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taylor192 · 01-19-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gridlock

Answer the question. I know where my kid is. He's in your rec room. It's 11pm.

Yet you have no clue what your kid is doing. The whole point of "do you know where your kid is at 11 o'clock" is "I know what my kid is doing". You clearly would not.

Lawyered, again.

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Originally Posted by Gridlock

ANSWER THE QUESTION

If I answer it, you confirm that you blame others cause you don't know what your kid is doing and that you'll be a terrible parent.

Are you sure you want that answer?

taylor192 · 01-19-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil@rise

I taught my kid how to turn down shit not how to do it.
When she is with close family and friends now almost 16 I let her drink a little and if a friend of mine is smoking a joint she can partake but only if its in a controlled group with close family and friends present

To be fair, if you're letting her drink and smoke, you're showing her how to do it too.

Yet I get what you mean, its important to teach kids what's acceptable and what's not, and obviously booze and pot are acceptable to you, as they are for me.

taylor192 · 01-19-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gridlock

I'm going to let you off the hook. You can't answer because of the following:

You answer yes:

Well, you just said that you are willing to override another parent. Makes you kind of an asshole(

no comment). Also has you breaking the law(if not the spirit of it) and basically giving an unitiated kid a taste for booze and drugs.

So you answer no:

Well, you just negated 11 pages of arguments because when push comes to shove, you aren't actually cool with supplying kids with booze in your basement for a whole host of reasons. Namely, the chance that you could be supplying a good kid with a bad option.

So, you've chosen to circle around the issue and try to change the parameters of the test.

Everyone is bored of this thread, and its turned just stupid. I'm out. I think my point has been made, and I really had some fun in the last 2 pages and I am just not into arguing it anymore.

Until next time.

You'll be back, like Stylinred, you don't actually act on your words.

You're so black and white. You couldn't even imagine that you might get a call saying "hey grid, the kids want to party at their sleepover, are you ok with that?" or "hey grid, your kid says you're ok with drinking and smoking, just calling to confirm" or "hey grid, the kids want to have a couple drinks, wanna come over and have some beers and help watch them?"

There's so many more answers than "yes" and "no", you're just not open minded enough to consider them. That's too bad.

I used to drink and smoke at my friend's house thinking my parents didn't know. I found out as an adult how much parents talk to each other.

Sucks eh to try and setup someone up with such a narrow scope to win your argument, only to have it fall apart cause the scope is never that narrow. Maybe you'll go back to discussing now rather than trying to win, I doubt it, just like I doubt you're out.

Cya soon.

Excelsis · 01-19-2012, 06:50 PM

i can't keep up with these arguments, so fuck it tl;dr

StylinRed · 01-19-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by azndude69

I think the main argument you and dino are making is the legal liability argument in the last few posts. We've mentioned that if an adult is nearby that they can respond to these events and respond appropriately. We've also mentioned that kids drink more responsibility when they know parents are nearby as to not do anything stupid.

no im leaning on more the moral issues here, legally parents are fucked plain and simple if they're facilitating other kids drinking/doing drugs even if nothing tragic happens.

[/quote]In terms of legal liability, I would like to say that these parties have been happening since forever, and are still happening today.

Most parents know or should the other parents friends, and parents tend not to press charges against other humans that have no intention of deliberately trying to harm their child.

2nd, its very difficult to prove in the courts, with minimal penalties.

I'm not even going go into this as theres soo much this can open up and has many scenarios.

-- parents can supply limited alcohol so no one goes overboard
-- parents "supply" the alcohol by having it in the fridge, but it's implied that the kids can go drink from there, no verbal or actual "go ahead and drink son" message is relayed
-- parents are not the taste-testers, for all we know it was coke, not coke-rum.

etc etc etc
I can really go on and on forever here. [/quote]

i dunno what ur saying here so im just addressing the bold portion, you're assuming too much again... and the moment a child gets hurt people, let alone parents, want blood/revenge/accountability we have cases that were in the media recently that show that parents will want to get that from anyone they can, even from their own immediate family members

as for the "its very hard to prove in court" i don't really know what you're saying here either but im assuming you mean its hard to prove that parents were negligent? the fact that they facilitated alcohol/drug use is an immediate sign of negligence (as its illegal) unless they try to lie/hide the fact that they were even there (and are able to prove that)

as per personal experience with family catered alcohol/drug parties the parents dont give a shit it seems more like they want to relive their youth than to provide a proper chaperoned party

i will concede not all parental chaperoned parties are done with a laissez faire attitude (something you can't seem to do) but even if they did their best to monitor the actions of the guests 1) they'll be hard pressed to do it properly due to the # of teens 2) they have no right to decide whats best for my kid

dont know how many times i need to repeat it

StylinRed · 01-19-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by taylor192

Put me back on block, if you ever did in the first place.

A handful of Fraternity brothers can handle a 500 person keg party.
A few bouncers and wait staff can handle a 1000 capacity club.
A couple parents can handle a few kids.

Give me a break, you took me off block to give that faulty logic.

no they can't... the evidence speaks for itself... even with bouncers and adults partying things more than often go awry every night @ a club.... and again you're just assuming the best.. and not considering the implications of what could go wrong and the right of you raising my kids but holding no responsibility if anything goes wrong

and you contradict yourself by saying you wouldnt allow your girlfriends kid to do ecstasy....

you need to just quit it.... cuz as ive said before you're just blah blah blahhing and then slightly maneuvering your argument every time you get stumped and blahblah blahing some more and then berating when you're really stumped and just yell "facts facts facts" like the ones you're hearing aren't and as if you're conjecture does = facts... and then you tie in your sex ed teaching gf into this as if it adds some sort of affirmation to your presumptions rinse and repeat; ignored again permanently

taylor192 · 01-19-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by StylinRed

no they can't... the evidence speaks for itself... even with bouncers and adults partying things more than often go awry every night @ a club.... and again you're just assuming the best.. and not considering the implications of what could go wrong and the right of you raising my kids but holding no responsibility if anything goes wrong

If things "more often go awry" at a club, it'd be shut down. It does not "more often go awry", you're just wrong.

If we considered the implications we'd all stay home in bubbles. Thankfully most people have some common sense, which isn't so common in this thread. You might want to find some and stop picking our exceptions and red herrings to make a point.

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Originally Posted by StylinRed

and you contradict yourself by saying you wouldnt allow your girlfriends kid to do ecstasy.

I wouldn't want anyone to do chemical drugs made by god knows who using god knows what, for the exact reason the girl in Abbotsford died.

That said, if she really wanted to do it and I couldn't talk her out of it, I'd rather it be supervised so if the shit hit the fan something can be done asap.

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Originally Posted by StylinRed

you need to just quit it

You need to follow through on your promises. You promised not to continue replying and put me on block. The credibility of your arguments is about the same as your promises.

underscore · 01-19-2012, 11:00 PM

what a fucking stupid idea. there's a fine line between providing a safe environment and encouraging kids that wouldn't otherwise be drinking to drink underage. The first time I drank I think I was 15? and we were basically tipsy. I can't imagine getting bombed at 13, that's retarded (and what, only 2/3 of the way to legal? fuck sakes)

spyker · 01-19-2012, 11:29 PM

Man with all this arguing in this thread,I say we set up a boxing ring for the next RS meet,the proceeds from the wagers will go to charity and the scores will be settled once in for all.No more hiding behind a computer screen insulting,bashing and plain degrading people,talk is cheap.

Taylor192 vs..........

trancehead · 01-20-2012, 12:09 AM

why the need for a boxing match? are we all tough guys here?

its a battle of brains and wit. if someone can't handle the ascension, then hit the streets and fight it out with the other bums for last weeks half eaten sandwich in the dumpster

dinosaur · 01-20-2012, 12:38 AM

I don't fight...and I'm a girl. I could just kick him in the balls and run away though...
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dinosaur · 01-20-2012, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by taylor192

I wouldn't want anyone to do chemical drugs made by god knows who using god knows what, for the exact reason the girl in Abbotsford died.

That said, if she really wanted to do it and I couldn't talk her out of it, I'd rather it be supervised so if the shit hit the fan something can be done asap.

For fuck sakes, are you shitting me?! Couldn't talk her out of it?? What, does she have a fucking gun to your head?

What kind of kid are you going to raise that you are going to sit down and way the pros and cons of doing hard drugs (yes, I think X is a hard drug) and at the end if she still wants to do it, you will "let" her?! Oh, and good thing you are going to watch her do it because we all know that if an adult is present, there is NO WAY she'll OD on some fucked up batch of it.

Let's hope you luck out and talk your daughter outta murdering someone as well, if not...you gonna be there and support her with that too?? Ya know, to make sure it doesn't get outta hand...

Your logic and discourse is draining, you dodging questions and changing your angles ever so slightly is mind numbing, and your shit-ass trolling fucking attitude you barf out to anyone who looks in your direction is pathetic.

Go back to the hole you came from with your frat-boy attitude so you can fap to a picture of yourself in peace.

Can we finally move this to fight club??
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m!chael · 01-20-2012, 09:17 AM

StylinRed · 01-20-2012, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by m!chael

What Taylor is saying now, after altering his point once again, (from yes to no to no to maybe to you dont fucking understand me cuz you're stupid, to yes to...?) is that he would rather have his kid do drugs while he is around to make sure that everything is fine, than do it behind his back at some rave or house party with additional risk.

fixed

CP.AR · 01-20-2012, 09:36 AM

move the thread to FC already

XplicitLuder · 01-20-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by m!chael

First of all, how you can be such a cunt on a Friday morning is beyond me.

In regards to your reply to Taylor. Believe me (which you wont because you're ignorant and devoid of any meaningful thought processes), If your kids choose to do E, they will do it. What Taylor is saying is that he would rather have his kid do drugs while he is around to make sure that everything is fine, than do it behind his back at some rave or house party with additional risk.

Now this is where you will fail as a parent. You think that just telling a kid "NO" will stop him/her from doing it. This isn't how the real world works Dorothy. Kids will drink and smoke weed (its a fact of life), but its preferable for them to do this under supervision. What's even better about this is that parents can show their kids how to drink or smoke weed in moderation and hopefully those kids, if they choose to further experiment with those substances, will continue to use them in the same moderate manner. This is opposed to the binge drinking and faded smoking habits that most kids develop while experimenting with booze and weed at random parties or parks, behind their parents' backs.

altho i believe most kids WILL drink and smoke weed, it's not a FACT of life that this will happen. I have drank alcohol, but have rejected the weed from my friends and im around them 24/7 even while they blaze. No, im no "badass" over here because i haven't done it, but i'm just saying that there's a difference between someone CHOSING to do it and someone WILL do it because of said "fact" that doesn't even exist

gars · 01-20-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by m!chael

First of all, how you can be such a cunt on a Friday morning is beyond me.

In regards to your reply to Taylor. Believe me (which you wont because you're ignorant and devoid of any meaningful thought processes), If your kids choose to do E, they will do it. What Taylor is saying is that he would rather have his kid do drugs while he is around to make sure that everything is fine, than do it behind his back at some rave or house party with additional risk.

Now this is where you will fail as a parent. You think that just telling a kid "NO" will stop him/her from doing it. This isn't how the real world works Dorothy. Kids will drink and smoke weed (its a fact of life), but its preferable for them to do this under supervision. What's even better about this is that parents can show their kids how to drink or smoke weed in moderation and hopefully those kids, if they choose to further experiment with those substances, will continue to use them in the same moderate manner. This is opposed to the binge drinking and faded smoking habits that most kids develop while experimenting with booze and weed at random parties or parks, behind their parents' backs.

This is where you will fail as a parent. You seem to think that you have little influence over your child - that you are unable to talk a child out of doing things when they really want to do it.

No one is telling you to be a dictator in your household. That works with some children but not all. I would hope that I would have an open enough relationship with my children that I am able to talk about drugs and alcohol openly and get them to understand the dangers and talk them out of doing things such as ecstacy.

You guys talk about weed as if every high school student does it. I didn't do it in high school. None of my close friends ever smoked it in high school, and I can tell you that the majority of my high school class never smoked it then either. Like Taylor says, it's the rule, not the exception. Maybe all of you guys went to a different school where every kid is smoking a joint a day, I don't know.

LSF22 · 01-20-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by m!chael

What's even better about this is that parents can show their kids how to drink or smoke weed in moderation and hopefully those kids, if they choose to further experiment with those substances, will continue to use them in the same moderate manner.

So just because you tell your kid to do it in moderation they will? So what happens (which more than likely will) when it's NOT in moderation... then what?

P.S I'm not sure why there's a need to be calling anyone cunts or any names for that matter... isn't this suppsosed to be a mature conversation/debate?

dyan · 01-20-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LSF22

So just because you tell your kid to do it in moderation they will? So what happens (which more than likely will) when it's NOT in moderation... then what?

they od and die

If it gets out of hand, even supervision can't stop them. Yes I know a few people that have these "supervised" parties. However even when the parents tell the kids and his/her peers to stop, they don't have to listen. There is no difference between supervised and unsupervised at this point.

ex. they want to get piss drunk, they will with or without supervision.

ps. thread needs to move to fc

Sid Vicious · 01-20-2012, 11:40 AM

experimentation and experiences with drugs and alcohol are vital to normal development in children.

universities and society as a whole are already polluted with socially retarded sheltered drones, do we want any more?

just teach your kids to stay away from the "big 3". i.e. meth, crack/cocaine, and heroine and you're good!

taylor192 · 01-20-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by gars

You guys talk about weed as if every high school student does it. I didn't do it in high school. None of my close friends ever smoked it in high school, and I can tell you that the majority of my high school class never smoked it then either. Like Taylor says, it's the rule, not the exception. Maybe all of you guys went to a different school where every kid is smoking a joint a day, I don't know.

Stats say 1 in 20 are daily users, 1 in 5 are casual users, and 1 in 3 have tried it.

Those are large enough numbers to not be exceptions, yet I'll agree, its definitely not as big a deal as many are making it out to be. That's why I fluffed off the extacy comment, cause and even smaller minority of teens will use hard drugs.

taylor192 · 01-20-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigbaddie

ps. thread needs to move to fc

If it goes to FC it dies. There's a lot of negativity which is expected for a sensitive topic, yet only a couple incidents of outright insulting which for the most part didn't go anywhere - not worth losing good information in the depths of FC.

taylor192 · 01-20-2012, 05:37 PM

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