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Old 06-21-2013, 08:48 AM   #301
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I am willing to bet Limitless never told OP that he has no experience with doing Acuras, and only basic shit on his own car. He probably said something along the lines of "Oh yeah thats no problem". Leading OP to believe Limitless knew what he was doing, and he has admitted he doesnt. Lying to make money and then doing a shody job is scamming as far as I can tell. OP clearly seemed FOBish, and I bet they recognized that and took advantage of the situation.
If you ever met limitless, he isn't that type of a person to try to scam someone for a quick buck by investing his time and hard work into helping someone. He also wouldn't bother helping OP after things went wrong and help reverse it if he was trying to scam him.

So stop making false acquisition about limitless.
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I just want to say that is exactly why i am NOT in the vinyl wrapping business, and/or I would dare to say why Limitless is NOT in the headlight baking profession. Because why would we take on a job that "according to market value" will land us less than minimum wage. You make it sound like its our responsibility to refer everyone who approach us to other people because our lack of skill hinders us to do business in our skill sets. We cant stop people from approaching us, if they DO APPROACH us, I think I am entitled to charge whatever much I want as long as the customer has a full understanding of what he is paying for. If the customer feels like we are expensive he is more than welcome to go to someone else. I even tell my customers to call MM design LOL. No joke. I dont want to waste time, and I am sure you dont too.

The older I get the more I feel like my time is worth a lot of money. And just for the sake of the argument, I feel like my time is worth alot more than $12/hour. I take most of these jobs just out of the good will that I get a chance to check out some cars.
So you feel no guilt for charging your neighbour who's an old lady 500 bucks for an oil change? After all, your time is that valuable.

This isn't even about this incident anymore, this is a question of ethics. Sure you don't have to be ethical, but you're not making the world a better place either.

This is exactly the reason why I don't trust any car garages, they are all shady and have no issue with overcharging and parts and labour. After all, I can always go elsewhere.

And people wonder why the automotive community gets a bad rep.
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After reading the whole thread I agree rs is being a bit harsh on limitless

I will say though if you aren't prepared to give 3x the customer service don't charge 3x the price. People tend to feel entitled when they shell out a pretty coin.

Hell if I paid 800 for what you did I would be just as choked. I also don't see they need to have two people working the car just seems like charge 2x for labour unless you advised him that he was paying for two guys to work on the car especially since its this Eric who the op seems most pissed at.

Overall im fine if you want to make some cash just dont go saying you were trying to be nice charging 800.
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I am willing to bet Limitless never told OP that he has no experience with doing Acuras, and only basic shit on his own car. He probably said something along the lines of "Oh yeah thats no problem". Leading OP to believe Limitless knew what he was doing, and he has admitted he doesnt. Lying to make money and then doing a shody job is scamming as far as I can tell. OP clearly seemed FOBish, and I bet they recognized that and took advantage of the situation.
I do not have experience working on Acuras, but I do have a bit more experience than working on just my own car (just the car's I've had that I've worked on includes civics, integras, my Z of course). I've worked on my friend's cars too which I don't want to bother listing out. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying I'm a professional by any means, I'm just saying I do have a little bit more than just experience from working on my own one car as you may have put it. I've said this in the past few pages a few times but I'll say it again, I have told OP that I have only worked on my own headlight for my own car. Yes I did say that I can do the job, and I have with his headlight. I did not act like I was incredibly professional, when he asked me I thought about it for a little bit before saying I can take it, and if you really did want to pay close attention you could very plainly see I was not bragging about my 'skill'. The only mistake I made was fucking up a bit on the headlight, but I fixed it. It just took us an extra few days and I have apologized countless times to OP about that. I admit my mistake, but I don't think that calls for calling me a scammer.

And actually, he messaged me on facebook once and talked to me about cars, not about his own headlight or work. I helped him a lot on his random car stuff (a job wasn't even mentioned at this point), and then he said he really wanted to take a look at my headlight. I was doing my headlight along with Eric's at this time and they were apart, so I invited him over to my house to take a look. He came over and talked to us for a while about it, which is where the job came up. I didn't really realize how fob he was, as you may have put it. In person, his grammar is actually pretty good.

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After reading the whole thread I agree rs is being a bit harsh on limitless

I will say though if you aren't prepared to give 3x the customer service don't charge 3x the price. People tend to feel entitled when they shell out a pretty coin.

Hell if I paid 800 for what you did I would be just as choked. I also don't see they need to have two people working the car just seems like charge 2x for labour unless you advised him that he was paying for two guys to work on the car especially since its this Eric who the op seems most pissed at.

Overall im fine if you want to make some cash just dont go saying you were trying to be nice charging 800.
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I can see where you're coming from. At the time I did feel like I needed two people to deal with a headlight job because of the amount of stress that came with the job, I would never want to handle that amount of stress alone (even with my own headlight). HIDs and everything could have been done solo, but I also did not know how to wire anything. Eric knew how to wire, and even then it took him quite a while to figure out what to wire the relays onto to make the leds turn off during DRL's and on with everything else. Also had to find a specific resistor and wire it onto the switchbacks to prevent hyperflashing. As simple as it may sound now, I have no previous experience with wiring and even if it was a simple splice and solder, I would never feel comfortable doing it for someone else. Eric has also had way more experience than me on doing headlights. Without him, what OP wanted couldn't have been done.
Even with 2 people though it took over well over 7 hours to do everything, not including fuck ups. The wiring diagram was a bit confusing for him to read and took a while, prep for the headlight took a while. This isn't including all of the extra time done researching and talking with the OP about what he wanted and how things were to be done. You also cannot forget that there are parts that we have to buy as well, though that's not a huge chunk out of the money it is still a bit (HID kit, LEDs, clear lens, paint, switchback, resistors). Looking back at our conversation on facebook it was actually around $780 for everything.
It's still on his first post and maybe some of you guys have missed it, but that '$1100', $350 of it was well afterwards and it was to paint his front grill and rear trunk trim, nothing to do with his headlights or anything. The bodyshop charged $350, OP went through me and I decided to help him out. I told him the price, he dropped the car off at my house and left it there and I even drove 3 trips to downtown alone so the shop could get a colormatch on his car, then take off the parts and drop them off at the shop, then pick the parts back up. I made zero profit out of this, and this is where I was saying I was helping him out, not on what we charged him for because really... how could you say that you're helping someone out if you charge them money for it
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^ Limitless, as much as i think you're pretty much in the clear on this one, you aren't going to win. You've been declared guilty until proven innocent. I'd just leave it be now, there's not a whole lot else you can do
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If my neighbor said, "Hey you wanna change my oil? I'll give you $500."

All I'd ask is, if she was sure and when she wants it done. People throw away money all the time, its not my job to stop them.

And no, I wouldn't feel it's unethical as long as both parties are satisfied at the end.
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So you feel no guilt for charging your neighbour who's an old lady 500 bucks for an oil change? After all, your time is that valuable.

This isn't even about this incident anymore, this is a question of ethics. Sure you don't have to be ethical, but you're not making the world a better place either.

This is exactly the reason why I don't trust any car garages, they are all shady and have no issue with overcharging and parts and labour. After all, I can always go elsewhere.

And people wonder why the automotive community gets a bad rep.
That's a bit much. I don't think you understand how much time it actually took for the work we did, and I've explained it a few pages back but here it is again


-Jack up car, take off bumper (why the hell are TL's so annoying on this part) [half an hour or so]

-Take off headlight and all the extra bits that can't be baked

-Bake it and pry it while heat gunning it [a hour or so for both headlights]

-Take off all of the pieces, mask off what doesn't need to be painted. Strip off all of the chrome on the pieces that need to be painted. Sand everything down smooth. 2 coats of primer, 3 coats of matte black, sand sand sand in between [two and a half hours or so included time for coats to dry 10-15 minutes each coat]

-While waiting for the last coats to dry and cure, work on HID fogs. Plug everything in, mount ballasts [15 minutes]

-When finally dried, put all the interior pieces back together. Figure out how to mount the LEDs properly on the shroud and position it the way OP wants it. [15-20 minutes]

-Putting the headlight back together. New sealant, heat up the whole thing, put the interior piece back on while not knicking the paint (not yet fully cured). Lens back on, screws in while clamping all around and heat gunning constantly [45 minutes or so for both]

-Look at the wiring diagrams of the car and running wires to the LEDs, to a relay, and hooking them up so that it turns on with the car but off for DRLs. [Good hour or so including testing]

-Swap turn signals for switchback leds, wire up the resistors and make sure those work (this actually blew a fuse the first time). [30 minutes]

-Put everything back together [half an hour]




This is NOT including all of the extra hours spent on things that we did NOT get money for.
-Driving 3 trips to the bodyshop downtown
-Taking off the bumper again to take off the grill OP did not mount or align properly. Figure out how to align it, and put it back on
-Taking off the front grill and rear trunk trim even though OP said he would do all of this himself (he did maybe 10% of the work)



I listed the times conservatively as well. It took a bit longer than that, and I'm sure some of you may have been able to do it faster but like I said earlier; this is how much time Eric and I have spent doing it, and that is how we priced the job when asked. We are not in the market, we do not want to comply to market prices and make even less money for the amount of labor we are already doing. If he wanted to get it done cheaper elsewhere, by all means go for it. We are not trying to sell him anything. I still think it is a reasonable price though.



OP wanted car back asap instead of waiting for all of the parts to come (which is understandable but very hard for us..), so he came numerous times to install bits and pieces separately. This means that we could not do everything at once and the bumper had to come off and go back on countless times. Think of the time having spent on just this factor alone, which is not included in my initial list of work.



This does not include him self inviting himself to stay at the garage while we work on his car because he wanted to 'learn'. I taught him so many things and yes it was a hassle while working on his car. Which is why now he knows how to take apart the shit himself, because he's seen me do it so many times and I fucking taught him. I was not expecting to have to deal with that either.



Not to mention I was looking at our facebook conversation earlier (and yes I have said that we spend maybe 25% of our overall conversations there, so this is just a bit of it) and he asked me a bunch of random shit constantly which I have helped him out on. Every single question.

Example:
OP: Does polishing take out rock chips?
Me: No, you need to either use touch up paint or get it repainted
OP: What does polishing do then?


OP wants to get rims, longlong talk about what to get and where he could source it, what brand is good, etc.


OP: hey is there such a thing as glossy black plastidip?
or do i need to buy glossifer from canadian tire?
what's the difference between matte black and glossy black?
oh and whats the name of the US shop u went to?




Wasn't easy nor was it worth the money at all.
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^ Limitless, as much as i think you're pretty much in the clear on this one, you aren't going to win. You've been declared guilty until proven innocent. I'd just leave it be now, there's not a whole lot else you can do
Sigh, I wanted to try to get things cleared out a bit more but you're right. :/
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I don't think you're getting what I'm trying to say.

Like someone said a few posts up, its not a matter of the incident any more, it's the ethics.

If you are not a sell sword, then don't sell your sword. Just because someone approaches me to kill some junkie and I say that's not my alley, but offers me like 20 000, what am I gonna do? Fucking do it? Obviously not.... you did it cause you thought it would be a quick buck, ended up not being a quick buck and now you're trying to justify it by saying that op came to you, and you never advertised it or anything.

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