I would have itched for a G80 if it wasn't so ugly. F80 is gonna stay forever unless I can get my hands on a 911.

The HK system in my M3 is terrible imo. It's better than the tinny base Hi-Fi system but the bass is muddy as hell. It gets really loud but everything mid and lower is super muddy.

I sat in a friend's G98 with HK and it sounds so much better than my F80. I don't have any other experiences with BMW HK as our Mini and X3 had the HiFi system, and the X5 has Bowers.

^911s are stupid. Don’t be stupid by association

That's a lot more than you can say for the HK in G05 - anything above like 60% volume and the distortion is immediately noticeable.

It might actually be the first time I've actually heard distortion in a car lol.

neue klasse looks quite promising, do like the throwback pig nose to the 02 series

can't wait for wagon form!

relieability aside, i think toyota are the only ones making nicer looking cars gen after gen.... kias are pretty nice too.

**zoomin** white Pen15 wheel :heckno:

whaaa... I must have been brain washed... but I honestly think the Hyundai Line Up LOOKS prerry solid...

not feeling the retro LED squares on all the recent hyundais and while i dont like the overall vehicle body shape of the EV6, the facelift with praying mantis DRL is probably my fave current light signature

https://topelectricsuv.com/wp-conten...r-1024x493.jpg

Hyundai is pretty solid other than the Santa Fe and ionic 9

^^ it's all fun and games until your engine seizes or battery scratched

Does that still happen?

There's very little you can buy from them that won't leave you stranded, explode or set on fire.

List of models without a major recall since 2022 is pretty short:
- Elantra N 6MT
- Sonata
- Venue

Recent recalls, US only numbers include:
up to 2026 EVs pop their module that charges the 12v battery, 145k cars
up to 2025 DCTs have hella issues, 100k
up to 2024 Palisade, Tucson, G80/G70/GV80 have fire risk, 1.7M
up to 2023 Santa Fe catch fire from trailer hitch harness, 850k
up to 2023 elantra seatbelts explode, 240k
up to 2023 elantra hybrids have unintended acceleration, 40k
up to 2022 CVTs got recalled

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/lexus/43234416.html

New hybrid, IS500 gone.
New interior, LFA tach gone.
New adaptive suspension and steering.
New hands free self drive under 40kmh.

Still no fuel economy, power tailgate, heated steering wheel, nor heads up display.

Same shitty 6AT with transmission hump.
Same 2GR with slow 8AT.

This must be celebratory news for you! More Toyota hate! :fuckyea:

this is unacceptable. its basically a lousy facelift. ugh stupid. at least throw in the TT v6.
https://global.toyota/pages/news/ima...9/1330/001.jpg
Thanks for ruining the front of it. way too much negative space with the huge and empty front grille. nothing to break up apart the boring face.
https://img.sm360.ca/images/article/...8895019534.jpg
old one was 1000% better looking

Rearend looks a lot better, that saggy ass look of the last gen was horrible.

That said this car needed to stop existing 2 refreshes ago. Needs a complete redesign, different drivetrain or at the very least transmission options... and interior space is abysmal.

I took a recent IS300 AWD out for a test drive prior to moving to Calgary and walked away almost laughing if I hadn't been in shock at how ridiculously bad it was.

Whoa - who is buying IS and Crown?
How did Toyota sell 20k of each?

BMW moved 90k 3/4 series, with 20k of them electric last year.

for the IS; everyone named ngyuen in the bay area ?

for the crown; bcrdukes and my coworker whos big on big sedans.

So the Crown appeals to poor gay guys? I guess something had to replace the Chrysler Sebring convertible.

I know Avis bought a ton of them to replace their Chrysler 300 and G70.

The Crown?! No way! :ahwow:

Bring on the Toyota hate!!!!!

The refresh front looks like a Camry, what are they gonna start merging the two brands?

Yep it’s the default Premuim class option in US if your branch is big enough to carry them.

If they’re smaller, they’ll upgrade you Luxury class: a G70 2.5/3.3 or a CT4.

That's because Hyundai has cars designed by these guys. Just look at the list of cars they have designed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schreyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Donckerwolke

Kia has this Lebanese Canadian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karim_Habib