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Old 10-03-2017, 01:20 PM   #151
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just because it's circulated doesnt mean it's real though (wrt to Harvey Specters comment)

in any case, here's something that popped up on my feed which mirrors your sentiments about this being well planned.

https://worldtruth.tv/mission-imposs...ive-ludicrous/ (yes tin foil hat website, interesting no less)
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Old 10-03-2017, 01:22 PM   #152
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or we can treat people like adults and allow them the responsibility of due dilligence.
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Too much bad news lately. At least this made me lol a little.
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INB4 the NRA goes quiet then makes a statement saying Americans need more guns for protection.
Sad but true. As though they could have defended themselves against him from his vantage point.
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i'm not completely against or for gun control but i can list at least a dozen examples where people are mass murdered by a weapon other than a firearm

i think the real issue is why there are so many nutjobs in the states just waiting to kill people

if a complex issue such as violence could be easily solved by a simple solution like enacting stricter gun control laws, why arent cities with the most stringent gun control policies the least violent?
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if a complex issue such as violence could be easily solved by a simple solution like enacting stricter gun control laws, why arent cities with the most stringent gun control policies the least violent?
Because you can't isolate guns from a city. There are no borders. Anyone can bring a gun into the city.

It will only work when the country as a whole is onboard. Canada can stop guns from coming into the country at the border. We have a lot fewer guns as a result and these types of shootings don't happen so often here.

It's too late for the US, the guns are already there and they're easy to get.
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i'm not completely against or for gun control but i can list at least a dozen examples where people are mass murdered by a weapon other than a firearm
This is true but imagine those same people had an assault rifle and knew what they were doing?

I don't think anyone's going to be killing 60 people and wounding 500 with a machete...
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Old 10-03-2017, 04:03 PM   #158
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just because it's circulated doesnt mean it's real though (wrt to Harvey Specters comment)

in any case, here's something that popped up on my feed which mirrors your sentiments about this being well planned.

https://worldtruth.tv/mission-imposs...ive-ludicrous/ (yes tin foil hat website, interesting no less)
I just can't take everything the media has reported about the shooter at face value. It's hard for me to believe this guy could have carried out such an attack by himself. He had enough arms to arm a small police force and he also had explosive material which was found in his car. He also had video cameras in his room and hallway. His target also makes no sense. It was just a run of the mill outdoor concert.


Btw, I'm not spewing conspiracy theories. I'm just baffled about this shooting.
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Nobody is saying that stricter gun control will solve the entire problem of mass killings. Of course, we've seen other methods like hijacked planes, running over people with trucks, etc. BUT stricter gun control (esp automatic weapons) is part of the solution that will reduce the likelihood of something like this from happening.

American gun owners like to remind people of the 2nd Amendment (right to bear arms) but they often forget the preamble of their constitution.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

59 people lost their unalienable right to life, and many more who were injured will lose their right to some form of liberty, and perhaps the pursuit of happiness.

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This is a good article, sorry if it’s already been posted:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...cs-maps-charts

Call me a pessimest but it’s not a matter of “why is this happening” anymore to this is who we are. Unfortunately, this is the states.

It would take such a monumental shift to change the state of this country it would need nothing short of judge dread cruising the streets on a hover bike.

The stat in that article regarding gun related suicide vs homicide speaks volumes

The states is in a bad place right now and while trump may have caused some of it, it’s a relative drop in the bucket to the ongoing issues which have been festering for decades. Racial inequalities, poverty, mental illness, violent crime, is the way of life currently. It will almost certainly get far worse before it ever gets better.
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I now think those pics are real someone else sent me the same pics except there was one more pic and that showed the shooters face. He was laying on the Floor dead blood coming out of his head.
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I now think those pics are real someone else sent me the same pics except there was one more pic and that showed the shooters face. He was laying on the Floor dead blood coming out of his head.
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omg pics! share share share!
make someones attention whore account gain more followers over fake photos!!
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More regulation is not rocket science, I don't get why some of you have a hard time understanding.

Throw more dodge balls into a court, more players will be hit at a higher rate.
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World?s largest gun show will go on as planned in Las Vegas | New York Post

will there be any protest at the gun show? some how I doubt that.
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Well just now I unintentionally saw a tweet from Dan Bilzerian showing a close up pic of the dead shooter.
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Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer has called out social media star Dan Bilzerian for “running away” in an Instagram video he took during the massacre that occurred in Las Vegas late Sunday night.

“This is why children shouldn’t classify heroes by their followers or their photos. @danbilzerian this is what kills me about people like you,” begins Meyer, a Marine Corps veteran and Sarah Palin’s son-in-law, in an Instagram post. “A woman just got shot in the head and you are running away filming that’s not what operators do. Please stop trying to be someone your not. People are dying, you’re running away not helping them and pretending it’s worthy of a video is disgusting.

Bilzerian, a professional poker player and former Navy SEAL trainee known as the “King of Instagram,” filmed a video of himself running away after one woman got shot in the head. Bilzerian told PEOPLE that he took a shooting victim to the hospital and returned to the scene once he had his own gun, but the situation was already under control by law enforcement.

“Holy f—, this girl just got shot in the f—ing head,” Bilzerian says while running away from gunfire in his Instagram video. “This is so f—ing crazy.”

Sunday night’s mass shooting in Las Vegas left at least 59 concertgoers dead and over 500 wounded outside the Mandalay Bay resort and casino after Stephen Paddock, 64, opened fire during country star Jason Aldean’s set at the Route 91 Harvest Festival.
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More regulation is not rocket science, I don't get why some of you have a hard time understanding.

Throw more dodge balls into a court, more players will be hit at a higher rate.
Making drugs illegal sure worked well, so tell us how well it will work for guns.
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Fuck man. This isn't about making guns illegal. Its about not being able to go pick up and own 17 guns from your local sporting goods store. Don't you think thats a bit more reasonable?
But no, don't try anything, just leave it as is because its going so fucking well.
DONT YOU THINK MAYBE THEY SHOULD JUST TRY ANYTHING AT ALL AT THIS POINT?
REGULATIONis not just making something illegal with no understanding or planning at all behind it.
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This hit me hard cause I love Vegas. I'm actually going to Vegas next month for the SEMA show.
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His target also makes no sense. It was just a run of the mill outdoor concert.
targeting a classroom/cinema doesn't make sense either, for the sane at least.
i think finding a definitive motive is moot
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Fuck man. This isn't about making guns illegal. Its about not being able to go pick up and own 17 guns from your local sporting goods store. Don't you think thats a bit more reasonable?
But no, don't try anything, just leave it as is because its going so fucking well.
DONT YOU THINK MAYBE THEY SHOULD JUST TRY ANYTHING AT ALL AT THIS POINT?
REGULATIONis not just making something illegal with no understanding or planning at all behind it.
Well, they are regulated quite heavily. In fact, there have been over 300 million more guns bought in the US in the last 15 years and the murder rate has decreased by over 40%. So, regardless of numbers, regulations, and your huge red font, more laws and/or regulations mean squat to people that wish to break laws and those people that wish to harm others. And less guns does not mean less murder. More people means more fucked up people, though. Add red font where you see fit.
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The thought crossed my mind that if someone was so passionate about anti gun laws would they go out of their mind to pull something like this off in hopes that the laws change? It would be pretty wild if that is what someone was willing to do to try and incite change. Highly unlikely but who knows in this crazy world.
The same thought crossed my mind as well...
What if some one pre-meditated a mass shooting and wrote/posted something like:

"I'm going on a shooting spree tonight because I casually picked up a slurpee, 2 bags of nachos and 5 semi-automatic rifles on my way to work, PRAISE THE 2ND AMENDMENT!"
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Well, they are regulated quite heavily. In fact, there have been over 300 million more guns bought in the US in the last 15 years and the murder rate has decreased by over 40%. So, regardless of numbers, regulations, and your huge red font, more laws and/or regulations mean squat to people that wish to break laws and those people that wish to harm others. And less guns does not mean less murder. More people means more fucked up people, though. Add red font where you see fit.
murder rate not interchangeable with massacre rate

i think there's little room for counter-argument that the latter rate has gone berzerk in the last few years
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It would seem some people believe gun laws have remained static since the 1800's.
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