Not going to lie, working in tech, I'm a fan of this idea :lol

Outsourcing to India has become absolutely brutal in the US and Canada.

Not that I would expect you to be able to think beyond the title of a news article, bro...

These workers entered the US with an ESTA visa that doesn't allow them to do construction work. They knowingly violated the terms of their visa. LG got busted for this in the past. You can't just abuse ESTA to bypass getting the correct L-1, H-1B, H-2B visas.

LG reported that some arrested were their employees on business travel from Korea.

As for Indians in tech/business. Here is a list of some of the companies headed by Indians. It includes Microsoft, Google and Micron. India has some of the best tech schools in the world.



Summary Table
Name Company / Role Notes
Satya Nadella Microsoft CEO since 2014
Sundar Pichai Google / Alphabet CEO since 2015 / 2019
Shantanu Narayen Adobe CEO and Chair
Arvind Krishna IBM CEO since 2020, Chair since 2021
Vimal Kapur Honeywell CEO since June 2023
Sachin S. Lawande Visteon CEO since June 2015
Dheeraj Pandey DevRev CEO since 2020 (co-founder)
Neal Mohan YouTube CEO since 2023
Nikesh Arora Palo Alto Networks CEO
Laxman Narasimhan Starbucks CEO since 2023
Leena Nair Chanel CEO since 2022
Sanjay Mehrotra Micron Technology CEO, one of highest-paid
Anirudh Devgan Cadence Design Systems CEO
Ajei S. Gopal ANSYS CEO
Jay Chaudhry Zscaler CEO
Vasant Narasimhan Novartis AG CEO (pharma)
Reshma Kewalramani Vertex Pharmaceuticals CEO since 2020
Shailesh Jejurikar Procter & Gamble (starting Jan 1, 2026) Incoming CEO

Brutal in what way?

That's a list of Naturalized Americans. Anyways, CEO just means they know how to play the game/office politics the best. Pretty sure all the brains behind the company are nerdy Asian guys. PogChamp

India is part of Asia. Many on the list had a h1b visa including the head of Microsoft and Google.

Yup, East and South Asians, and a sprinkle of Vanilla as well!

If you read with better precision, you would realize the people were arrested for violating the terms of their ESTA visa by working construction. An issue that has happened in the past. Facts must be brutal

Sutting down a 7.6 billion dollar project over paper work really?

Trumps doing a great jobs with the economy. Worst job numbers since Covid.

https://dailyboulder.com/brutal-jobs...ovid-pandemic/

Also, Indian Americans earn the highest per capita so he’s not going to piss off a very wealthy segment of the population that has a lot of pull in red states and actually vote Republican.

Everything Trump does is smoke and mirrors, next week he’ll spin it and say H1B visas are vital to AI, just like he did with the foreign student rant while also saying he was going to allow 600,000 Chinese students.

And the sad reality is the next wave of outsourcing won’t be to another country, it’ll be to AI.

Its not "over paperwork" lmfao. That's such an ignorant comment. Its about fraud.

Brutal in that we're outsourcing vast swaths of teams and abrogating jobs/tasks to India. Most of the big guys in Canada in my industry have done the same.

The only thing keeping some these roles in Canada are SOC and data mandates though clients that force the retainment of data and access to said data within Canada or the US itself.

This is partly why I chuckle when we attach this idea of "buying Canadian", as if these same Canadian companies give a flying fuck about Canadian jobs :lol

It's already slowly happening. The issue is most big companies are finding it difficult to leverage AI with their legacy systems and business processes, these chat models aren't really built for those sorts of tasks.

If you're in technical writing or anything document/contract related, or programming especially in the entry level, you're already fucked.

it's not a bout fraud it's about trying to act tough. There are way better ways to handle this then doing a raid and arresting people.

How is melania's crypto coin doing?

No, it is about fraud. ETSA cannot be treated as a work visa as its contrary to its intended purpose, bro.

They were busted in 2020 for doing the same thing. The U.S. government strongly encourages them to hire local residents for the construction of the plant. Hyundai tried to circumvent this by rotating employees every 90 days under the guise of being there for business travel when it was actually to get cheap construction labour and to circumvent hiring local workers.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docu...ts-build-trump


"Trump Tower Was Built on Undocumented Immigrants' Backs" (The Daily Beast, 7/8/15)
Trump was sued by a construction workers union for using 200 illegal immigrants from Poland instead of Americans to build Trump Tower.

"The 200 demolition workers—nicknamed the Polish Brigade because of their home country—worked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week with no overtime to knock down the old Bonwit Teller building and make room for Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. According to testimony in a protracted civil suit in federal court, the laborers were paid $5 an hour or less when they were paid at all. Some went unpaid after the contractor had financial troubles. A few never received even the paltry sum that was owed them for their dirty and hazardous efforts preceding the construction of Trump's monument to his own wealth." (The Daily Beast, 7/8/15)

Federal Judge: "They were undocumented and worked 'off the books.'"

"'They were undocumented and worked "off the books,"' Manhattan federal Judge Charles Stewart said of the workers after they became the subject of a 1983 lawsuit. 'No records were kept, no Social Security or other taxes were withheld.'" (The Daily Beast, 7/8/15)

Trump used illegal immigrants to avoid paying overtime.

Manic!, just accept the fact that Trump gets away with doing whatever he wants.

We are at this dilemma point with software.

AI has made it so easy to ship code that a lot of people are doing it, to the point where sometimes the developer doesn't even know what he shipped, he just knows that it satisfies the requirements at that point.

Then comes an issue, either the requirements change or there's a bug, and he doesn't know how the code works.

Does he spend time to fix it manually and/or with some AI assistance?
Or does he just get AI to rewrite the whole thing to a new set of requirements, then rinse and repeat as the same issue comes up again?

Being in the industry, it's a weird time we are in and I honestly have no answer for you.
I feel very old sometimes despite only 38 because I would be proud of my work in that I know what I wrote and even if you ask me 6-8 months down the road, I can pull up the story and the code and tell you why or how I came to that conclusion of the technical solution.

I've done some vibe coding and while shit works, I couldn't tell you why or how it works. I've dug into some of the code and it would be using some crazy ass algorithm and loop that I've never seen anyone use, but the AI can mash solutions together to create a frankenstein (or someone did it at one point somewhere and it was scraped up).

That's not valued anymore.

I can see the irony. Back in the day when IDEs started to become a thing, the old school devs who wrote code on a basic text processor said the IDEs are doing everything for us and we would lose our coding abilities.

I am that IDE generation and IDE has allowed us to do more complex things because the low level functionalities and boilerplate has been obscured/done for us.

I am now looking at the new junior devs who vibe code and I feel like you guys won't know the basics and you can't debug and you can fix things. But... is that the real shift where we don't need to do it anymore, throwaway culture has moved from daily commodities into the coding realm and coding will no longer be a skill but instead another commodity moving forward.....

/rambling

In the long term I am actually somewhat optimistic about the future of AI and robotics, and the ability to basically replace jobs that aren't specialized. If MOST jobs can be replaced by automation, there's an opportunity for humankind to get out of the mess we're in. The issue is, the income from those lost jobs is going to have to be replaced. And because of that, pure capitalism cannot work.

Money generated by AI/robotics must be given to the people. And then maybe from there, we can begin to advance as society, from slaving away at the keyboard or steering wheel or whatever, in order to barely make ends meet. The melted brains among us will just say "that will just make everyone lazy" but that is never the case. There's lazy people right now, regardless of shared income. And there's creative people who are going to be fucked, because the field they're in has become automated.

Farmers in Arkansas upset about tariffs asking the goverment for handouts. I'm laughing my ass off. I hope they go broke and China buys all there land.

Thoughts and prayers you stupid farmers!

At least in some industries that's gonna cause problems in the future. It might ship fine now, but in a few years when changes need to be made it's going to cost a lot to try and muddle through the spaghetti code.

There's where I'm unsure about, and my theory is if you have a smart lead or PM, that might not be a problem.

Remember my second solution of just rewriting the whole thing with AI with the new set of modified requirements.

If the PM or lead is smart enough to have kept everything modularized and compartmentalized, at least in the software functionality side you can drag and drop a new solution with internal functions dealt with, and external connectivity unharmed.

Now if you fucked up the data design, then good luck if you have to rejig your whole data store. But that's a huge problem regardless of what method of development you choose.

I'm not familiar with this concept.