Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 9143057)

bruh fml but basically any house on 100A service cannot really support Level 2 charging for an EV and be up to code lol

We just use so much gas across a couple trucks that we gonna make that back instantly lmao

Originally Posted by jcmaz (Post 9143072)

100A panel can support Level 2 EV charging (240V) as long as there is enough room in the load calculation based on a typical house with an electric range and dryer. Everything can be done to code. I've done many of them.

Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9143044)

Well basically anyone who has their own private 120v plug can buy, it's just that if you need 240v it's more work. I'm sure 80% of EV buyers will survive with 120v, 240v is just more of a nice to have. And if you Tesla you can always just go to a super charger

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 9143073)

I think the bigger issue was that our panel was full?
Electric range, electric dryer, gas heating for downstairs but electric baseboard for upstairs.

They offered a 15 40 40 15 tandem breaker but said that wouldn't be to code?
The 4k quote was for charger + load management system + subpanel .. does the approach/cost sound reasonable or should we chat?

Originally Posted by SSM_DC5 (Post 9143078)

May not be that simple if you park on the street. City of Vancouver has that permit to allow you to run an extension cord on the sidewalk. On my route to work, I used to see a i3 use an extension cord strung up on the trees above so it's not on the sidewalk, but recently the cord is gone. City told them to take it down? No clue, but there certainly are barriers for people that seem quite common, but aren't properly considered before making the purchase.

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 9143020)

Bro my parents would not have been able to buy an EV without my help - there's like 50000 steps.

Pre Purchase:
1) Figure out how much their gas costs today, figure out and compare how much charging costs
2) Figure out what service, panel we have and whether it's maxed uot
3) Find an electrician to quote, choose between energy managed/service/meter upgrades
4) Choose between charging units and energy management systems
5) Figure out real world range with heat/cooling/towing

Purchase:
6) See if you qualify for provincial EV rebate, apply
7) See if the car qualifies for federal rebate, longer range trucks qualify under a small business thingy
8) Apply for BC hydro rebate for charger install

Post Purchase:
9) Buy A2Z Tesla > CCS adapter cuz Ford's free adapter ships in October
10) Setup plug and charge in Ford app for Tesla superchargers, get Tesla/BC Hydro apps since Ford app handles Flow/Chargepoint.
11) Setup battery pre-conditioning and temporary level 1 charging.
12) Figure out charge times at public chargers.
13) Get charger app to report energy used to bill back to small biz.

End result:
Previous F-150 5.0s were getting 17-21L/100km without towing, 23-27L/100km when towing a utility trailer = $50 to drive 100km
F-150 Lightning, 2.8km/kw, 9c/kw home charging so $3.15

Charger cost $4000 for a warrantied, code legal install.
Subpanel with energy management system to avoid tripping breakers - we reduce charging rate (Emporia/Wallbox) instead of shutting off the charger (DCC-9).
Could've done a tandem breaker with or without energy management for like $1.5-2.5k but wouldn't have been to code.

Total savings: $47/100km
Breakeven on charger install + additional lease costs and such happens within 10k kms or about 5 months.

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 9143057)

bruh fml but basically any house on 100A service cannot really support Level 2 charging for an EV and be up to code lol

We just use so much gas across a couple trucks that we gonna make that back instantly lmao

Originally Posted by jcmaz (Post 9143072)

100A panel can support Level 2 EV charging (240V) as long as there is enough room in the load calculation based on a typical house with an electric range and dryer. Everything can be done to code. I've done many of them.

Originally Posted by EvoFire (Post 9143095)

Step 1 already dashed any EV hopes as we don't drive enough to break even on the large size EV AND digging up the ground to run more amperage to the garage.

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 9143073)

I think the bigger issue was that our panel was full?
Electric range, electric dryer, gas heating for downstairs but electric baseboard for upstairs.

They offered a 15 40 40 15 tandem breaker but said that wouldn't be to code?
The 4k quote was for charger + load management system + subpanel .. does the approach/cost sound reasonable or should we chat?

Originally Posted by jcmaz (Post 9143114)

Without seeing the panel, it's hard to determine if there are other solutions to free circuit breaker space. I have used tandem breakers like that one to create space for 240V loads such as ranges, heat pumps, and EV chargers. Based on limited info, I believe you are overloaded due to the baseboard heaters. I'm not sure why it would not be up to code. $4k sounds reasonable for all the electrical work but I'm unsure if it is necessary. Feel free to pm me!

Originally Posted by EvoFire (Post 9143095)

Step 1 already dashed any EV hopes as we don't drive enough to break even on the large size EV AND digging up the ground to run more amperage to the garage.





I think you can do level 2 charging on a 100amp service, just can't expect full speed when you also have electric ranges, dryers, and AC as well.

Originally Posted by SSM_DC5 (Post 9143028)

Only car guys go to your extent when it comes to buying a pluggable vehicle. There are people out there that buy it, before consulting an electrician about options for charging.

Example, Person bought a tesla, finds a friend who's an electrician, electrician says wtf you have a detached garage, your panel is inside the house, you don't have any more space in the panel and I'd have to dig through dirt and concrete to pull the wire for a charger.

Another example, person in a place with strata. Posts a pic of the outlet at their parking spot, why can't I plug in my car at home, but I can at my parents place....

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 9142838)

bro wtf so we have 100A service at home, so we have to...

1) Get a subpanel
2) Install a charger that can see how much energy the rest of the home is using and load manage the charger

Else, we gotta blow $5k+ on upgrading our service to 200A + a new panel.

Originally Posted by Koflach (Post 9143155)

wtf? I have 100 amp and my electrician just did a straight install of the charger. We have central AC and all the other major appliances (but a gas range). He did warn us that we needed to be cautious to not overload the panel or it would trip the main breaker.

Originally Posted by jing (Post 9143187)

Sounds like Koflach hired a trunk slammer. Load calc probably isn't even in their vocabulary.

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9143194)

Unlicensed workers that don't have a real accredited business, just work out of their truck or van