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Old 08-19-2011, 04:38 PM   #2701
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recent article and statements from jim chu.
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Riot investigation, arrests hampered by law - People are slower to face charges in B.C. because the Crown must meet more stringent evidentiary tests before the charges can be laid

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U.K. justice not as swift or severe as we're told - Britain's riots were quite different than ours, but proceedings there are following the same due process that the rule of law says everyone deserves

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TL;DR: Vancouver Police cannot lay charges like UK police; only Crown can. Crown has to meet very high standards in order to lay a charge, let alone get a conviction. Because of this high standard, Crown often goes back to police to ask for more info. More info = more investigative work/time. Media reports on how the UK police and court system are quickly charging and jailing the UK riot suspects is somewhat false.
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BMW M5 owner stuck with bill for torched car after Vancouver riots — Autoblog Canada

The owner of the m5 that was torched says that she is unable to pay to fix her car.
And still no charges? Like the article says, she should go after the city for damages to pay for the car if the rioters that did this are really off the hook or if it takes years for them to get trials. This is disgusting, why should she have to pay for the damage.
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:52 PM   #2703
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Should elaborate that ICBC only compensated the vehicle at market value which is not enough to cover the lease. So technically she is only paying the difference. She signed the lease, shes getting screwed by the rioters for sure but not by anyone else. Article made it sound like she was not covered at all.
I'm more amused that she decided it was a good idea to lease a 120K car but then say she can't pay the 10k cost for insurance.
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She can't really go after the city because the city isn't really at fault. The riots are at fault and you can't get a dime because nobody is being charged/fined yet. No matter how you look at it, 10k isn't spare change, baller or not, and hard to come by quickly.

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News Hour: Aug 17 - News Hour - Videos | Global BC

Jim Chu also said part of it is because Van police is vastly understaffed.
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shoulda had replacement insurance on an M5..

so you lease a high end performance car, that brand new is 100k, but get basic coverage and cant afford a 10k bill? :/

sure it would suck to be in that situation, but..yea..
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She can't really go after the city because the city isn't really at fault. The riots are at fault and you can't get a dime because nobody is being charged/fined yet. No matter how you look at it, 10k isn't spare change, baller or not, and hard to come by quickly.
ICBC has to know who damaged her vehicle so that they can go after them for money. hence ICBC's quick offer to the police to use ICBC's facial recognition software.
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So let me get this straight since ICBC paid for the remainder of her lease. She can't afford 10k? Wouldn't that just be a couple months of payments?
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To be fair the insurance broker may not have clearly explained about the liabilities that she'll have to bear in case something like this happens.
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To be fair the insurance broker may not have clearly explained about the liabilities that she'll have to bear in case something like this happens.
Its not like we get riots everyday, so of course not.
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I don't mind the VPD taking a long time but we need to know that something is happening and that the process is moving.
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So let me get this straight since ICBC paid for the remainder of her lease. She can't afford 10k? Wouldn't that just be a couple months of payments?
Yup. Lets say roughly 12XX a month, basing this off my old lease payments don't actually know the numbers, that's still less then a year of payments.

I posted this same article on another thread and someone made a good comment. Although it is sad to see a nice car destroyed, and it sucks for the owner to have your car destroyed by a bunch of drunk hooligans... Why the fuck would you buy/lease a car that you can not possible pay for.

I'm not entirely sure about the replacement insurance costs on an m5 but for my s4 it costs an extra $32 a month. Money well spent in my opinion....and something anyone with a 100K+ car should get.
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LOL do you actually believe that there are going to be any charges?
Is Vancouver here lol. Even murders can walk away free.
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So let me get this straight since ICBC paid for the remainder of her lease. She can't afford 10k? Wouldn't that just be a couple months of payments?
ICBC paid for the car, not the remainder of the lease so she owes BMW the difference.

a 2010 M5 with an original MRSP of 120,000 and in theory the lease over 3 years + buyout totals around 120,000

1.5 years into her lease she's paid off (18 months x 2000 a month) 36,000 of the lease.

Car gets torched 18 months later, the money owing is 18 months left + buyout = 84,000. ICBC assesses market value at 70,000 and she still has to pay BMW 14,000. So you're right, if she was baller she probably have 10k lying around but that's a big dent in anyone's wallet if they had to pay right away... even if she was making 60k/year a 20k/year lease payment isn't that outrageous (although not very smart)

edit: after reading it again, maybe she's looking for public handouts? lol

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some drug dealer probably was paying for the lease anyways.
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edit: after reading it again, maybe she's looking for public handouts? lol
My thoughts is it is either this or she decided not to get replacement insurance knowing the risk which was why she and her friends fought so hard to try to keep the damage to the car to a minimal.
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Did she lease it through BMW directly or through a private insurance? Does BMW lease have gap insurance?
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I have never leased before nor do I recall them even asking if you own or lease the car. If infact it makes a difference shouldn't lease insurance be signifigantly cheaper than owner insurance?
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ICBC paid for the car, not the remainder of the lease so she owes BMW the difference.

a 2010 M5 with an original MRSP of 120,000 and in theory the lease over 3 years + buyout totals around 120,000

1.5 years into her lease she's paid off (18 months x 2000 a month) 36,000 of the lease.

Car gets torched 18 months later, the money owing is 18 months left + buyout = 84,000. ICBC assesses market value at 70,000 and she still has to pay BMW 14,000. So you're right, if she was baller she probably have 10k lying around but that's a big dent in anyone's wallet if they had to pay right away... even if she was making 60k/year a 20k/year lease payment isn't that outrageous (although not very smart)

edit: after reading it again, maybe she's looking for public handouts? lol
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I have never leased before nor do I recall them even asking if you own or lease the car. If infact it makes a difference shouldn't lease insurance be signifigantly cheaper than owner insurance?
Whether you lease, finance, or own a vehicle outright...the insurance costs should be the same.
You're paying for INSURANCE on a vehicle...that's the bottom line. The cost for insurance varies depending on the car and your premiums...that's it.
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amazing high res photo before the riot....

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you can zoom in and see everyone's faces.
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It's hard for me to believe anything's going on at VPD.

An officer emailed me and was in contact very quickly the morning of the riot and picked up a CD full of originals to him.

Since then, I haven't heard back from him, and I've gotten THREE additional contacts, once through flickrmail asking me to contact VPD to talk about my pictures, and two emails asking me to please speak to them about the pictures. Each time, I explained that they've already got the originals from me....

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About the same thing in my case as well.

This just looks poorly handled. If there are still no arrests by the time hockey starts again, watch the critics yap about it for months. If there's still no arrests by the time the playoffs start again, then...well, that just can't be a good thing.
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