Man, relax. It was a joke. BUT Lou is not as valuable as everyone says he is. There are at least a few goalies that I would have on my team over Lou.

Turco - Any goalie that is good, and supreme at puck handling is the best. How many goalies can make crease to blue passes, tape to tape everytime. Hes like a 3rd D man. 5 guys break out while he makes the pass.

Steve Mason - A young goalie (Like Cory S.) who was givin the #1 in his rookie year and exploded

Tim Tomas - 09 Vezna winner. Case and point.

Martin Brochu - Damn I miss him...



I thought MG biggest mistake was leaving AV in. He is average, and loses respect from his players. If we had won game 4 (I AM NOT BLAMING WILLE MITCHELL) I would not of called him a "genius", more like lucky fucking bastard. Weak coach. Weak team.

Oh and Henrik. Fuck Henrik. I hope they go to Toronto. If we sign them for 6+ years (I know they want 12) god help us.

Just in case you think I a BW jumper... my dads been a season ticket holder since the late 80's, and I basically grew up with them. One time when i was 5 or 6 the Canucks lost in the PC and the place was going nuts. Everyone was super rowdy. I guess one of the trainers was on his way out, and saw me almost get trampled (my dad was oblivously holding my hand) he came over, held my other hand and i noticed that it was freezing cold. I was little and thought nothing, just as we were close to the door i looked up at him and he gave me a big smile and let go of my hand. I looked down and saw that there was a puck in my hand. He gave me the game puck:). I still remember what he looked like. I have been on the Canucks wagon since I can remember and will be till the end.

Tim Thomas over Luongo? You've gotta be kidding me. If any GM made a trade like that, they'd have no career left. And I'm not even a huge Luongo fan either. Personally, I wouldn't even mind trading Luongo for more offense and a lesser decent goalie like Cam Ward or Nicklas Backstrom.

I'd take Lu over Thomas any day.

We need our captain to not be in between the fucking pipes.

IF you were GM, who would you replace teh sedins' 160 points with for 12 mill? You're definitely not gonna get TWO good players with teh point production of the sedins for 12 mill. Joe Thornton who didn't edge out the sedins by much points and he's getting 7.2 mill, Kovalchuck gets 7.5, and jerome iginla is getting 7mill. With Jeff Carter getting 5 mill and Parise about teh same, when their contracts expire and assuming they continue their point production, what do you think they'll get? So, you sign ONE of these players for about 7 mill., 5 mill to get a first line centre that produces the same points as hank is going to be tough.

These guys have higher point production than some guys making a lot more money than they are and they've shown consistency over the years. I have no problem with the contracts that the sedins want besides the length. they're no zetterberg, ovenchicken or crosby, btu then again, detroit IMO took a chance with frazen. But franzen was a beast last year and the end of the year before, especially during playoffs.

thats a moot point, he is the captain in ever sense of the word besides being out of the blue paint.

But without him being Captain, he isn't required to take interviews :)
Capt are required by nhl media by-laws.

Granted he'l have 100 cameras in front of his face anyways.

Lu for Tim Thomas? This is a joke right?

I'm a big fan of Lu.... but sometimes I look at the numbers and I wonder how much an all-star goalie really means these days :(

Flordia w/Luongo:
Between 2000/01 season and 2005/06 season with Lu between the pipes, they averaged 71.2pts per season and missed the playoffs every year.

Florida w/o Luongo:
Since Luongo left and they've had shitty goalies, Florida has averaged 88pts per season (still missed the playoffs) but that's substantially better than when Luongo was there and that's with really shitty goalies like Auld and whatnot.

So one has to wonder, between stuff like this and teams with marginal/lower salary/younger goalies winning the cup every year.... how much does an all-star calibre goalie bring to the table? I think in this day and age you just need a competent goalie and spend the rest of your money and whatnot on D-men and forwards. The era of a Patrick Roy type goalie carrying a team to the Cup is over IMO. We *just* missed with Cloutier and he was absolutely terrible under pressure.

the debate will always be there what to do? well something has to be done cause Schnider is ready for the NHL and nows the time to figure out the future of the canucks tender problem.

when your a 7 million dollar goalie and the cornerstone of a franchise, your going to be interviewed regardless of the C

It's only a matter of time before Schnider starts to be vocal about not having a chance to play in the NHL and that's the last thing the Canucks want. It's a tough choice; try to sign Lu to a long term deal and trade Schnider or trade Lu and keep Schnider.

what are u trying to say all i am saying is as a fan i want what is best for entertainment.....and like i said in my previous post it is not the end of the fukken world if the sedins dont sign here...ya so if they did provide us with 160+ points between the 2 of them....if it is meant to be then it is....im not gonna go and cry bout it like certain people...ya of course they are good players and will be hard to replace but can still be replaced....everyone has their own thing to say it's an open discussion...so whatever...fukk off!!!!

The difference between an all-star $7m/year goalie and a $3m/year goalie is minimal when you look at the stats and not worth the extra $4m/year.

LOL, you're the one who said the Sedins are a couple of bums. You also said you wanted to see them replaced with and I quote, "sumone of a high caliber player". I disagreed that they were bums and backed up why I came to that conclusion with numbers. I then asked you to tell me what high caliber players you would replace them with and the only name you mentioned is Gaborik and although he's a great players he's always hurt. IMO he alone or even combined with any of the other big name UFA's available doesn't make the team better. Your argument was the Sedins aren't worth 6-7 million, what exactly do you think Gaborik and Hossa are going to be looking for? If you're paying the same or more for a couple UFA's are you any further ahead?

I can assure you I'm not going to cry if the Sedins are not resigned. If their not signed, I (as a fan of the team) would rather see the team go in the rebuilding direction. I understand you don't agree with this and thats fine. The ultimate would be somehow signing the Sedins and adding Gaborik lets hope Gillis works his magic and makes it happen.

I don't agree with you and because of that I'm obviously a cry baby or a wannabe GM because clearly your opinion is the only valid one. I mean you have logic pouring out of your soul and really all we need to do is listen to you and all will be well with the world. I'm actually looking forward to getting to work tomorrow and reading some more of your insight. Until then take your own advice and get fucked. :)

$63 million for each Sedin a mind-boggling number that makes perfect sense

It shows team’s best forwards getting creative to solve impasse with team

By Iain MacIntyre, Vancouver Sun columnistJune 22, 2009


The second and third players chosen in the 1999 NHL entry draft, Daniel (left) and Henrik Sedin have spent their entire eight-season careers in Vancouver.

The second and third players chosen in the 1999 NHL entry draft, Daniel (left) and Henrik Sedin have spent their entire eight-season careers in Vancouver.
Photograph by: Jeff Vinnick, NHLI via Getty Images files

Are Daniel and Henrik Sedin really asking for 12-year contracts worth $63 million US?

Let’s hope so because, at the very least, it indicates the Canucks’ best forwards are getting creative to try and solve the contractual impasse that threatens to doom them in Vancouver.

The $63-million demand — as first reported Thursday in Sweden — makes sense mathematically. Neither player agent J.P. Barry nor Canuck general manager Mike Gillis will discuss figures publicly, but the deal’s 12-year average of $5.25 million is about what Vancouver is believed to have had on the negotiating table for months.

Backed by a tonne of irrefutable statistical data placing the Sedins among the National Hockey League’s highest and most consistent scorers since the 2004-05 lockout, Barry figures his clients are worth closer to $7 million annually.

The Canucks moved in recent months on contract length, abandoning demands for short-term deals and entering into talks on five-year agreements. But the team still hasn’t crossed the $6-million threshold in annual salary for the twins, which is why it’s likely Barry countered with the 12-year proposal that grants the Canucks the average they seek, lessening the impact on the team’s salary cap.

“We’ve provided some alternatives that address their issues,” Barry told The Vancouver Sun. “We are exchanging ideas. But we haven’t made the kind of progress we need to get a deal done.”

Lifetime contracts are relatively new to the NHL. Spawned by the salary cup, deals of 10 or 12 years allow teams to lower the annual pay average — the salary-cap “hit,” which is the paramount number.

In January, the Detroit Red Wings signed Henrik Zetterberg, who at 28 is the same age as the Sedins and has comparable offensive numbers since the lockout, to a 12-year, $73-million contract with an average cap hit of $6.1 million.

Zetterberg will actually make an average of $7.5 million for the next nine years. His salary in Year 10 drops to $3.35 million, and the final two years are at $1 million. Nobody expects Zetterberg to hang around for that kind of pocket change at age 40, but including them in the contract allowed Detroit general manager Ken Holland to massage the salary cap.

Another Red Wing, Johan Franzen, signed in April an 11-year extension that pays $36 million over the next seven years before petering out. The cap hit is just $3.96 million.

Similarly, Vince Lecavalier has an 11-year deal that averages $7.7 million, although the Tampa Bay Lightning centre will bank $10 million for each of the next seven years.

No one is saying what the breakdown is in the Sedins’ proposal. Even with a $5.25-million average hit, the Canucks won’t want to pay $7 or $8 million for the next seven or eight years.

“I think the philosophical stuff has been interesting,” Gillis said this week. “But we have to try to come to a reasonable conclusion. We have X-amount of dollars to spend [under a salary cap], and we’re prepared to spend all of it. It becomes an allocation. We have to be careful how we allocate the money.”

Gillis and Barry have disparate interpretations of the financial landscape. Amid the global economic crisis, Gillis envisions a day of reckoning coming for NHL teams and any that commits huge salaries over extended terms will be in peril.

Barry acknowledges financial challenges facing teams, but notes there is no evidence of wage rollback for elite players nor a slackening in demand for them.

Indeed, since the U.S. banking meltdown last fall, the Carolina Hurricanes gave Eric Staal a seven-year contract worth $8.25 million annually, Los Angeles King Anze Kopitar negotiated $6.8-million a season for seven years, and the Colorado Avalanche awarded a five-year deal worth $6.6 million annually to Paul Stastny. And none of them had unrestricted free agency as an option. The Sedins can leave the Canucks on July 1.

As Barry said in March: “The UFA marketplace, especially for elite offensive talent, has always been governed much more by specific supply-and-demand factors among the 30 competing franchises than it is by the general prognosis of North American GDP.”

At this point, with almost no compromise from either side since contract talks began last summer, there seems little chance the Sedins and Canucks will end their standoff.

The second and third players chosen in the 1999 draft, Daniel and Henrik have spent their entire eight-season careers in Vancouver.

Somehow, Gillis remains hopeful there will be a ninth season for them.

“I think they’re very good players who are very good people and fit with the type of image and type of team we want to have,” he said. “So I’m hopeful because I believe they want to stay here and we want to keep them, and usually that’s common enough ground to figure it out somehow.”

Still, Gillis said the Canucks have a Plan B.

Just in case.

imacintyre@vancouversun.com
© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun

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It just makes more sense for your captain to be a skater. In war armies would have their generals fight along side them. Take it as a morale booster or leadership by performance. Mike Richards for example...he is the go to man for almost any situation. Taking faceoffs, PP, PK, shutting down the first line. You'd want the captain beside you in these situations that define the course of the game...whereas a goalie can only help out in one facet.

not bashing Luongo's ability to lead in any way, i dont doubt he owns the locker room, but you'd want your captain to be one of the guys who are actively around his teammates.

^ that and luongo, according to league rules, isn't even allowed to argue calls with the officials is he? i think that's what was said in the old thread. either way, C or not, luongo will always be heard in the locker room, so why not give it to somebody who can play a more active role.

I'm suprised no one has said anything yet about the draft time, like come one I love waking up on sat and watching the draft
On at 1pm, what kind of BS is this starting at 4 so I'm sure most of us will miss the start which is the best fricken part

yeah I don't get off til 5:30! thank goodness for bb's

Turco is not the best puck handling Goaltender, Brodeur is the greatest of all time.

As for Steve Mason and Tim Thomas you can't judge a goalie based on one solid year.

Andrew Raycroft won the Calder in 03-04 and look where he's at now.

A Vezina trophy is great and all but it's one of the few trophies where Stats doesn't mean a thing and the decision is entirely subjective to the 30 GMs who vote. (See: Jim Carey 1995-1996)

I read in the Sun today that the 1st round is on Friday?

In all fairness, Turco is seriously pretty up there.

He's up there but definitely not the best. The NHL had to introduce that dumb trapezoid behind the net so Brodeur wouldn't be able to play the puck as often. Not to mention Brodeur's scored 2 goals (3 if you include the one he scored on himself.)