Parent approved partying

[GabAlmighty]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Its just more common there than most provinces. Feel free to get your panties in a bunch though.

What leads you to believe that? Have you lived there for any amount of time? Or is it just a hunch...

[dinosaur]

Originally Posted by taylor192

500+ people keg parties cause a lot of issues. Thankfully the police have a better attitude about this than a lot of people in this thread.

WOAH WOAH WOAH!! Watch out guys!!

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[Hondaracer]

dinosaur, you're a clown.

[iEatClams]

Originally Posted by taylor192
Except when the taxi brings Gridlock and dinosaur's kid home drunk there'll be lots of questions to be answered the next day as they raise hell for violating how they want to raise their children.

This is where I think taylor has a good argument.

For those parents that do not support this supervised drinking or dont want others to raise their children, dont get mad if it's YOUR kid that comes over to my party.

If you don't approve of these supervised partys, make sure you tell your kid not to come to these parties or events where alcohol will be consumed. Don't blame me your kid came to the party.

If you feel it's your job to raise your kid then he/she wont be coming to these parties based on your morals.

[Gridlock]

Originally Posted by azndude69

This is where I think taylor has a good argument.

For those parents that do not support this supervised drinking or dont want others to raise their children, dont get mad if it's YOUR kid that comes over to my party.

If you don't approve of these supervised partys, make sure you tell your kid not to come to these parties or events where alcohol will be consumed. Don't blame me your kid came to the party.

If you feel it's your job to raise your kid then he/she wont be coming to these parties based on your morals.

And 9 freaking pages later...I am for damned sure coming after you as you are an adult, and by virtue, a child under 16-17 is a minor!

I don't give a damn if the police don't usually bother with enforcing the laws, they will i

oh fuck it...no one is listening and no one cares. Talk in circles.

[TOS'd]

Originally Posted by Gridlock

And 9 freaking pages later...I am for damned sure coming after you as you are an adult, and by virtue, a child under 16-17 is a minor!

I don't give a damn if the police don't usually bother with enforcing the laws, they will i

oh fuck it...no one is listening and no one cares. Talk in circles.

I'm listening.

[iEatClams]

Originally Posted by Gridlock

And 9 freaking pages later...I am for damned sure coming after you as you are an adult, and by virtue, a child under 16-17 is a minor!

I don't give a damn if the police don't usually bother with enforcing the laws, they will i

oh fuck it...no one is listening and no one cares. Talk in circles.

okay, so you teach your kid that these events are bad and not acceptable.

if your 16-18 year old doesnt go, then great, no harm no foul. listens to parents, awesome.


But if your kid doesn't listen to you and still goes. . . .

and because it was supervised, they didnt drink and drive and die in a car accident or got caught up in some other trouble they would have gotten into if they were drinking at a park/others persons house/school etc.

so it's my fault I potentially saved ur kids life or prevented some other horrible event?

[trancehead]

dinosaur why the fail for azndude69? he made a legitimate point

gridlock and dinosaur you two have a funny relationship. are you guys married? in a civil union?

[dinosaur]

I failed b/c he missed the point of this thread...parent liability.

I think that whatever you want to do with your kid is fine...not my problem and not my right to judge. But, if a parent is allowing underage kids to drink, that are not his/her own, it is their responsibility to let the other parents know. I do not think it is right for that parent to make a judgement call on your kid. Thats it...simple.

No we are not married...but we might as well be. I run a little more liberal than Grid...I did all this shit when I was younger and grew-up in the Lower Mainland...Grid didn't. He was on the other side of the country on a farm so although I don't fully agree with have a kid abstain from EVERYTHING until he/she is 19, I agree that child-rearing decisions should be left up the that parent...not a friend's parent.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by azndude69

For those parents that do not support this supervised drinking or dont want others to raise their children, dont get mad if it's YOUR kid that comes over to my party.

Don't worry gridlock and dinosaur will know where their kid is at all times. No way their kid will grow up as they did, sneaking behind their parents back to go drink. Never, not gonna happen.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by azndude69

so it's my fault I potentially saved ur kids life or prevented some other horrible event?

You're arguing the wrong point. Gridlock and dinosaur are the type that blame everyone else for their problems.

Pick a situation where they cannot blame anyone, then see how they suddenly don't have an answer. Hopefully their kid won't be a statistic in one of my facts.

[dinosaur]

Originally Posted by taylor192

You're arguing the wrong point. Gridlock and dinosaur are the type that blame everyone else for their problems.

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about?! When have I ever come across as a person who blames everyone else for my problems....and since you think you know so much about me, what are my problems?! What do I need to blame other for?

I'd like to know who you blame for being a self-righteous prick who has nothing better to do than troll these fucking threads spread your word like it it fucking gospel.

[dinosaur]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Hopefully their kid won't be a statistic in one of my facts.

And please...give me these "facts" again...the only thing I have read is your random misinformation that you have gathered from your gf teaching manuals meant for 9th graders....but then again, that would appeal to you seeing as you have the intellect of a 15 years old.

/thread.

[PiuYi]

mods shoulda taken this to fightclub long ago...

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by PiuYi

mods shoulda taken this to fightclub long ago...

Perhaps, but Taylor entering threads, proceeding to flood it with his logic, failing to accept any validity in the logic of others or fault in that of his own, then the thread dying because everyone is sick of him is pretty common.

[Lomac]

Originally Posted by dinosaur

I failed b/c he missed the point of this thread...parent liability.

I think that whatever you want to do with your kid is fine...not my problem and not my right to judge. But, if a parent is allowing underage kids to drink, that are not his/her own, it is their responsibility to let the other parents know. I do not think it is right for that parent to make a judgement call on your kid. Thats it...simple.

But what then happens if you're aware of said party and forbid your kid to go... yet they sneak away and attend anyway.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by Lomac

But what then happens if you're aware of said party and forbid your kid to go... yet they sneak away and attend anyway.

They'd say it's the hosting parents' responsibility to make sure their kid isn't involved.

But at the same time it pretty much proves that they don't have any control over their kids, and never instilled the right values in their kids in the first place.

[gars]

I don't believe that logic works when you are the parent and the people you're giving alcohol to are minors. You're the person with authority in this relationship and you're basically the one deciding this child should drink alcohol.

I'm not talking about kids in college, 17/18 years old, but in an environment where they interact with many people a few years older than them - I personally believe that if someone is old enough to vote, they're old enough to drink. Same with the military - if you're old enough to serve your country (16 with parental permission), you should be old enough to drink.

[Nightwalker]

Originally Posted by dinosaur

I failed b/c he missed the point of this thread...parent liability.

I think that whatever you want to do with your kid is fine...not my problem and not my right to judge. But, if a parent is allowing underage kids to drink, that are not his/her own, it is their responsibility to let the other parents know. I do not think it is right for that parent to make a judgement call on your kid. Thats it...simple.

I disagree with this, because you can't control the rest of the world. The other parent is under no obligation to tell you anything, and is not responsible for raising your kid.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Lomac

But what then happens if you're aware of said party and forbid your kid to go... yet they sneak away and attend anyway.

Straight thupard to the face.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by azndude69

okay, so you teach your kid that these events are bad and not acceptable.

if your 16-18 year old doesnt go, then great, no harm no foul. listens to parents, awesome.


But if your kid doesn't listen to you and still goes. . . .

and because it was supervised, they didnt drink and drive and die in a car accident or got caught up in some other trouble they would have gotten into if they were drinking at a park/others persons house/school etc.

so it's my fault I potentially saved ur kids life or prevented some other horrible event?

you're assuming a lot there

what if a kid ended up having alcohol poisoning at your party? or overdosed on some shady E (as per recent events) or ended up drinking & driving and crashing/dying/killing someone?

what are you going to do then? "ooh not my problem, they got bad parents"


to answer your question, in a way, do you want a cookie that the potential risks luckily didn't happen tonight? regardless of your presence; because your argument is very much like "homeland security is succeeding because 9/11part2 didn't happen"

[Gridlock]

I think page 10 is the most annoying yet.

You guys are looking at black and white. OK...there is a huge difference for me, between a kid that is 12-16 and one that is 16-19 first of all. So maybe we should be specifying, because I'm looking at ages 12-16. Obviously, I'm not going to come down on a kid a day before its 19th birthday because you are 24 hours away from being legal. At which point, an 18-19 year old hanging in a safe place having a bit to drink is a vastly different scenario than my 13 year old.

Would you all agree to that?

So maybe we do need to specify a bit more. If my 12-14-15 year old comes home drunk, and says, "its ok, johnny's parents were there and they bought for us, whats the big deal man?" I'm going to be pissed because johnny's parents just undermined everything I've been doing. And for the people that are going to tear this apart: is your 16th birthday party going to be as fun if you've already been to party's where they are serving booze? No.

Here is where this thread is getting annoying. All of you computer parents here arguing about your would be kids are looking at this as black or white. Your kid is either going to drink anywhere, or in a safe parental provided location. But getting drunk in your minds is absolute. It's gonna happen.

Now, I know it occurs. But not every kid goes out and drinks every week, or every 2 weeks. So there is also a volume consideration here.

I'm thinking there is a shade of grey...not drinking. So I have Johnny's parents offering up a liquor friendly event and I have bobby's parents hosting an alcohol free party, specifically for the under 16 age group. Alcohol is not on every childs mind like a whino, but now they are decending upon a party where its present. Now we have a mix of kids, and experimentation. Which are they going to attend? Fuck, a few are going to be all over the beer, and others are going to say no because their parents will be pissed, and there will be a few kids that go with the group. Yes?

AND THAT IS WHAT IS ANNOYING. You are potentially introducing a new element to a childs life. Specifically the under 16 group. Not cool. At all.

So, can we find common ground that introducing alcohol is not a good thing?

Next...maybe we need to look at the child here. I've kept in my mind in this thread, my nephew. He's 15..good kid. Smart. Has a good eye for right and wrong. I know that in any decision, he sways with doing things right. I also know that at any point, he could be talked into trying shit that he shouldn't be trying. He's a good kid, but he's young for 15. Young in a great way! I don't want him to be an adult. He's got decades of that ahead of him. Be 15.

So, I know the kid. I don't think he's been drinking. Could always be wrong. I just don't get that its on his mind. Probably curious, but who can blame him. I've heard about his parties, and they seem pretty 15-esque.

So he's in your rec room. Going to hand him a beer? How about a joint?

[melloman]

Can somebody close this thread?

[Gridlock]

Dude...this thread is just getting epic.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Gridlock

Now, I know it occurs. But not every kid goes out and drinks every week, or every 2 weeks. So there is also a volume consideration here.

All it takes is one time, especially the first time. That's not grey, that's black and white.

Originally Posted by Gridlock

So, I know the kid. I don't think he's been drinking. Could always be wrong.

I was a straight A+ student, 2nd highest marks in my school, played 3 sports and did all sorts of activities. I also hit a strip club for the first time when I was 15yo, and I was already drinking at least once a month at that time.

ad that's the point - you will NOT know, especially if you're a hard ass and they feel like they have to hide it from you.