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Old 01-15-2012, 03:50 PM   #51
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that's what separates me from you, 5 years from now where are you going to be?
This is how you see it. Drugs are bad. There are 2 sides of every story. I know some heroin addicts that are very successful in life. Are you going to judge? Not all drinking/ drugs is bad. If you must use such things, why not make sure its in a safe environment. I don't necessarily support the parents who supply them with such, however that's none of my business.
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Or an uneducated cunt?

Teens are going to do it one way or another (as you know, having admitted to doing exactly that), its better they do it in a loving supervised supportive environment where they can learn about it than risk getting caught in public and dragged home by the police or worse.

It is also better they learn how to handle drugs and alcohol properly. I started drinking at 15yo, so by the time I hit unversity and was living on my own making my own decisions I was equipped with the tools to handle it properly, unlike the sheltered tools that end up wasting their first year of school making up for lost time.

You can try to prevent them from doing it, yet then you're just being a stupid helicopter parent who they will hate and rebel against eventually.

Why do you assume that all kids will be doing drugs. I drank in HS but I have never done any drugs. A parents job is to try to keep there kids from breaking law not helping them break laws.

Another thing where do parents draw the line? What if they want to do some coke, or other harder drugs. If a parent says no your back to square one.
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Or an uneducated cunt?

Teens are going to do it one way or another (as you know, having admitted to doing exactly that), its better they do it in a loving supervised supportive environment where they can learn about it than risk getting caught in public and dragged home by the police or worse.

It is also better they learn how to handle drugs and alcohol properly. I started drinking at 15yo, so by the time I hit unversity and was living on my own making my own decisions I was equipped with the tools to handle it properly, unlike the sheltered tools that end up wasting their first year of school making up for lost time.

You can try to prevent them from doing it, yet then you're just being a stupid helicopter parent who they will hate and rebel against eventually.
Teens are going to do it one way or another? WTF are u shitting me. Its parents like you and children like yours that create that chance(and when you have such a 'authority approved' chance as a kid, its hard not to resist as a teen) for other kids try drugs and alcohol.

So, EVERYONE you know has tried drugs and alcohol???? and if they didnt, they grew up to hate their parents?

If your kid and friends decide to have a party because you let them, do you plan to call every single parent letting them know that your allowing alcohol and drugs in a safe supervised manner? No 'normal' parent is gonna expect their kids to be drinking/drugging when they say they are going for a sleepover.
Not to mention that the act itself is harmful for their young bodies.

Parents providing drugs and booze are not a "part of growing up." Part of growing up is to be a rebel through puberty and drink outside and go to parties and such.(if they choose to do so, its not a "required part" of growing up)

Isnt it actually "sheltering" if you are saying, "drink at home under my supervision"
Or did you mean, you want to teach 'responsible drinking at home first to 14yo' so they can behave later outside as well? Once you teach them at home, they will NEVER EVER fuck up when they drink outside right? because drinking is so controllable during teens lol.
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Why do you assume that all kids will be doing drugs. I drank in HS but I have never done any drugs. A parents job is to try to keep there kids from breaking law not helping them break laws.
You do realize underage drinking is illegal, right?

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Another thing where do parents draw the line? What if they want to do some coke, or other harder drugs. If a parent says no your back to square one.
Draw the line at common sense. Hard drugs are terrible for your body and addicting as fuck. Pot is legal in many places in the world (and soon to be here hopefully) cause its about as harmful as drinking.
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Parents providing drugs and booze are not a "part of growing up." Part of growing up is to be a rebel through puberty and drink outside and go to parties and such.(if they choose to do so, its not a "required part" of growing up)
Confirmed, you're a fucking idiot and didn't understand a word I said.

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Teens are going to do it one way or another? WTF are u shitting me.

So, EVERYONE you know has tried drugs and alcohol???? and if they didnt, they grew up to hate their parents?
Put up a poll on this site, I'm willing to bet 90%+ drink and 30%+ have done drugs at some point.

Open your eyes, tard.

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Its parents like you and children like yours that create that chance(and when you have such a 'authority approved' chance as a kid, its hard not to resist as a teen) for other kids try drugs and alcohol.
You're acting like "those" parents are forcing their kids to drink and do drugs. If they don't want to try it, then they don't have to.

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Isnt it actually "sheltering" if you are saying, "drink at home under my supervision"
Or did you mean, you want to teach 'responsible drinking at home first to 14yo' so they can behave later outside as well? Once you teach them at home, they will NEVER EVER fuck up when they drink outside right? because drinking is so controllable during teens lol.
You don't throw someone behind the wheel of a car and expect them to know how to drive right away. They are supervising until they demonstrate they can handle it.

If this is your attitude, you need to grow up.
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you know taylor you seem to rebel in almost every thread and i never had problem with that, but i have to strongly disagree with you here...

Fact is drugs and alcohol do make your life worse, and if parents are allowing that they're just that stupid

It's harder for you to get your head around that since you were raised that way but try to look at it from my perspective..
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Both my parents have always been very open to me with everything. My dad said if I wanted to go out to drink when I was under age I could call him anytime if I needed a ride home. That being said they never gave me booze or weed but I could drink at my place if need be.

Kid's are going to go out and do these things no matter what because that's part of growing up and you honestly need the experience in ways to learn more about your self and the coming of age and my parents new that and mainly wanted to teach me the responsibility of my actions while going out and "having fun" which I feel is the most important overall lesson.


I grew up in a highschool where most of kids (80%+ of my classmates, unless they are the really really geeky academic types) have drank before they reached grade 11.

If I didn't drink a John place, Bobs, etc would be available. Every other weekend or so often there would always be a place to party/drink.

What I do notice is that the times where my friend's parents approved of the partying with alcohol, we were not as crazy and more "responsible", for lack of a better term, knowing that the parents are upstairs and the party was in the basement of the house than when it was an empty house without parents, where we would be more drunk (knowing that no one is home).

so most kids these days, you cant stop them from drinking. They WILL find a way.

You can ensure they it's relatively in a more controlled environment by hosting it or they can be drinking at someone elses place with no supervision. In the summer, it would be at the school, beach or park with maybe some sort of bonfire if they had no place.

It's just me, but I do find that my friends who parents let them drink at their place and better relationships with their folks then the ones that are more strict and such.
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Another factor that comes into play here is race/stereotypes.

I'm asian, and my parents would never tolerate this type of supervised drinking.

RS is heavily asian populated ( and maybe more conservative??) and maybe some of their parents methods are going to influence some posters.

I was raised with strict parents, but I still managed to do a lot of partying and such in highschool, however, I can see Taylor's arguments. Some of my friends had those type of parents that had "supervised" drinking and they still turned out well.
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Put up a poll on this site, I'm willing to bet 90%+ drink and 30%+ have done drugs at some point.






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True statement. Everyone I know in highschool, not just my friends, but even other classmates that I never talk to, I have seen drink in highschool. I can't even think of someone from my graduating class that hasnt had a drink by the time they graduated.

Havnt said that I didnt go to highschool in Vancouver. But I did realize that a lot of the Richmond kids I met when I went to UBC didnt have similar party experiences and do not drink much in highschool/university.

Maybe it's a culture thing who knows??
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you know taylor you seem to rebel in almost every thread and i never had problem with that, but i have to strongly disagree with you here...
You're welcome to disagree...

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Fact is drugs and alcohol do make your life worse, and if parents are allowing that they're just that stupid
yet you're not welcome to make up "facts".

That's not a fact, that's just stupid. Some of the most successful people in the world have cellars of fantastic wines, and go on trips just to try more.

Drinking is legal here, cause in moderation its absolutely fine. Likewise pot is legal in many places in the world cause the same applies. Guess what, moderation is best learned in a safe, supportive environment.

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It's harder for you to get your head around that since you were raised that way but try to look at it from my perspective..
No, its hard for you to get your head out your ass (not an insult, just a saying) and realize most people drink, and a large minority smoke pot, especially on the west coast.

How were you raised? I'm going to stereotype and say you were raised in a typical strict Asian environment and was told all these things would get in the way of your success.
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that's what separates me from you, 5 years from now where are you going to be?
go ahead and say w.e u want, i know for a fact i wont be living in the streets because i decided to smoke a joint every other day, lol take ur anti drug bullshit and get out,
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You do realize underage drinking is illegal, right?
Yes I broke the law, but did my parents help me? no. Parents should not be helping there kids break the law.
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Havnt said that I didnt go to highschool in Vancouver. But I did realize that a lot of the Richmond kids I met when I went to UBC didnt have similar party experiences and do not drink much in highschool/university.

Maybe it's a culture thing who knows??
That's what I'm figuring too, that's why I asked above.

I went to university at Carleton which had larger minority of Indians than Asians, yet I noticed the same. They focused on class and I never saw them partying or drinking.

I recently learned a lot more about the Indian culture from my Indian coworkers who have visited our office. There's entire provinces in Indian that are dry, no alcohol or drugs, so now I understand more of what I saw at Carleton.

Still seems weird as we live in a country that celebrates how good "Canadian" beer is.
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that's what separates me from you, 5 years from now where are you going to be?
rather be a stoner than an asshole with no friends. but i guess you prefer being the idiotic asshole
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Fact is drugs and alcohol do make your life worse, and if parents are allowing that they're just that stupid
drugs and alcohol only make ur life worse if u can't keep them in check.
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and what makes you think i wont pursue my dreams? just because i love me some weed? wtf lol ur arguement is flawed, u suck at this
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lol i'm not going to bother to explain, if you don't know what i'm talking about then you have a long way ahead of yourself

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Drugs are bad. Drinking underage is bad. Most of us have done both or the other either our parents like it or not, support it or not. Your parents are supposed to protect you from harm, yet they also sometimes know you will do it one way or another, or they will have to go to extremes to keep you safe. Some parents know what it's like to party or have a little fun at a young age so why not let their own kids have the fun they had..?

Ultimately, it depends on yourself in the end if you think its right to do all these things if your parents let you do it or not. There is no right or wrong, you decided whats right for you or wrong to do.
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yeah weed is seriously gonna destory your dreams of being a olympian.... look at fucking mike phelps
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literally all the olympic athletes do after their events are done is drink, use drugs and fuck. no joke. i guess alpha has a lot to learn about his dream society
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It's something more than that

If you never pushed yourself in the gym or any other sport then you're not even close to understanding, it's one of those intangible things that you have to do in order to really comprehend and grasp

and maybe i'd try out for swimming and beat michael phelps one day

edit- oh no, i've harassed the stoners, come at me
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Not a stoner sorry bro. Just not thick skulled.
Yup never pushed myself in a sport. Guess I bought all those sports trophies I have sitting in a box somewhere.
What about your buddies that push themselves at the gym and take steroids. Its a drug. But do you overlook them because they push themselves in the gym?
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honestly the people who are some of the worst off now that i know, are the ones that never drank, tried things etc. in highschool, then they met a group of friends in university etc. that were still their "nerdy" type etc. but drank, dabbled in drugs in their own groups

these people were never exposed to anything much like Taylor was talking about on the previous page, then they get into post-secondary where shit actually MEANS somthing, they start drinking/drugs and the next thing you know they think coke is the best thing ever and shit gets out of hand quick because they find out they like partying ALOT, this goes for all races, there are a bunch of "nerds" from HS who all got in over their heads in university due to no experiance, if you ever smoked weed, honestly the best time to try it is highschool when shit doesnt mean anything, starting to try weed and other drugs in university is the worst time to experiment in things

where as a bunch of my buddies who were all naturally smart or had the will enough to study/try hard but throughout highschool were partying every weekend during HS, when it came to university they knew where to draw the line and all hammered out very respectable degrees with little to no problems with drinking/drugs because they werent automatically surrounded with things they had never experianced before

not like nerds with absolutely zero social skills/language barrier will ever put their degree's to good use anyways.
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ever pushed myself in the gym? i pushed myself hard enough even when im high...
i used to smoke weed to get good concentration at the gym, but estrogen levels increased buddy, ur fucking retarded lol i have participated in many sports, i took martial arts, i played soccer, basketball etc..
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