Like all modern day cars… it’s all pretty shitty out there.
However, it appeals to the average consumer as your gf likes it.

At least it’s an honest Toyota product. They never made this thing to be sporting, it was meant to be a cruiser and it does a fine job of that. Same platform as the LS & LC so the chassis underneath is quite luxurious. The ride should be good.

Only if you come to the meet. :hotbaby:

Re: Crown - Badhobz said it best and genuinely a nice Toyota product. The fit, finish, and materials are impressive given its class and category (waiting for AstulzerRZD to shit on this.) It is meant to be a nice cruiser. Not a sports car. not a Dodge Challenger. Not an Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio. Not a Chrysler 300 SRT-8. My wife and I both really enjoyed the test drive of the Limited trim. We were really looking forward to testing out the Platinum trim because it has a slightly different motor and a real 6-speed transmission, not a CVT the Limited has.

The Park button - I find the park button very annoying but it's just how modern cars are these days and we'll just have to get used to it. For a Toyota product, it punches above its weight against Lexus. I know people on this forum like to shit on Toyota, but we have to be realistic about our expectations.

Does it punch above it's weight? It's getting awfully close to ES territory. The long roof makes more sense imo

I don’t know what the new ES platform is, but technically the crown is on a superior platform shared with the LS and LC. The old ES was on the Avalon platform so dynamically it was worse. Also the interior materials and build quality should be top notch as they are all built in motomachi

EvoFire - Go try one. You will hate it. :D

The new ES looks really close to the Crown

https://tmna.aemassets.toyota.com/is...id=750&hei=500

https://www.longotoyota.com/blogs/43...yota-Crown.jpg

The roof line is very similar, and the greenhouse is almost exactly the same, at least the body in white looks to be different. The NX and Venza was similar in that the body in white might even be the same. Toyota is pulling some badge engineering shit similar to what GM is doing.

Could be. I don’t know what the platform is for the new one.

Stupid Toyota! :mad:

My biggest wish for Toyota is to update the front bumper. It looks awful for their flagship sedan.

Separately, I wished the Crown Signia wasn't a bastardized Crown. We also test drove one and while it was nice and a parts-bin special (aka reliable) the Crown sedan has features and finishes that were just much better in comparison to the Signia.

And while not the same class of cars, my heart wants a Panamera but I can't stomach a $4500 annual insurance policy. You can simply read that as bcrdukes is a broke dick wannabe rich guy fake ass bitch.

The brand is pretty dead to me now. The lustre is gone. Their reliability reputation is bygone and their once formidable engineering has dumb down to a range of boring i4s, noisy v6TTs and hybrids.

Very ho hum. Even the new upcoming Corolla is very bleh. And I love fucking corollas.

The Toyota hybrid and Ford Lightning shifter are fucking diabolical for three point turns.
Need to be stopped two seconds before you can put it in reverse.

It's a modern Toyota, lack of enjoyment is to be expected.

You're thinking of the older Crown. This generation is on TNGA-K so same as all the Camrys and Avalons... tranverse layout. Not longitudinal like LS and LC.

When has Toyota ever been fun to drive? I thought they were always the under powered reliable conservative for boomers brand.

You need German for fun, at least some high revving Honda or Nissans, some Mazda for zoom zoom.

Celica? Supra? SC400? IS300?

90s. When Toyota put manual V6s in their Camry's

90s Camry looks like a flat rock, how many actually got manual.

Celica even gts wasn't as good as gsr let alone type r. I looked into an xrs a few months ago, it was very gutless on the low end and pretty boring to street drive. Interior was pretty shit.

Supra is unobtainable.

I looked hard to buy a sc400/300 when I was a yn. They were beat to shit 15 years ago and I can't imagine how many decent ones are left now. Even back then they had torn leather, falling apart plastics, and dead clusters. Also they were boats, gt cars not fast or good handling. 250hp with a 4 speed auto? Unless you had like $10000 to manual swap back in the day. Even with that you only had 250hp, what's the point.

Is300 is cramped as fuck. My family looked at them when they were brand new, ended up buying w203 c class. Same thing, how many were manuals, heavy car and you only had 220hp out of a 3l? Is350 was actually much better. Actually fast. Just buy an e46 for half the price.

never driven one but i find it hard to believe a heavy underpowered v6 to be fun even if it was a manual. sure, the stick gives u something to do so youll wont fall asleep... but fun?!?! :suspicious:


ive had all 3. the gts is by far a better car than the gsr. typeR is a different beast.

My family also had es300. The tranny went out that's why they went to shop for is300 or w203 FeelsBadMan

Still own a MR2 Turbo and a 2004 IS300 manual... both are great cars and lots of fun.

While the 90's Celica wasn't as good handling or fast as the Integra from the same era, IMO it was the much better looker between the 2. Also, the Celica had a bigger engine in it than the Integra, so off-the-line acceleration was actually somewhat better than the Integra.

IMO, the Corolla wasn't the best version of the XRS. Instead, it was the Matrix. Being a hatch / small wagon, it was the infinitely more practical and useful car than the Corolla was. But when you want to play boy racer, the engine is there to go nuts with you. It's true that it didn't feel as strong or as good as similar engines from Honda, but it still felt pretty good.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a6...ead-confirmed/

RAM pulled the plug (lol) on their full EV truck. PHEV truck still in the pipeline, which makes more sense than a pure EV. Wasted a lot on REV R&D but better to cut your losses early

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...da41b1ec81.jpg

How are they still around? I don't think they pulled the plug it's just that stallis is broke. Just look at the new EV charger. I wonder how Nissan is doing? I thought they were supposed to run out of cash like 6 months ago. Even gtr is discontinued.

The also saved 60% on tooling & manufacturing engineering cost.
Designing the car’s the easy part.

HEMI and new product has factories increasing shift.
Brampton is the only one stalled …. Windsor, Dundee, SHAP, Warren all increased.

Americans, esp midwest will always need great seats for 3-5 hr drive, quiet and stable at 140kmh.

RAM still makes the most comfortable and usable pickup truck interior.
Grand Cherokee is quieter than x5.
Cherokee is back with hybrid.
Charger gas versions are shipping and V8s are coming soon.
Wrangler still infinitely desirable.

Stellantis will be fine if they cut off their shitty euro brands like Alfa, Maserati and the French.

Ugh i think youre right. At least on their 2025/2026 there's no further mention of TNGA-L and only TNGA-K..... why the fuck would they go down to a cheaper platform.... oh.... fuck you toyota. :rukidding:

Maybe the RWD sedan still carries the TNGA-L? We dont get that here... only the fwd/awd suv-y body. So it could be the inital marketing was just all BS cuz i distinctively recall reading about it being on the same platform as my LC and thinking HEY thats not so bad for a 60-80k sedan!

TNGA-L (GA-L)
The TNGA-L platform underpins unibody vehicles in the E-segment or executive car, F-segment or full-size luxury car, and S-segment or grand tourer categories. The platform is offered in both rear-wheel drive and all-wheel drive variants and is paired with a longitudinal engine. The platform also supports a wheelbase length of 2,870–3,125 mm (113.0–123.0 in). The Crown was also produced with a narrow version at 1,800 mm (70.9 in) wide. The TNGA-L replaces the older N platform.

Vehicles using platform (calendar years):

Toyota Crown — S220 (2018–2022)
Toyota Crown Sedan — S230 (2023–present)[54]
Toyota Mirai — JPD20 (2020–present)[55]
Lexus LC — Z100 (2017–present)[56]
Lexus LS — XF50 (2017–present)[56]

That’s the LWB sedan they get in Japan.

Our Crown is the Crown Crossover/Estate, they’re on TNGA-K.
The Crown Sport that looks like a Purosangue is also on K.