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Old 09-03-2010, 01:20 PM   #76
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Back on topic: What if I insist that there was an error in judgment and dispute the ticket? habeas corpus anybody?

I don't expect the court of BC to refund my impound fees and my loss of use of vehicle at the end of a case getting thrown out? WTF? Another unconstitutional law that people need to step up and contest, along with the VI process, yo!
That is a good question.

I don't mind this type of offense being administered at roadside. It is not hard for an officer to determine you were 40+ over the limit, and little you can argue to defend yourself against it in court. It is a pretty open/shut case.

For those who want their day in court to hope the officer knocks it down or doesn't show, it doesn't make you less guilty.

FYI: People have beaten the similar law in Ontario, and the impound/towing fees are not reimbursed.
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protip: pedestrian limbs detach from the body in collisions with objects travelling greater than 90km/h

think about that next time you hit some dude on a bike that came out of nowhere while you were doin 40 over in a 50 zone. thats why his leg came off and thats why the law is 40 over.

ive seen it at 2am on the highway and i really fuckin hope none of you see it, let alone do that to someone.
Well if the guy came out of nowhere, who fault is that?

And what highway are you on that has a 50km/h speed limit?

Obviously 40 over in a 50 zone is excessive but 40 over on Hwy1 (GVRD, currently) is nothing.
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Common sense is no longer common, if it was we wouldn't need ridiculous negative-incentive laws like these.
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I say that to people all the time, "Common sense isn't really common."

It's pretty sad actually. Safety guys at worksites control productivity by constantly pestering workers (real workers, that want to get shit done) with nonsense. Just last week, it took me 6 hours to complete a 1.5hr job that I do, day in day out, for years. Why? He wanted me to do a quick (3hr) safety course before I entered his yard. He wasn't too pleased when I asked if he had a form that excused his company from ALL liability should an accident occur, so I could get to work already.

Anyways, I hate babysitting laws, like you said.

Fuck, learn how to drive. Learn how to operate your car at speed and what it's capable of in case you need to avoid an accident!!! Pay attention. Read your book/do your makeup/text somewhere else, off the road!! Slam on your brakes in an empty parking lot/roadway when it rains/snows so you know how it will react. Driving IS serious business and the people that treat their cars like a fucking office, screw it up for the guys that actually give a shit to drive properly.
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Point is, if I was slapped with huge money fines, the entire time I would be paying them off, without a car, without school, I would just get more and more frusterated, digging myself into a hole, I couldn't even imagine missing my first year of university. I would probably not have learned my lesson, and just become pissed at all the police. But this cop was different, the way he dealt with me completely changed my driving habits....
I'll address this part first:

You changed your behaviour cause you realized just how much sh*t you were in. If the law was more lenient, you would've just taken the fine and been on your way repeating the same bad behaviour. This is why the law must be tough.

Even with the new law, officers are still free to give you the same break.

As for getting pissed at the police - they are enforcing the law, you have no-one but yourself to be pissed at for digging yourself into a hole. It is not the officers fault you were an idiot 17yo driving 120 kmph through a school zone.

Some kid used to speed on my brother's street near a playground. One day he stopped on the street and my brother and his friends pulled him out of the car and dragged him down the street. He made this kid apologize to my niece and nephew for endangering their lives by speeding through their neighbourhood, then promise not to do it again. The kid left shaking, like you, afraid of what the consequences could have been.

Point being, you're lucky it was just an officer that informed you of your bad behaviour. Glad you have smartened up!

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When I was 17, and just got my N, I drove super fast everywhere, didn't give a fuck, like everyone else I was invincible.... One night in mommys Lexus I was pulled over doing 120 in a 30 zone. The cop explained my $1600 in fines (No licence on me, no N, excessive speeding, driving without care, construction zone), also set a court date for me, and told me I had to have the car towed home and I would lose my licence for 6 months to a year.... So I was straight freaked out, basically in tears, How was I suppose to drive to school/work. My parents would disown me... He then started asking about school and what not, and eventually brought the ticket up for me to sign.... which was $90. I asked him what it was about. And he told me that he was just like me when he was young, said to stay in school, and next time put my 'N' on. Obviously there wouldn't be a next time, and I've been driving very safely ever since (2.5 years).
I have a similar story. I'm not preaching, I just hope others should not have to learn the hard way like you and I did.

I was 17yo, caught at 153 in a 90 on an Ontario highway. Automatic court case, automatic 1 month license suspension, $750 fine. Officer did not lower the amount and I went to court for it. My took away my keys and grounded me.

It sucked, I learned my lesson. I hope others don't have to learn the same way.
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In both examples of "learning the hard way", neither of you make mention of putting people in danger. Instead, you learned the hard way because the consequences were so harsh (fines, loss of license etc).

If the consequences weren't so harsh, you would still be speeding around?

The real question here should be:

Does going 40+ over the speed limit automatically make someone a dangerous driver? A driver so dangerous that they must be taken off the road and penalized for it?

I'm a proponent of the idea that speed limits need to be adjusted to a more realistic level before we re-evaluate and adjust our penalty system. Especially on our highways.

Threatening drivers with harsher penalties is not the only way to make our roads safer for all of us. More thorough driver testing and a re-evaluation of the rules of our roads is necessary IMO.

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wow, gonna have to watch my speed limit on the highway from now on. i've never got a speeding ticket yet and i hope i don't start
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what's all the fuss about? 40 over limit is not necessary at all. I'm fine with this law, if you want to risk it and speed, then get ready to pay the fine. $1500 or $700 makes no difference when you're running the risk of taking someone's life away.

You're BB kit can stop faster from 100-0, but can your BB kit bring someone's child back to life if you screw up?

yes i used to speed when i was younger and ignorant. But now i plan ahead and leave a few minutes earlier to get to places on time. A few minutes saved on the highway by speeding is not worth my hard earned money not to mention the risks. I'd rather spend $1000 on 2 track days and go all out and have some fun.
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If the consequences weren't so harsh, you would still be speeding around?
Yes. Most people are only concerned about what affects them, thus why laws must include punishment for them.

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The real question here should be:

Does going 40+ over the speed limit automatically make someone a dangerous driver? A driver so dangerous that they must be taken off the road and penalized for it?
Read ericthehalfbee's post on stopping distance vs speed. Good driving cannot offset the laws of nature.

Just cause your driving is not dangerous does not mean you have not created a situation that would be dangerous to get out of.

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I'm a proponent of the idea that speed limits need to be adjusted to a more realistic level before we re-evaluate and adjust our penalty system. Especially on our highways.
Here's a question in response:
Since most officers turn a blind eye to ~20 kmph over, what are you really gaining with increased speed limits?

The countries of the world with the most driver training also have some of the harshest penalties. Thus it is a double edged sword, if you want higher speed limits with increased driver training, you're going to have to obey them or face harsher punishment.

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Threatening drivers with harsher penalties is not the only way to make our roads safer for all of us. More thorough driver testing and a re-evaluation of the rules of our roads is necessary IMO.
100% agreed.

Until this happens, the laws will continue to evolve to protect society from bad drivers.
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Stop making excuses and obey the fucking rules/regulations then be on your merry way. End of story, deal with it. You can speed all you want and get caught. In the end, people are just going to look at you and laugh. Like a few have said, laws are meant to be tough. If you don't listen then it's your problem and not anyone else's.
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Read ericthehalfbee's post on stopping distance vs speed. Good driving cannot offset the laws of nature.
His post didn't take into account that our roads were designed to be used by vehicles (and parts ie. tires) designed in the 70's and 80's. Present day vehicles are lighter, more maneuverable and stop shorter.

A higher speed limit is warranted if the infrastructure can accomidate the volume.
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Stop making excuses and obey the fucking rules/regulations then be on your merry way. End of story, deal with it.
It's not an excuse when the rules are flawed.

If they made a law that forbade you to eat fast food on Wednesdays, would you just accept it? Poor diet is the leading cause of heart disease, you know.
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Fliptuner, agreed

And to qualify my point further, I'm not talking about changing a school zone from 30 to 70. There are instances where a low speed limit is absolutely necessary.

However, our highways, both in the lower mainland as well as those in the interior, have unrealistic speed limits set. I have driven to Prince George, Golden, Osoyoos, Kelowna, Kamloops and highways in between. The speed limits reflect a time that has long past. It's very easy to go 130 on a road with a speed limit of 90. And in those situations, I fear that drivers are going to be illogically targetted by these new laws.

Does that mean highway speeds should be bumped from 90 straight to 130? No. But moving them up to a more realistic 100 or 110 would increase the threshold and be more in-line with what is nowadays considered "excessive" speeding (150km/h+).

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i dont see why people make such a big deal about this.. i find it good. people who speed excessively should be punished.


for those who think the speed limit should be raised,

well for highways they should be. fuck out highways ARENT even highways.. haha 1 and 2 lanes are called highways here, some even have traffic lights.. thats so lame.
for city, i dont think they should.
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His post didn't take into account that our roads were designed to be used by vehicles (and parts ie. tires) designed in the 70's and 80's. Present day vehicles are lighter, more maneuverable and stop shorter.

A higher speed limit is warranted if the infrastructure can accomidate the volume.
Traffic in the 70s was much lighter than it is today, this is the #1 factor missing from the arguments that cars are designed better.
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speed isnt the factor its more road conditions -,- i went 50 in a 50 zone and still ended up through a brick wall
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while I will agree that driving in the city, 40k over the limit is retarded. Even I don't go 90 in a 50 zone, or 70 in a school zone, HOWEVER.... what about highway 99? the sea to sky. It's speed limit ranges from 60-80 between horsehshoe bay and squamish. any one drive it recently? yea, that's what I thought. 120 is NOT excessive on that road and it's a money grab to impound people for it. Why they put the limits so low, I may never know.
Then you get the coq. speed limit 110, but 150 is not excessive in any modern vehicle on that highway. Sure, not everyone will go 150, but if they made the limits more realistic, I think we'd see less speeding and accidents.

No money from the tickets though


and taylor, please don't respond to my post, I don't want to hear what you have to say.
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while I will agree that driving in the city, 40k over the limit is retarded. Even I don't go 90 in a 50 zone, or 70 in a school zone, HOWEVER.... what about highway 99? the sea to sky. It's speed limit ranges from 60-80 between horsehshoe bay and squamish. any one drive it recently? yea, that's what I thought. 120 is NOT excessive on that road and it's a money grab to impound people for it. Why they put the limits so low, I may never know.
Then you get the coq. speed limit 110, but 150 is not excessive in any modern vehicle on that highway. Sure, not everyone will go 150, but if they made the limits more realistic, I think we'd see less speeding and accidents.

No money from the tickets though and with no tickets, taylor192 will shrivel up into a mazda miata

all in all, this new law is about as retarded as taylor192s sweet paint job.



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BC is turning into Ontario. time to move to alberta.

at least they didn't call it a street racing law like they did in Ontario. F&cking dumbasses over there. apparently one person driving fast = racing. it takes 2 to race geniuses
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I'll address this part first:

You changed your behaviour cause you realized just how much sh*t you were in. If the law was more lenient, you would've just taken the fine and been on your way repeating the same bad behaviour. This is why the law must be tough.

Even with the new law, officers are still free to give you the same break.

As for getting pissed at the police - they are enforcing the law, you have no-one but yourself to be pissed at for digging yourself into a hole. It is not the officers fault you were an idiot 17yo driving 120 kmph through a school zone.

Some kid used to speed on my brother's street near a playground. One day he stopped on the street and my brother and his friends pulled him out of the car and dragged him down the street. He made this kid apologize to my niece and nephew for endangering their lives by speeding through their neighbourhood, then promise not to do it again. The kid left shaking, like you, afraid of what the consequences could have been.

Point being, you're lucky it was just an officer that informed you of your bad behaviour. Glad you have smartened up!


I have a similar story. I'm not preaching, I just hope others should not have to learn the hard way like you and I did.

I was 17yo, caught at 153 in a 90 on an Ontario highway. Automatic court case, automatic 1 month license suspension, $750 fine. Officer did not lower the amount and I went to court for it. My took away my keys and grounded me.

It sucked, I learned my lesson. I hope others don't have to learn the same way.

It was 11 pm at night, 30 km was due to construction. I never drove like that in school zones lol
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at least they didn't call it a street racing law like they did in Ontario. F&cking dumbasses over there. apparently one person driving fast = racing. it takes 2 to race geniuses
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That's what I did a long time ago

Getting your car impounded for going 40km/h over is ridiculous.

So now it's not enough to just fine someone and raise your insurance, they want to withhold your property and make you pay for the impound fees too? What's next, they come to your house and take your TV and fridge too?

I don't care what the logic is behind that.... it SUCKS.

Leave peoples property alone.
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You're right. I was just sharing the reason I drive safely now. There weren't any people around really, just the cop goin the other way. Why can't roads be differet speed limits at different times or conditions, like school zones? Either way, I'm content now and not too concerned about it
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In both examples of "learning the hard way", neither of you make mention of putting people in danger. Instead, you learned the hard way because the consequences were so harsh (fines, loss of license etc).

If the consequences weren't so harsh, you would still be speeding around?

The real question here should be:

Does going 40+ over the speed limit automatically make someone a dangerous driver? A driver so dangerous that they must be taken off the road and penalized for it?

I'm a proponent of the idea that speed limits need to be adjusted to a more realistic level before we re-evaluate and adjust our penalty system. Especially on our highways.

Threatening drivers with harsher penalties is not the only way to make our roads safer for all of us. More thorough driver testing and a re-evaluation of the rules of our roads is necessary IMO.

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Don't give them any ideas!!!!!!

The sea to sky will turn into a 30 zone at night, just in case a deer walks out. Statisticlly, more deers are killed than school kids. I hope ICBC isn't reading this or we'll be going 30k everywhere EXCEPT school zones.

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why does the phrase "i fu*king hate cops!!!" jump into my head when i read this thread?

half the people here are just as bad as those lil wanna be drug dealers....quit doing illegal shit and you wont have a reason to fu*king hate them...

i have no problem what so ever doing the speed limit..sure i may go 10-15km over on the highway....but thats about as much as i would go...theres simply no need to be going any faster...this isnt the indy 500...

but, your responsible for your own actions, if you want to speed then go for it, if you get caught and start bitching about how your vehicle has been impounded...then your a fu*king moron. like the old saying goes "if you cant do the time, dont do the crime"...if you dont want to pay a huge fine...its quite simple...dont speed like a retard.
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