aggressive for stock wheels and stance and all that though imo.
I think the new one will be pretty good with some tweaks. I’m still just here for the DC2 though.

[tegra7]

New one looks quite a bit smaller

[radeonboy]

The old one looks cooler but the new one looks more cohesive. The interior on the new one is a huge upgrade though.

[Badhobz]

That new wing looks like an afterthought. Yarg. Why Honda why.

[320icar]

I’ll wait til I see one in person. But I’m so jealous of Honda/Acura headlights… ford sucks

[AzNightmare]

That new wing looks like an afterthought. Yarg. Why Honda why.


It looks like an aftermarket tacked on GT wing. And I also hate the modern trend of just making the wing entirely black. At least the 10th gen, the sides were body colour, and only the middle part was black.

If you look at the first pic I posted where you see the cars from the front, the black wing is basically camouflaged into the black car behind. It's all about silhouettes. Under any dark backdrop, the wing is going to "disappear" and it'll look like the car has no wing.

[twitchyzero]

If you look at the first pic I posted where you see the cars from the front, the black wing is basically camouflaged into the black car behind. It's all about silhouettes. Under any dark backdrop, the wing is going to "disappear" and it'll look like the car has no wing.

seems like a good thing!

otherwise this will continue

https://car-images.bauersecure.com/wp-images/10592/00007d3b05e1-bdc8-44cd-8.jpg

[BIC_BAWS]

If you look at the first pic I posted where you see the cars from the front, the black wing is basically camouflaged into the black car behind. It's all about silhouettes. Under any dark backdrop, the wing is going to "disappear" and it'll look like the car has no wing.

Under regular driving conditions, if you're following a FK8 from behind, it's pretty hard to see that it has a wing as well.

[AzNightmare]

Under regular driving conditions, if you're following a FK8 from behind, it's pretty hard to see that it has a wing as well.

I don't mind the wing being black in the middle portion as much. From the rear, it doesn't really affect the outline whether it's seen or not. It's black on black, where glass on a car usually looks darker under most conditions, esp with tint.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WXgAAOSw3b9cdJ7G/s-l640.jpg

I can elaborate a bit more on why I hate that trend of just making things black (in a poor attempt to make things look more "sporty").


It's to do with positive and negative space. When you look at an object and try to make out the outline of the shape, you're looking for positive space. The wing stands out and that vortex generator at the roof line stands out. The overall shape doesn't get "lost". Grills and vents being black is fine, because they emulate openings. If anything, those are negative spaces that help bring out the overall features of a car.
https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/2019-honda-civic-type-r-side-view-carbuzz-410953.jpg

Many hot hatches are doing the black wing thing, and Veloster N is one of the worst culprits that go beyond just the wing. You look at this and it looks like the rear bumper is missing when your eyes try pick up the outline. I like to do something I call the "squint test", where I squint until my vision gets blurry. Most of the blacked out areas will lose it's "detail" and what you're left is really the outline of a car. Often when a car is cruising by, the outline is really what your eyes is going to pick up. I think this effect can also work when you just simply reduce an image to a thumbnail size. Cars like the FK8 won't really be affected because the areas that should be positive spaces aren't blacked out.
https://cdn-ds.com/blogs-media/sites/431/2021/11/03053508/2022-Hyundai-Veloster-N-Side-View_o.jpg

and lol, Elantra N. It's not so much that the bumper is actually that ugly... it's the fact they made the entire thing "black" so it looks like a huge hole. The Elantra N in the background is out of focus so it's a bit blurry, but holy, the front bumper doesn't look like it just has an opening in it. It looks like the entire thing is an opening.
https://www.autoguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2022-Hyundai-Elantra-N-Kona-N-Track-Event-Featured.jpg

For comparison, the mid tier Elantra N Line has a very similar bumper, but it's not all blacked out and it looks a lot better. The bumper really is basically 95% the same design, with only the difference of where they "strategically" black out or leave body matched coloured. Simply the power of colour, can make such a drastic change.
https://static.carindigo.com/images/car/Hyundai/old_Hyundai_Elantra_2022_Sedan_6180f3aecf374.jpg

Because black things look like holes or void spaces, black should be more cautiously used from a design aspect imo... otherwise it just gives the illusion things are missing or there's holes in areas that shouldn't be.

It's basically why the new WRX looks so nasty. The whole blacked out cladding area makes the wheel well look a lot bigger than they really are, and at a weird polygonal shape like someone ghetto hacksawed the wheel arches. The whole car looks lifted because there's just way too much black surrounding the tires. Try the "squint test" on this one.
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/l9PL6/s3/2022-subaru-wrx.jpg

Body painted wheel arch WRX to the rescue:
https://i.imgur.com/4HKdEtS.jpg

[EvoFire]

I don't mind the wing being black in the middle portion as much. From the rear, it doesn't really affect the outline whether it's seen or not. It's black on black, where glass on a car usually looks darker under most conditions, esp with tint.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WXgAAOSw3b9cdJ7G/s-l640.jpg

I can elaborate a bit more on why I hate that trend of just making things black (in a poor attempt to make things look more "sporty").


It's to do with positive and negative space. When you look at an object and try to make out the outline of the shape, you're looking for positive space. The wing stands out and that vortex generator at the roof line stands out. The overall shape doesn't get "lost". Grills and vents being black is fine, because they emulate openings. If anything, those are negative spaces that help bring out the overall features of a car.
https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/2019-honda-civic-type-r-side-view-carbuzz-410953.jpg

Many hot hatches are doing the black wing thing, and Veloster N is one of the worst culprits that go beyond just the wing. You look at this and it looks like the rear bumper is missing when your eyes try pick up the outline. I like to do something I call the "squint test", where I squint until my vision gets blurry. Most of the blacked out areas will lose it's "detail" and what you're left is really the outline of a car. Often when a car is cruising by, the outline is really what your eyes is going to pick up. I think this effect can also work when you just simply reduce an image to a thumbnail size. Cars like the FK8 won't really be affected because the areas that should be positive spaces aren't blacked out.
https://cdn-ds.com/blogs-media/sites/431/2021/11/03053508/2022-Hyundai-Veloster-N-Side-View_o.jpg

and lol, Elantra N. It's not so much that the bumper is actually that ugly... it's the fact they made the entire thing "black" so it looks like a huge hole. The Elantra N in the background is out of focus so it's a bit blurry, but holy, the front bumper doesn't look like it just has an opening in it. It looks like the entire thing is an opening.
https://www.autoguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2022-Hyundai-Elantra-N-Kona-N-Track-Event-Featured.jpg

For comparison, the mid tier Elantra N Line has a very similar bumper, but it's not all blacked out and it looks a lot better. The bumper really is basically 95% the same design, with only the difference of where they "strategically" black out or leave body matched coloured. Simply the power of colour, can make such a drastic change.
https://static.carindigo.com/images/car/Hyundai/old_Hyundai_Elantra_2022_Sedan_6180f3aecf374.jpg

Because black things look like holes or void spaces, black should be more cautiously used from a design aspect imo... otherwise it just gives the illusion things are missing or there's holes in areas that shouldn't be.

It's basically why the new WRX looks so nasty. The whole blacked out cladding area makes the wheel well look a lot bigger than they really are, and at a weird polygonal shape like someone ghetto hacksawed the wheel arches. The whole car looks lifted because there's just way too much black surrounding the tires. Try the "squint test" on this one.
https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/l9PL6/s3/2022-subaru-wrx.jpg

Body painted wheel arch WRX to the rescue:
https://i.imgur.com/4HKdEtS.jpg



Overall agree with your analysis, except the WRX still looks like poo with painted arches

[BIC_BAWS]

Thanks for the detail response - it was very informative!