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I know about it cuz some friends with really slow charging cars will use their charger for 'free' parking in NYC. https://electrek.co/2024/03/04/googl...hargers-in-us/ https://www.chargepoint.com/about/ne...etwork-north-0 |
So I recently realized another benefit of having a PHEV/EV. You get to use the charging parking spots. Though I sometimes wonder with an X5 if I would get the stinkeye from the ignorant. |
Abredeen, T&T, Minoru, Garry Point, and South Arm might be the best spots if it's available. I didn't get any stinkeye with the Jeep. Free charging in Richmond at Kwantlen / IKEA kinda nice. Free charging after paid parking at a LOT of spots downtown really offsets the parking cost. My dad gets the stinkeye at the supercharger with his F150, especially cuz non NACS cars often take up 2 spaces due to poorly positioned CCS ports. He pulls into the end spots and into the curb now. |
Longest charge sessions looks like: 1) Hummer EV - 129 mins from 10-90% (even with 350kw peak) 2) Bolt EUV - 83 minutes (41kw) 3) Lucid Air GT - 80 minutes (76kw average) 4) Lexus RZ450e - 66 minutes (47kw average) Each hour of parking near me is like $30. Gravity charges 59c/kwh so you're paying $30 for charging on the RZ/bolt for $50 in free parking lmao |
^ I just noticed your location says NYC? Was it always NYC? I thought you were in Seattle |
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Sold s2k to buddy in Vancouver (who just moved to NYc lmao) so I still get to drive it when I'm back EV6/G80 EV/Kona EV are usually NYC based rentals for day trips or errands Get work trips to Seattle/Vancouver where I usually grab a 4XE/Bolt/Model 3 from Avis cuz charging's $.5/hour at work Bought dad a Lightning a couple weeks ago. |
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You're right about charging and pay parking. It lessens the blow of pay parking and we get to park closer to the entrance. Win win scenario :chairdance: |
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That isn’t the equivalent to stopping for fuel lol. I can drive a gas guzzling G37 from Abbotsford to the cabin and then back to Merrit for fuel before driving all the way back to east van |
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Giving this a whirl for a Sun Peaks trip Likely Scenario 1) Winter Tires 2) Freezing Temps 3) Reasonably fast charigng modern EV 4) Arrive with 50% battery > Single charge at Tesla Merritt, 32 minutes from 37% to 94% (Lucid Pure AWD) > Two quick charges at stations with 8 plugs, 13 minutes at Can Tire Merritt and 16 minutes at Kamloops (Ioniq 5) Worst Case Scenario 1) Most inefficient EV (F-150 Lightning Long Range) with slow-ish fast charging 2) Freezing Temp 3) 1000lb payload 4) Winter Tires 5) Driving 30% above the speed limit at highway speed with terrible aer 6) We have the Tesla NACS adapter If I want to arrive at Sun Peaks with 50% battery: 1) Tesla Merritt, 23 minutes from 15-60% 2) Tesla Kamloops: 41 minutes from 20-80% |
It takes 85% battery to get to Merritt on the worst case? That's actually terrible isn't it? |
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I set ABRP to always be 30% above speed limit cuz that's how I drove to banff... on the Coquihalla this is 156kmh given 120kmh speed limit The F150 has incredibly poor aero, it has .44 CD and 36.6sqft frontal area. They didn't even put a cover on the spare tire below the car, 0 fucks given. Even R1T gets .30Cd & lowers at highway for like a 32sqft frontal area. If I set max 120kmh on all seasons at current temperature, it's a single charge at Kamloops (291km travelled, 17% battery left, 33 minute charge to 67%) Arrives at Sun Peaks with 50% batts. Here's some math Motor Trend did: https://www.f150lightningforum.com/f...-zg-png.82510/ |
So it'll take you 15 mins of charging for every hour of driving or 25% increase in travel time? |
Something like that, most inefficient EV in worst possible conditions. +60 minutes at max speed/lowest temp/winter tires +30 minutes in reasonable conditions If you’re down to roll into Sun Peaks with 20% charge instead of 50, it’ll be less time. Keep in mind normal we’re paying $6 to drive the EV 100km vs the usual $32 on our 5.0 (17L/100km, Michelin LTX M/S2, 6 speed and 8 foot bed) That’s like $100 saving on this trip or $200 saving round trip. + general savings around town where it's $2/100km Even if you compare to a normal sedan at 10L/100km since it's uphill, you're saving like $90 round trip That's a lotta steak and man cave money |
https://www.plugshare.com/location/215807 Whistler Lot 6 even has free charging and free parking. Even with the most inefficient EV, it only uses 30% batts. That's like 45 bux saved compared to driving regular car Tofino has 8 free public chargers, 50% battery use. 70 bux saved round trip Requires a bit of planning but if you can make it to your destination on one charge, the savings are insane. If you do need a DC fast charge for 30-60 minute wait every 4-5 hours, you're also hella saving. https://i.imgur.com/2C4g1Pe.png |
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https://cdn.motor1.com/images/custom...20210421-x.png There's a funny bottleneck in there that I haven't observed on any other EV. |
These are essentially the two extremes: Highway range, most efficient and least efficient EVs https://i.imgur.com/JoY3xMh.png |
Those are all really fun facts, and it reinforces for me that in the meantime, EVs are great for around town to save some fuel. Throw in unpredictable weather, heavier loads, kids dictating your schedule, and even increasing number of EVs on the road taking up valuable infrastructure, I'm gonna keep burning dead dinosaurs for the foreseeable future for road trips. With some major manufacturers walking back on their EV commitments (Ford, MB, and most recently Audi). I wonder if it'll push some governments to rethink the whole phasing out ICE cars. |
I think hybrid is the best move and even BC gov said electrified right? Meaning hybrid and PHEV count. EVs have a few problems: 1) the benefit is unclear, not really aware of cost or saving unless you do the math 2) a lot of current EVs suck, slow fast charging, no heat pumps, etc 3) pain in the ass to get a charger installed at older homes 4) pain in the ass to figure out public charging 3) high risk for high reward except for city driving - the more you save, the more you're also at risk of relying on public charging I think PNW is the only place in North America I'd drive an EV. 1) Shorter driving distances 2) Cheap electricity (10c/kWh compared to like 50c in California) 3) Cheap fast charging (.21/kWh at Tesla compared to .60/kWh at ON/CA/NY supercharging) 4) Moderate temperatures - not really running AC and not really burning energy heating up the battery if you're parked outside. |
Vancouver is really poised to be the best place for EVs in North America, but even then it's only ok. Not everyone is Koflach and can actually justify the EVs, most ppl buy it for the status. |
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1) The leases are INCREDIBLY cheap, like $150/mo for a model Y in Washington state. A lot of people are happy to do behaviour change when Toyota's asking like $500/mo for Corolla 1b) or if you're upside down like 30k in a car, roll it into a MB EQE or some other unpopular EV lease and start fresh 2) General interest in being kinda scrappy to save a buck or get ahead, more of a survival mode mentality than comfort mentality |
In saying you’re saving money, you’re also saying your time is worthless no? |
My girlfriend complaining that the charger is next to a dumpster? Worth $500/hr Fr I save $100 by charging 30 mins, that’s $200/hr pretax or $270 at marginal tax rate. I’m making half of the pre-tax number Besides, how often am I going further than Seattle, Tofino, or Whistler? It’s a free outbound trip if the charger at destination is available |
I recently jumped aboard the EV train. I work downtown 2-3 times a week and luckily the parking lot that I use has free unlimited level 2 and dc fast charge. I roughly go from 80% to 30% in a week and then charge once a week during the workday :concentrate:. Definitely a bonus treat given that its 0$ charging costs so far lol |
The math for EV is simple regardless which EV you pick for city driving. When I went full EV the idea was that city driving within the range that a full charge can give me would account for 95% of all my driving. Then the 4.9% out-of-town driving that I do can be covered by Superchargers. Maybe a slight delay... but really not by much. Even in ICE cars I still stop to shit and eat. The only difference is that I'd plan my routes ahead. And for the 0.1% that EV might not be able to cover, I'd just rent. But cost of operation is night and days between EV and ICE. And the difference becomes even more clear if you drive big engine cars/trucks. And for something that gets me from A to B in the city, it's actually a luxury to drive ICE. All my friends, regardless how they do financially have all moved to EV. And even though not all of them are willing to go full EV, one thing for sure... they drive their EV whenever possible. The reason is simple... it's just so much cheaper. A roundtrip from South Surrey to Richmond (70km) is easily $25 in gas in my buddy's G-wagon, while his Model S costs maybe $2 on hydro bill? |
Can you possibly pick a worse example of a ICE vehicle than a G-wagon tho? I mean there's almost nothing redeeming about it besides that it's a "status symbol"... drives like shit and guzzles gas in the single digits of mpg.... zero enjoyment of a vehicle there. |
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