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Old 03-23-2013, 08:27 AM   #376
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there was a hobby shop in new west up 6th ave. the sign was only in japanese. how i had to describe to others was to go up 6th street (or was it 6th ave....anyhow...) and look for the small sign only in japanese.

even if its a name, maybe a crude translation of the name would help.




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I agree with you but how many restaurants only have chinese signage? Personally, I've never had that scenario play out for me where I can't read something.

Taking this a step further (assuming there is a plethora or chinese only signage), what about italian/french/greek restaurants? Instead of Mario's ristorante should it also have Mario's restaurant on the signage as well? You can't apply the proposed change to only one language, it needs to be done universally.
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i have a feeling this whole thread is going sideways.

next thing you know it, im being called a racist because i ordered the black sesame seed pudding because i didnt order a white version of it (if there is such a thing)
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I agree with you but how many restaurants only have chinese signage? Personally, I've never had that scenario play out for me where I can't read something.

Taking this a step further (assuming there is a plethora or chinese only signage), what about italian/french/greek restaurants? Instead of Mario's ristorante should it also have Mario's restaurant on the signage as well? You can't apply the proposed change to only one language, it needs to be done universally.
That's very pertinent, however, ristorante, caffé, and café are examples of linguistic importation. They've been taken directly from Italian and French languages, respectively, without modification, and have become English words. I can think of restaurants with strictly Italian or French names, but they have English translations on the signs as well.
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Manic had this question too.



I'll expand to this.

In the early pages, a mattress business was criticized.

A Chinese radio station caters only to Chinese speaking people, that's totally cool. A Chinese radio station cannot cater to non-Chinese speaking people, that's understandable and acceptable. Mattresses do not intrinsically appeal to a single ethnicity or speakers of a specific language. Mattresses appeal to all people, indiscriminately and equally. The mattress business dedicated considerable effort to Chinese advertising and cursory effort to English advertising, though. The mattress business's advertising implies, it's very predominantly interested in attracting Chinese speaking customers and not very interested in English speaking ones. And the advertising is likely successful, I suspect they have a ninety-five percent or higher Chinese Canadian customer base. In the Lower Mainland, and even Richmond, English is the dominant language. That being the case, the mattress business's choice to appeal to specifically Chinese customers is an anomaly. One, which I believe, can only be explained by an attempt to segregate itself. That's segregation is what I take issue with, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the community being Chinese Canadian. I would be equally opposed to a Caucasian community avoiding visible minorities.



twdm's earlier posts were largely ad homs, which is why he was so sharply criticized for them.
All of this is conjecture. I have highlighted where it's all your opinion without sufficient proof. It's like saying you only go to Vancouver or Burnaby ergo you hate Richmond. But that is baseless as it could just be you have no business in Richmond that would require you to come here.If this ONE specific mattress business is SPECIFICALLY saying, we do not want any other race/culture to shop here, I am sure you could have the AD removed with a formal complaint. If it doesn't and all it sounds to you is as if they didn't want you to shop there then you have no basis for this argument that they want Segregation.

Segregation in itself is where they force you to shop in different parts of the store or go to different toilets eat in different parts of the restaurant. Having a preference to advertise to certain people is just smart marketing because they know they can save on advertising costs and make more money from a specific target market. Say I am trying to sell a Beer that usually only people from Legal Drinking Age(LDA)-30 drink. And I get a rush of consumers. Do you think I will be catering to everyone or focusing on the LDA-30 consumers? But what is that case would I be ageist? No it's not because I AM still catering to them but putting more focus in the target market that is MORE likely to buy the product.

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That's very pertinent, however, ristorante, caffé, and café are examples of linguistic importation. They've been taken directly from Italian and French languages, respectively, without modification, and have become English words. I can think of restaurants with strictly Italian or French names, but they have English translations on the signs as well.
Do note that ristorante and caffé were not imported from Italian and French. They are not in the English Dictionary. They are only valid because you are able to understand it and accept it. But when it comes to Chinese where the languages roots are completely different AND you can't be bothered to learn it. That's when you have trouble accepting it.

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You're arguing on the basis of very superficial understandings of concepts and definitions, which does not progress this or any other discussion. Your issue is not an uncommon one, so please accept this criticism and apply it going forward. While I commend your efforts, I will not respond to further posts by you.

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This might be off topic but I work in tech support and more and more often I have people calling in and just start saying stuff in Chinese. Now if you start speaking English to them over 70% of them will respone back in English and the rest just keep saying Chinese.

What I don't get it is those 70% people are fully capable of speaking English just fine so why not speak English. This is after all Canada where English is one of the offical language. Co=worker always complain people who come to Canada should be test for basic communication skills, if they fail they need to learn English or French. I think this isn't a bad idea. What if say someone is robbing your house or someone is injury in your house and when you call 911 the other person on the line can't understand a thing you say coz you only speak Chinese. It is a very dangerous.
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I welcome intelligent discussion and criticisms, your posts are not either.

You're arguing on the basis of very superficial understandings of concepts and definitions, which does not progress this or any other discussion. Your issue is not an uncommon one, so please accept this criticism and apply it going forward. While I commend your efforts, I will not respond to further posts by you.
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This might be off topic but I work in tech support and more and more often I have people calling in and just start saying stuff in Chinese. Now if you start speaking English to them over 70% of them will respone back in English and the rest just keep saying Chinese.

What I don't get it is those 70% people are fully capable of speaking English just fine so why not speak English. This is after all Canada where English is one of the offical language. Co=worker always complain people who come to Canada should be test for basic communication skills, if they fail they need to learn English or French. I think this isn't a bad idea. What if say someone is robbing your house or someone is injury in your house and when you call 911 the other person on the line can't understand a thing you say coz you only speak Chinese. It is a very dangerous.
With Ecomm911 they have 24hour interpretation services that's available at an instants notice. And as mentioned before as soon as you call in, your location is being tracked So they have your location down to a very small error in case they need to find you.
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This might be off topic but I work in tech support and more and more often I have people calling in and just start saying stuff in Chinese. Now if you start speaking English to them over 70% of them will respone back in English and the rest just keep saying Chinese.

What I don't get it is those 70% people are fully capable of speaking English just fine so why not speak English. This is after all Canada where English is one of the offical language. Co=worker always complain people who come to Canada should be test for basic communication skills, if they fail they need to learn English or French. I think this isn't a bad idea. What if say someone is robbing your house or someone is injury in your house and when you call 911 the other person on the line can't understand a thing you say coz you only speak Chinese. It is a very dangerous.

LOL you get that with Quebecois at the cruise terminal. You know they all can speak damm English but they choose not to. Just drive them into asking a question... perfect english or else fuck all french.
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A Chinese radio station caters only to Chinese speaking people, that's totally cool. A Chinese radio station cannot cater to non-Chinese speaking people, that's understandable and acceptable. Mattresses do not intrinsically appeal to a single ethnicity or speakers of a specific language. Mattresses appeal to all people, indiscriminately and equally. The mattress business dedicated considerable effort to Chinese advertising and cursory effort to English advertising, though. The mattress business's advertising implies, it's very predominantly interested in attracting Chinese speaking customers and not very interested in English speaking ones. And the advertising is likely successful, I suspect they have a ninety-five percent or higher Chinese Canadian customer base. In the Lower Mainland, and even Richmond, English is the dominant language. That being the case, the mattress business's choice to appeal to specifically Chinese customers is an anomaly. One, which I believe, can only be explained by an attempt to segregate itself. That's segregation is what I take issue with, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the community being Chinese Canadian. I would be equally opposed to a Caucasian community avoiding visible minorities.
So I have two questions.
#1. Should a Chinese-language radio station have their signs and advertisements in english as well.
#2. Do you even know the seahorse brand of mattresses?

If you don't even know that brand of mattresses, why do they even bother advertising it to you? It's like advertising Jay Chou or some famous asian singer to a redneck. What is the point? Because there's english, they're all of a sudden going to buy his CDs?

Anyways, there's no point in trying to change the minds of our caucasian overlords. They've even fooled the natives into believing white culture is canadian culture. They can continue to be angry and realize no one else shares their viewpoints while watching their culture crumble around them. Kind of like christians trying to force their beliefs on everyone and see how that worked out.

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So I have two questions.
#1. Should a Chinese-language radio station have their signs and advertisements in english as well.
#2. Do you even know the seahorse brand of mattresses?

If you don't even know that brand of mattresses, why do they even bother advertising it to you? It's like advertising Jay Chou or some famous asian singer to a redneck. What is the point? Because there's english, they're all of a sudden going to buy his CDs?

Anyways, there's no point in trying to change the minds of our caucasian overlords. They've even fooled the natives into believing white culture is canadian culture. They can continue to be angry and realize no one else shares their viewpoints while watching their culture crumble around them. Kind of like christians trying to force their beliefs on everyone and see how that worked out.
actually, Chinese radio does have english on their ads, to aid the speak only. Case in point, I still stand behind the fact that all this signage crap should be left the same.
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So I have two questions.
#1. Should a Chinese-language radio station have their signs and advertisements in english as well.
#2. Do you even know the seahorse brand of mattresses?

If you don't even know that brand of mattresses, why do they even bother advertising it to you? It's like advertising Jay Chou or some famous asian singer to a redneck. What is the point? Because there's english, they're all of a sudden going to buy his CDs?

Anyways, there's no point in trying to change the minds of our caucasian overlords. They've even fooled the natives into believing white culture is canadian culture. They can continue to be angry and realize no one else shares their viewpoints while watching their culture crumble around them. Kind of like christians trying to force their beliefs on everyone and see how that worked out.
1. No, I do not. Cantonese/Mandarin/Punjabi radio stations appeal only those who speak the language, therefore ethnically targeted advertising is justifiable. Cases such as these are rare, but I'd happily exempt any business which fits the model. DarthChilli is correct though, Fairchild has extensive English text on its website; its an interesting point that they have a market of consumers who speak but do not read a language. I hadn't considered that.

2. No, I'm not familiar with Seahorse Mattresses. I have only the most cursory familiarity with North American mattress brands too, though. I have no mattress brand loyalty, I simply purchase the most comfortable option available at a given price point. In my experience, this is most consumers take on mattress shopping.

You've returned to ad hominems and straw mans, which is unfortunate. You're able to present a reasonable argument, although somewhat repetitive. I'm not sure why you're undermining them with blatant logical fallacies.

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This might be off topic but I work in tech support and more and more often I have people calling in and just start saying stuff in Chinese. Now if you start speaking English to them over 70% of them will respone back in English and the rest just keep saying Chinese.

What I don't get it is those 70% people are fully capable of speaking English just fine so why not speak English. This is after all Canada where English is one of the offical language. Co=worker always complain people who come to Canada should be test for basic communication skills, if they fail they need to learn English or French. I think this isn't a bad idea. What if say someone is robbing your house or someone is injury in your house and when you call 911 the other person on the line can't understand a thing you say coz you only speak Chinese. It is a very dangerous.
I find that very rude for someone to just start speaking in English.
When I call someone/business that I don't know, I ALWAYS start with English - then work my way to Chinese if it's necessary (or I feel that the other party's english just won't cut it). Parents do the same... it's what they taught me; Canada speaks English au Francais!
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1. No, I do not. Cantonese/Mandarin/Punjabi radio stations appeal only those who speak the language, therefore ethnically targeted advertising is justifiable. Cases such as these are rare, but I'd happily exempt any business which fits the model. DarthChilli is correct though, Fairchild has extensive English text on its website; its an interesting point that they have a market of consumers who speak but do not read a language. I hadn't considered that.
Although I believe things should stay the same. Having english is the rather important to some when it comes to preserving and teaching the CBC folk who wishes to learn or for those that enjoy the ehtinic media
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Not to derail the original point of this thread, but does anyone know how CanCon law is applied to foreign-language radio stations?
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foreign language content can still be canadian. it doesn't have to be english.

if i make something, and it's in chinese it counts, cuz i'm canadian.


advertisements that are from canadian source. the talk show hosts can blab on, they're canadian.
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Do note that ristorante and caffé were not imported from Italian and French. They are not in the English Dictionary. They are only valid because you are able to understand it and accept it. But when it comes to Chinese where the languages roots are completely different AND you can't be bothered to learn it. That's when you have trouble accepting it.
Incorrect.

Dim Sum.
Pho.
Sushi.

These are items of Asian decent that have entered the 'english' lexicon as representing whatever the fuck dim sum(small dishes of stuff that looks weird?) is, a singular, big bowl of delicious soup(#19 at Purple Lotus, you should check it out) and raw fish served on fancy plates respectively.

Learned it. Accepted it. More than that...I eat 2 of the 3 on a fairly regular basis. Really, #19 at Purple Lotus, you should check it out. It's worth the 2 minutes drive from the next closest pho restaurant.

So here's a tip-get off the cross.
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i have a feeling this whole thread is going sideways.

next thing you know it, im being called a racist because i ordered the black sesame seed pudding because i didnt order a white version of it (if there is such a thing)
umm... aren't you suppose to order the yellow version?
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Incorrect.

Dim Sum.
Pho.
Sushi.

These are items of Asian decent that have entered the 'english' lexicon as representing whatever the fuck dim sum(small dishes of stuff that looks weird?) is, a singular, big bowl of delicious soup(#19 at Purple Lotus, you should check it out) and raw fish served on fancy plates respectively.

Learned it. Accepted it. More than that...I eat 2 of the 3 on a fairly regular basis. Really, #19 at Purple Lotus, you should check it out. It's worth the 2 minutes drive from the next closest pho restaurant.

So here's a tip-get off the cross.
So then you should have no issue with 點心 or 壽司 since they are of Asian descent and you technically have become acclimatized to it. Since what you listed is just the Romanji version of those characters.
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Indeed. Romaji is the Japanese word used when "romanizing" Japanese words. I think what he meant was the "Romanization" of those dishes.
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Indeed. Romaji is the Japanese word used when "romanizing" Japanese words. I think what he meant was the "Romanization" of those dishes.
Haha in Mandarin it's basically Romanji as well... But yes some restaurants do change the style of their cooking to appeal to our palates that strays from the traditional dishes.
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There's a punjabi station that broadcasts out of Blaine to skirt the CanCon law....
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Anyways, there's no point in trying to change the minds of our caucasian overlords. They've even fooled the natives into believing white culture is canadian culture. They can continue to be angry and realize no one else shares their viewpoints while watching their culture crumble around them. Kind of like christians trying to force their beliefs on everyone and see how that worked out.
What the fuck are you talking about?

Natives haven't been "fooled" by anyone, they are human beings, and they still value their ancestry greatly. I didn't even know that there was a caucasian way of life, so how could it be crumbling around me? I know that I like enjoying the outdoors, having BBQ's, working on cars, and hanging out with friends, but those aren't racially exclusive activities, are they? If you know of any specific "white people" activities, please enlighten me, because I find that my "white life" corresponds with what a lot of other people like to do in this country (and around the world).

You're attaching english to caucasians like it's the 16th century, times have changed, and so has the english language. English no longer has a jurisdiction, and it does not belong to anyone of any race, it's simply a language that is used by many in many different countries. If mandarin was Canada's official language, I would be speaking it, but it's not. This is why I find this english debate rediculous, as it does not pertain to any race at all, and yet many seem to take it as such.

We speak english and french here, mostly english, therefore I find it offensive that some people choose to completely disregard it when they CHOOSE to move here.

Your post is indirectly racist and you should feel bad.
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