These companies are “decreasing” EV production to focus on other projects like hybrid, hydrogen, diesel, ect because they're losing money due to shitty sales numbers and they know they cant keep up with the competitive pricing and tech of the big dog.

Responding to the market.

One of the Diesel brothers has bought the rights to the Nikola Badger pickup truck, ATV's and jet ski's. The former CEO's has been sentenced to 4 years in jail but is out on appeal. The company just won't die.

I just started seeing this guy a few weeks ago on the Cletus channel. What’s his deal? Self made YouTube star or what? Crazy

He and his buddies had a show on discovery called Diesel Brothers for 8 years. They build brodozers. They got sued for building trucks that rolled coal..


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_Brothers#Lawsuit

Went away for the long weekend to Vernon and ended up cramming into my friend's Model 3 RWD after I discovered a nail in my tire.

The charging speed was honestly quite impressive, this was a LiFePo model iirc and even with the supposed lower charging rate in the cold it was still pretty quick at the Hope and Merritt Superchargers. It did lose more charge quicker when it was -16c out vs when it was -5c out but that's a well known problem I guess. There was a charger at the destination so that kept the car topped up overnight.

The seats were not super comfortable for long road trips. The seating position/shape is a bit odd for me I guess and I developed some aches and pains sitting both in the front and the rear due to contour/headrest shape. Seatbelt mount is a bit high - kept on riding up to my neck and I had to trap it under my outboard arm to stop it from doing that and feel comfortable.

Regular autopilot kept on getting confused by stopped/slow trucks in the right lane, and braked hard. Very jarring. Also very sensitive to any sort of steering torque input, it would disengage the lane keep very easily.

Other than the seat shape and autopilot braking confusion, not bad.

^would you buy one?

No, since I don’t find the seats comfortable. Otherwise it’s a maybe. Still have issues with parts of the car, the UI/UX and other bits of potential trouble down the road.

^The Model Y has the same seats and is a bit more comfortable due to its higher mounting position compared to the 3.

It's more roomy and comfortable than the EX30 seats in the brief moment I was inside the Volvo (IIRC you were looking at one of those)

lol @ stopping in merrit and hope to get to Vernon

That’s a full stop for me. Get me to Kelowna from the lower mainland on one charge without spending 100k and I’ll consider it

can you just put some gel ass cushion in the back for passengers?

or is that a no-go b/c newer versions have heated/cooled back seats?

maybe it's been so long since i've been a passenger in the back, but i don't recall any back seats being too comfortable tbh...

It's been a few years since I have driven to the Okanagan, but I don't remember a single time when I drove from home (in Vancouver) to my Okanagan destination without breaks in between. In particular, I'd probably do at least 1 gas stop in Mission / Abbotsford / Chilliwack, and likely another one when I get to Osoyoos (if I'm going to Oliver) or Merrit / Kamloops (if I'm going to Kelowna).

If you have an iron butt so to speak, good for you. But personally, I don't see anything wrong with taking L3 charging breaks in a road trip as long as the damn chargers work (and are available). It's just a different spin to the traditional road trip breaks, although it kind forces you to stay on the major routes in the foreseeable future.

For the most part, the Tesla charging network seems to be very good along major (hwy) routes, and that is a major appeal to buying Teslas. Non NACS EVs, on the other hand, are still falling short. And IMO, (non NACS EV) owners are asking for trouble and/or significant delays in their road trips if they go on road trips in their EVs.

The panic braking on the highway is something else... RIP for anyone following too close behind you... was riding in my friend's in Calgary last weekend and some car drifted its wheels like 1cm over the line in the lane next to us and the auto-pilot SLAMMED the brakes on... everyone's head flying forward and me and my gf are like what the fuck??? and he's like "Oh yah it's just like that, overreacts to everything it's normal don't worry about it"... uh yah ok???? Normal hey? Any human driver would just slow down a bit or honk or change lanes or be like that guy's stupid and continue on.


It's only a 5 hour drive man! Why you gotta stop 2-3 times? Maybe 1 stop for lunch depending when you leave...

Shit I do 15 hours to San Fran sometimes straight through, yes there are 5-10 minute gas stops a couple of times and take a piss or a drive through but that's about it. Having to wait around for 45+ minutes is a deal breaker for me.

i also did a straight shot from sf to vancouver in the sc430 last year. Only stopped for gas and i left SF at 1100am. Got back to vancouver at 230am. Helluva fun drive. Just enjoyed the scenery, listened to some podcast, and floated by.

Id probably be able to that in an EV but i think i would have needed 3-4 stops and wouldnt have been able to make it in 1 day.

I typically straight shoot 3-4hrs at a time. No point stopping if you don't have to, all the cars you've spent so much effort on overtaking would just pass you now. :lawl:

We came back from Bellevue yesterday straight shot until the border when we filled up.

That's the thing for me with an EV, even with a L3 it's still at least 20-30min stop IF there's a charging spot available that's not broken (the throttle house guys took something like 5 tries to find a charger that worked). A gas stop is 5 mins, 10 tops if I buy a snack. The time adds up so a 5 hour drive is all of a sudden 6 hours.

This just goes back to PHEV being the best compromise for me. Yes it doesn't get nearly as good mileage as a regular hybrid but we roadtrip like 3 times a year. Now if the X5 edrive would just come down in price. :pokerface:

If I'm dropping 60k on a new car I'd expect the seats to work for me, otherwise I am buying something else.

The emergency braking is there to apply the shortest braking distance in order to avoid a collision. I would think if it's a chain of cars that have that system in place most of them will be able to detect and stop in time until maybe 10 or so cars back when the delay adds up and finally it crunches.

The system in our X3 is also violent, and so are Hondas. We were following a new FL Civic on I5 north, the Civic switched lanes to the right and was preparing to get off. I think the driver let off the brake as the line came to a stop and we saw the Civic violently threw on the anchors and the driver jerked hard forward. Wife commented on why the Civic stopped so hard, it did not look comfortable. But yeah it's better to hitting the truck in front of it though.

And yes, no EV for us unless the deal is just too good to pass up. The Tesla Y is getting close, but not quite there yet. If the Y LR AWD comes down to below 50k out the door then I think the trade off may be worth it.

We were planning on taking the Audi wagon because more space + roof racks for snowboards, but found a nail in an unpatchable area in the driver rear tire. :seriously:

Long weekend Friday at 4PM, fuck it we'll take his car. He was also being conservative due to cold + first time road tripping the Tesla. In the summer it likely could've made it in one stop.

The Tesla charging network is truly impressive I have to say. And yeah, in the gas car we would have stopped at least once anyway for pee break + gas top up etc.

Yeah that part of it basically made the ACC a bit annoying to use. Fucking Tesla Vision.


When you travel with SOs or people with less of an iron bladder it's gonna be a stop after 2-3 hours anyways. I don't mind.

Btw the charging was very quick, we regained ~200km of range in about 15 mins. So the stops were more like 15-20 mins, we didn't charge past 80% because the charging curve slows down apparently.

It took roughly 5h 30m to get down from Vernon, with a 20 min charging stop in Merritt. Going downhill was a lot better on battery, as well as the weather warming up.

Yeah the seats are the biggest deal breaker to me. If I can't comfy in them I don't think there's any point in buying the car as you would hate it.

Case in point the M Sport seats. I really don't like them. Otherwise I'd probably be in a M340i or X3 M40i.

If you do a 2h+ road trip twice a month or more, just don't buy an EV.. it's not the right car for the job. But for daily usage/commutes, i find a tesla hard to beat.

For road trips get a long range roastpuff was riding in a rwd “standard range”.

No doubt, 12-13 hours straight shot with just small stops for bio,gas, and a quick bite is also the norm for us.

Our house to Muchalat Lake, ~5 hours, we stop once for gas in Campbell River.
(Driving an EV truck pulling my trailer that'd probably be a 8-9 hour drive with the charging stops, no fucking thank you).

That's a pretty expensive grocery getter.

Yeah, a LR would be preferred for sure. We didn't have much choice due to the tire situation on the Audi, and didn't want to lose a day of skiing/snowboarding.

EDIT: Said tire situation

The only problem with Tesla on road trips is having to limit your destinations to places along major highways.

Not a problem for... I'd say 99.999% of the general population.

But if you travel frequently to middle of nowhere places for outdoor activities, those are the only people that I don't recommend EV at all.

For everyone else, I think EVs... or at least Tesla, you'd be fine. The charging network is super comprehensive along major routes. And at the speed that V3 superchargers can do (250kwh), the stop is minimal. You barely have time to plug it in, walk to the toilet and pee.

Once V4 reach its full potential (rated to reach 1mwh, well... 960kwh if you want to be precise) and there's enough availability, the whole discussion is over.

Yes, you need to make stops. But the charge would take no more than 5 minutes each time. But unless you are doing some cannonball run, you'd stop that much time with ICE too.

I don't want to throw a curve ball... and it is a very niche problem....

If you have babies, kids or pets in the car... then the 1 stop every 2 hours becomes more of a mandatory event than an optional hassle because you have to charge up...

Having said that.... yea... no way the Model 3 is going anywhere beyond Whistler/Harrison Hot Springs... anything beyond that will be in the Prius Prime lol...

Whistler is like the perfect distance, just under 300KM round trip...I remember driving like a douche and came home at around 15%.... my wife took the kids to Squamish and came back with 60% and I was like... how....lololol

I have yet to use a super charger.... but I only heard good things....

One thing about the basic autopilot (which is what I have, the free basic one that came with the car)... is that once you are on the hwy.. change the following distance from the defualt "2" to "5" or "6", it eliminates the hard braking altogether. Have used this system multiple times going to abbotsford/mission/chilliwack/whistler... works like a charm even in stop and go traffic (yes, people will cut you off, but I am chatting with the kids anyways and I am not racing to get home, meh...)

It's no worse than the Prius adapative cruise control with the added benefit of "auto-steer" more or less auto-centering in your lane....

:troll:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0urM...NndTBpM21qcjls

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/20...nadian-pricing

I don't get it

Starting price CX70 PHEV is more expensive than the CX90 PHEV:fulloffuck:

EDIT:

I haven't looked at the spec sheet, but the dollar figure alone was a surprise