Charging rates, batteries, blah blah.. I don't know how anyone justifies buying a car from a company where the CEO is directly responsible, by all estimates, for the deaths of over 100,000 people worldwide (and climbing for years to come) through their side project of gutting USAID based purely on their misinformed beliefs in conspiracy theories.

Tesla can go fuck itself.

10-80% time and rate is pretty std industry benchmark.

Once again we agree,
https://evkx.net/models/tesla/cybert...chargingcurve/
Cybertruck 130kw on a 120kWh pack is 1.2C
Silverado 260kw on a 200kWh pack is also 1.2C.
Not that impressive but the end product result is good for cold weather/towing.

OTOH…
2021 Ioniq has been doing 180kW average on a 77kw (2.3C).
2025 CLA and iX 3 are like 200kw+ on 90-110kWh for 2.2C.
2025 Chinese are doing 3-400kw on a 80kWh pack now for 4-5C average.

If these were Silverado sized at 200kWh, they'd be averaging 5-800kW.

I completely agree, BUT! BUTTT!!!! if you remove butt fuck Elon from the equation, the cars themselves are... sigh.... reasonable..... i guess? Kinda like if you were to buy a porsche/VW and just ignoring the genocidal leadership that spawned the brands. :badpokerface:

You can wait for chinese communist cars to come, but then you would be sponsoring another dictatorship regime, or buy a korean car and support those nasty Chaebols that are just as trashy and asshoey. What can you do, nobody's innocent.

Tesla is about 90–95% of the way to full self-driving, but I don’t think they can reach 100% with their current hardware.

I took my dad’s Model X to Vancouver this weekend. It was raining, and a car on the opposite side of the road hit a large puddle, sending a huge wave of water onto the vehicle. Self-driving disengaged and I had to take over. A couple of times, I also got warnings saying that if one more sensor was blocked, I would need to take control.

If I can't sleep in the car while it drives it's not 100% self driving.

If you asked me even just a few weeks back before we got V14, I'd say the same thing. But since V14, I believe autonomy has been solved. I am doing weekly runs up to Whistler and I have always run FSD 100% of the trips. Not once I felt that I needed to take over and I just play podcast or audiobook the whole way through. The fact that it would still somehow ask you to take over is merely a safety parameter more than anything. But I have yet to run into a scenario where FSD would ask me to take over. And this is through pouring rain with slushy and still got me to Whistler no prob after sunset through that entire chaos on Second Narrow and Burnaby stretch.

My wife has always been skeptical on FSD than I am. But even her now runs FSD most of the time so that she could keep her mind off driving. Once you get used to FSD, even supervised version, it's hard to go back.

It's like an argument we had a while back about backup cameras. Could you live without one? sure. But once you got used to one, it feels totally awkward to not have one.

Oh look a beautiful highway with lots of curves and fun things to do driving, I'll let the computer take over yayyyyyyyyy

I am curious though, when passing lanes open up, does FSD douche it up and drive in the fast lane or pass cars with no urgency whatsoever?

Depends on which mode you are in. Sloth to Standard is right lanes by default. Sloth would kinda follow, while chill is kinda up to speed limit and standard is speed limit+whatever extra you set. If the right lane car is below that, it'd change lanes to overtake. Both Hurry and MadMax still take right lanes when not passing but makes a lot more lane changes and drive more aggressive.

If you give it enough permission (speed limit relative to traffic for example), it'd be quite mind blowing. But no. FSD doesn't block the passing lane because it's aware of cars behind. Sometimes I'd notice and it turns the signal while passing because it wants to get out of the way as soon as it passes to allow the car behind to go.

And the whole curvy highway gets old when I'm doing like 3 trips a week.

What does this even mean... You say the same thing every few months - Tesla is amazingballs now! The latest update is the shits!

If the AI models hit the guardrails and warns the user, you think it's merely a "safety parameter", and you can just ignore it? Okay bud. Who needs to spike their holiday drink when you're still wasted from the Kool-aid. Honestly, even if their shit was now bulletproof, the fact that this company is willing to use human lives to beta test high risk features in the wild with exaggerated companies makes me fundamentally disagree with this company.

3 times a week to whistler yuck, where’s your private chopper???

Does it keep the left lane if you changed into it manually?

One occasion coming down the Coq this Model 3 just hogged the left lane. The guy was clearly not driving and it sat on the left lane doing 100, passing 2 semis doing like 95.

We got past the semis and it still didn't move over and I was pretty fucking annoyed.

You mean how people benchmarks the beetle :troll:

I love when Teslas are the stars of the show!

I wonder if you could pull in front of it and slow down to make it want to move over.

Though I wouldn't trust those turds to not glitch and speed up into the back of me instead.

I've heard the FSD reacts to hazard lights... if you were in front of it and popped your hazards, I'm guessing the FSD would react to avoid a collision?

You meant if I started FSD while in the left? If so, yes, unless it thinks that there are too many slow moving cars on the right. In this case, it would continue to overtake until the right lane is kinda clear with no cars behind. If there was a faster car, it'd merge right, allowing the fast car to pass and then back on left lane again.

As for moving in the front and slow it down, it would work at first, but if the left lane is clear, it would still change lane to overtake.

FSD reacts to emergency vehicles as well as hazards and has its own reasoning to act accordingly. V14 is really at a point where both me, my wife and my friend are all comfortable letting the car drive itself pretty much anywhere and in any condition. I now mainly drive myself because I wanted to go at a pace outside of the speed limit I want to set (+/- 10%) or take some shortcuts like back alley lanes and find parking that is not in its algorithm to do (it has preference on major roads/hwys or wider spots). But it's the first version that made me feel that autonomy has been solved. Before V14, I'd still keep my hands on the steering to takeover anytime. But now I feel confident enough to not have it on and again, not in perfect conditions either. Rain, snow... whatever. It just drives.

Did some research and stand by my statement. My dads 2021 Model X will not be able to full self driving with the hardware it has. V14 is only available with hardware 4. My Dads X has Hardware 3. Must said they would do upgrades last January but I am not holding my breath. He said hardware full would be capable of level 5 self driving.

I wonder if Hardware level 4 will be able to do level 5 self driving.

how does waymo in the States do full autonomous driving? What, if any, are the restrictions with that?

why you gotta bring Elon into the Tesla equation...

I have to say, from a value to product propersition, I wanna say Model 3 is nearing the top. And I worked in the industry, no other EV came close at the time when I was shopping around.

I bought my model 3 purely from a financial stand point because a second family car was needed, and the defualt Camry/Accord math only came out ahead in the first 4 years of ownership. With my Model 3 now sitting closer to 70k KMs, the math would have worked out already (BUT FUCKING Model 3 resale value tanked like a motherfucker)....

I did my math based on COVID resale values of Camry/Accord/Model 3

Now my only chance is be like those Uber drivers, bring the model 3 to 200,000KM and beyond and come out even lololol

Its okay...gonna stay put, daughter is getting N in 3 years... will have another opportunity to get a 3rd vehicle then~

USAID is controlled by Congress and the President, not Elon or Tesla.

Damn model 3 or a Prius prime when she's a noob. My 16 yrs old self is jelly! Unless you're 3rd car is going to be a EF civic for her:alonehappy:

Wouldn't you saved all the money already from not having to pay for 70000 km worth of gas?

Elon was the head of doge and they cut the funding.