Not sure if you're trying to be funny (I hope not), but there are plenty of side effects with the other vaccines. It's just things like fever and chills, not blood clots.

Which is why I compared it to other vaccines, not skipping vaccination entirely.

May 11th Covid-19 Update - 515 new cases, total now 136,623; 426 (+11) hospitalized of which 141 (-9) are in ICU; 6,020 (-120) active cases; 128,149 (+10) recovered; 2,219,856 (+60,753) vaccine doses administered, 110,516 (+4,458) of which are second doses; 2 additional deaths, total now 1,624

60k vaccines in bc in 1 day! we are ramping up!

Yes but as I said, that's only an option if they can get enough of the other vaccines to get people vaccinated at the same rate they would've done by using AZ in addition to the others. If the gap left by AZ isn't filled by another vaccine then it will take longer to get everyone vaccinated and in that time more people will be dying of covid.

It really is a conundrum

AZ sounds like a great shot. NACI says it's inferior to Pfizer and Moderna and you should wait for them if you can. The chances of complications seem a lot higher than the other shots. The shipments are so unreliable that if you get it as your first shot you might have to mix with a different shot for your second dose.

Boy oh boy sign me up!

So you’re more likely to get a serious brain blood clot than die of covid. Also by the numbers you’re more likely to have that blood clot than end up in hospital with covid..

Meanwhile in India

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...out&li=AAggFp5

Your math is incorrect. You are 5000 times more likely to get hospitalized from covid than dying from a blood clot caused by a vaccine.

32 deaths in 21.2 million doses administered in Britain.
There have been 4.4 million cases of Covid in UK. 127000 deaths.
If you up the number of Covid cases to 21(ish) million to get the rates comparable, you'd have approximately 500k deaths (that could drop significantly however due to covid already killing so many of the more vulnerable population, so lets be generous and say 400k deaths)
I may have fucked up the math here, but I think I did it right, you'd be 12500x more likely to die from covid (if you get it) than the vaccine.
You have a 1/17 chance of getting covid in UK, so you are 735x more likely to die from covid than the vaccine, based on 100% of the population getting the AstraZeneca vaccine. Without all the restrictions in place I would say that number would have at least quadrupled, so especially the NO VAX NO TAKE AWAY ARE FREEDOM crowd is WAY the fuck out to lunch with their expectations.
edit: not lumping you in with those nut jobs Honda.

^ don't forget with no restrictions the death rate would've gone screaming up once the health system was beyond maxed out.

Good point I dint think of that the death rate likely would have increased massively.

More drip drip drip news with AZ.

ON not giving AZ anymore.
AB not using AZ anymore ... say it was supply issue.
BC continue to use it.

What will their second shot be for first dose AZ people? If there's only the mRNA ones available will that even be considered a second dose?

^ good question. I guess you can:

a. have AZ as 2nd dose. Done.
b. have Pfizer/Moderna as 2nd dose but I wonder if they would offer a 3rd dose which technically is 2nd does of Pfizer/Moderna.

Got all your bases covered.

If anyone wants to know what the death rates are like once the hospital systems are overwhelmed, look no further than what has been happening in India for past week or two. Brazil has been like that for quite some time too, but I don't think the press is giving it nearly as much attention as India has received of late. And if you have a good memory, recall how things was in the beginning of the pandemic when Italy got hit hard, and their hospitals got overwhelmed.

^ yah when the sh*t hits the fan with Covid (Italy, Brazil, India), the thing I have questions about is what makes a person with Covid worth saving over others with scheduled heart surgeries or scheduled cancer surgery or intestinal surgery, or a MVA? How do you make those ethical decisions?

They look at short term mortality risks as well as chance of survival for a pre-determined period after the onset of critical illness. As pressure builds on the hospital systems, they only treat patients with successively higher chances of survival.

Section 3.2 is how it works in Ontario. I'm sure hospitals everywhere have similar guidelines.

https://www.aodaalliance.org/wp-cont...C-20210113.pdf

i'm looking forward to my possible vaccine cocktail

2 weeks plus now since AZ #1 - NO RAGRETS :fuckyea:

You should take this to the experts all over the world, because many countries are no longer using it. (some have started using it again for >60 year olds since they deem the risk worth it for that age group)

Originally Germany was going to use mrna vaccines as the 2nd for AZ after they banned AZ

But Germany reversed its ban on AZ and J&J the other day and approved them

So ig if ppl aren't getting AZ as a second shot here it'll be an MRNA vax buuuutttt I imagine it'll be AZ or J+J still at the end of the day

Interesting study from SFU economics prof Doug Allen published on SFU domain: Covid Lockdown Cost/Benefits: A Critical Assessment of the Literature http://www.sfu.ca/~allen/LockdownReport.pdf

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In a paper he published in April, in which he compiled his findings based on a review of over 80 papers on the effects of lockdowns around the world, Allen concluded that lockdowns may be one of “the greatest peacetime policy failures in Canada’s history.”

Allen’s cost-benefit analysis is based on the calculation of “life-years saved,” which determines “how many years of lost life will have been caused by the various harms of lockdowns versus how many years of lost life were saved by lockdowns.” Based on his lost-life calculation, lockdown measures have caused 282 times more harm than benefit to Canadian society over the long term, or 282 times more life years lost than saved.

He says many of the studies early in the pandemic assumed that human behaviour changes only as a result of state-mandated intervention, such as the closing of schools and non-essential businesses, mask and social distancing orders, and restrictions on private social gatherings. However, they didn’t take into consideration people’s voluntary behavioural changes in response to the virus threat, which have a major impact on evaluating the merits of a lockdown policy.

“The limited effectiveness of lockdowns explains why, after one year, the unconditional cumulative deaths per million, and the pattern of daily deaths per million, is not negatively correlated with the stringency of lockdown across countries,” writes Allen. In other words, in his assessment, heavy lockdowns do not meaningfully reduce the number of deaths in the areas where they are implemented, when compared to areas where lockdowns were not implemented or as stringent.

Moderna's first shot offers 80% protection why their so slow on the 2nd dose.


the timeline they gave me was 4 months so they can reach the most people.



i didn't hear it was okay for Pfizer/Moderna combo though.. :suspicious:

Pfizer and Moderna are more similar than some of the other vaccines, due to both being mRNA vaccines.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...oses-1.5414562

than its still being studied if you can mix & match.

I don’t know more than the experts. Their choices to stop using it goes deeper than the stats. I don’t doubt that part of it is to try and curb some of the vaccine hesitancy of those who can’t or don’t care to do the math I did and automatically come to the conclusions that the vaccines are more of a threat than the disease. It adds fuel to the fire every time a vaccine has a negative effect and people are so conditioned for covid deaths they don’t notice them anymore.

Given the efficacy of the first dose of the RNA vaccines, why would I just accept being the govts guinea pig? If I don’t get a second Moderna shot, just wait till I do.

Btw. When I got mine the woman who gave me the first shot said I would he contacted within the month to organize the second one. Not sure if she had inside knowledge or she was just talking though