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twitchyzero 12-06-2025 03:04 PM

they're still losing about 50% per Air sold
voice assistant gaslighting you big time is wild lol

bcrdukes 12-06-2025 03:14 PM

I'm confused. Is Lucid good or bad? :confused:

Can't be any worse than Toyota. Please at least tell us that.

supafamous 12-06-2025 03:42 PM

The business of building good cars, like good airplanes (Not you 737-Max, not you DC-10/MD-11), is super expensive and a lot of these EV startups are finding out how expensive it is so it's no surprise that someone like Lucid is dropping the ball on things.

Badhobz 12-06-2025 04:48 PM

Well so much for buying the gravity then. If the can’t even get the air right how long will I have to wait for them to fix the gravity and all its issues

EvoFire 12-06-2025 05:45 PM

So on the video, I believe the heated seats on the rear come on based on temperature and occupancy. When we test drove the Gravity the heated seat came on automatically. He probably has automatic on and doesn't know.

Other stuff like the carplay flipping on issue is common on BMW as well. You turn the car on and it picks up whatever it picks up. The other stuff like not connecting also happens on iDrive 8 and up, our X5 occasionally goes nuts and needs a soft reset to clear it's buffers or stack or something. That's why I have said the latest iterations of iDrive has gone backwards. Seems to be a common issue across multiple brands.

I've also had the music cut out on the X3 and X5, and I've heard of it happening on other brands. One time I had only tweeters and no mid and lower speakers on it was trippy.

But yeah I'd avoid the Gravity, it's a wait until year 3 or 4 kind of car. Tesla took a long time to work out it's kinks, same with Rivian. VW is trying to figure out it's shit with their ID line.

bcrdukes 12-06-2025 08:54 PM

Since you guys hate plastic so much in cars (especially Toyota!) have you guys heard of Dacora Motors? Apparently, there is no plastic in the interior of their cars.

They also only start at $500K USD. :pokerface:

Badhobz 12-08-2025 12:16 PM

https://www.autoblog.com/reviews/we-...out-the-hassle

This is quite interesting. So its basically an EV but Nissan added an ICE to charge the battery. Thus removing the range issue and complexity of PHEV. Probably the first revolutionary thing nissan has done since the OG nissan leaf.

JDMDreams 12-08-2025 12:19 PM

That's not new, isn't the BMW i3 i8, a lot of China phev do this

headhunt3r 12-08-2025 01:15 PM

I drove a Nissan Note e-Power in Japan in Sept. It was a rental, and a fine no-fuss commuter car. They're around.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...716-h1287-s-no

Dbone 12-08-2025 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 9204272)
https://www.autoblog.com/reviews/we-...out-the-hassle

This is quite interesting. So its basically an EV but Nissan added an ICE to charge the battery. Thus removing the range issue and complexity of PHEV. Probably the first revolutionary thing nissan has done since the OG nissan leaf.

Revolutionary? Fisker did it years ago... and the Porsche mag that started arriving at my house for some reason tells me that they tried the same thing 125 years ago. Mazda also put something out a few years ago that does this. (Also, that's the plan with the new Wankel if they ever do it)

I have a friend that does consulting on hybrid and electric vehicles. He took me through a presentation once that he gave a certain Chinese car company a few years ago. There is no scenario where it's better from an efficiency point of view to have an engine charge a battery than drive the wheels.

I could imagine it's cheaper to develop and maintain but it's a worse product for the consumer.

bcrdukes 12-08-2025 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dbone (Post 9204297)
Revolutionary? Fisker did it years ago... and the Porsche mag that started arriving at my house for some reason

I think he was knocking Nissan specifically because they simply haven't been innovative at all (depending on which side of the fence you stand on, I guess.)

Is the magazine Christophorus or the PCA one? Likely your dealer subscribed you or got you a complimentary membership.

Dbone 12-08-2025 02:12 PM

Christophorus. Never heard of it before. It's all watches and jewelry for the mistress.

Right.. yes, Nissan. FeelsBadMan

JDMDreams 12-08-2025 02:14 PM

I think the Chevy Cruze did this also

AstulzerRZD 12-08-2025 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9204301)
I think the Chevy Cruze did this also

Volt and Honda ended with the same conclusion - once you're on US highway speed (130kmh+) you need direct engine to wheel connection.

Quote:

The weakness of a series hybrid is when you’re on a highway at 75 mph—then an electric motor is not at its most efficient, but an internal combustion engine is. Pandikuthira said the Rogue package has been specifically tuned for the U.S. market. Where Qashqai “is set up for dense traffic conditions,” the Rogue package will be better tuned for the sort of highway driving Americans are used to.
Nissan publicly said their current ePower is weak on hills and sustained power - in EU uses 160HP 3 cyl 1.5T variable compression motor and in Latin America it uses 150HP NA engine.
Even UK people driving on flat highway said the sustained power derates to like 70-90HP.

Quote:

Ike Gauntlet is 13km, 700m gain, 7% grade.
The TFL guys might need to start doing this for hybrids and PHEVs.
This test is the about the same as Cypress Mountain from Highway 1 but at 100kmh.

Some numbers:
Time wise:
- RAV4 Hybrid/XTrail eHybrid batteries (~2kWh) would deplete in 1-2 minutes.
- RAV4 PHEV battery is large enough to complete the climt

Power wise:
- RAV4 and XTrail hybrid engines are just powerful enough to hold 100kmh. 100WHP is required, meaning 160 HP from N/A engine at elevation.
- Adding any aero drag like a roof box or any speed means the car will lose speed: 120WHP or 200HP N/A is required at 120kmh.


roastpuff 12-09-2025 02:33 PM

https://www.openroadaudi.com/en/inve...0aAttfEALw_wcB

Hmm this is quite interesting. Price dropped quite a bit even though KM is so low.

JDMDreams 12-09-2025 06:46 PM

^ ev has bad depreciation? I dunno how good Honda, GM os, EV is

AstulzerRZD 12-09-2025 07:42 PM

This isn't the Silverado/Sierra/Escalade that beat every other EV in basically every way, it's the shitty Blazer.
It doesn't even have active lane keep assist.


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