[murd0c]

I guess it should really be the NHL 2021 thread but talk about an interesting next week, draft free agency and of course the Canucks cap issues. Lets get going boys this is going be a weird one and I can't wait for when ever the season starts.


GO CANUCKS GO

[bobbinka]

Tis the season Loui Eriksson will be traded

[HonestTea]

FIRST PAGE!

[Gumby]

Thanks for starting this thread at the proper time!

[murd0c]

Thanks for starting this thread at the proper time!

OG’s never make that mistake!!

[Hondaracer]

Lol

[spoon.ek9]

Page 1! Good to see the OG's still posting in these threads :thumbsup:

[Tim Budong]

peeposad

[EmperorIS]

Canucks so good.

[MG1]

All is good now. Thread is back to its old self. Started by original Canucks thread starter. In on page one.

You know Canucks are going to win the Stanley Cup now, right?


So who won Lord Stanley's Cup this year? Seriously. After Canucks are finished, I don't watch a lick of hockey.

Just like The World Series. If Jays get eliminated, I'm out!

[pastarocket]

First page! Go Canucks go!

In Benning we trust. -hoping that he can re-sign our core players and get rid of some dead weight.

Say bye bye to JV?


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[EuterVanWasser]

OMG and the universe is back to normal.

[SkinnyPupp]

go canucks go

[68style]

Glad to be on board! I think Loui is going to the AHL though not getting traded...

[Bouncing Bettys]

Everyone getting in on the first page
https://viclovesoceans12com.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/parkff.gif?w=297&zoom=2

[vash13]

Woot! Finally!

[EvoFire]

Just need to be on pg 1

[snowball]

Go canucks!

[spoon.ek9]

Need that 2020/2021 Canucks calendar to come out asap lol. Too bad no one has any actual idea of what's going to happen next season (yet).

[Not really racist!]

IN

[highfive]

Sign maroon. B2b cups. Lol

[JesseBlue]

I hope to be on page 2

[AzNightmare]

^ LOL.
First.

[Jmac]

First page!

[Kilinim]

In!

[TOS'd]

2nd page rip

[murd0c]

OMG and the universe is back to normal.

I thought we needed that this year :fuckyea:

[MG1]

2nd page rip

Son, I'm Disappoint.

Asian motto is, never let anyone beat you out. Always be first. You bring shame to our family name.

Always be in front of line, not at the back. 2nd is only for Senokot commercials.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEgIqbEp0FU

[mb_]

Damnit I missed the 1st page

[JesseBlue]

It's already been a couple of days, no major news yet?

[SkinnyPupp]

Not before "free agent frenzy"

[Expresso]

Was there ever a playoff injury report from the Canucks?

[bobbinka]

is extreme fatigue and exhaustion an injury? :lol

[highfive]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1311746539040264199

I'm down if louie is going back.

OEL can replace Edler's contract after next year.

[bobbinka]

yea, but what would it cost to get him... it's not exactly like we have some real good pieces (we'd be willing to part with) to give back. Also, my guess is that Arizona wants some draft picks, cause they lost all theirs lol

Would you take OEL for Loui + JV + Brock?

[Sw0op]

Brock wont be part of it...they'd want youth...and a youth dman..so itll likely be rathbone/juolevi as a core peice but he should go for around what Subban went for last year i guess

As much as his contract sucks if he is declining he can replace Edler after this year and if you can move LE its probably worth it on the short term?

OEL/Hughes
Edler/Myers
UFA/Plug

but after next year you'll probably have ~$55M in 8 players (OEL/Hughes/Myers/Petterson/Horvat/Miller/Boeser/Toffoli) assuming Toffoli signs for ~$5M per and Hughes/Pettersson get ~$9M per...leaving $26M for the bottom half of your lineups + goalies...I guess that's do-able?

[highfive]

No way to Brock. Advantage isn't with Arizona now. Teams who may pay up for him such as Edmonton is on the no trade list for OEL.

Arizona needs to clear money as they're bleed. Other teams in the league might not be making a lot. Good thing for Aqua and his blueberries. lol

We can give Arizona louie now who's an asset as his cap hit is way less than what they're going to pay him now. Louie is an asset now to Arizona imo. Playable player at $6 mil caphit for 2 year but paying him half of that? lol Louie is great for cheapass teams

[Obsideon]

Damn 2nd page ...
https://media1.tenor.com/images/e268af2fbe68a64f94586539c57dba53/tenor.gif?itemid=3983540

[Mike Oxbig]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1311746539040264199

I'm down if louie is going back.

OEL can replace Edler's contract after next year.

If some how we can unload Myers + __ then sure.

It will be
Hughes OEL
Edler Severson (Ray Ferraro request)
stay home D 1 / stay home D 2

[Jmac]

OEL is a left side dman who doesn’t play on his off side (there are many articles about how much all of Arizona’s left-shot dmen struggled when Demers was injured in 18-19 and they had to experiment with two LHD on their off sides)

Hughes has also spent basically zero time on his off side and banking on him to keep up his level of play in his sophomore season while playing an unfamiliar position is a recipe for disaster.

The Canucks already have Hughes (who is a year away from a big payday) and Edler on the left side, so you’d have to think Edler would be moved if they’re going to make this move.

From the sounds of it, we will probably lose Tanev and Stecher which leaves only Myers and Benn (playing his off side) on the right side.

Arizona also wants a 1st and a 2nd to recoup the picks they lost for cheating the combine. This team isn’t good enough to be spending back-to-back 1sts on veterans especially when they’re in the midst of the worst cap crunch they’ve ever had.

I’d love to get OEL but only if we’re going to get a sweetheart deal from Arizona (which we won’t).

[Obsideon]

If we can dump some of the baggage like Sutter, Beagle, Ferland and Roussel along with Loui and add draft picks?
But 7 years is a long time for a 29 year old ...

[Jmac]

If we can dump some of the baggage like Sutter, Beagle, Ferland and Roussel along with Loui and add draft picks?
But 7 years is a long time for a 29 year old ...
Arizona wants to:
- shed salary
- acquire NHL-ready or near NHL-ready prospects
- acquire draft picks, especially early-round picks

None of these things are consistent with taking on several garbage contracts.

[Expresso]

Yea I can't see this deal happening either. Loui is out in 2 years and we will finally be free of that anchor. If you bring in OEL, you are stuck with his $8.25M cap hit for 7 years and he's 29 now. He probably has 3-4 good years left at most. If you thought the Myer's contract was bad, imagine adding another aging defenseman with an even bigger cap hit.

I rather keep the money for Hughes/Pettersen cause they are going to get paid.

[highfive]

Arizona wants to:
- shed salary
- acquire NHL-ready or near NHL-ready prospects
- acquire draft picks, especially early-round picks

None of these things are consistent with taking on several garbage contracts.

Louie and Beagle are paid less than their cap right now.

I think Arizona might do that. They're bleeding money.

OEL dumps $50 mil out for the next 70 years.

I'm hoping a Louie, Virtanen, and prospect aside from hoglander or podkozin.

[Sw0op]

If you can convert those anchor contracts in to something useful might as well

OEL would probably be the best dman we ever had in the franchise (aside from Hughes)

Plus in order to compete this team probably needs 2 more top 4 dmen and that would be hard if no one is willing to take eriksson, sutter, beagle, baert

[punkwax]

Being shortlisted as one of only two teams OEL would waive his NMC for is a huge bargaining chip. That said, I hope we don’t take that contract on unless it’s a sweetheart deal. That money is much better spent on Pietrangelo if possible.

[68style]

Pietrangelo wants $10 mill a season!

[Sw0op]

Pietro is the better D but how are you going to fit him in even if you beat out the likes of TML and LVGK?

Anyone with a high salary needs to be offset with one of our anchors...there’s $14m available to be spread around like 5 spots which is why OEL should be entertained if they can take back some dead weight cuz even to get rid of such dead weight would cost probably at least a 2nd or a virtanen

[punkwax]

OEL gets paid $8.25 and would play 2nd line behind Huggy. Pietro is better and a righty. Screams no brainer to me.

Don’t think he’s going to come here though so this is all speculation.

[bobbinka]

ARI put Grabner on waivers for buyout.... Maybe getting ready for something, like taking on multiple bad contracts :derp:

[Jmac]

Grabner, 3 good seasons over 10 years since leaving the Canucks, all in contract years, and people still bitch about how we traded him. Dude made Virtanen look like he had the work ethic of the Sedins when he was here.

[Hondaracer]

Never played a prominent role on any team he played for, was never an impact player, was probably overpaid for his contributions after he left the Canucks

One of the few players they let go that worked out

Pretty interesting to hear the take on free agency and all these owners wanting to dump salary. Canucks are in a pretty good position imo because the aqualinis have probably continued to grow wealth during Covid while some other owners in the league have basically lost huge chunks of income

[jerche]

OEL refusing to expand his NTC. Going to be sticking with BOS/VAN. That's some huge bargaining power for us.

[Blah_Teggie]

Connor McDavid has tested positive for Covid-19

[68style]

Grabner, 3 good seasons over 10 years since leaving the Canucks, all in contract years, and people still bitch about how we traded him. Dude made Virtanen look like he had the work ethic of the Sedins when he was here.

Remember when he was on NYI and posting online about going to McDonalds every night hahaha

[pastarocket]

The NHL draft is today at 4pm.

[68style]

I have trouble seeing us keep Markstrom and Demko... Markstrom if he takes a hometown discount is going to want a full NTC for 5 years minimum and Demko isn’t going to do the backup thing for 5 years... and Markstrom’s value is even higher after the Lehner deal he’s the only super legit #1 available...

Unpopular move for fans and it makes me sad, but I almost feel like we have to say bye to Markstrom and sign a vet backup. People don’t trust Demko yet despite his playoff performance but who the hell trusted Markstrom when he got here from Florida either?

[bobbinka]

https://twitter.com/DhaliwalSports/status/1313541428757159936

at this point, he might as well just take Boston off his "list"

[Hondaracer]

Boeser and Louie for OEL

[Sw0op]

not for OEL...for a RH Dman like Ekblad with a lower caphit than OEL yes..

but doesnt matter as we need Boes esp since Toffoli seems like he's gone now

[bobbinka]

Just watch... OEL trade doesnt happen, we can't offload our bad contracts, we can't re-sign our own guys going UFA (Markstrom, Toffoli, Tanev), and then we over pay for other free agents.

:lol

[Hondaracer]

Just watch... OEL trade doesnt happen, we can't offload our bad contracts, we can't re-sign our own guys going UFA (Markstrom, Toffoli, Tanev), and then we over pay for other free agents.

:lol

Honestly this seems like the most likely scenario.

I’d give up Boeser for the right player, I’m not sold on him ever since his injury and he’s never really shown he can elevate his game. Clearly he isn’t anywhere close to the level of EP or Hughes but I’m just not sold on him long term with what I’ve seen. And given his bridge deal I think there is value there to other teams

[highfive]

Vegas is apparently attaching a 2nd rounder to a 50% retained cap to get rid of fleury. If i were JB, i bet my money on Demko and Fleury if Markstrom won't go down on his price.

Save $1 mil at least vs Markstrom.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Vegas is apparently attaching a 2nd rounder to a 50% retained cap to get rid of fleury. If i were JB, i bet my money on Demko and Fleury if Markstrom won't go down on his price.

Save $1 mil at least vs Markstrom.

Id do that aswell as long as we get to exposed MAF in the expansion draft. Its a win win for us

[spoon.ek9]

MacEwan just re-signed for 2 years ($825k per). I like it, he's got some good potential.

[Expresso]

Id do that aswell as long as we get to exposed MAF in the expansion draft. Its a win win for us

MAF has a limited NTC, so you need him to agree to everything be able to accomplish that.

[highfive]

NTC is ok right?

it's just a nmc that prevents it?

[pastarocket]

Toffoli is gone. He is going to free agency.

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/canucks-hockey/report-tyler-toffoli-will-head-to-free-agency-due-to-canucks-cap-crunch-2772042?fbclid=IwAR1UXOiVexCdQeoiHHMXtbCx3JwmuGg6r 1alOVnnjD6j9zBmrwDgrqJhItw


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[highfive]

Burkie is the goat...lol hey brian, this is the best way to rebuild right? Burkie: yeah if you want to call winning the lottery twice...haha

[pastarocket]

Senators got the Jeopardy game show host Alex Trebek to announce their first round pick.

-so jelly. :mad:

FYI. Trebek graduated from the U. of Ottawa.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/jeopardy-alex-trebek-senators-nhl-draft-pick?fbclid=IwAR2tn0ZZgdwr2R5suCCDgt7rh9KJaIDNnYFm xQnx6HTV_KS6_N3c45lmC04


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[snowball]

Alex Trebek is one of the greatest Canadians who has ever lived. I hope him all the best in his fight against stage 4 cancer.

[68style]

Fuck what were we doing giving up assets getting a rental like Toffoli our cap situation wasn’t exactly a mystery

[Alpine]

And paying 3M for 3rd/4th line/PK grinders comes to bite us in the butt again.

[mb_]

https://twitter.com/penguins/status/1313865031197634567?s=20

[68style]

Hahahahah Murray is gonna cry

[Liquid_o2]

And paying 3M for 3rd/4th line/PK grinders comes to bite us in the butt again.

Agreed. I don't understand how GMJB and his team projected their cap when they were signing Roussell, Ferland, Sutter, Beagle, Benn?

I am totally fine with giving up a 2nd rounder and Madden for Toffoli, but he has to be re-signed. Looks really bad as a rental.

My prediction? Canucks are going to dump all their money into Markstrom and lose valuable pieces such as Toffili and Tanev making us very thin on depth. Our 3rd and 4th lines are sinking us.

[CRS]

Agreed. I don't understand how GMJB and his team projected their cap when they were signing Roussell, Ferland, Sutter, Beagle, Benn?

I am totally fine with giving up a 2nd rounder and Madden for Toffoli, but he has to be re-signed. Looks really bad as a rental.

My prediction? Canucks are going to dump all their money into Markstrom and lose valuable pieces such as Toffili and Tanev making us very thin on depth. Our 3rd and 4th lines are sinking us.

I think we'll let Marky walk if he doesn't agree. Spend the rest of the money accordingly since Petey and Quinn coming up on their next contracts soon.

[murd0c]

I honestly think the Canucks should take MAF from Vegas since they are going to take half of his salary. It would be perfect at only 3.5 a year and he's still a great goalie and will help with Demko becoming the #1 in the next couple of years.

[Liquid_o2]

I think we'll let Marky walk if he doesn't agree. Spend the rest of the money accordingly since Petey and Quinn coming up on their next contracts soon.

If Markstrom walks, I can't see why they wouldn't sign Taffoli and Tanev.

Sutter, Benn, and Baertschi come off the books after next year. So will Ryan Spooner's buyout. That is about $10 million right there. Hopefully Ferland either retires or goes on LTIR and give us more wiggle room. That will hopefully open up enough $$$ to sign Petey and Hughes to their contracts.

[bobbinka]

Our draft pick, Joni Jurmo, is Brock and Petey combined. Superstar confirmed.

https://i.redd.it/vwc5duet2qr51.jpg

[Bouncing Bettys]

No QO for Stecher. Markstrom could be headed to the Oilers. Wouldn't mind either on the Leafs.

[Sw0op]

love the heart and will Stetcher has but he's too expensive for a 3rd pair guy and his size really limits him...need to move on if we are going to improve

[68style]

Benning didn’t qualify in other instances where they re-signed players... I think he will be back

[RiceIntegraRS]

Stetcher is the perfect #5 guy for our team. Im hoping the reason why were not qualifying him is because were gonna sign him for less..... but apparently no one has any faith in Jimbo to do that

[Hondaracer]

These other shit deals make not qualifying Troy then offering him another deal such a slap in the face. Like imo Troy is a more useful player than a beagle, Erickson, etc. But you can’t pay him even the qualifying offer because of all the other shit contracts

[bobbinka]

many teams arent qualifying their RFAs. that's the world of flat cap.

if you qualify them, they can go to arbitration, which means they get even more than the qualifying offer.

[Obsideon]

Paying $17.25 million for a group of 4th line grinders on the decline ... le sigh

Sutter, Brandon - $4,375,000
Ferland, Micheal - $3,500,000
Baertschi, Sven - $3,366,666
Roussel, Antoine - $3,000,000
Beagle, Jay- $3,000,000

Really biting us in the ass right now. Could really have used that cap to sign the players we really needed while giving the youngsters some sheltered playing time.

[tr0ubl3s0m3x]

^^ don't forget that Bobby Lu 3 million penalty! I've always had a feeling that Lu knew that would happen to the Canucks, so it was his final dagger to the organization for treating him that way

[68style]

That was a coach decision and if treating him poorly means giving him $64 million dollars and making him captain despite how ridiculous it was, well, sign me up for some abuse

[BlackV62K2]

That was a coach decision and if treating him poorly means giving him $64 million dollars and making him captain despite how ridiculous it was, well, sign me up for some abuse

actualharmoniouschicken

[Jmac]

Skaters - AAV vs Basic Stats over past 2 seasons (Min. 10 GP played in 19-20 and Min. 35 GP combined, ranks divided into forwards and defensemen)

https://scontent.fcxh2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/120909729_275030350236092_7976770723982352802_n.pn g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=f-ksMnO-YAMAX_7ZQo4&_nc_ht=scontent.fcxh2-1.fna&oh=de8a7a38d6da1f830965cb6fe3b3a514&oe=5FA57A54

https://scontent.fcxh2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/120883599_1710500895781531_5537786893361158270_n.p ng?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=dIw6JireErMAX89-CR1&_nc_ht=scontent.fcxh2-1.fna&oh=f98b5632eaea4cc5b5957a9807e15438&oe=5FA35330

[Infiniti]

Paying $17.25 million for a group of 4th line grinders on the decline ... le sigh

Sutter, Brandon - $4,375,000
Ferland, Micheal - $3,500,000
Baertschi, Sven - $3,366,666
Roussel, Antoine - $3,000,000
Beagle, Jay- $3,000,000

Really biting us in the ass right now. Could really have used that cap to sign the players we really needed while giving the youngsters some sheltered playing time.

Can we just hand Benning his walking papers already..

[highfive]

Surprised they didn’t buy out sutter and baerstchi contracts. Maybe the oel trade is coming

[Sw0op]

buyout deadline is tomorrow @ 5pm ET...guess we'll know one way or the other about buyouts/OEL by then

[spoon.ek9]

I'm surprised no one noticed JV was given a QO. Stecher as mentioned above was not given one. Now, I wonder if they gave JV the QO so that prospective teams know exactly what they'll have to pay him. With Stecher, there's an outside chance that he could sign for less than what the QO would have been, saving the team some money. Flat cap era, we don't know what the outcome will be just yet. Question is, is GMJB smart enough to have done these things? :lol

[Sw0op]

I'm surprised no one noticed JV was given a QO. Stecher as mentioned above was not given one. Now, I wonder if they gave JV the QO so that prospective teams know exactly what they'll have to pay him. With Stecher, there's an outside chance that he could sign for less than what the QO would have been, saving the team some money. Flat cap era, we don't know what the outcome will be just yet. Question is, is GMJB smart enough to have done these things? :lol

Or they are hoping he can step in to the top 6 role as they can’t sign toffoli?

Unless he’s part of the OEL offer..

[bobbinka]

you'd also qualify if the player would have value to other teams, so you could still trade them. JV has value

[spoon.ek9]

If they think JV can be a consistent top 6 forward, they shouldn't be in charge of this team... pretty sure they aren't that dumb.

[bobbinka]

NJ puts Schneider on waiver for buyout

[Jmac]

JV was on pace for 42 points and his QO was $1.4M. That’s good value regardless of his other issues. I think he has enough issues that the Canucks will have a good case against him in arbitration should it get that far.

Stecher had a QO of $2.325M and he was in the same position as Hutton was. Used as a top 4 dman but really more of a 3rd pair guy. The arbitration award has to be above a certain amount or the team can’t walk away from it, so Canucks didn’t want to risk it. I get it but, as has been said many times, the garbage contracts have forced us to risk good players on the open market.

This post season may very well be the peak of the Benning era which is sad af given the high-end talent we now have. Self inflicted wounds.

[Expresso]

^I have the same concerns. Throw on a flat cap with all that money tied to 3rd/4th line players how does he expect to improve the team.

[whitev70r]

NJ puts Schneider on waiver for buyout

Sorry to see Schneider's career spiral downwards after Canucks. He has lots of $$ coming to him after buyout but still, in terms of professional career, would have liked to see him succeed. Hopefully, he can find a good backup role somewhere.

If Oilers or Flames pick up Markstrom, he will have one hell of a chip on his shoulder when he plays Canucks !! But I get that he can't get the kind of $$ here vs. with Oilers or Flames. I think Markstrom will do either of those teams a LOT of good with steady night in and night out goaltending.

[EuterVanWasser]

Jet Black Jim can't win.

I think it's fair to say no one saw the Canucks getting this good, this quickly. Three and four seasons ago they HAD to offer longer term and higher money to get any free agent to sign here as the Canucks weren't a destination team in any regard.

Roussel and Beagle and Sutter's deals don't look great, but, layer in Lou's retirement recapture and an unexpectedly flat cap and they're suddenly buggered. I guess I'm still a glass half full guy with Benning. The Hawks just let Corey Crawford walk.. many many teams are in trouble right now with cap issues.

Every GM has contract gaffs, yet few GMs can load up on young talent as consistently as Benning has. The youth core has me suddenly interested in the Canucks like I was back in 2007 / 2008.

[Sw0op]

Jet Black Jim can't win.

I think it's fair to say no one saw the Canucks getting this good, this quickly. Three and four seasons ago they HAD to offer longer term and higher money to get any free agent to sign here as the Canucks weren't a destination team in any regard.

Roussel and Beagle and Sutter's deals don't look great, but, layer in Lou's retirement recapture and an unexpectedly flat cap and they're suddenly buggered. I guess I'm still a glass half full guy with Benning. The Hawks just let Corey Crawford walk.. many many teams are in trouble right now with cap issues.

Every GM has contract gaffs, yet few GMs can load up on young talent as consistently as Benning has. The youth core has me suddenly interested in the Canucks like I was back in 2007 / 2008.

this....the canucks trajectory is ahead of schedule by 1-2 years which is when those contracts should expire...who would have thought Pettersson/Hughes would be top 10/20 players in their respective positions after their first year or 2 in the league??

..it sucks that we're in this position but so are other teams too...

BTW - has anyone seen NYR's cap hits? they have $13M tied up this year in dead money via buyouts (players that dont even play for them anymore)

[SumAznGuy]

Don't forget Ottawa didn't QO Anthony Dulcair.
Guy scored 23 goals and 17 assist in the shortened season. Crazy times.

[murd0c]

Don't forget Ottawa didn't QO Anthony Dulcair.
Guy scored 23 goals and 17 assist in the shortened season. Crazy times.

he didnt score in his last 29 games as well.

[Jmac]

he didnt score in his last 29 games as well.
He had 2 goals in the final 29.

[68style]

I think Benning should stay forever as the guy in charge of the drafting but his GM side has been either good or awful and the awful is preventing us from taking the next step now which pretty much nixes the good

[SumAznGuy]

So did GMJB buyout anyone's contract?

[bobbinka]

if nothing happens, this is the biggest f'in tease

[Expresso]

So did GMJB buyout anyone's contract?

Nope, but then again we didn't really have any good candidates.

[murd0c]

He had 2 goals in the final 29.

well shit but 2 isn't much thats for sure

[roastpuff]

And nothing happens, what a tease. Oh well, now we get to keep Marky?

[mb_]

All that OEL hype and nothing -_- on the bright side, glad Benning held his ground and didn't throw a ridiculous offer to get OEL

[Sw0op]

and Marky too! that term and AAV for us would be too much

welcome to vancouver Holtby!

[punkwax]

Holtby ehhh.. later Marky.

[winson604]

Like the deal, I think everyone knew Marky would not be coming back not because he didn't want to but her probably wanted money and term and we were probably only able to offer 1 of the 2 or neither. Holtby as a plan B I'm ok with, the money and term are both good. Good start imo.

[murd0c]

I'm happy with us getting Holtby, I've always wanted Demko to be the starter and for a 2x4.5 term for Holtby its fair in my books and helps get Demko to get ready to be the starter. I also think a big reason why Marky is playing so well is because of Ian Clark, I wouldnt be surprised if his play drops off real quick just like what happened with bobrovsky.

[Hondaracer]

he better be getting 5.5+ and term from someone else then..

if he signs for like 5/5 or 6/4 I think we fucked up

I like Demko but the way Markstrom had been playing in the last year or so was showing huge upside

hate to be that cynical fan but is the plan to lose Markstrom, miss on OEL, lose Toffoli, and start praying?

[winson604]

he better be getting 5.5+ and term from someone else then..

if he signs for like 5/5 or 6/4 I think we fucked up

I like Demko but the way Markstrom had been playing in the last year or so was showing huge upside

Yea, in my mind our max was always around the 5/5 or 6/4 so if I don't see him getting at least 6/6 or something I'll wonder wtf did we do wrong? With that said, it also comes down to who you see and or want to be the future? Dollars aside Marky or Demko. I guess it's a nice problem to have to have options though.

[sonick]

AAV for marky and holtby are pretty similar, but sounds like Marky wanted term that Benning wasn't open to giving; 4 yr vs 2 yrs

EDIT: nvm, apparently fake account reported 4 year deal (4.5M AAV) for Markstrom. Actual contract still TBD.

[Sw0op]

so you're saying Marky is going ot sign for 7 x 4.3M per?

reports are saying his AAV is going to be around 6M per

[spoon.ek9]

speculation is Marky to Calgary for 7 years. Details have not been confirmed just yet.

seems like we're losing Tanev and Toffoli on top of Marky today. Gonna be real different next year. Curious to see what else happens.

[68style]

Ugh I never liked Holtby’s attitude or body language in the net, I hope he proves me wrong :(

[spoon.ek9]

I can only think of him as a stop gap as Demko gets acclimated to a larger workload. Also, they can expose Holtby for expansion draft.

[invader]

Holtby will be exposed in expansion draft

[Durrann]

Will be interesting next season!

[bobbinka]

I cant believe Matt Murray got 6.25mil/yr. I hope Markstrom gets something similar from whichever team he goes to

[68style]

Ottawa literally can't do anything right, I feel so sorry for their fanbase LOL

[BlackV62K2]

Watch Markstorm goes to a division rival team and plays lights out against the Canucks everytime....In b4 40+ save games against the Canucks. Edit: We need to be able to put up that many shots first lol FeelsBadMan

[Expresso]

Watch Markstorm goes to a division rival team and plays lights out against the Canucks everytime....In b4 40+ save games against the Canucks. Edit: We need to be able to put up that many shots first lol FeelsBadMan

All the rumors say Calgary lol.

[Sw0op]

Watch Markstorm goes to a division rival team and plays lights out against the Canucks everytime....In b4 40+ save games against the Canucks. Edit: We need to be able to put up that many shots first lol FeelsBadMan

but you'll know we'll score at least 1 goal against him cuz he always has a hard time holding on or getting a shutout

[PiuYi]

this is weird.... first day of free agency and I ain't mad...

[PiuYi]

he better be getting 5.5+ and term from someone else then..

if he signs for like 5/5 or 6/4 I think we fucked up


It's possible though if he held out too long and ran out of options right? think GMJB wanted to get it done right off the bat, so if marky said he wants to weigh his options GMJB's making the offer to holtby

[murd0c]

I find it funny everyone is getting pissed off with Benning for not making moves when people have been pissed at him for making moves in the past. I think the moves he hasn't made are the moves he should of so that works out in my books.

[Sw0op]

6x6 for Marky

decent but not for the Canucks with Demko on the wings and expansion draft coming up.

[6thGear.]

I'm glad Hotlby is only signed for 2 years. That'll leave breathing room come Petey Hughes and Boeser(if he's still around) when their contracts are up. Marky wanting term wouldve fucked us in a few years

[bobbinka]

6 x 6 is too much for us with a flat cap. I could see giving him 6 mil if it was for 2 years, but he would have never taken that.

[Obsideon]

Everyone's knee jerk reaction on the other websites was amusing.
"OMFG what a downgrade! Fire Benning!"
"Holtby sucks I'm not watching Canucks next year!"
"Lundqvist only got $1.5m wtf our team is doomed!"

:facepalm:

[Obsideon]

I like that this car forum actually has more sensible Canucks fans than the dedicated sports boards lol ...
6x6 is way too much and depending on Demko's development we could have been strapped with another Luongo/Schneider situation.

[68style]

^
Really? The comments on the sportsnet article were highly complimentary... even one guy said “I’ll use any excuse to throw Benning under the bus but even I like this move”

[bobbinka]

I only wish we could've offloaded a few bad contracts for OEL. If he pulled that off, he would've been a god. Cause what are we going to do now to get rid off Loui and/or Sutter?

[pastarocket]

I only wish we could've offloaded a few bad contracts for OEL. If he pulled that off, he would've been a god. Cause what are we going to do now to get rid off Loui and/or Sutter?


If only OEL can reconsider his self imposed deadline of October 9th to be traded. I think Arizona GM would still listen to Benning’s
Offers.

Ger rid of that Swedish meatball, Benning!!


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[Liquid_o2]

I love Markstrom, but not for 6x6. Have to spend the money elsewhere. Holtby saves us $1.7 million annually over the next two years compared to Markstrom. Valuable money that can maybe re-sign Tanev??

[Sw0op]

If only OEL can reconsider his self imposed deadline of October 9th to be traded. I think Arizona GM would still listen to Benning’s
Offers.

Ger rid of that Swedish meatball, Benning!!


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the deadline didnt mean anything really...the hold up was the prospect involved...ARZ wanted Demko/Podko/Hoglander (i think)...and we werent willing to give up either so they can remove the deadline and keep negotiating but means no difference if we aren't giving up those 3 guys

[bobbinka]

the deadline didnt mean anything really...the hold up was the prospect involved...ARZ wanted Demko/Podko/Hoglander (i think)...and we werent willing to give up either so they can remove the deadline and keep negotiating but means no difference if we aren't giving up those 3 guys

It does if Arizona caves and says, alright we'll take Lind instead, but OEL says nope, too bad, time's up.

[Sw0op]

It does if Arizona caves and says, alright we'll take Lind instead, but OEL says nope, too bad, time's up.

yea how did that work out this morning..?

they dont really have any motivation to deal him this season...his $$ owed this year is like 4M or something...its next year where it gets high

[Liquid_o2]

OEL said he won't move after today. He has NTC and instituted the deadline. So the deal is likely dead in the water.

[bobbinka]

yea how did that work out this morning..?

they dont really have any motivation to deal him this season...his $$ owed this year is like 4M or something...its next year where it gets high

it didnt happen this morning. we know this. The point is that if the deadline didnt exist, things could still happen now or going forward. I don't know why this needs to be argued. Free agency changes the landscape.

They don't have the motivation to deal him this season? :rukidding:

[whitev70r]

Anyone know why the Oilers were out on Markstrom? They could use a steady goalie.

[SkinnyPupp]

Nice to get a Stanley Cup winning goalie in Holtby! SeemsGood

And re-signed Motte

[Hondaracer]

6X6 was too rich and too risky

Good for Markstrom, took him a long time to get where he is and to risk taking 4X5 or somthing with less overall money from the Canucks isnt doing you much good for your family in the big picture, could have been a 10 mil difference over the term of the contract.

Gotta get paid

[Teriyaki]

10m will certainly buy a lot of Canada Goose Jackets for those cold nights in Calgary

[bobbinka]

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1314680948231897094

Yea, definitely dont like that... It's buyout proof. Doesnt say on there, but I believe there's a full NMC for all 6 years. Good for him, but not good for the team.

https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/1314625552930623488

It's like they're saying... go ahead, Seattle. Pay for him if you want.

Holtby turned down a better offer from Oilers. Ian Clark was a big reason to come here.
GMJB made offer to Tanev. He'll decide by tomorrow morning.
GMJB says he will circle back to Toffoli if he can offload money (good luck, buddy)

[whitev70r]

Still no takers on Loui Erikkson?

[wreck]

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/attachments/4hz9ft-jpg.371714/

[highfive]

Good on Benning not doing that. I think he learned from the Vegas expansion and not be exposed.

If we signed Markstrom, we could easily face a pittsburgh scenario with Fleury/Murray issue.


Krug signed with Blues so AP might be going somewhere else now?

It would be sick if we can move some money out and sign AP.

[spoon.ek9]

It's like they're saying... go ahead, Seattle. Pay for him if you want.

Holtby turned down a better offer from Oilers. Ian Clark was a big reason to come here.
GMJB made offer to Tanev. He'll decide by tomorrow morning.
GMJB says he will circle back to Toffoli if he can offload money (good luck, buddy)

That's fucking hilarious, made me lol. It also functions as a "yeah, they can try but we want you here" message to Holtby.

It's great to see that players took notice of what our team and franchise are moving towards. Exciting hockey, huge potential, and growing success have made us a destination to look forward to again. So long as players can handle to local fervor surrounding the team that is :smug:

[spoon.ek9]

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/attachments/4hz9ft-jpg.371714/

exactly why we couldn't sign that kind of contract for marky even though he totally deserves it and everyone loves having him on the team. business end of things combined with covid era.

[AzNightmare]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/trevor-linden-trade-tree-markstrom-canucks

Trevor Linden 'trade tree' comes to an end as Markstrom leaves Canucks

[pastarocket]

Tanev signs with Calgary. 4 years at 4.5 million per season.

-from Sportsnet:

Hours after signing Jacob Markstrom, Flames GM Brad Treliving inks defenceman Chris Tanev to a four-year contract worth $4.5 million per season.

The Canucks' best offer to retain Tanev today was reportedly for two years and approximately $4 million per season.


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[68style]

Who knew Calgary wanted to BE us soooo bad hahaha

[Blah_Teggie]

It’s Calgary’s revenge for us taking Sven and Granlund back in the day. Looks like they got us back!

[spoon.ek9]

Can't blame the vets looking for job security and "final" pay outs I guess. Also business side of things here. Wtf is our defense going to look like now??

[bobbinka]

This one's gonna hurt us... not only because he was so good on defence, but it also means JB will likely go all-in on Tyson Barrie.

On the other hand, I don't think Flames are going to get what they think they're going to get. He had a good season without any injuries because he played with Hughes, and Hughes' possession time was through the roof. He was getting stapled to the boards a lot less compared to the prior years.

[highfive]

No money to sign Barrie. Only $8 mil to fill the rest of the line up.

[Sw0op]

there's like $3-$4M available to comfortably fit a top 4 dman...but it sounds like Barrie is asking a lot and more than that

[68style]

Sucks if there’s still no crowds when Calgary comes in to town, they both deserve the minute+ standing O they should get

[mb_]

Long shot but let's go Petro! :troll:

[highfive]

Ppl online was like well have fun Calgary paying marky and Tanev $10 mil a year for the next four years. I’m thinking well we’re doing that with suter and Louie. Lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Really sucks to lose Tanev

[BlackV62K2]

Damn it's gonna suck even more losing to the lames now. Who moves up to Tanev's spot now

[68style]

Brenden Dillon maybe? Saw some talk about him being a Surrey boy

Never mind just saw he signed with Washington... boo

[Jmac]

Both contracts are 2 years too long, but I’d rather have bad contracts for good players than bad contracts for mediocre/bad players. Too bad we already have too many of the latter to afford the former.

[Jmac]

Brendan Dillon maybe? Saw some talk about him being a Surrey boy
He re-signed with Washington a few days ago.

[68style]

I kind of hope the Canucks are at least talking to Jesper Fast, great underrated forward

[6thGear.]

Stecher signs 2 years with Detroit. 1.7avv

[spoon.ek9]

:alone:

[BlackV62K2]

So far the Canucks are a more shit team than last season....ffs. JimDim so good

[spoon.ek9]

something has to be in the works here....

there's no way our top 6 will be:

Hughes, Myers, Edler, Benn, Juolevi/Rafferty/Rathbone/Woo

[Mike Oxbig]

bogosian?

vatanen can run pp2 but hes always injured

ceci? hows his hockey IQ?

[RiceIntegraRS]

I dont mind GMJB not spending any money on 3rd pairing guys when we got prospects who "should" be able to play 10mins a night.

[spoon.ek9]

Problem is Benn absolutely isn't a top 4 D. We healthy scratched him so many times this year and also once or twice in playoffs.

[Hondaracer]

So far the Canucks are a more shit team than last season....ffs. JimDim so good

Substantially worse than last year at this point

If the plan is just to wait until Loui is off the books what a huge boon on the development cycle.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Problem is Benn absolutely isn't a top 4 D. We healthy scratched him so many times this year and also once or twice in playoffs.

I'm surprised we couldnt trade Benn to MTL. They are known to make boneheaded moves

[Jmac]

The no plan plan working to perfection

[spoon.ek9]

well, GMJB has no one to blame but himself for this predicament. Saddled down with poor signings from the ghosts of free agency past.

[BlackV62K2]

When ur bottom 6 makes more than your top 6.....oooof

[TjAlmeida]

Wondering if the lack of action is due to trying to make Toffoli work into the cap.

[Jmac]

Wondering if the lack of action is due to trying to make Toffoli work into the cap.
Unfortunately, Toffoli won’t help us win games with the cardboard cut-outs we’ll be playing on the right sides of Edler and Juolevi.

[Hondaracer]

Letting Troy walk at price is a mistake if the Canucks could have offered the same

[punkwax]

According to Dhaliwal it was more timing than money. Canucks were busy working on Barrie.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TSN1040/status/1314999205929287680

[bobbinka]

Just watch... OEL trade doesnt happen, we can't offload our bad contracts, we can't re-sign our own guys going UFA (Markstrom, Toffoli, Tanev), and then we over pay for other free agents.

:lol

Just waiting for the overpaid free agent...

[68style]

Well we lost Barrie too... only 3.75 for 1 year to the Oil? How did we not match that?

[spoon.ek9]

JB looking like a fool right now. I just heard Flames picked up Domingue too. They really like our players eh?

[CRS]

Well we lost Barrie too... only 3.75 for 1 year to the Oil? How did we not match that?

Because he wanted to play with Connor and Leon.

Can't blame him for wanting to pump his stocks then sign big next season.

[68style]

Because he wanted to play with Connor and Leon.

Can't blame him for wanting to pump his stocks then sign big next season.

Could have done the same or better here... fuck em tho watching Leafs games he was constantly getting pushed around and walked... reaching with his stick... there’s better out there... I mean he couldn’t make hay with Maple Leafs forward group???

[Bouncing Bettys]

bogosian?

vatanen can run pp2 but hes always injured

ceci? hows his hockey IQ?

Bogosian signed with the Leafs - 1yr $1mil.


Ceci is ok on the PK, but not much else. He should be deep on a team's depth chart.

[wreck]

Think this will be enough for the casuals to at least consider the possibility that Benning is a terrible GM?

[SkinnyPupp]

Think this will be enough for the casuals to at least consider the possibility that Benning is a terrible GM?
I think most "casuals" don't want to pretend they know more than GMs of NHL playoff contending teams do (or maybe just me lol)

[wreck]

I think most "casuals" don't want to pretend they know more than GMs of NHL playoff contending teams do (or maybe just me lol)

You’re part of the problem.

[68style]

I’m not happy with some decisions but what you have had him do with this situation? Tanev signed for way too long and way too much $$$ he plays like half the season on average every year and his corsi was massively bumped up by Hughes last season Calgary is going to be hamstring in 3 years on both deals and they’re not going anywhere in the playoffs because their forward group minus Tkachuk doesn’t show up to play.

He made bad deals on the bottom 6 guys but it’s pretty bad luck who knew Sutter was going to come here and be injured more than his entire career or that Ericsson would shit the bed so badly... easy to say in retrospect. I still think Roussel is a good signing he needs to play with Bo though... Beagle shouldn’t have been signed at all so that’s one I would never have done.

[Sw0op]

even if he doesnt sign anyone its good for the kids to play and develop

besides he'll have some cap space which he can weaponize for teams needing/wanting to unload ie Tampa..

and if he does absolutely nothing this year then he's in a comfortable position financially heading in to next year to resign Petey and Huggy

[wreck]

Retrospect?

At the time of said deals many people were legitimately concerned about the long term cap ramifications. Turns out it is all playing out as anticipated.

RFA’s have walked, assets were lost, cap alleviation did not occur.

[MarkyMark]

We're not going to win the cup next year. I'm happy with whatever they can do to get the most experience for our young players while setting us up for better signings in the future.

[Tim Budong]

even if he doesnt sign anyone its good for the kids to play and develop


You develop the youngins in the farm, those missing role/roster spots should go for those who deserve it

there's the exhibition games for that to showcase the kids

[SkinnyPupp]

You’re part of the problem.
I'm not a problem or a solution - I'm a fan. I'll cheer for the team I want to see win, and will be happy for it. If you want to know what it's like being a fan of a team with truly bad ownership, try being a Texans fan right now, or Jets.

Just enjoy what they put on for you, you have no say in who gets signed, traded, bought out, etc. Most of us don't know how things really work between teams, how to manage the cap, how to deal with players who don't play up to expectations that you're now stuck with. It's not that bad. If the Canucks GM was REALLY bad, you'd know. Messier will be here to save the team LUL

[AzNightmare]

Only reason I'm not pissed is because I foresaw Canucks taking a step back this upcoming season. But for the long term, this isn't bad.

We need to wait out for some of the bad contracts to end. A soft reset.

As long as smart moves are made for 2021-22, then I can wait. Not sure if GMJB will still be here though. lol

[bobbinka]

Hindsight is 20/20. Did you guys know about covid too?

[Sw0op]

Hindsight is 20/20. Did you guys know about covid too?

inb4 the "well people were warning others about the affects of Covid"

[AzNightmare]

Hindsight is 20/20. Did you guys know about covid too?

lol, I was visiting Japan in 2019 and wanted to buy these cool looking face masks to fit in. But then I was like Nah, waste of money. I was only there for 2 weeks and when would I ever wear face masks again once I leave Japan...

[whitev70r]

Can Benning buy himself out? Please ...

[highfive]

Honestly, the team lives or die on the performance of the main core guys in petey, boeser, Miller, bo and Hughes. Of all the free agents we lost, marky is the hardest one to lose. But do you want to run into another expansion draft issue like Pittsburgh? Plus you can give that much money out to markstrom for that many years especially with demko coming along.

I think majority ppl here agrees our backend needs upgrading. I think the entire right side actually lol. Our d couldn’t play the same level as Vegas. We need change.

Sucks to lose Tanev and markstrom as they’re the last memories of players linked to the good times of 2011 era.

[68style]

Retrospect?

At the time of said deals many people were legitimately concerned about the long term cap ramifications. Turns out it is all playing out as anticipated.

RFA’s have walked, assets were lost, cap alleviation did not occur.

Who knew the cap was going flat from COVID... be specific: what RFA’s walked? and what assets were lost? Maybe you have legit beefs but just sounds like opinionated ranting when you say it with nothing to back it up...

The “you’re part of the problem” comment above doesn’t make any sense whatsoever... if skinnypupp all the way over in HK says he hates Benning does Benning get fired suddenly? Lol

[BlackV62K2]

I guess the Canucks can only hope for more of the young prospects to come up and play well enough to stay in the lineup to gain more exp. Scratch some of over paid bottom 6 players.

[6thGear.]

I'm pretty sure Benning was willing to let Tanev and Stetcher go if it meant landing OEL. I'm also not sure why some people are all up in arms about losing our UFA's. It wasn't a secret during last season that the roster was going to look a lot different next season due to the cap. Throw in Covid and a flat cap it became pretty inevitable

[bobbinka]

https://twitter.com/Sportsnet650/status/1315014525003853824

:tears:

But then this made me laugh, lol

https://i.redd.it/nht4y692vcs51.jpg

Lots of action still to be had in the trade market

https://twitter.com/mattsekeres/status/1315009166910517250

Also, some players are waiting for the dominoes to fall (Hall and Pietrangelo) before making their decisions

[eclipseman]

Markstrom, Tanev and Stecher will be missed, but their time was up. I think we'll be absolutely fine this upcoming season. Guys like Rafferty, Juolevi and Rathbone will just need to step up. Also plenty of D still available like Vatanen, and we've been tied to Cernak for a few weeks here.

Excited that we have Holtby to be a veteran presence for Demko, along with being expansion bait. Would've lost Demko if Markstrom stayed.

[highfive]

Imagine Benning pull something out of his ass. Able to drop some salary and sign Pietrangelo to replace Tanev.

[spoon.ek9]

we need teams like Ottawa/Arizona to pick up our shit contracts to reach Cap floor in order for anything to be possible it seems.

[spoon.ek9]

I just read that Virtanen has filed for abritration. Imagine the amount of material they'll have to roast this kid during that meeting :lol

If he's looking to get $3mil i'd seriously think about walking away from that decision.

[68style]

You can’t walk away from what the arbitrator decides, it’s binding

[moldex]

We need to sign hamonic even if it's in revenge

[spoon.ek9]

i looked it up, JV won't be getting awarded $4.5+ :okay:

In certain circumstances a team can walk away from an arbitration award, and the player becomes a UFA. Players cannot. Only player-elected arbitration comes with walk-away rights for the team. Teams can also walk away from the second year of two-year awards, which makes the player a UFA at that time.

Only awards higher than $4,538,958 carry walk-away rights in this offseason.

For this season only, the CBA MOU provides a special process for when teams exercise their walk-away rights on a one-year award. The player may, within four days, elect to agree to an SPC with the team on the same terms the team had offered in their arbitration brief.

For example: Ryan Pulock elects arbitration. He asks for $7.5 million and the Islanders offer $5 million. The arbitrator awards him $6.25 million, and the Islanders decide to exercise their walk-away rights. Pulock can, as long as the team elected a one-year term, essentially demand a contract for $5 million instead of becoming a UFA.

[68style]

I think the Canucks are managing their cap based on the assumption he's going to get $3M

[Razor Ramon HG]

JB gonna do some next level play to convince arbitrator he's worth more than 4.5M so we can decline.

Kappa

[bobbinka]

Hall to Buffalo for 1yr at $8 mil

let the dominoes fall

[whitev70r]

^ crappy city tax right there!

[68style]

Hahah Hall is so full of shit saying he wants short term because of the flat cap and that he’s tired of never playing in the playoffs and then he signs in Buffalo??? Lol

[Expresso]

He's there to play with Eichel. If Buffalo doesn't make any progress, Eichel is asking for a trade lol.

[Roach]

Toffoli goes to Montreal 4x$4.25M

Kev

[Mike Oxbig]

How did we not match that?

[68style]

Wtf I feel like we could afford that???

Or are they wanting Hoglander to play here? Seems way too early for him... shit man... nevermind we also lost our second pick and Madden from that deal

[Roach]

As a refresher, the trade with LA was:

VAN: Toffoli

LA: Tim Schaller, Tyler Madden, 2020 second-round pick and a conditional 2022 fourth-round pick.

The conditional 2022 fourth-round pick was based on Toffoli re-signing with the Canucks.

Kev

[68style]

I been defending Benning but at that money he should have been back... this is pretty terrible news. The team is significantly worse going into next season :(

[jerche]

With the Toffoli signing, I feel he never had the intention to stay. There's no way we cannot match that.

[punkwax]

Toffoli was Benning’s job preservation insurance to maintain having a good shot at making the playoffs when Boeser got injured.

He was a somewhat expensive rental that happened to have fit in and paid off more than anticipated. If it weren’t flat cap year Toffoli would’ve stayed IMO.

[spoon.ek9]

With the Toffoli signing, I feel he never had the intention to stay. There's no way we cannot match that.

You missed the part where Toffee stated publicly that he wanted to stay then

[bobbinka]

Balls

[moldex]

7.9m remaining with pending contracts for Virtanen + Guadette + the fact we need at least one more right defencemen tells you exactly why we didn't sign Tofolli. It's a simple numbers game, Benning isn't as dumb as some of you make him out to be.

7.9m - 3m for JV - 2m for AG = 2.9m cap remaining. The fact is we weren't gonna sign any of the UFAs unless some of the bad contracts got moved

[PiuYi]

You missed the part where Toffee stated publicly that he wanted to stay then

Hall also stated he wanted to win :lol players lie

in all seriousness, don't mind these non-signings, keeping flexibility for our core is priority #1

if we sign one of Tanev, Marky, or Toff and lose even more wiggle room for 2021 offseason, THEN we'd really run GMJB out of town

[pastarocket]

Pietrangelo signs a seven year, 61.6 million contract with Vegas.

[Sw0op]

Schmidt to van

[Jmac]

Expensive but a legit top 4 dman for minimal trade assets.

[spoon.ek9]

5 years left at 5.95mil

[Sw0op]

the guy will come in and put 20-30 pounds on Petey and Hughes with his PED's

kidding aside, rather have him than Tanev for ~1.5M more really

[Jmac]

5 years left at 5.95mil
Limited NTC, no signing bonuses.

[spoon.ek9]

dude shoots left, are we banking on the fact that he could play right side or...?

[Sw0op]

dude shoots left, are we banking on the fact that he could play right side or...?

he typically plays the right side...so he'll be an opposite shot RD

[spoon.ek9]

alright, we'll see how he does then.