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winson604 06-18-2009 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MR_BIGGS (Post 6471324)
You have to be..like on the team 1040 poll...its almost a 50 50 split on whether they should be signed barring the numbers are true...

How do u replace 2 ppg players....(yes with 2 other ppg players) but whose available for what they are asking...

Just voted and damn 51% - 49% which to me was a little shocking. I think it might just be the amount of years that have some voting no.

I mean come on people kept speculating they would ask for 7mill and maybe a hometown discount of $6-6.5mill. Now the rumor is WAY lower at 5.25mill which to me is a steal. Plus yes the argument is always ok you don't like or want them which is fine. Then tell me who else would you get that's available in the market that produces the same for that price?

Off topic can't wait for Hoghson!

CRS 06-18-2009 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by winson604 (Post 6471353)
Just voted and damn 51% - 49% which to me was a little shocking. I think it might just be the amount of years that have some voting no.

I mean come on people kept speculating they would ask for 7mill and maybe a hometown discount of $6-6.5mill. Now the rumor is WAY lower at 5.25mill which to me is a steal. Plus yes the argument is always ok you don't like or want them which is fine. Then tell me who else would you get that's available in the market that produces the same for that price?

Off topic can't wait for Hoghson!

Hodgson

stuff99 06-18-2009 09:58 AM

Check out this place for framing: http://www.artconnections.biz/Vancou...cks%20Page.htm

Tim Budong 06-18-2009 10:06 AM

this is waht i mean to front loaded contracts
but really only take a 5.25 hit...

winson604 06-18-2009 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CRS (Post 6471357)
Hodgson

haha yea when I was typing it I was already doubting myself but was too lazy to do a google to confirm. thanks!

Expresso 06-18-2009 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jah Al Zawahiri (Post 6471017)
I have a few reasons but the main reason I'm glad his bid failed is I don't like how Balsillie forces his way in anytime a struggling team is put on the market and says he's going to move the team no matter what the NHL or the board of governors has to say. Remember, he was about to move the Pens a few years back and look at the Pens now.

I don't get why he just doesn't go by the book instead insists on doing whatever he wants. If he really wanted to own a team he could have the Pens already and make good cash from that team. And if one day something doesn't work out he can apply for relocation.

Instead he publicly announces buying teams and moving them at the same time, whos going to sell it to him? The guy definitely needs to step back and buy a team first and deal with relocation later!

Gumby 06-18-2009 12:02 PM

I'm under the impression that GMs, in general, don't like long-term deals. Is that true?

MR_BIGGS 06-18-2009 12:03 PM

I saw this one interview and they asked Gillis about long term contracts...and I know he's against them....I thnk in general most GM's are...

Expresso 06-18-2009 02:33 PM

I don't think anyone really likes long term contracts, but seems like the way to go in a salary cap world.

carisear 06-18-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jah Al Zawahiri (Post 6471017)
I have a few reasons but the main reason I'm glad his bid failed is I don't like how Balsillie forces his way in anytime a struggling team is put on the market and says he's going to move the team no matter what the NHL or the board of governors has to say. Remember, he was about to move the Pens a few years back and look at the Pens now.

from my understanding, he was NOT going to move the pens -- he was quite happy keeping them there, as long as they got a new stadium built. He *HAD* done everything by the books, but then bettman started to strong-arm him to close the deal, without the new-stadium clause. Balsillie being a business man, pulled out at that time, and ever since then, there's been that grudge.

Of course, this is all just what i HEARD -- who knows what really happened.

either way, i'm a fan of balsillie. and hate gary. i'm positive he's doing all the underhanded things to piss of bettman just as much as he wants a team.

Ch28 06-18-2009 04:35 PM

Balsillie isn't going to give up. There is no way they can keep a guy that is so passionate about hockey and has that much money from owning a team.

trip 06-18-2009 06:30 PM

is there anyone who likes bettman?

asahai69 06-18-2009 07:06 PM

^ his own mother probably despises him

7seven 06-18-2009 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by trip (Post 6472081)
is there anyone who likes bettman?

I don't hate or like Bettman, but I find it hilarious how everyone hates him so much when he really takes all his marching orders from the board of governors.

Harvey Specter 06-18-2009 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 7seven (Post 6472134)
I don't hate or like Bettman, but I find it hilarious how everyone hates him so much when he really takes all his marching orders from the board of governors.

+1.

Gt-R R34 06-18-2009 08:12 PM

Question to the Crowd -

Think about the Contract, think about the players.
Do you consider both of them IMPACT players like a zetterberg or a heatley?

Do they deserve those contracts?

Hondaracer 06-18-2009 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 7seven (Post 6472134)
I don't hate or like Bettman, but I find it hilarious how everyone hates him so much when he really takes all his marching orders from the board of governors.

the board of governors dont trot him out and tell him to say everythings fine in PHX when in reality theyve been running the team for 6 months.

MR_BIGGS 06-18-2009 09:44 PM

Anyone watch the NHL awards??

Luongo got boo'ed .....I swear it was those damn Oiler fans......and Chaka? Chaka Khan Chaka Khan...seriously??

Best speech? I'd say Tim Thomas..such a humble guy....or Chara...that big goof..

woob 06-18-2009 09:58 PM

My brother's classmate's (my bro is still in elementary school) dad was the guy who gave out the Fan Fav award. Lucky guy.

ienhz 06-18-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MR_BIGGS (Post 6472348)
Anyone watch the NHL awards??

Luongo got boo'ed .....I swear it was those damn Oiler fans......

Yeah... I'm pretty sure that wasn't booing.

JulyZerg 06-18-2009 10:06 PM

OVECHKIN FOR HART!

Harvey Specter 06-18-2009 10:28 PM

I didn't watch the awards but maybe it was LUUUUUUUUUUUUU?

stuff99 06-18-2009 10:36 PM

The case for and against Sedin Twin super deals. Would you roll the dice?

By Botchford 06-18-2009 COMMENTS(9) The White Towel

At first glance, the identical 12-year, $63 million contracts the Sedins supposedly tabled this week will shock some, turn some heads, and drop some jaws.
Some in Vancouver were feeling high anxiety at the possibility of a six-year term for the pair. You can probably even put GM Mike Gillis in that group as he hasn't offered them anything more than five years.
You can understand why. No one knows exactly how these "super deals" will work out over the long run. They are a new beast.
But some consider the super deals a loophole in the CBA, and one which can be used to build a Stanley Cup contender without significant risk. You can can put Detroit GM Ken Holland in this group.
The genius of his Henrik Zetterberg and Johan Franzen deals are in the details.
Zetterberg's cap hit should be at least $7 million a year. But his 12-year, $73 million deal means Detroit gets him for a $6.08 million-a-year cap hit.
Some will balk at the idea of that cap hit when Zetterberg is in his late 30s.
But in terms of actual dollars, Zetterberg gets just $5.35 million total in the final three years of the deal ($3.35 million, $1 million, $1 million). There's not much chance he will play for that at age 37. So, the most likely scenario is he will retire and those three years, and his cap hit for those three years, will be wiped clean from the books.
Franzen's deal is structured similarly.
This brings us back to the twins and why their reported proposal should be intriguing for the Canucks if structured properly.
Let's say 7, 7, 7, 7, 6.5, 6.5, 6, 6, 5, 3, 1, 1
They can get the Sedins at a bargain cap hit of $5.25 million for eight or nine years. Maybe even lower if the Canucks add another year or negoitate a lower total. Imagine what that could look like if the cap increases in five years and the twins are still productive.
A deal like this would allow Gillis to add important pieces during the next few years, while also giving the team cap room to do things like sign Roberto Luongo and Ryan Kesler to extensions.
Meanwhile, the Canucks make the salary so low in the final three years, the twins aren't likely to play. Even if they wanted to, the team could set itself up with the option of putting them in the minors, to eliminate the cap hit.
Deals like this, however, are not without risk. And it's a big one. If either Sedin suffered a major injury, or a series of smaller ones, it would change everything.
Look how fast Brendan Morrison's game has deteriorated. Or Todd Bertuzzi. Or Jonathan Cheechoo.
Sometimes players see their production fall off even without injuries. See Dany Heatley, Olli Jokinen and Markus Naslund.

In 2002-03, Bertuzzi was the best power forward in the NHL. Naslund was arguably the best player. What would have happened if they signed twin,12-year deals? (Certainly, there would have been more incentive for Naslund to keep playing if he had a deal like that).
If the Sedins, either one, sees production fall off significantly twin super deals could cripple the Canucks.
It's a gamble all right. Are you willing to role the dice?

clowe 06-18-2009 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MR_BIGGS (Post 6472348)
Anyone watch the NHL awards??

Luongo got boo'ed .....I swear it was those damn Oiler fans......and Chaka? Chaka Khan Chaka Khan...seriously??

Best speech? I'd say Tim Thomas..such a humble guy....or Chara...that big goof..

It was Luuuuuuuuuu. Why would they boo the Fan Fav award winner :D

woob 06-18-2009 11:25 PM

pics of Steve Mason's GF?


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