After years of condo living, I can simplify it to a single image

Can of worms?

appears amazon shipping is taking sweet fucking forever....anyone else?

I thought CBC was fake news. Same thing in the US .

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/polit...ntv/index.html

Yep. Prime is not exactly worth it during this time since everything is delayed.

They should really discount prime for the time being.

I've noticed when the weak minded have nothing to defend Trudeau with, they revert to Trump.
Prime example:

Getting quite tired of these constant confrontational posts from you that do nothing but try to rile people up and take over the thread with pointless arguing. Take a break from the thread for a few days.

I can’t remember if it was on John Oliver or somthing else I watched but some people seem to recommend a strategy of “pumping the breaks”

Ie. letting smaller outbreaks happen while loosening constraints, tighten them to deal with the outbreak then re-open the constraints until a rise is seen

Seems reasonable if it could be implemented

Is that not what’s happening more or less?

They know the rate of change to an extent. Measures are put in place to keep hospitals at a reasonable level. If they really wanted cases to come to a near halt they would improvise more strict measures. Keeping severe cases at a max capacity of our hospitals is going to be the fastest way through. Why do you think it took so long for measures to be put in place in the first place? I can’t honestly believe it’s due to complete incompetence.

The problem even now with the relatively “loose” restrictions is that business are going to be dropping like flies.

Yeah that's pretty much "flattening the curve" since the curve won't be zero.

The only goal is to not completely overwhelm hospitals... So "letting people get sick" isn't really a consideration - people are gonna get sick no matter what. But with strict social distancing measures, less of them will get it at once.

HK only had 4 cases yesterday - 3 imported and 1 local. So we're finally seeing the effect of the border stoppage 2 weeks ago. However the third wave will show us how many of those 2 weeks of imported cases have made local people sick, and how far it will spread from there. If people stuck to social distancing and wearing masks, the third wave should be relatively flat.

Singapore also closed borders around the same time, but they did not have strict social distancing measures or mask wearing, until this week. They had 191 new cases yesterday, mostly local.

The last 2 weeks in HK and SG told us quite a bit, and the next 2 weeks will tell us more. I just hope people are paying attention.

The main tool to flatten the curve is mask wearing in combination with border stoppage. If countries want to prevent a large second wave, they are going to need compulsory mask wearing in public, with similar social distancing they have now.

But what’s the alternative?

Open everything up? (Maybe possible with a huge amount of PPE available, but it’s not)

Send the under 40 crowd to work?



This is going to be a pretty big learning experience, hopefully we can be a little better prepared next time. Nurses and doctors are heroes. But it’s not because they are working through this, that is what they signed up for. It’s because they have to work through this without proper protective equipment. You can only hope the people responsible will be the ones taking the blame.

If any country is going to relax their Stay-At-Home orders, they are going to need to implement compulsory mask wearing. That means somehow get enough masks into the hands of people before doing so, or make the mask rules relaxed enough that any cover is allowed - even a t-shirt wrapped around your face.

Keep doing this until a proper vaccine is created. 1 year vaccine is wishful thinking IMO, and should NOT be rushed. The first SARS vaccine was abandoned after animal trials, in part because of funding but also it was absolutely destroying the lungs of the animals they were testing it on. I don't know if that means they would have had to go back to square one or what.

I've seen people say that early vaccines should be tested on healthcare workers, and that is literally the stupidest statement I've seen made regarding the virus, and that includes Trump.

So yeah... compulsory mask wearing for the next year or two until a vaccine is implemented

Either that, or this is just our new seasonal flu. Every year we just have to mask up to go out, and work from home becomes the norm for most people. This is a very real possibility.

COVID-19: City of Vancouver at risk of bankruptcy, says mayor

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-...-c19ee6fe284d/

find that hard to believe when they use measuring tape for parking enforcement in kits and added meters in the residential side streets off fraser

If city of Vancouver is going bankrupt then it’s a complete mismanagement of their revenues. The mayor and councillors are either skimming off the top or getting screwed on the deals they are making.

Unionized employees don’t help but with the sheer amount of tax revenues I don’t see how they can possible be broke after just a few months.

they've been riding off 30-40 years of massive property tax gains...if they ran with even half-assed efficiency they shouldn't be at an insolvency risk within 3 months (article says they already laid off 1500)

officer Cain needs to step it up and get more noise complaint tickets parking outside car dealerships for the extra revenues ...

Personally I don't see that happening here. Maybe in Hong Kong they would consider it a normal thing to do but I really don't see BC implementing a 'mask wearing' season every year for good.

I can see strict measures until a proper vaccine is created but that really is the goal, get a vaccine and get back to the life we all know and love.

Not sure if this was posted already, but apparently toolbox and zep brand blue shop towels filter nearly as well as N95.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...made-PPEs.html

Society would rather have people die than accept this as the “new norm”

It’s completely unrealistic to think this could be sustainable in the least. Everything from construction to elective surgeries being put on repeated, extended holds etc? It won’t happen. (Although as I type that I realize I didn’t take into full extent the viruses current state)

But I think If that’s what would happen the extent of the financial damage will be unimaginable.

For the vast majority of people the financial repercussions of this will be far worse than any human toll.

Perhaps BC is also part of the Type A strain as the western US and that is partly why we have faired better than Ontario and Quebec who have Type B?

Thunderf00t explains how much of the population needs to adhere to quarantine measures for it to be successful and how import it is for money to be going to the middle class:

You know the world is in trouble when society can’t last 2 weeks without pay before going bankrupt. ��

Could always start by fining people not physical distancing :rukidding:

Hong Kong went through the same things with SARS. It wasn't normal then, and it didn't really become normal all of a sudden. Same as Japan, where mask wearing common even for "fashion" and simply keeping your face warm in the winter.

People adapt

Vaccine isn't automatic either. We have YEARLY vaccines for influenza which kills more people than C19, and does it every year, and it only reduces it by what, 30%?

The main thing we (may) have going with C19 is that it (may) not be seasonal (meaning it won't leap back and forth across hemispheres like influenza, staying alive and mutating every year)

Also a C19 vaccine (MAY) have potential to be used against all coronaviruses, including SARS and even the common cold.

It's all so up in the air, and we learn more every single day. There's no way to count on anything at this point. Just have to deal with it the best we can, day by day. For now that means stay home, and wear a mask if you have to go out. Wash your hands lots. Etc.