[bobbinka]

now lets see which contract he's able to offload to sign the remaining guys.

[Hondaracer]

All things equal I think I like Tanev more than Schmidt but given the circumstances and tanevs inability to stay healthy seems like a decent pickup

[spoon.ek9]

little trip down memory lane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xitRgvfs3L8&ab_channel=SPORTSNET

welcome to the team Nate lol

[Obsideon]

I’m trying to look at the positives of all these moves (or non-moves rather) but why couldn’t we keep a top-6 winger in Toffoli at 4.5m when we signed all those 4th line plugs at 3m last year?

[Sw0op]

if they had bought out Sutter and let Virtanen go they could have but damn who would have thought Tofu went for just a 4.25M AAV

[JesseBlue]

Jimbo took the long weekend off.

[68style]

I would have let Virtanen go i think... only produces when he’s in the top 6 but not actually good enough to play there.

He’s like Goldobin but bigger and faster (although less vision). Just as dumb with decision making and not hard working when it doesn’t suit him.

[bobbinka]

I’m trying to look at the positives of all these moves (or non-moves rather) but why couldn’t we keep a top-6 winger in Toffoli at 4.5m when we signed all those 4th line plugs at 3m last year?

-Because that was the prior year
-Because Toffoli was brought in as a rental player when Boeser was injured
-Because at the time Toffoli was brought in, there was no way we could've kept him without offloading contracts anyway
-Because COVID/flat cap has changed how much players can get paid, can't really compare

Back then, the team wasn't where the team is now. Hughes has taken the team a huge step forward, more than anyone could have imagined. You couldn't have known that when you signed Beagle/Roussel in 2018 and got Sutter in 2016. All of them have contracts that end the year of, or the year after, EP and QH finish their entry level contracts.

People are so hung up on the Beagle/Roussel contracts, but even if they had been $2mil/yr instead of $3, that extra $2mil saved per year isn't a game changer. And if you had given less term, they may not have come to us. Benning specifically acquired players to teach the kids how to play the right way. He's said before that he'd rather have them learn to play right, even if it means not scoring as many points.

The bigger issue is the $6mil tied up in Loui. Not only is he eating up the cap, but he's also being scratched. So, we can't use the cap to acquire an impact player, and he can't even be utilized on the ice to help the team. But to be fair, I don't think anyone could have anticipated how big of a flop he'd be.

IMO, we weren't supposed to do this good this year, but QH and Markstrom took us to the next level. If things had gone the way it was anticipated, I think Tanev would've been traded at the deadline to get back some assets.

I would have let Virtanen go i think... only produces when he’s in the top 6 but not actually good enough to play there.

He’s like Goldobin but bigger and faster (although less vision). Just as dumb with decision making and not hard working when it doesn’t suit him.

Jake can still be traded even after being awarded a contract in arbitration. He scored 18 goals last year and has the tools to do even better. Whether he does or not is a different question, but letting him walk for nothing is probably not so smart. Someone will be willing to trade for him.

[68style]

I agree it's tough to let him walk... but I think you're overestimating his trade value. If you were reading the Athletic's articles during the playoffs the comments directed at him on the ice from other teams were basically that he's regarded as a bit of a joke player.

Letting him go would have allowed Toffoli to stay............... in essence, you're "trading" for Toffoli. I'd take that trade at this point. I don't think he's going to put it together, he's been given a longer leash than anyone I can ever remember on this team and has played what 5 seasons now? If he hasn't figured it out at this point he's never going to.

[6thGear.]

Given what has happened with Tanev and Stetcher and not landing OEL, filling the top 4 d spot is a lot more important than getting Toffoli back. Just hope Schmidt doesn't turn into a flop.

[68style]

I kind of disagree, a lot of the sting of Stech leaving depends on how Juolevi comes in... I believe the 5th spot is his for the taking at this point, like he'd have to fuck up gloriously to lose it.

Assuming he is capable of it, right now we have:

Hughes / Schmidt
Edler / Myers
Juolevi / Fantenberg (assuming he re-signs) / Benn / Chatfield / Rafferty probably in that pecking order

Our scoring is really suspect though past the first line....... back in another bind where Horvat is stuck with Pearson and ??? (was Boeser, but he's going back to the first line again with Toffoli gone) and quite frankly Pearson just doesn't cut it (at least for me, you might differ).

[highfive]

I agree that beagle and roussels contract isn’t that bad. Hell. Luongo recapture is more than their cap hits.

But our backend needs to be worked on. Look at the playoffs how Vegas can just skate in and outshot is. Same with the blues series.

Myers edler and Hughes are staying but if we bring stech and Tanev back it’s gonna be the same group of guys.

Having schmidt now, it gives us another puck movers. Look at Dallas and how their D was able to beat out Vegas.

[Jmac]

How anyone can compare Beagle and Roussel on the same level is mind-blowing. Roussel has been one of the best even-strength performers on the team since he was signed. Beagle has played well below his cap hit and that was supposed to be the good half of it; we’re now entering the bad half. The only similarity is their contract.

[68style]

I agree I have zero problem with Roussel although post injury he hasn’t been quite the same.

Beagle and Eriksson are the deathblows for me... like how do they even walk around in the dressing room without feeling the eyes from everyone “YOU two are preventing us from making the next step” hahaha

[RiceIntegraRS]

Just read Vegas HF boards, they are soo pissed they gave away a legit top4 Dman for peanuts and Canuck HF boards seem to think we just robbed them blind. Think of Ehrhoff 2.0 all over again. If Demko plays anything close to Markstrom level, and Schmidt comes as advertised. We may have come out of this Free Agency not as bad as people originally thought. As of now the only thing I'm pissed about is that we couldnt give away Sutter +sweetener so we would have the cap space to re-sign Toffoli

[whitev70r]

Marleau back to San Jose for a one year contract ... WHY??!!

[SumAznGuy]

Just read Vegas HF boards, they are soo pissed they gave away a legit top4 Dman for peanuts and Canuck HF boards seem to think we just robbed them blind. Think of Ehrhoff 2.0 all over again. If Demko plays anything close to Markstrom level, and Schmidt comes as advertised. We may have come out of this Free Agency not as bad as people originally thought. As of now the only thing I'm pissed about is that we couldnt give away Sutter +sweetener so we would have the cap space to re-sign Toffoli

It's sad to see Tofffoli walk away and lose what we gave in the trade but I think the Canucks hands are tied. We have too much money tied up in "bad" contracts. Having the restraint from keeping Toffolli puts the Canucks in a better spot financially.

I like the Schimdt trade. Tanev was always a blocked shot/hit away from the IR. Love his play but very risky.

Overall, I like how GMJB didn't go crazy. Look at the deals he's made. Look at the current cap situation. End of the next season Edler's $6M is off the books. A few more contracts come off the books. Then one more season and a ton of $$$ come off the books including Ericcson's $6M and Luongo's $3M recapture.
I think JB is doing a cap rebuild and setting themselves up better for a few years down teh road.

[Jmac]

Marleau back to San Jose for a one year contract ... WHY??!!
45 games away from Gordie Howe’s games played record.

[RiceIntegraRS]

45 games away from Gordie Howe’s games played record.

Its one of those All time stats that shoulnt be passed, not by Marleau anyways

[whitev70r]

45 games away from Gordie Howe’s games played record.

No, why would San Jose have him back? Not why Marleau would play another year to try for record.

[mickz]

No, why would San Jose have him back? Not why Marleau would play another year to try for record.

To trade him again at the deadline.

[bobbinka]

To trade him again at the deadline.

lol

[Jmac]

No, why would San Jose have him back? Not why Marleau would play another year to try for record.
He has a long-standing friendly relationship with the GM who has been his GM for 15 of the past 17 years.

[whitev70r]

He has a long-standing friendly relationship with the GM who has been his GM for 15 of the past 17 years.

Maybe Marleau might make a decent executive one day? Could have brought him into the management team. But I hear he's got quite the work ethic so maybe he can also mentor some of the younger players ... but still, it's a roster spot.

[spoon.ek9]

It's sad to see Tofffoli walk away and lose what we gave in the trade but I think the Canucks hands are tied. We have too much money tied up in "bad" contracts. Having the restraint from keeping Toffolli puts the Canucks in a better spot financially.

I like the Schimdt trade. Tanev was always a blocked shot/hit away from the IR. Love his play but very risky.

Overall, I like how GMJB didn't go crazy. Look at the deals he's made. Look at the current cap situation. End of the next season Edler's $6M is off the books. A few more contracts come off the books. Then one more season and a ton of $$$ come off the books including Ericcson's $6M and Luongo's $3M recapture.
I think JB is doing a cap rebuild and setting themselves up better for a few years down teh road.

I'm trying my best to be objective here and I think I agree. Benning has learned that he's been burned multiple times with Free Agency signings. Honestly, the plan could be to just survive next season, get rid of a bunch of contracts and go from there. If we can put up with a bad season and bounce back immediately, that could be the best for us.

[whitev70r]

^ do you mean two steps forward and three steps back ... don't know if this fanbase can handle another shitty season. Somebody else said it, the success this year is a kind of curse in disguise. Normally, you'd expect a young rebuilding team to do better and go deeper the following year, which in this case means, get passed 2nd round in the playoffs .... not be eligible for the top pick next year!

[spoon.ek9]

Progress in the NHL isn't always linear. I know our fanbase can be especially fickle but it isn't up to us what happens to this team. In this scenario, we are heavily handcuffed by bad contracts so until we shed them, we can't keep shooting ourselves in the foot expecting it to not continue to burn us. I'd much rather suffer for a year than risk not being able to afford the trio of petey, hughes and demko.

[Obsideon]

Random thought: Even now, would you rather have Loui or Lucic?
I'm partial to Lucic even though both are on albatross contracts. Watching Loui float around is frustrating. At least a heavier pylon would disrupt the ice more.

[Jmac]

The issue is that we’re going to end up paying Hughes and Pettersson guessing somewhere in the ballpark of $16-$18M up from the current $2.XM (depending on bonuses), not to mention Demko will be RFA, so even losing Edler ($6M), Sutter ($4.375M), Pearson ($3.75M), Baertschi ($3.367M), Benn ($2M), and Spooner’s buyout ($1.033M) and replacing them with league minimum players ($0.75M/each) only gains us around $2.8M in cap space (assuming $16.X for Pettersson and Hughes combined) plus any gains (if any) from the cap going up (if it goes up).

If the Canucks were going to make a run, this year would be the year. Instead we’re trying to stay afloat.

[Jmac]

Random thought: Even now, would you rather have Loui or Lucic?
I'm partial to Lucic even though both are on albatross contracts. Watching Loui float around is frustrating. At least a heavier pylon would disrupt the ice more.
100% Loui. Loui can be exposed to Seattle, Lucic has to be protected.

[bobbinka]

There's also the possibility of bridge deals. The impact of COVID will go beyond this upcoming season. How long will it take to get people back in seats? Will arenas even be allowed to operate at full capacity? Will there even be a season?

If the cap isn't expected to increase at the rate it was before (in the short term), it may be in the players' interest to take bridge deals. If they all take bridge deals, then I think that timeframe would be our window to win.

[Sw0op]

The issue is that we’re going to end up paying Hughes and Pettersson guessing somewhere in the ballpark of $16-$18M up from the current $2.XM (depending on bonuses), not to mention Demko will be RFA, so even losing Edler ($6M), Sutter ($4.375M), Pearson ($3.75M), Baertschi ($3.367M), Benn ($2M), and Spooner’s buyout ($1.033M) and replacing them with league minimum players ($0.75M/each) only gains us around $2.8M in cap space (assuming $16.X for Pettersson and Hughes combined) plus any gains (if any) from the cap going up (if it goes up).

If the Canucks were going to make a run, this year would be the year. Instead we’re trying to stay afloat.

yea it sucks we should be taking advantage of their exceptional value...performance relative to contract. I think JB knows this and thats why we're so active. I don't think he's gonna sit back and let the season go by...all the rumors indicate he's activity and aggressively shopping..wouldnt be surprised if he lands one more trade

having a league minimum play on the squad the year after is kind of expected...and they already have 2 players they are hoping would make the team...their last names are Podkolzin and Hoglander...also keep in mind Tryamkin may be coming back too (although not sure what his AAV would be...could be low and short term on a "show me" deal)

i'd say we're in a strong position here...you can see the Covid situation has changed the marketplace...prior to this Petey/Hughes may be commanding 18-20M but not anymore...plus there's significant money coming off the books in 2 years and if the market stays like this there could be some further deals to extrapolate...sucks to be TML...they got some high fliers but the 6 high fliers command ~65% of this "flat cap" for the next 4 years

[Jmac]

There's also the possibility of bridge deals. The impact of COVID will go beyond this upcoming season. How long will it take to get people back in seats? Will arenas even be allowed to operate at full capacity? Will there even be a season?

If the cap isn't expected to increase at the rate it was before (in the short term), it may be in the players' interest to take bridge deals. If they all take bridge deals, then I think that timeframe would be our window to win.
I had a big long post detailing this but I lost power when I was like 99% finished, so cell phone summary version it is.

There are 3 players reasonably comparable players coming off ELCs for Pettersson who signed bridge deals. Point at 3 x $6.75M, DeBrincat at 3 x $6.4M, and Boeser at 3 x $5.875M. Point coming off a 41-51-92 season, DeBrincat off a 41-35-76 season, and we know Pettersson is significantly better than Boeser (Boeser also didn’t have offer sheet rights while the other two and Pettersson did/will).

Assuming Pettersson is willing to accept a bridge and doesn’t force Benning’s hand with an offer sheet, you can probably safely assume it would be in the $6.5M-$7.0M range.

For dmen, well, there are no high-end dmen who signed bridge deals coming off their ELCs on CapFriendly. Closest is Sanheim at 2 x $3.25M but I wouldn’t say he’s even close to Hughes. The closest two are Provorov and Chabot with Chabot being the closer of the two in terms of play style and offensive production. Chabot signed an 8 x $8M extension coming off a 14-41-55 season over 70 games. His RFA years pay him $26M over 4 years which is $6.5M average.

He had offer sheet rights where Hughes does not, so maybe you get a bit of a discount for that (this assumes Hughes doesn’t improve this year), so I would say my expectation would be $6.0M-$6.5M on a bridge for Hughes.

Combined, you’re looking at around $13M on bridge deals.

[Jmac]

yea it sucks we should be taking advantage of their exceptional value...performance relative to contract. I think JB knows this and thats why we're so active. I don't think he's gonna sit back and let the season go by...all the rumors indicate he's activity and aggressively shopping..wouldnt be surprised if he lands one more trade

having a league minimum play on the squad the year after is kind of expected...and they already have 2 players they are hoping would make the team...their last names are Podkolzin and Hoglander...also keep in mind Tryamkin may be coming back too (although not sure what his AAV would be...could be low and short term on a "show me" deal)

i'd say we're in a strong position here...you can see the Covid situation has changed the marketplace...prior to this Petey/Hughes may be commanding 18-20M but not anymore...plus there's significant money coming off the books in 2 years and if the market stays like this there could be some further deals to extrapolate...sucks to be TML...they got some high fliers but the 6 high fliers command ~65% of this "flat cap" for the next 4 years
Podkolzin won’t get league minimum, it’ll be ELC maximum plus performance bonuses. Hoglander is already at $0.892M plus performance bonuses.

Tryamkin will be UFA next summer, he can sign anywhere. I’d put the odds of signing in Vancouver at close to 0%.

[Sw0op]

Podkolzin won’t get league minimum, it’ll be ELC maximum plus performance bonuses. Hoglander is already at $0.892M plus performance bonuses.

Tryamkin will be UFA next summer, he can sign anywhere. I’d put the odds of signing in Vancouver at close to 0%.

Performance bonuses are applied the year after like Petey/Hughes..so if they play next year, their bonuses are applied the year after when LE/Luongo hits are off
Instead of league minimum of $750k they'll be at ELC contracts @ $925k for the year with bonuses applied the following year

Tryamkin is UFA in 2022....unless theyve changed the definition a player is UFA when he is 27 years of age as of "June 30th" and that wont be until 2022...so he's still our property if he wants to play the 2021-2022 season

[Sw0op]

I had a big long post detailing this but I lost power when I was like 99% finished, so cell phone summary version it is.

There are 3 players reasonably comparable players coming off ELCs for Pettersson who signed bridge deals. Point at 3 x $6.75M, DeBrincat at 3 x $6.4M, and Boeser at 3 x $5.875M. Point coming off a 41-51-92 season, DeBrincat off a 41-35-76 season, and we know Pettersson is significantly better than Boeser (Boeser also didn’t have offer sheet rights while the other two and Pettersson did/will).

Assuming Pettersson is willing to accept a bridge and doesn’t force Benning’s hand with an offer sheet, you can probably safely assume it would be in the $6.5M-$7.0M range.

For dmen, well, there are no high-end dmen who signed bridge deals coming off their ELCs on CapFriendly. Closest is Sanheim at 2 x $3.25M but I wouldn’t say he’s even close to Hughes. The closest two are Provorov and Chabot with Chabot being the closer of the two in terms of play style and offensive production. Chabot signed an 8 x $8M extension coming off a 14-41-55 season over 70 games. His RFA years pay him $26M over 4 years which is $6.5M average.

He had offer sheet rights where Hughes does not, so maybe you get a bit of a discount for that (this assumes Hughes doesn’t improve this year), so I would say my expectation would be $6.0M-$6.5M on a bridge for Hughes.

Combined, you’re looking at around $13M on bridge deals.

closest bridge D would probably be Subban @ 2Y/5.75M AAV but that was like 8 years ago with the cap was rising to ~$70M + a lockout shortened season too...and Huggy is better than Sub..but thats probably the floor?

[Jmac]

closest bridge D would probably be Subban @ 2Y/5.75M AAV but that was like 8 years ago with the cap was rising to ~$70M + a lockout shortened season too...and Huggy is better than Sub..but thats probably the floor?
Subban also was less than 4 months away from turning 24.

[Jmac]

Performance bonuses are applied the year after like Petey/Hughes..so if they play next year, their bonuses are applied the year after when LE/Luongo hits are off
Instead of league minimum of $750k they'll be at ELC contracts @ $925k for the year with bonuses applied the following year

Tryamkin is UFA in 2022....unless theyve changed the definition a player is UFA when he is 27 years of age as of "June 30th" and that wont be until 2022...so he's still our property if he wants to play the 2021-2022 seasonBonuses can be deferred to the following season but that also means bonuses from the upcoming year can (probably will) be deferred to next year, too (e.g. Pettersson’s and Hughes’ bonuses).

Tryamkin will be UFA as he didn’t play the required number of games to still be an RFA at age 26.

He will be a group 6 UFA because he only has 79 NHL games (80 and he would still be an RFA at the end of this season).

Group 6 Free Agents.
(i) Means any Player who is age 25 or older who has completed three (3) or more professional seasons, whose SPC has expired and: (i) in the case of a Player other than a goaltender, has played less than 80 NHL Games, or (ii) in the case of a goaltender, has played less than 28 NHL Games (for the purpose of this definition, a goaltender must have played a minimum of thirty (30) minutes in an NHL Game to register a game played). For the purposes of the foregoing, the term professional season shall: (A) for a Player aged 18 or 19, mean any season in which such Player plays in eleven (11) or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC), and (B) for a Player aged 20 or older, mean any season in which such Player plays in one or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC).
(ii) Any Group 6 Player shall, at the expiration of his SPC, become an Unrestricted Free Agent and shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with such Player, without penalty or restriction, or being subject to any Right of First Refusal, Draft Choice Compensation or any other compensation or equalization obligation of any kind.

[Sw0op]

Bonuses can be deferred to the following season but that also means bonuses from the upcoming year can (probably will) be deferred to next year, too (e.g. Pettersson’s and Hughes’ bonuses).

Tryamkin will be UFA as he didn’t play the required number of games to still be an RFA at age 26.

He will be a group 6 UFA because he only has 79 NHL games (80 and he would still be an RFA at the end of this season).

based on that definition shouldnt Tryamkin have been a UFA this offseason then?

By June 30, 2020 he was 25 years old and played 3+ professional seasons with <80 NHL games

everywhere i read it shows Nucks have his rights until end of 21-22 season and also an expansion exempt player in the Seattle expansion draft

[Jmac]

based on that definition shouldnt he have been a UFA this offseason then?

By June 30, 2020 he was 25 years old and played 3+ professional seasons with <80 NHL games

everywhere i read it shows Nucks have his rights until end of 21-22 season and also an expansion exempt player in the Seattle expansion draft
I don’t have an explanation for that. The only things I can think of is that they’re wrong, there’s something new in the MoU the NHLPA & NHL agreed on recently, he counts as a defected player, or some other bizarre corner-case definition prevents him from being a UFA (the CBA is like 540 pages of lawyer-speak).

[bobbinka]

lol

https://i.redd.it/uy3qrejwmbt51.jpg

Also, apparently Vegas was the one that initiated the Schmidt trade with us and suggested the 3rd round pick. They gave him to us to do the player a solid. Other teams didn't even have a chance to make offers.

[roastpuff]

They just don't want Demko to boom them again.

[bobbinka]

wow, Joe Thornton with Leafs at $700k

[68style]

Thornton as great a career as he’s had... has just never been a winner in the NHL... doubt he’s going to bring out the best in Matthews or Marner either

[whitev70r]

If at first you don't succeed (Marleau), then you try again (Thornton).

This move shouts: Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander ... you all need a veteran in the locker room to kick your gen Z ass.

[Bouncing Bettys]

^They already have Spezza and Simmonds for that. Matthews et al pitched him on signing so they obviously welcome his input. He makes an interesting option at 3C, pushing Kerfoot to the wing, where he had some success, or on the PP. I've seen it mentioned before but it would be interesting if they acquired Marleau at the trade deadline, but not for another 1st for damn sure.

On HF boards: Canucks offered 1st, 2nd, Sutter, Virtanen for OEL

From Coyotes beat reporter Craig Morgan

I have heard from multiple sources that the sides had agreed on a draft pick and a contract coming back to Arizona, but they never could agree on the prospect. I think the Coyotes wanted either Thatcher Demko, Vasili Podkolzin or Nils Höglander and the Canucks kept saying no. I have also heard that the Vancouver offer was a first-round pick, a second-round pick, Jake Virtanen and Brandon Sutter.
Benning was right to hold on to those pieces, but draft picks are a steep price in today's market.

[highfive]

^They already have Spezza and Simmonds for that. Matthews et al pitched him on signing so they obviously welcome his input. He makes an interesting option at 3C, pushing Kerfoot to the wing, where he had some success, or on the PP. I've seen it mentioned before but it would be interesting if they acquired Marleau at the trade deadline, but not for another 1st for damn sure.

On HF boards:
Benning was right to hold on to those pieces, but draft picks are a steep price in today's market.

I saw online that was what Arizona was asking for. If it was that, they be taking more bad contracts.

Thorton with the young guys? Isn’t he known to be the host of his yearly Vegas parties?

[68style]

Haha yah like Matthews needs anymore help partying / being an idiot (I actually like him as a player but he’s been involved in his fair share of disappointments off the ice thus far)

[Bouncing Bettys]

Can you blame Matthews for keeping a stupid night out (like we have never had one) from a POS like Babcock? Vegas can't compete with the Roxy anyways.

[highfive]

All that talent in his skills and in his teammates yet he cannot win a series for them.

19 pts in 25 playoff games.

Petey 18 in 17. One playoff series.

[bobbinka]

Glad we didn't do the OEL deal if Loui wasn't going the other way.

[spoon.ek9]

if that's true, i'm glad benning didn't give up hoglander, podkolzin or demko.

[RiceIntegraRS]

https://www.tsn.ca/vancouver-canucks-sign-forward-jayce-hawryluk-to-one-year-deal-1.1540853


We re-signed Gaudette to a 1yr 950k AAV
Signed Hawryluk to a 1yr 2way 800k AAV

Not bad at all

[spoon.ek9]

we'll see how he handles 3C duties. can't complain at that price.

[Jmac]

I think his offensive game is good enough for a 3C. The rest of his game needs improvement to be a legit 3C.

[Alpine]

Good deal for Gaudette. I like him a lot and I was hoping he would actually sign a 3-year contract on the cheap. The canucks need someone like him to develop and take the next step. He could easily be Bo-lite.

[pastarocket]

Shotgun Jake is back. -done deal for Virtanen:

Vancouver #Canucks
@Canucks
Welcome back @Jake_Virtanen! #Canucks have re-signed Jake Virtanen to a two-year contract with an average annual value of $2.55 million.

[Liquid_o2]

HOLD UP

Benning said that he was disappointed in Jake's play during the playoffs. He lets TT walk and sign with Montreal for under market price, and then doubles Jake's salary even though he is an RFA? :rukidding:

[BlackV62K2]

HOLD UP

Benning said that he was disappointed in Jake's play during the playoffs. He lets TT walk and sign with Montreal for under market price, and then doubles Jake's salary even though he is an RFA? :rukidding:

https://images.glaciermedia.ca/polopoly_fs/1.2079899.1444251789!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_804/jim-benning-won-training-camp.jpg

[Expresso]

HOLD UP

Benning said that he was disappointed in Jake's play during the playoffs. He lets TT walk and sign with Montreal for under market price, and then doubles Jake's salary even though he is an RFA? :rukidding:

But in reality how many more good years does Toff really have?

[Hondaracer]

He’s still an asset. We’ve lost too many assets for nothing. At least at this price he may be seen to have value by other teams as a trade chip

[RiceIntegraRS]

2.55 for a player who can score 20goals basically all at even strength Is a win. if he gets his shit together the contract becomes a bargain.

[bobbinka]

salary structured as 1.7m for first year and 3.4m for second year, which he'll still be an RFA at the end of.

basically, show me you're worth it and you'll be guaranteed 3.4m minimum on your next contract. if you flop, we walk away and you become UFA.

[68style]

HOLD UP

Benning said that he was disappointed in Jake's play during the playoffs. He lets TT walk and sign with Montreal for under market price, and then doubles Jake's salary even though he is an RFA? :rukidding:

RFA just means he goes to arbitration if we didn’t come to terms with him and, to be honest, based on comparable cases I think he would have got more.

Good deal by Benning given the 3 choices (the 3rd one being he’s gone).

[blkgsr]

why is he getting more than Gaudette?

[68style]

Entering his 6th year in the NHL.... on pace for over 20 goals last year

Likeable as he is, thus far Gaudette can barely crack the lineup...

[Jmac]

why is he getting more than Gaudette?
Aside from the obvious of outproducing Gaudette, Gaudette was also a 10.2c RFA with no offer sheet or arbitration rights. Virtanen was an RFA with both.

[spoon.ek9]

with this deal, we are currently over the cap. more moves to come or perhaps Ferland on LTIR? His agent came out and said "we can't keep doing this" in regards to his health.

[68style]

Ferland is best to take medical leave and then retire for his own sake and also for our teams sake... even if he tries to play there’s zero chance it’s not in his mind to hold back all the time. Poor guy.

[highfive]

Man... I was excited to have ferland on the team. Guy who won’t take shit from anyone. Nobody can touch petey. He’s as tough or tougher than bieksa. He’s what we wanted gudbranson to do but he’s too busy being a pretty boy.

[Liquid_o2]

A healthy Ferland would be great. Sandpaper, hits everything that moves, potential for 20 goals. But I agree - there is no possible way he can play a full season anymore without sustaining further concussion symptoms. He has had 3 setbacks in the past year.

[punkwax]

I didn’t like the Ferland signing since day 1.. figured he was damaged goods back then and hoped he could prove me wrong. Nyope.

[Jmac]

A healthy Ferland at $3.5M would’ve been a really good deal. It was a risk/reward scenario and it looks like the risk didn’t pay off, unfortunately. His P/60 at even-strength has exceeded Toffoli’s the past 2 seasons.

[Jmac]

Ferland is best to take medical leave and then retire for his own sake and also for our teams sake... even if he tries to play there’s zero chance it’s not in his mind to hold back all the time. Poor guy.
There’s almost zero chance he walks away from the $9.5M remaining on his contract.

[SumAznGuy]

There’s almost zero chance he walks away from the $9.5M remaining on his contract.

How much $$$ would the Canucks save on cap space if he went on LTIR?

[Hondaracer]

People around Ferland should be telling him to retire. Guy is gonna be a veggie the way this is going

[68style]

There’s almost zero chance he walks away from the $9.5M remaining on his contract.

I didn’t say he would, I said go on medical ie: LTIR and then retire after

[spoon.ek9]

he needs to think about his quality of life after hockey. you have to think back to the playoffs. what was the play that knocked him out of the game? no one seems to be able to pin down anything specific that would cause another concussion. he can't play his game anymore if he feels symptoms reoccurring so easily.

[Bouncing Bettys]

I didn’t say he would, I said go on medical ie: LTIR and then retire after
If Lou Lamoriello was your gm, he would make him an offer he couldn't refuse. Robidas Island has been needing a new caretaker. Loui Eriksson would be in witness protection.

[Jmac]

How much $$$ would the Canucks save on cap space if he went on LTIR?
Up to $3.5M depending on how the Canucks handle it.

[AzNightmare]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/on-the-bench-boys-elias-pettersson-canucks-goalie

https://images.dailyhive.com/20201022134607/pettersson-goalie1.jpg

lol, Elias Nettersson

[bobbinka]

it's why we let Marky walk

[spoon.ek9]

Leivo to Flames as well

[EuterVanWasser]

Not sure the logic in letting Leivo walk for $875/year. I liked the guy.

[bobbinka]

Not sure the logic in letting Leivo walk for $875/year. I liked the guy.

it's possible that we had the same or even better offer, but he decided he had a better shot with the flames?

[Jmac]

Not sure the logic in letting Leivo walk for $875/year. I liked the guy.
Just had major, potentially-career impacting injury (shattered knee cap). Missed 9 months and Benning said he might have been an option if the Canucks had made the Stanley Cup Finals (so at least 10 months).

[roastpuff]

Also we may have offered a 2-way deal and the Flames offered a 1-way so that might have swayed him.

[bobbinka]

https://twitter.com/benkuzma/status/1320412365276393472

[68style]

I liked his drive and effort with us his boards work would make Virtanen a much better player...

But if you watched his Twitter feed (which he deleted a tonne of posts from) before he seemed like a bit of a knob, acting like he’s king shit and hanging with Matthews trying to be a party boy etc... pretty big ego though

[AzNightmare]

https://twitter.com/S7Dsn/status/1320120996687298560


lol. Please take Loui too...

[spoon.ek9]

so two things happened over the weekend. canucks chose to NOT buy out anyone and benning told the media (province, i believe) that the kids will get a chance to play D. that's likely rafferty/chatfield/juolevi. the debate now is whether this was planned or it's a product of being so handcuffed lol.

so, the assumption is baertschi continues to be buried in the AHL and that loui is likely to be sent down too. that gives us $2mil+ in cap relief.

[68style]

Loui actually might not hate being sent down besides the luxury items being taken away. AHL players don’t have to pay escrow so he gets a bigger chunk of his bloated ass salary every pay day.

Not that it ever looks like he “cares” about much of anything............

[RiceIntegraRS]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/on-the-bench-boys-elias-pettersson-canucks-goalie

https://images.dailyhive.com/20201022134607/pettersson-goalie1.jpg

lol, Elias Nettersson


https://youtu.be/TPq6ole-pjA

[Jmac]

so two things happened over the weekend. canucks chose to NOT buy out anyone and benning told the media (province, i believe) that the kids will get a chance to play D. that's likely rafferty/chatfield/juolevi. the debate now is whether this was planned or it's a product of being so handcuffed lol.

so, the assumption is baertschi continues to be buried in the AHL and that loui is likely to be sent down too. that gives us $2mil+ in cap relief.
Zero point in buying anyone out in the second window. Already missed out on everyone decent. Who would they sign with the extra money?

[highfive]

Zero point in buying anyone out in the second window. Already missed out on everyone decent. Who would they sign with the extra money?

hoffman...lol haha

[mb_]

https://twitter.com/benkuzma/status/1320412365276393472

This would indicate that Leivo would rather play with a bunch of players that disappear during playoffs (asides from Tkachuk) but they do have Marky and Tanev now LOL

[spoon.ek9]

Zero point in buying anyone out in the second window. Already missed out on everyone decent. Who would they sign with the extra money?

Rumour was signing a d man like Vatanen or Hamonic. I'm not saying they should have waived someone, simply that they could have if they wanted to make a move.

Hell, they could have let Jake walk, waive Sutter, keep Toffoli and still have some room to play with.

[Sw0op]

id rather play the kids than the leftover scraps really...those kids need some experience and are not getting any younger.....besides we should keep a D slot open for the expansion draft to take advantage of another team that risks losing someone good in the back end for nothing

[keifun]

Dallas revealed their new 3rd jersey today.

Looks like they're going to play lazer tag. :heckno:

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/10/28/8ff5ff7a-971d-4ed2-896f-ce1b1fdf226a/thumbnail/770x433/867e824598cab60af2a697c36715df1a/dallas-stars-2.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

I love high contrast jerseys, so I love it!

[AzNightmare]

Do they glow in the dark though?

[Jmac]

The Philly and Detroit blackout jerseys were a total flop, so 3rd time’s the charm, I guess? :badpokerface:

[EvoFire]

Dallas revealed their new 3rd jersey today.

Looks like they're going to play lazer tag. :heckno:

https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2020/10/28/8ff5ff7a-971d-4ed2-896f-ce1b1fdf226a/thumbnail/770x433/867e824598cab60af2a697c36715df1a/dallas-stars-2.jpg

I think it looks great. And the black visor does make it seem laser tag-ish.

[Liquid_o2]

I think they look like an ECHL jersey. Terrible. Reminds me of the Seahawks jerseys which have a better green.

[EuterVanWasser]

All I can think about is how much shit a guy would take wearing a smoked out visor like he's got on. ASHL comments would be vicious if a guy ever showed up with a lid like that.

:lol

[bobbinka]

Lol, Arizona...

-loses draft picks for violating rules
-goes all in to get Taylor Hall, can't re-sign Taylor Hall
-new GM
-tries to trade their Captain, can't get deal done
-first draft pick in 2020 is 4th round and selects problematic player that no one else wants
-story makes it to media, Arizona comes out defending draft pick
-story blows up, PR backlash, Arizona renounces draft pick

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/08/05/us/05onfire1_xp/05onfire1_xp-superJumbo-v2.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

"There were gasps in other NHL war-rooms when Coyotes picked Miller"

I haven't been following the draft, but I read the letter written by his victim's mom, and I couldn't believe anyone would go anywhere close to that piece of shit scumbag in this day and age. Glad they came to their senses, that guy does not deserve any success whatsoever. He had his chance to try to make it better, but couldn't even apologize. Fuck him and his shitty family.

[whitev70r]

Dropped ... like a hot potato!

https://twitter.com/ArizonaCoyotes/status/1321881991290122240

[Expresso]

lol, so does Arizona get to repick or they totally just forfeited their 4th rounder?

[Liquid_o2]

Well they can sign any undrafted players and call that their 4th round pick :fullofwin:

[CRS]

lol, so does Arizona get to repick or they totally just forfeited their 4th rounder?

It's gone.

[mikemhg]

The kid is a racist, and bullied a young black kid with mental development issues.

Just gives more credence to the reports of rampant racism in the NHL, good ol' boys keep good ol' boyin'.

[spoon.ek9]

i thought it was great news that this kid was dropped by the yotes. glad he got what he deserved.

[Jmac]

I would have preferred if Arizona had worked with him to legitimately make amends with the kid he bullied, go to counselling and sensitivity training, enrol him in community outreach programs, etc. I don’t think teenagers are beyond redemption.

That said, it’s a business and they have every right to drop him if they don’t want to be associated with him.

[CRS]

I would have preferred if Arizona had worked with him to legitimately make amends with the kid he bullied, go to counselling and sensitivity training, enrol him in community outreach programs, etc. I don’t think teenagers are beyond redemption.

That said, it’s a business and they have every right to drop him if they don’t want to be associated with him.

I would normally agree that everyone deserves a second chance but did you read what they (the kid and the mom) wrote?

All they really wanted was an apology and he couldn't even muster that up.

It takes a real special POS to bully a disabled kid.

[Sw0op]

I would have preferred if Arizona had worked with him to legitimately make amends with the kid he bullied, go to counselling and sensitivity training, enrol him in community outreach programs, etc. I don’t think teenagers are beyond redemption.

That said, it’s a business and they have every right to drop him if they don’t want to be associated with him.

guy had no remorse for what he did...most of the NHL teams interviewed him and walked away flagging him even more as he didnt even want to talk about it and admit he was wrong...he was already given a chance there. sorry he shot himself in his own foot multiple times here he deserved what he got and the lack of NHL opportunities he will receive

[SumAznGuy]

Guy just got dropped by UND.

https://www.tsn.ca/former-arizona-coyotes-prospect-mitchell-miller-no-longer-a-part-of-und-hockey-team-1.1545808

[sonick]

It's ridiculous reading the responses on twitter to the post by the Coyotes renouncing the pick:

https://twitter.com/hockeymom121720/status/1321949657921212419

https://twitter.com/Tuckerrr333/status/1321882600701595653

https://twitter.com/SteveWolfe44/status/1321896312267309059

[SumAznGuy]

Another sad story.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/10/29/travis-roy-death-boston-university-spinal-cord-injury-advocate/

[Jmac]

I would normally agree that everyone deserves a second chance but did you read what they (the kid and the mom) wrote?

All they really wanted was an apology and he couldn't even muster that up.

It takes a real special POS to bully a disabled kid.
I did and that’s why I said legitimately make amends as he didn’t make any real attempt to in the past. The judge also didn’t have nice things to say about him either.

But, again, he was and still is a teenager. He’s learning a life lesson now the hard way and I don’t know that destroying an 18-year-old’s life is the answer even if he did some really shitty stuff.
guy had no remorse for what he did...most of the NHL teams interviewed him and walked away flagging him even more as he didnt even want to talk about it and admit he was wrong...he was already given a chance there. sorry he shot himself in his own foot multiple times here he deserved what he got and the lack of NHL opportunities he will receive
I’m not defending what he did or what he’s done the last 5 years. I’m just saying that ruining the kid’s life isn’t the only or best way to address this situation.

[sonick]

Not getting a shot in the NHL is far from "ruining a kids life."

It was a privilege and opportunity that he squandered. Now he just has to live a normal life like the rest of us. He is a caucasian male American in a family that has been able to support him in playing hockey, he'll be fine.

[Jmac]

Not getting a shot in the NHL is far from "ruining a kids life."

It was a privilege and opportunity that he squandered. Now he just has to live a normal life like the rest of us. He is a caucasian male American in a family that has been able to support him in playing hockey, he'll be fine.
That’s extremely naive.

[bobbinka]

actions have consequences. i hope this serves as a lesson to all kids (and parents).

you know what's naive? thinking that giving the guy an opportunity to play in the NHL will change who he is and make him a better person. what makes you think he hasn't already gotten a second chance to make things and himself better? or that he wont get chances in the future? where's the victim's second chance to do well in life?

yea, let's show all the kids that as long as you say the right things and check off all the boxes on the checklist, you can get away with anything and even spin it into a redemption story, right?

the situation sucks for everyone, but the kid needs to own up, take responsibility for his actions, and deal with the consequences.

[Expresso]

The more I think about this the more I think Coyotes staff totally just missed this and didn't do their homework. How's it that every single team did their due diligence and wanted no part of him yet, Coyotes picked him anyway. This isn't even a 1st/2nd rounder where the talent level would be too good to ignore, 4th Round!

[SumAznGuy]

The more I think about this the more I think Coyotes staff totally just missed this and didn't do their homework. How's it that every single team did their due diligence and wanted no part of him yet, Coyotes picked him anyway. This isn't even a 1st/2nd rounder where the talent level would be too good to ignore, 4th Round!

I think the kid was actually ranks as a second/third rounder in some of the mock draft reports.

https://thehockeywriters.com/mitchell-miller-2020-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/


My guess is the Cotes probably thought they would get a third rounder in the fourth round and use him as a fixer up er until the shit hit the fans and they made the second mistake of bailing out on him.

[eclipseman]

I'm sorry, but this kid deserves what's transpired. At 14 years old, I already knew not to punch or attack other kids, let alone disabled ones.

As someone above mentioned, he'll just have to learn to be a better person without being paid for it.

[Jmac]

actions have consequences. i hope this serves as a lesson to all kids (and parents).

you know what's naive? thinking that giving the guy an opportunity to play in the NHL will change who he is and make him a better person. what makes you think he hasn't already gotten a second chance to make things and himself better? or that he wont get chances in the future? where's the victim's second chance to do well in life?
He was an unsigned draft pick heading to college for up to 4 years. Being drafted isn't an opportunity to play in the NHL.

That's 4 years that the organization potentially had to influence him and for him to show real change, growth, etc. before even inviting him to a training camp let alone offering him a contract.
yea, let's show all the kids that as long as you say the right things and check off all the boxes on the checklist, you can get away with anything and even spin it into a redemption story, right?
I'm actually quite disappointed if that's what you're inferring my argument is.

He already went through the motions. That's a huge part of why this got to where it is. Going through the motions isn't good enough and I'm glad it wasn't good enough.
the situation sucks for everyone, but the kid needs to own up, take responsibility for his actions, and deal with the consequences.
I agree. However, what do you think is more likely to happen now that Arizona has dropped him, his university program has dropped him, and no NHL team will ever touch him for fear of a PR nightmare (or really any organization, sports or not)? That he'll suddenly change his ways? Or that he'll become bitter, angry, and even more racist?

Is justice (internet mob justice at that, not even legal justice) for a teenager's actions more important than trying rehabilitate him?
I'm sorry, but this kid deserves what's transpired. At 14 years old, I already knew not to punch or attack other kids, let alone disabled ones.

As someone above mentioned, he'll just have to learn to be a better person without being paid for it. He was never paid and there was never an agreement that he would be paid. He was drafted meaning the team had exclusive negotiation rights with him until a certain period of time after he left university.

[bobbinka]

He was an unsigned draft pick heading to college for up to 4 years. Being drafted isn't an opportunity to play in the NHL.

That's 4 years that the organization potentially had to influence him and for him to show real change, growth, etc. before even inviting him to a training camp let alone offering him a contract.

Why should he be entitled to those 4 years to do that with an organization? No one owes him anything. Why can't he do that on his own for the next 4 years?


I'm actually quite disappointed if that's what you're inferring my argument is.


No. That's my argument.


He already went through the motions. That's a huge part of why this got to where it is. Going through the motions isn't good enough and I'm glad it wasn't good enough.

I agree. However, what do you think is more likely to happen now that Arizona has dropped him, his university program has dropped him, and no NHL team will ever touch him for fear of a PR nightmare (or really any organization, sports or not)? That he'll suddenly change his ways? Or that he'll become bitter, angry, and even more racist?

No, but no one owes him anything to give him the chance to fix things/himself with an NHL team. That's his own responsibility to take action, regardless of whether he gets to play hockey professionally. No one else is to blame for whatever happens after. No one said it would be easy, but why should he have it easy?


Is justice (internet mob justice at that, not even legal justice) for a teenager's actions more important than trying rehabilitate him?
He was never paid and there was never an agreement that he would be paid. He was drafted meaning the team had exclusive negotiation rights with him until a certain period of time after he left university.

why is being drafted and part of an organization the only way to rehabilitate someone? what difference does it make whether he has been paid yet or not?

you generalize what he's done as "teenager's actions". this is not a one time lapse of judgement or something that's just chalked up as kids doing dumb things. what he did was so serious, it went to court, the judge recognized he had no remorse and only cared about his own reputation, and even after that he continued to taunt the victim.

if he's serious about bettering himself and being a leader for the cause, great, go do it. he doesn't need hockey to do that. if he wants a shot at the NHL, go play elsewhere and try to work his way back. if nobody wants to touch him with a 10-foot pole because of his history, then too bad, that's life. consequences.

[Teriyaki]

Got nothing to add except this oddly subtitled vid i'll just slide right into here.
https://youtu.be/yV5YkSOQZC8

[Razor Ramon HG]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/w5/pushing-through-the-pain-nhlers-say-they-re-regularly-taking-painkillers-in-order-to-play-1.5158297#:~:text=According%20to%20former%20NHL%20 all,doesn't%20battle%20through%20injuries.

Not sure if this has been shared, but the video goes into detail about the use of painkillers such as toradol.

Kesler speaks on his experience. Doctors said his colitis and Chron's Diisease was due to him using toradol for extended periods to continue playing through a broken hip and other injuries.

[Obsideon]

It was already talked about a lot last month, I think it was in the old thread.
https://www.tsn.ca/video/tsn-original-the-problem-of-pain~2040291

Not gonna lie, I teared up when he talked about his kids not wanting to ask him to go outside and play because he was visibly in a lot of pain.

[Bouncing Bettys]

https://twitter.com/berniepascall/status/1325513150574206976
Always hoped I would have a chance to bump into him in Parksville.

https://youtu.be/Bm_VF2_fYyI
https://youtu.be/wSfDNOWdIHM
https://youtu.be/ae3O6VzC_7Y
Keep your stick on the ice.

(my son going for his first skate)

[pastarocket]

The reverse retro jerseys for our Canucks look awesome.

-bringing back the West Coast Express look from the Naslund, Morrison, and Bertuzzi era. :thumbsup:

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/canucks-reverse-retro-sweaters-a-nod-to-west-coast-express-era

[murd0c]

I think the Canucks Retro jersey's are beyond ugly... The wild on the other hand are so nice.

[pastarocket]

-also like the Avalanche's reverse retro jersey. The team is bringing the back the Quebec Nordiques logo and design to that jersey.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-reverse-retro-sweater-rankings-avalanche-win-day/

[bobbinka]

all 31 retro jerseys here:

https://news.sportslogos.net/2020/11/16/nhl-adidas-unveil-reverse-retro-jerseys-for-all-31-teams/hockey-2/

[SkinnyPupp]

There are some really nice ones in there... Bruins, Nordiques, Whalers, Habs in blue, Flyers, Jets looks really cool.

Some of them are DansGame, including the Canucks, but some people like gradient jerseys. Stars and Red Wings are kinda :fulloffuck:

Every year I'm disappointed again that the Canucks haven't moved on from the orca logo FeelsBadMan

[punkwax]

I don’t mind ours but thought this was pretty good:

https://i.imgflip.com/4mnh57.jpg

[spoon.ek9]

At first, I didn't mind it. Didn't hate it but I also knew I'd never bother buying. Then I took a look at the other designs across the league and am super disappointed in the one we went with. It was discussed briefly this morning on 1040 as well (they didn't like it either).

[Hondaracer]

The capitals might be my favourite one

[SkinnyPupp]

They passed up a huge opportunity to bring back a big Johnny Canuck logo FeelsBadMan

[mikemhg]

I don’t mind ours but thought this was pretty good:

https://i.imgflip.com/4mnh57.jpg

Holy shit, it does look like a Sprite can :lol

[Hondaracer]

They passed up a huge opportunity to bring back a big Johnny Canuck logo FeelsBadMan

That ain’t a logo, like I dunno what’s with people’s fascination with the stupid Johnny Canuck

If we went full time Johnny Canuck it would be the worst logo in the league by miles. That ain’t even worthy of an AHL team

[SkinnyPupp]

That ain’t a logo, like I dunno what’s with people’s fascination with the stupid Johnny Canuck

If we went full time Johnny Canuck it would be the worst logo in the league by miles. That ain’t even worthy of an AHL team
Maybe not full time, but what other options are there for "reverse retro"? They already have the sled, they are using the old colours full time... Flying V I guess? Millionaires?

I'm not a huge fan of Johnny Canuck either, but people like it

[Hondaracer]

I dunno I think skate and even the V would be preferred over Johnny Canuck

I’m torn over this gradient one, I don’t love it but don’t have much thought into what else would have flown.

I still can’t believe the kings have not gone back to their silver and black sweaters with this logo on the new one, that was like an all-time retro look and as far as i know they’ve never gone back to those yet

[punkwax]

The one that got away..

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_r8tWGVHrjGI/RqDrgrbQ1GI/AAAAAAAAAt4/KuhHWPFEkz8/s1600/vancouver_id_02.jpg

[spoon.ek9]

every time I see Columbus' logo, I just think Church's Chicken :lol

[EvoFire]

every time I see Columbus' logo, I just think Church's Chicken :lol

Now I can't get that thought out of my head

[eclipseman]

Big fan of what the LA Kings did with theirs. Ours is poop.

[Teriyaki]

Ours is easily one of the worst of the bunch.

Love that some of the teams out there paid homage to their original team names, pre-moving. Colorado busting out the Nordiques Logo. Carolina with the Hartford Whalers logo. Now thats going retro proper! WTF are we doing with the orca, its like our designer didn't get the memo what the theme of the party was and showed up with the wrong costume.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em-U0s7W8AA8-L6?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em-U0_AXUAUXfDc?format=jpg&name=medium

Seeing these colours and designs brings back some memories

[68style]

The most subtle cool one has to the Wild using the old Northstars colours on their logo

[AzNightmare]

Most of them look pretty good to me.

I was always a fan of the gradient jersey. lol

[winson604]

Some pretty sick ones but for me too many jerseys that kind of just look the same as their current jerseys lol. Like for the Detroit, Philly, Boston just to name a few if you ask the avg person and showed them the jersey without saying anything they wouldn't even know it's a new jersey just looks like the same shit they've been wearing for years. Phoenix, Kings, Wild are a few of the standouts for me.

[whitev70r]

K, not sure what the Canucks got in Holtby ...this is his wife, Brandi, apparently, he is stuck at border
https://twitter.com/bbholtby/status/1329105576274456580

[68style]

I think their pet turtles are stuck, not him

[winson604]

I think their pet turtles are stuck, not him

Both the turtles and Holtby are stuck lol

[pastarocket]

Petey, Demko, Edler, former Canucks Stecher, Jason Garrison and the figure skater Patrick Chan play pond hockey on top of a mountain after taking a helicopter ride.

-so cool!

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-players-pond-hockey-bc-mountain

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201201/0efa40eaa4748fd573f8f4155888cab5.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[bobbinka]

More pics here:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/29/sports/hockey/29-nhl-lake-hockey-elias-pettersson.html

Sick shot:

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/k438bc/pettersson_vs_demko/

[MG1]

Both the turtles and Holtby are stuck lol

Better call Master Roshi........... errrr.......... I mean, Master Splinter.

[mikemhg]

Knew that would be Bradley before even viewing the article. What a life that guy has.

[Gumby]

Not sure if this should go here, or in the coronavirus thread:

Canucks cut ties with anthem singer Mark Donnelly over plan to sing at anti-mask rally

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-canucks-anthem-singer-mark-donnelly-to-perform-at-anti-masker-rally

[Obsideon]

Francesco finally does something right :troll:

[Jmac]

You never know where Donnelly will pop up with a rendition of his signature song.
I’m pretty sure the Canadian National Anthem isn’t his song.

I enjoy his singing but fuck these anti-maskers.

[whitev70r]

Never liked Donnelly anyways ... skates like shit! Good we get to showcase some local talent.

[bobbinka]

bring in MG1

[bobbinka]

https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/k7fwd6/former_canucks_anthem_singer_theres_room_for/


Former Canucks Anthem Singer: "There's room for debate on public policy." Inside the decision to have Mark Donnelly on TSN 1040 hours after his firing from the Canucks

Its a 16 minute interview that happened around 11:30 pm last night, and it is wild. I recommend you listen to it. It wasn't boring at all.

I've listened to it and here are some highlights: (I was typing as I was listening.) I put his words in quotes, and if there are no quotes, I'm paraphrasing because he was talking so fast.

“I love my country”

“Not illegal to have opinions”

“Consequences of masks are being ignored, sociological, economical and medical” etc

He debates the efficacy of masks

“I don’t like to make waves”

“1 side is being censored," "cant hear the truth by censoring both sides”

“I don’t like the protocols no one does”

“Haven’t done a Meta analysis but by reading [facebook] data by enough doctors and scientists who are questioning the protocols, these docs are outstanding people. “ (paraphrasing)

Top epidemiologists and Nobel prize winners speaking about the virus and how the media isn’t telling the whole story

“If the interventions worked, there would be a drop in deaths and cases”

“I’m not a scientist, and I don’t understand everything they are saying, but it is persuasive.”

“I’m pointing the finger at the media. They aren’t doing their job.”

“Standing up for something I believe is right, sometimes you have to forgo the personal consequences” [when asked if he knew there was a possibility he'd be let go]

“Losing our individual rights to hold unpopular opinions, that aren’t just whimsical, they are supported by the top doctors around the world”

Top doctors are being censored. (BC doctors and Globally)

Says doctors in BC are emailing doctor henry asking why she's closing down places of worship (he got really mad about the churches thing)

Claims Dr. henry is Ignoring the known effectiveness of vitamin D of improving the immune system to fight the virus

Host: I hear what you are saying- Mark: “NO YOU DON’T. NO YOU DON’T ROB. THE DATA SAYS MASKS ARE DEFECTIVE. YOU CANT CHERRY PICK”

Host: “but the masks are 95% effective, if both people wear it goes up to 98%” Mark:“WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT. IT WASN’T ANYWHERE UNTIL THE VIRUS STARTED”

Mark: “THIS IS NOT A POPULAR DECISION”

Host:“I want to clarify that you made the decision to go to the rally, not a PR firm”
Mark: YES. [it was mark's decision only]

Host: “thank you for trying to educate me on your points”

Mark: I’m willing to see your data, but however, if you are like the majority of the rest of the media, you will not look at the other data on the other side.

Host: I will educate myself on your side, if you educate yourself on my side Mark: “this is all I’m asking for, this is all I want, is that YOU bring your best ammunition, and I bring my best ammunition and we throw it in the pot there. And we look at what it shows to us, and that’s the thing that’s not happening”

[SkinnyPupp]

Why is anti-science considered a "side" at all? WutFace

[68style]

What a looney toon...

Guy's an asshole anyway, he used to live in the Fraser/Broadway area and he'd frequent a pub on the corner there, show up for Canucks away games and sing the anthem in the pub, walked in there like he fuckin owned the place, treated the staff poorly, got free food and generally acted like a dickhead celebrity. First time I thought it was so cool, but guy had an ego the size of a small planet.

Fast forward to when he got thin, saw him at a floor hockey tournament game for charity/promoting youth sports and he was playing in a game with some Canucks media personalities and ex-Canucks like Robin Bawa and Trevor Linden was actually playing too... none of them seriously obviously... buddy is running around throwing himself into people and at one point dropped a shoulder into Linden in the corner and Linden looked pissed af. People were all watching and looking at each other like wtf is wrong with this guy??? Totally lost respect for him, this is just the nail in the coffin.

[Hondaracer]

I think even if he had actually made valid points his sketchy weird religious past, having 9 kids or whatever etc. Like you just kinda look like a crackpot

Seemed like he was in less favour with the Canucks overall to begin with so it wasn’t that hard of a move to make

[MarkyMark]

The dude sang the national anthem lol, this was as easy as it gets as far as firing someone.

[SkinnyPupp]

What a looney toon...

Guy's an asshole anyway, he used to live in the Fraser/Broadway area and he'd frequent a pub on the corner there, show up for Canucks away games and sing the anthem in the pub, walked in there like he fuckin owned the place, treated the staff poorly, got free food and generally acted like a dickhead celebrity. First time I thought it was so cool, but guy had an ego the size of a small planet.

Fast forward to when he got thin, saw him at a floor hockey tournament game for charity/promoting youth sports and he was playing in a game with some Canucks media personalities and ex-Canucks like Robin Bawa and Trevor Linden was actually playing too... none of them seriously obviously... buddy is running around throwing himself into people and at one point dropped a shoulder into Linden in the corner and Linden looked pissed af. People were all watching and looking at each other like wtf is wrong with this guy??? Totally lost respect for him, this is just the nail in the coffin.
Oh you could tell he was up his own ass with the anthem gimmick. He thought he was a bigger star than the anthem, but really what made his act great was him shutting up and letting the crowd sing.

[Jmac]

Oh you could tell he was up his own ass with the anthem gimmick. He thought he was a bigger star than the anthem, but really what made his act great was him shutting up and letting the crowd sing.
That and he blasted through the anthem(s) quick so we could get to puck drop faster.

[68style]

I kind of wish they'd just get rid of anthems before most sporting events... or maybe I'm lonely in not feeling pumped up at all by them

[MarkyMark]

I kind of wish they'd just get rid of anthems before most sporting events... or maybe I'm lonely in not feeling pumped up at all by them

But then is how some nobody going to sing the Canadian national anthem followed by an American superstar?

[Manic!]

That's him singing at an anti-abortion rally. Glad he is gone.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hSxUhJ2VP7Y/maxresdefault.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Why is it always the same people who are into this stuff? Like do they just all decide to cling to every fringe belief there is? Just because it fits their brand?

[N.V.M.]

either way, have some balls and deal with your employees face to face. getting fired with a tweet is so lame.

[SkinnyPupp]

Do not blame anyone for not wanting to go face to face with that guy or any anti-masker KEKW

[Hondaracer]

If the aqualinis had waited one second they would have got lambasted as they usually do for stuff that is generally a non issue.

This way he gets out front of it, the public sees it, it’s over. I don’t think the aqualinis owed him anything.

[westopher]

either way, have some balls and deal with your employees face to face. getting fired with a tweet is so lame.
Yeah I'm pretty sure aquilini or someone probably contacted him before just tweeting "you're fired."
This isn't American politics we're talking about here.

[Manic!]

He found out via social media. https://canucksarmy.com/2020/12/05/inside-decision-have-mark-donnelly-tsn-1040-after-firing-from-canucks/

[westopher]

Lol, I stand corrected. That is pretty lame.

[SkinnyPupp]

He found out via social media. https://canucksarmy.com/2020/12/05/inside-decision-have-mark-donnelly-tsn-1040-after-firing-from-canucks/
According to him...

[SumAznGuy]

He found out via social media. https://canucksarmy.com/2020/12/05/inside-decision-have-mark-donnelly-tsn-1040-after-firing-from-canucks/

I wonder if Aquaman gave him a warning when he was singing at the anti-abortion protests or paid for those trucks to drive around downtown with those pictures of fetuses.

[pastarocket]

I wonder if the Calgary Flames are gonna keep poaching our team and hire Donnelly. This guy would fit right in with some of the anti-mask fools in Alberta. :lawl:

[murd0c]

I'm happy he's fired to be honest, I always thought he was a complete douche and it was the time for a change anyways.

[68style]

Marie Hui was signing half the games recently anyway...

Miss Richard Loney! Haha

[Ch28]

It was cool when he let the crowd sing the very first time because it was something new that we haven't experienced. Can't say the same after the 985764th time where he's getting paid to do half the work. I also hated how he ended the anthem so I'm glad he's gone.

[RRxtar]

cant argue the feels when he sang the anthem during the cup run.

[whitev70r]

^ Wasn't him ... anyone could have sang and the 'feel' would have been there.

[westopher]

There's a serious irony about this prick singing at a rally for peoples rights where he literally sang at a rally to take away peoples rights previously.

[Blah_Teggie]

Must be a slow news week in Canuck Land when we have almost 2 pages dedicated to talking about the anthem singer, or oops, ex anthem singer.

[Hondaracer]

^ Wasn't him ... anyone could have sang and the 'feel' would have been there.

Ehhhh.. even Marie Hui ain’t on the same level

[68style]

There's a serious irony about this prick singing at a rally for peoples rights where he literally sang at a rally to take away peoples rights previously.

He’s just going to say he’s speaking for the rights of the unborn baby.......... that’s how these people roll, all their arguments run up on an entity or evidence you can’t interview or talk to or justify on a quantifiable level one way or another for the purpose of refuting their argument.

[SkinnyPupp]

Ehhhh.. even Marie Hui ain’t on the same level
Can't take away that he had a great voice and charisma.

But fuck him we can move on

[Ch28]

There's a serious irony about this prick singing at a rally for peoples rights where he literally sang at a rally to take away peoples rights previously.

https://i.imgur.com/kmtdnAI.gif

[SkinnyPupp]

Speaking of hockey

https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1336153520320475137

[SumAznGuy]

Marie Hui was signing half the games recently anyway...

Miss Richard Loney! Haha

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-phasing-out-anthem-singer-mark-donnelly

According to this crap article, that's exactly it.
I don't remember if Donnelly sang the male version of the anthem at the Canucks game but I am guessing there is some truth to this story.

Just like Don Cherry was given many warnings before being canned, it looks like Donnelly was also given some warnings due to his far right beliefs.

[68style]

Haha yah I definitely noticed last season, my wife is friends with Marie from highschool and flag football (she used to the teams QB before she got preggo) and she used to be like “watch the game guys I’m going to be singing” cuz it was like once in awhile and kind of special... but last year she stopped telling us cuz it was so often hahaha

Don Cherry backing that fool Donnelly too... as is Breitbart news... like Skinnypupp said, it’s always the same damn people.

[SkinnyPupp]

Haha yah I definitely noticed last season, my wife is friends with Marie from highschool and flag football

PogChamp PogChamp PogChamp PogChamp PogChamp

Sorry can't help it I'm a big fan!

PogChamp PogChamp PogChamp PogChamp PogChamp

[68style]

Haha yah she’s pretty cool and super competitive!

[murd0c]

Haha yah I definitely noticed last season, my wife is friends with Marie from highschool and flag football (she used to the teams QB before she got preggo) and she used to be like “watch the game guys I’m going to be singing” cuz it was like once in awhile and kind of special... but last year she stopped telling us cuz it was so often hahaha



you gotta work on a 3sum... :sweetjesus:

[68style]

Wutttt she married and about to have a second baby!

She’s super no nonsense don’t even think about it

[Obsideon]

I'm friends with her brother, she's definitely cool.

you gotta work on a 3sum... :sweetjesus:

Remember, you don't have to stick it into everything that has a hole.

[Kilinim]

Nhl confirmed 56 game season starting Jan 13, 2021!

[mikemhg]

Haha yah I definitely noticed last season, my wife is friends with Marie from highschool and flag football (she used to the teams QB before she got preggo) and she used to be like “watch the game guys I’m going to be singing” cuz it was like once in awhile and kind of special... but last year she stopped telling us cuz it was so often hahaha

Don Cherry backing that fool Donnelly too... as is Breitbart news... like Skinnypupp said, it’s always the same damn people.

They cry for free speech, freedom of choice, and free enterprise, but yet a "free enterprise" can't have the "freedom of choice" to decide whether or not they wish to retain a given employee.

Their opinions are so hypocritical, it's laughable.

[Hondaracer]

Damn..the articles on Facebook etc regarding Marie Hui potentially getting the full time anthem gig are nothing but “cancel culture at its best!!” You can’t have an opinion these days!!! Posts

....:pokerface:

[BlackV62K2]

Don Cherry backing that fool Donnelly too... as is Breitbart news... like Skinnypupp said, it’s always the same damn people.

Not surprised at that racist piece of shit Don Cherry backing Donnelly.

[Razor Ramon HG]

https://twitter.com/pierrevlebrun/status/1336777928705761285

Battle of Alberta? Nah, Battle of Canada now.

[Obsideon]

So do we just play the same teams 7 times each?

[Liquid_o2]

I would be fine with that. The rivalries are going to be amazing. Canucks vs. Leafs 7 times? Yes please.

[Hondaracer]

I don’t get where all the Habs love comes from

The Habs are the Habs, slow, small, etc. Just because they have a competent backup now they are in the talk about best team in Canada? I think not

[68style]

I get it for the French Canadian people I know.......... but I know quite a few guys who live and breathe Habs who were born here and don’t even speak French... that shit makes me confused lol

“We” won so many cups blah blah dude there’s no we, you’ve never even been to Montreal lol

[Mike Oxbig]

Canucks are not ready to the all canadian division lol

[Jmac]

I can sort of get being a Leafs or Habs fan if you grew up in the 90s or prior, especially if you didn't live in the city, because there was basically no local coverage back then (aside from highlights) and you only really saw the national games which were usually the Leafs or the Habs.

And, of course, lots of people immigrated from the East to BC in the '70s and became parents, so those kids may have ended up fans of eastern teams because of that.

2 of my friends are Habs fans. 1 grew up in Montreal and the other's father grew up in Ontario on the Quebec border and moved to BC.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah a lot of fandom is passed down through generations...

You also have to consider that not everyone becomes a fan of a team because it's their home team. Growing up, I became a big Nordiques fan... yes, the team even more French than the Habs LUL

It was because right when I started following hockey around 1991-1992 or so, I really liked players like Joe Sakic, Mats Sundin, Owen Nolan, Ron Hextall... And right when I started following them, they had their first playoff runs with this squad. I wrote letters to the team and got some badges, stickers, and an autograph from Stephane Fiset.. Stuff like that sticks with you as a kid, and you become an even bigger fan

Same thing happened when I started getting into football.. The easy team to follow would be the home team Seahawks, and they're my #2 team because of it, but I just fell into fandom with the Ravens and became a pretty hardcore fan from many thousands of miles away PogChamp

[Hondaracer]

Sorry, I didn't mean in general. I meant specifically this upcoming year. The talk has somewhat quieted down recently but after the cup was awarded and free agency/the draft occurred a lot of the (mostly eastern analysts) going on about how the debate between the best team in Canada was between the leafs and the habs (lol Edmonton)

They got some talent and a backup but I don't see how anyone can think they can compete on a regular basis as a top contender within this division. I would definitely take Edmonton over them in a head to head series, and even a team like Calgary, especially with Markstrom now could beat them pretty handily imo.

Time will tell, but todays habs are much like the teams they've had for the last 20 years

[Obsideon]

Our prospect!
https://twitter.com/GradySas/status/1337117395979173888

[highfive]

Sorry, I didn't mean in general. I meant specifically this upcoming year. The talk has somewhat quieted down recently but after the cup was awarded and free agency/the draft occurred a lot of the (mostly eastern analysts) going on about how the debate between the best team in Canada was between the leafs and the habs (lol Edmonton)

They got some talent and a backup but I don't see how anyone can think they can compete on a regular basis as a top contender within this division. I would definitely take Edmonton over them in a head to head series, and even a team like Calgary, especially with Markstrom now could beat them pretty handily imo.

Time will tell, but todays habs are much like the teams they've had for the last 20 years

I don't think Habs are that good. You centres, dman, and goalie. Goalie yes, dman yes, centre? I don't know about that? Danault and Suzuki?

I put my money on the leafs before the habs.

[Razor Ramon HG]

EP40 streaming some Warzone

https://www.twitch.tv/epforty_

[pastarocket]

Holtby’s new mask. It has a cool design.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201211/988b26e3f9d28cce53fc53db1dbd8022.jpg


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[Hondaracer]

Pretty sick

[SkinnyPupp]

That's seriously one of the best goalie masks I've ever seen.

[MarkyMark]

I've always liked that about hockey that the goalie mask can have their own art on it. It would be so boring if they had to follow the same theme as the players helmets.

[whitev70r]

Ooooops, shit hitting the fan on this one! Holtby's first misstep. Don't shoot the messenger.

Holtby’s new mask. It has a cool design.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201211/988b26e3f9d28cce53fc53db1dbd8022.jpg


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[pastarocket]

Ooooops, shit hitting the fan on this one! Holtby's first misstep. Don't shoot the messenger.


I don’t get it with this “controversy” about cultural appropriation of First Nation art.

News articles are reporting that some First Nation artists are happy that Holtby is using First Nation art forms in his mask as
Paying homage to BC.

I mean, I did not hear any Chinese Canadians criticizing the Canucks a couple of years for using red alternate Jerseys with a yellow rat design on top of a downward pointing skate during Chinese New Year as “cultural appropriation.”

Are those red Chinese New Year Canucks jersey ugly? Hell yeah. I am a CBC. Those jerseys look pretty tacky to me. :lawl:

-ugly jerseys but not cultural appropriation.


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[SkinnyPupp]

Are FN people actually offended, or is it just another case of white people being offended for someone else?

[68style]

Uhm...... If they have a problem with Holtby’s mask, how have they not had a problem with the Canucks logo since 1997?

Seems BS to me

[MarkyMark]

If he just wore the mask no one would have said shit. Post it online and you're giving the green light for all the losers who have nothing else to live for to hate on it and prove how woke they are by being offended.

[whitev70r]

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/canucks-hockey/canucks-braden-holtby-apologizes-for-goalie-mask-accused-of-cultural-appropriation-intends-to-work-with-indigenous-artist-3179933

According to Gunnarsson, it was Holtby’s idea to use the Thunderbird, one of the most powerful spirits in Northwest Indigenous myth. The Thunderbird is a common sight atop totem poles, such as the famous Thunderbird House Post totem pole in Stanley Park, a replica by carver Tony Hunt of the original by Kwakwaka’wakw artist Charlie James. In fact, that appears to be the exact Thunderbird used by Gunnarsson in his design.

In the case of the Thunderbird design, James's family has been clear in the past that they don't appreciate reproductions of his work without credit.

"My grandfather’s totem pole in Stanley Park is one of the most appropriated Indigenous designs anywhere," said Kwakwaka’wakw artist Lou-ann Neel to The Discourse in 2019. "With no acknowledgement that that’s his work... It pains me to see some of the really poor reproductions of it. It’s just troubling to see that."

[SkinnyPupp]

If it's a replica of existing work, then absolutely should have given credit

I assumed it was designed by a FN artist, then converted to mask art by the hockey guy... Kind of a missed opportunity there.

Outrageous? Not really... Malicious/stealing art? Not really... Done in a dumb, insensitive way? Probably could argue that, yeah

[Spoon]

"My grandfather’s totem pole in Stanley Park is one of the most appropriated Indigenous designs anywhere," said Kwakwaka’wakw artist Lou-ann Neel to The Discourse in 2019. "With no acknowledgement that that’s his work... It pains me to see some of the really poor reproductions of it. It’s just troubling to see that."

99% of the people who saw it didn't know who made it or cared. Probably too generous with my numbers. :pokerface:

[68style]

I have to admit, although I think the idea of the mask is cool I thought the thunderbird was the weakest part of it because it looks a bit poorly done... looks like the scared offspring of a parrot that had sex with Sam the Eagle from the Muppets:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/1/16/SamEagle.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120206211308




That said, does his family get offended by every single person who paints that part of Stanley Park or sells a photo that has that totem pole in it? Shit I'd be pretty happy if people were inspired by my work or if they wanted to draw a thunderbird on something the first thing they thought of in their mind was my thunderbird. Is it okay if the Canucks just acknowledge it was inspired by him and leave it at that? Not like they're mass producing it and making money off it...

[bobbinka]

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/artwork-on-custom-hockey-mask-accused-of-cultural-appropriation-canucks-goalie-apologizes-1.5229011

“I wanted to make sure I apologize to anyone I offended. It was definitely not my intent and I definitely learned a valuable lesson through this all and will make sure I’m better moving forward,”

Holtby said that because of the uncertainty around the start of the NHL season his mask design was rushed – and that he will not be wearing it.

“The goal was and still is to include Indigenous artist and try and pick their brain to see how they would design a mask to best represent the history and culture around this area especially because it’s so vast,” he said.

[RiceIntegraRS]

When i was the Canucks IG page when they posted the mask. I did notice that some people (mainly females, surprise surprise) were offended over the mask. Some were offended over the use of artwork, and some were offended that a Native person didnt do the artwork themselves. Like please.... this is the main reason why im slowly removing myself off social media all together

[RRxtar]

Dont hear too many people upset with any of millers masks so I'm assuming this is from the artist wanting credit more than anyone actually being offended. Sprinkled with some typical white guilt from Karens and Susans.

[Hondaracer]

Should just create a new mask and forget it ever happened. The artist can be forgotten once again.

[JesseBlue]

I think he should just paint it gray to represent the weather.

[AzNightmare]

I think he should just paint it gray to represent the weather.

Better be painted by a Vancouverite if it's representing Vancouver weather.

[Ch28]

I think he should just paint it gray to represent the weather.

Should have a giant bleeding heart on his mask and call it a day.

[RiceIntegraRS]

With how soft everyone is nowadays i fear Petey will do something on social media for everyone to turn on him.

[bobbinka]

'Retire the orca', says Indigenous historian who calls Vancouver Canucks logo cultural appropriation

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/12/15/vancouver-canucks-orca-indigenous/

[Hondaracer]

Uhgggggggggggggg

[highfive]

'Retire the orca', says Indigenous historian who calls Vancouver Canucks logo cultural appropriation

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/12/15/vancouver-canucks-orca-indigenous/

Like other Indigenous scholars and activists, Calreton points out a non-Indigenous artist can produce Indigenous-inspired works but the widely-held belief is that such artists should do so only with expressed consent and only if they have a connection to the community.

lol...really? isn't that a bit racist? IMO artists should be free to express their work in their own way. That's why it's art. Nobody asking you to copy some other person's work.

The entire profiting from their "art style"...lol I think the company will profit regardless of whoevers art style. Hell that Chinese NY rat made some money... haha

[Hondaracer]

So change the art style to somthing completely unrelated to native art and never use anything related or even remotely close to it going forward. Never use anything in promotional detail, backgrounds, etc.

Like, I’m not native and I’m making assumptions here but I’d wager that native ppl in BC who are Canucks fans probably take pride in, or are at the very least, indifferent, to the vague reference to native art that exists within the logo..

[Jmac]

It’s one thing when you’re literally ripping off art without permission (like with Holtby’s mask), it’s an entirely different thing when you’re using a style/influence to create original art.

At what point do other art styles like gothic, anime, impressionist, etc. start getting gate-kept?

[Hondaracer]

Bro, those paint splatters on your work pants are getting a little Pollock-esque, did you get permission from his estate?

[68style]

“Paint” splatters :ifyouknow:

[RiceIntegraRS]

Its a double edge sword for me. Im hating how soft everyone has become but on the flip side this is our chance to get rid of anything native which imo has no part in hockey to begin with.

[bobbinka]

we should just use a stock photo of an orca