I'm just saying, you can criticize China for a lot of things but using slaves to create complex consumer electronics and vehicles is not one of them. It's a trope of a dismissive taunt every time someone says "oh why can't we build a highspeed rail system or x infrastructure like China does" and the response is "we can't because sLaVeS". It's just a total copout response that benefits no one but the power-broker decision makers that keep us in the dark ages and refuses to invest in a public good.

Slaves are ideally used for manual repetitive tasks or service labour. Something that Western countries should know plenty about.

Especially with lack of public charging unless they adapt NACS.

^^ well who else besides Tesla has pubic charging, no one. That's not really a manufacturer problem, that's a gov infrastructure problem, how many EV chargers did you see built? And they want to ban gas cars when? 2035? They can't even figure out the power grid with the lane ways they want to build.

https://i.ibb.co/h7C6YbL/IMG-7019.png

I wonder if Elon would be open to sharing NACS charging to China EV’s?

Since SAE has already adopted NACS as a the J3400 standard, doesn't that mean anyone who wants to use it can go ahead with doing so?

lucid > tesla, too bad like a few ppl mentioned, not sure how long the company can stay above water

^ they were never above water, I just watched the review and it does look like a very good product. How much is that here like $100k I rather have this over taycan. They do have Saudi oil money doe, but something is fishy about that 380 million CEO pay when the company isn't profitable like this

Typical for tech / innovation companies to be unprofitable early on. Netflix, Tesla, Facebook, Twitter, were unprofitable for years despite being public.

Companies need to invest money to build the foundations of their operations which takes a lot of money. It isn't until they start actually scaling when they can build efficiencies that they start possibly generating a profit.

https://i.postimg.cc/DwLKMc44/IMG-5276.jpg
EV tugs are here. We have two in service already. I went to tour one and it’s pretty neat. Has these 360 degree drives that spin the thing like a chopper.

Caveat: 10mil more than conventional tug. Plus operational expenses….. so you won’t be seeing a lot of these around

^ what is range and where do you plug that MF in to recharge?

Sounds like a great deal.

10 mil more.... wait... how much are regular tug boats?

https://haiseamarine.com/our-vessels/harbour-tugs/

^ how long will it take to recover or make up the difference of $10M of diesel fuel? And can it use HOV lane in the rivers and seas?

reg is about 5-7mil. This is 10mil on top, so you can basically buy 2 regular tugs for the price of this thing.

Its a marketing/environmental offset vehicle. The value case scenario isnt there for sure but it looks great in brochures and advertisements

Ok but. Is it eligible for the EV rebate?

Am I seeing more articles about the rise of hybrids as a transitional vehicle and a decrease interest in pure EV's ... or is it just my reading search algorithms?

I know things here in YVR are different, we have a high number of EV's and early adopters, there is decent infrastructure and charging (although stories of people waiting in line during peak summer travel) but when you visit different cities, EV buy in just isn't there. Toyota, Ford, etc. are still producing more hybrids.

Carmakers pumped the brakes on hybrid cars too soon
https://www.vox.com/climate/24071894...rd-electric-ev

Not really didn't people say phev is like the worse of both worlds due to double maintenance and complexity

A million Prius taxi cabs can't be wrong

Okay, the Aptera has my attention. 200/400/600/1000 mile ranges. Only concern is a lack of heat pump. Hopefully that can be worked out once it goes to production.

I don't know that it's more news now than before - hasn't Toyota consistently touted the fact that we'd be better off spreading 100kwh of batteries across 5 cars instead of one to achieve emissions reductions? It makes lots of sense considering that the vast majority of trips (90%?) are under 50kms.

Buying a pure EV is better environmentally only if you're counting your own impact (or if we could produce enough EVs) but we'd be better off overall switching 5 people to a PHEV instead (or 100 to partial hybrids which would net you a 25-40% improvement in emissions).

yah, I don't know if I buy the hybrids are the worst of both worlds argument. EV's don't need a whole lot of maintenance from what is posted here. Tires, brakes, etc. are all similar/common whether you have an ICE and EV. So at worst, a hybrid is like the worst ICE vehicle.

For 90% of the time, if car is used for commuting or errand running, a ~50-75 kms range would be more than sufficient, and you can plug the thing in overnight at 120V, no need to go ape on 220V ... seems like a good transitional vehicle for 5-7 years until they can get the EV vehicle better. That and if you need to go on a long trip, you don't have to worry about long charges and long waits at Tesla Supercharge stations.

From the reviews I've seen phev is more $$ than the hybrid counter parts, unless you can run full EV all the time with 50km range daily, if you have to run the gas motor, it's not as efficient as the hybrid models, cuz it's heavier and got more crap in it.

With a pure EV, the maintenance is next to nothing. In 5 years of EV ownership I have replaced tires twice, wipers a few times, and cabin air filter a few times as well. Brakes shouldn't need to be done for at least 100k km on an ev that uses one pedal driving.

PHEV still has to do all of the regularly scheduled maintenance on an engine too. It just seems like a waste to spend all that money on a PHEV and still have to pay for gas and maintenance on the engine.

^ I wouldn't consider it a waste. Suppose I have an ICE now, but with a PHEV, I'd have a car that is in the > 50 mpg (equivalent) range if it is a PHEV. No worries about range anxiety on long trips. I would have had to do maintenance on an ICE anyhow. My gain is the excellent fuel mileage and a bit of social consciousness in using less fuel.