Damn, he sought help too

Good article. Genuinely makes me a bit worried as I believe him when he says he wasn’t properly informed.

I’ll walk if the second dose is AZ.

If the choice was between AZ and nothing honestly I’d probably take nothing lol.. guy would have been fine and almost certainly would have survived covid without taking the az but now he’s gonna he fucked for life

I get numbers are numbers, but this isn’t like hepatitis or TB etc. Buddy would have certainly taken any “long term” covid effects over losing half his guts

Yah ... "eff those boomers who didn't line up for 4 hrs to get the AZ vaccine when it was offered and waited a few more weeks for the Pfizer and Moderna." Just look back a few pages to see that sentiment expressed by some otherwise reasonable individuals here.

And no ... the stats for blood clot is NOT the same for AZ, Pfizer, and Moderna.

The drip drip bad news of AZ is what was legitimately a concern. You don't have to be an effin anti-vaxxer to say no thanks to AZ.

That’s my coworker’s buddy. Scary stuff. I was a little bummed I had to pass on AZ while we were self-isolating but quite happy to have got Pfizer yesterday just a few weeks later. Might’ve dodged a bullet there.

Arm is quite a bit more sore today and I’m feeling a little off for sure. Not quite nauseous but almost.. definitely cloudy anyway.

The most eye catching piece from that article:

Canada needs to stop the AZ roll out immediately if those numbers are even half correct. This AZ debacle has got people skeptical about vaccines even more hesitant to take one, even if it's one of the rMNA's.

Got my Moderna shot today, my scheduled appointment was at 3:00pm, showed up at 2:30pm and was out by 3pm, no wait times.

With flu shots, I'm totally okay with. But with this vaccine shot, it was completely a different hit. Didn't really feel the needle but I felt the fluids going through my left arm.

As of 8pm, my left arm is pretty sore and a bit numb on my left leg.

VPD used Air 1 to disperse beach-goers Sat night

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...xEKq4li8Eyd-EE

what drive-by shootings

In defense of the helicopter not being used for the YVR incident, it probably happened too quickly, and their response time is terrible compared to a high crime city in the US.

But using Air 1 to disperse beach goers? Is that good use of police resources?

apparently it’s not a new tactic, I sure hope it was already in the air and they just asked for a detour

there’s more than 1 around in case the other has to refuel/do maintenance but not sure how feasible it is to have it up often/ how fast it can be deployed and it covers a large area

this is damning. at the very least this situation needs to be carefully reviewed.

this seems to be less about VITT and more about being blown off by doctors when he knew something was wrong. Same thing happened w the woman in edmonton, who was sent him from the ER instead of being thoroughly checked

obviously these are trying times, but it's extremely disappointing that people can't get help until it's too late.

Obviously this is not anything remotely close to 'compensation'. Nothing can replace what the guy (& others) went through but the government saw this coming.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...t-program.html

It's like car companies setting aside a fund to pay off injuries or death as a result of defective parts vs. doing a full recall.

All governments have indemnity programs for the vaccines. When you pass a drug through quickly for emergency use you kind of have to.

It's also why most were quick to halt AZ vaccines as soon as things started looking screwy.

It doesn't help anyone to pretend it's not a big deal when people keep getting bloodclots. I don't know why people keep doing that here

Taiwan up to 300 cases a day. Thailand had just under 10K cases today, most of which are in their prisons

Maybe the countries that "had it easy" over the past year are going to learn the hard way that they can't just "wait it out" as the rest of the world gets vaccinated. They're going to have to do it too.

And these places are still acting like it's March 2020 KEKW

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1WEYOfVcAc4TMl.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1kpR7kVUAQvn8Q.jpg

No ones pretending the blood clots aren’t a big deal. Certainly not anymore than people are acting like covid isn’t a big deal.
This is the way science works. Things evolve as the sample size gets bigger, and if it evolves in this direction, certainly things should be put on hold, especially with the shipments of moderna and Pfizer ramping up.
However UK is still sitting at 209 instances of blood clots in over 22 million people, so now the question is why is that number expected to go up so drastically in the rest of the world?
As said, the issue here was more about the medical treatment he received than the vaccine. The second he called he should have either had an ambulance sent out or have been told to get to the hospital ASAP.

We've been living with Covid for over a year. No one's saying it's not a big deal, but the wait difference between getting an AZ shot and one of the Pfizer/Moderna shots was a matter of a few weeks. Meanwhile the government is telling you the first shot available is the best one, and then suddenly "Uhhh maybe not, but you made the right choice if you took it and didn't end up with a life altering complication!"

You’re saying that based on current knowledge, not the knowledge that we had a few weeks ago.
If we had continued at the pace we did a couple months ago we wouldn’t have been talking about a few weeks, we’d be talking a few extra months. Turning down the az shot today, is a whole lot different than turning it down 2 months ago. No one I know can predict the future, so the decisions someone made in March definitely wasn’t based on the info we have here in may.

I got the AZ shot, while I am not TOO concerned about blood clot side effects, this opinion piece by local author Douglas Coupland summarized my thoughts/concerns pretty well:

https://archive.is/2QsaO

Not only that, the immunization board came out and basically said the AZ shot was in fact inferior and the govt. still tried to push the idea that the best shot was the first one you could get only until they saw the Pfizer Moderna shots arriving and then essentially backtrack on that by pulling AZ as the first dose.

Taiwan only has the az shot though so those Facebook scares from aunties turned out somewhat warranted. They made it this far so I’ll give the govt benefit of doubt to get mrna ones soon or stay on schedule to mfg indigenously but certainly the public needs to change their mindset sitting on its laurels and getting too comfortable with normal

the issue with the clot may also be underreported

if the system didn’t act timely enough for this guy who had lost part of his guts how many more did they turn away?

health canada should just be honest/careful about continually using the term extremely rare

When I was trying to decide whether or not to sign up for the AZ shot or wait for the Pfizer/Moderna shot, I went to this site to look at forecasted vaccine schedules:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...e-rollout.html

I remember seeing that back in April, Pfizer was at ~1m nationwide, but then it was forecasted to jumped to ~2m (double all previous shipments) in the first week of May. The number of AZ shots coming the future also did not give me much confidence in receiving a second dose.

I decided then and there that I would wait and see until the first 2 weeks of May and hopefully they will move to my age group. Good thing because I got my Pfizer shot on May 10 and was able to skip the anxiety caused by an AZ shot.

We knew a couple of months ago that AZ was linked to blood clots, we just didn't know how bad it was. What we all knew was that there were two other options that weren't linked to them, which is why I was against taking the AZ shot from the start.

It's more upsetting that people took how rare problems were as gospel and pretty much made doubters sound stupid for not wanting it injected into their body. Now more cases pop up and it's "Ah well back then the data said..."

Hindsight bias is always 20/20 but I agree.

I think all we can do is learn from this experience and not vilify people next time this comes around. All it takes is for you to be that unlucky statistic and it's all over. Imagine being one of those that have been affected by the AZ blood clots. I don't even know how I'd even begin to live life knowing that there were other safer options out there and I took the jump because the government said it's all good.