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Old 03-15-2011, 05:48 PM   #5551
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try rackpulls, they are money

Looked it up looks like a solid exercise. Do you guys ever do it on a smith? My gym doesn't have a power rack so there's no way for me to do rackpulls beside's on the smith (the smith has spotter bars i can set up).

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So I was in my usual deadlift spot today doing my own thing, I set up my bar etc etc, randomly this douchebag comes over and sets up his shit in front of me even though theres room everywhere else, I thought nothing of it and did my deadlifts. After my first set I realized this idiot was curling 25s and a 45 barbell while butchering form and using his back. When he finished a set he'd pull out his blackberry and start texting and would flex in the mirror in front of him so he could see his biceps. Probably spent more time texting then acutally curling. Oh his music was so loud anybody within 20m could hear too, surprised he isn't deaf.

When I finally got done with my warm up and got to my work sets, he kept staring at me through the mirror so I ignored it again. He continued for maybe about 15 mins and then finally left.

He had a mean mug on his face like he wanted to fight and he was acting all gangster and shit while wearing jeans too... SMH.... at least he wasn't doing it on the squat rack.

Sounds like the douchies that come to my gym. There's a guy who sometimes brings in his gf, and makes her sit on a machine and watch him workout. He always wears jeans and doesn't change his clothes/anything when he leaves ...
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One thing I noticed about hongers working out - they always do bench press with their feet raised up in the air.. like ALWAYS, not just for 'core' workouts... Don't they realize that all their power should be coming from their feet THROUGH the chest and arms?

I guess it's a case of ignorantly wanting to 'isolate' or something, but EVERYONE here does it which is odd
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Old 03-15-2011, 06:08 PM   #5553
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Nothing wrong with using your back on bicep routines, IMO. The biceps are designed to work WITH the back and forearms, so the best bicep exercises are the ones that use all 3 groups.

But aside from that, what a cunt
So you're saying ...

Using your back to do biceps > strict form?
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Honestly I've seen big black guys curl a shit load of weight while using their back, but their bis are huge. I guess I can't question their methods.
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was doing biceps today and was finally able to curl 45 dumbells!!! so proud of myself !

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goddamn it

3 squat racks

3 separate douchebags doing curls

bastards...
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3 squat rack curlers. Ive never seen that before.
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Tried jack3d today for the first time, never took supplements before but holy my workout was amazing. Except my body feels like it got ran over by a bus 10 times right now, can't wait to go back to the gym
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Using your back to do biceps > strict form?
I'm trying to find that out. But generally compound > isolation for biceps. So narrow neutral grip pullups, yates rows > curls. As far as curls themselves, non-strict form > strict form... who knows? It will let you do more weight, which is a good thing
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goddamn it

3 squat racks

3 separate douchebags doing curls

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FUCK what I would do for a gym with 3 racks.... Mine only has 1, luckily I have only seen people do curls there once.
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3 squat racks, 3 people doing pull-ups when right next to them are two dip/pullup cages. One of them having a friend take pictures of him doing pullups. Fuuuuu.
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would this routine be overtraining anything, im a beginner
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I'm trying to find that out. But generally compound > isolation for biceps. So narrow neutral grip pullups, yates rows > curls. As far as curls themselves, non-strict form > strict form... who knows? It will let you do more weight, which is a good thing
Cheat curls have always been effective for many bodybuilders, and like you said, non-strict form = more weight. I read something about a "max-force generation point"

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/xrep5.htm

I've personally never bothered on doing isolation movements. Weighted chins and pulls will give you massive bi's
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would this routine be overtraining anything, im a beginner
where is cardio ?
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would this routine be overtraining anything, im a beginner
Chest and back should be on a separate day. They're both a big muscle groups and you most likely won't be able to have an efficient workout with them both on the same day. Do chest and tricep on one day (since you incorporate tricep in a chest workout), and back and bicep (same reason). I would have a pure leg day just because they're hardest to work IMO, and take up the most time.

I'd recommend Rippletoe's 5v5 as a beginner; it'll get you started and pack on strength/size pretty quickly.
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^ Chest and Back can both be workout in a single workout... dont know wtf youre talking about...
But if he is a beginner +1 for 5v5
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I do chest and legs on the same day. Shoulders and back on the same day. No problem with running out of gas.

I really like to do a pushing exercise compound superset with a pull exercise. Gives each muscle group not only a rest, but a stretch between sets, and you keep your intensity high by going from one exercise to the other and then back instead of sitting and waiting a minute or 2 to rest.


And I keep saying it but I absolutely do not agree with doing tris on chest day and bis on back day. It might work for some people but not for me. Your arms are completely blown out by the time you get thru 3 solid chest or back workouts (in the range of 75-100 activations). theres no way you've got anything left for a 3-4 tricep or bicep exercises. I can hardly do one tricep extension after chest day and I cant curl shit after back day
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I'm currently doing stronglifts 5x5 which is essentially the same as rippletoes 5x5 program. Great beginner-intermediate program and very easy to follow.

There's basically 2 workouts, to break it down

Workout A
Squat 5x5
Bench 5x5
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Workout B
Squat 5x5
Military press 5x5
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^ Chest and Back can both be workout in a single workout... dont know wtf youre talking about...
But if he is a beginner +1 for 5v5
I don't see how you'll have to strength to do your weighted pulls, t-bar and bent over rows, etc as well as having much energy to do flat/incline dumbell/barbell bench with flyes, etc.

When you're a beginner, your workouts won't be as intense as what they are currently. When I first started out, I still had energy to curl on back days (even though it was not to my fullest), but it's constantly being worked already.

I just feel having the chest, back, and legs on separate days would benefit me more as they are the biggest muscles to work IMO
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^Well after I do weighted pullups/tbar/bent over... MY BACK will be exhausted... key word BACK
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Still, you wouldn't get the most out of it, because working back still requires energy. It's my opinion though..I tend to benefit more with them split.
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so by that logic, i shouldnt be able to do anything let alone deadlift LAST on my friday workout? my friday is the second time in the week every muscle group gets work and i do it all in the same day, and i hit it hard and heavy.

heavy bench superset with cable rows
military/push press superset with pull downs of some variety
some other junk
deadlifts
some other junk if ive still got gas left

oh ya, its also usually by far my best workout of the week.

I think only hitting each muscle group once per weeks is an absolute waste of time beyond the initial beginner stage also.

everyones different. maybe you gas out real soon and have no endurance in the gym? i cant do tris the same day i bench..
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I'm trying to find that out. But generally compound > isolation for biceps. So narrow neutral grip pullups, yates rows > curls. As far as curls themselves, non-strict form > strict form... who knows? It will let you do more weight, which is a good thing
I shoul do that more often, but when weight starts to add up, you tend to swing more. And im really picky on how i lift, because i grow up lifting weights with strict form and trying to do everything properly. Wah
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Have you ever been underestimated?

The other day at the gym, I was alternating situps and squats. When I came back to the squats a bigger guy wanted to use it. He saw that I had 3 plates plus 10s on and said, "That's a lot of weight..." with a little snicker. I know he doubted I could lift it because I'm only 5'6" and 145 pounds. I replied, "It's not my first day," got underneath the bar and did 3 reps explosively.

I thought that was pretty funny.
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Maybe, but I asked Chad Waterbury, and he said to let the arms to all the work on curls... So I am even more confused now, his routines usually go for either explosive work or high weight...
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