[Mike Oxbig]

I love it when series go 7. Nothing would be better than a team that has to play 28 games, winning the Cup through sweat and determination.

yet no respeck for the LA kings

[SumAznGuy]

drake is an idiot dont know why anyone would want to play in a shithole let alone play for a garbage organization...if he thinks he will play with mcjesus he will be sadly disappointed! I hope he just gets cut and gets sent down to the minors...

Yup, Drake signed a 2 year contract with the Oilers yesterday.
Today, Boudreau is signed to coach the Wild while Guy Boucher is signed to coach the Senators.

Tanev and Hutton both had great games and both had an assist against Hungary at the Worlds. Tanev was the player of the game.
McJesus with a few ridiculous plays in the game. Boy has skillz.

[Armind]

RIP Drake

[CorneringArtist]

LOL at TSN blogger trying to compare the St. Louis Blues cup run to Leicester City being nearly relegated to English second division last year and being 5000-1 to win this year. What a stupid take.


Thumbs to Leicester, Blues and coach carousel - Article - TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/thumbs-to-leicester-blues-and-coach-carousel-1.485885)


You don’t have to know anything about soccer in England to know about Leicester City. Their Premier League title is considered by many the greatest upset a sports league has ever seen.

Thus, it may be futile to search for comparisons.
The Philadelphia 76ers winning the NBA championship?
You’d have called that impossible this season, and it was, but no bookmaker was giving you the 5,000-1 odds that belonged to Leicester — not even close.
So take this with a large block of salt, but the NHL’s version of Leicester is St. Louis.
The Blues fit the file in two basic ways — they’ve never been champions, but they have been runners-up.

Leicester finished second in 1929. Thanks to the playoff setup that followed NHL expansion in 1967, the St. Louis Blues went to the Stanley Cup final in each of the first three years of their existence, didn’t win a game and haven’t been back.
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This season offers a chance for St. Louis to wipe its name from the top of the list of NHL teams that have never poured anything into the Stanley Cup. It would be an upset of sorts. The Blues weren’t among the four of five teams rated top contenders, primarily because they had to start their playoff run against Chicago. However, they quickly emerged as a solid bet after dispatching the Blackhawks.
Now one win away from the Central Division title, the Blues are equal parts favourite and underdog. Again similar to Leicester, they’re in a position to do great things, but their history suggests otherwise.

I’d get an argument from San Jose, Nashville and Washington if I said a Stanley Cup victory for St. Louis would bring the biggest first-time celebration, but with Leicester in mind, the Blues are mighty appealing if you’re looking for a sentimental “thumbs up” choice.

[SumAznGuy]

Oh yeah, Matthews looking good for the US, but Laine is looking beast for Finland.
He is leading the tourny in scoring. He looks like Ovi mannng the top of the left faceoff circle for the one time shot.
and on his second goal today, he showed his NHL ready shot by picking the short side.

[Ronin]

Completely stupid comparison. There's a salary cap and the Blues are full of stars. Leicester's entire roster costs less than single players from Chelsea, Man City, and United.

A more accurate comparison is the Utica Comets winning the Stanley Cup. Winning the Kentucky Derby riding a walrus. Winning the Super Bowl with a team full of second graders.

[Ronin]

yet no respeck for the LA kings

Hate is pretty close to respect.

[Tim Budong]

If the lightning ride this wave of awesome without stamkos. I can sorta see Toronto grabbing Laine and sign stammer to center that... yikes

[CRS]

If the lightning ride this wave of awesome without stamkos. I can sorta see Toronto grabbing Laine and sign stammer to center that... yikes

You don't pass up Matthews.

[TjAlmeida]

Even if Toronto wants Laine, they would be better trading down to 2nd and getting something from Winnipeg plus swapping picks..

[jeedee]

I can sorta see Toronto grabbing Laine and sign stammer to center that... yikes

Yzerman tried that logic by drafting Drouin to play with Stamkos but look how that turned out :troll:

[b0unce. [?]]

Stamkos seems to have the worst luck sometimes. He breaks his leg a few years ago just before the olympics and now he's injured just in time for the playoffs :lol

[SumAznGuy]

;8754025']Stamkos seems to have the worst luck sometimes. He breaks his leg a few years ago just before the olympics and now he's injured just in time for the playoffs :lol

Worse, not injured but sick. Heard it was a blood clot issue, so no timeline when he will be cleared by doctors.
Worse case scenario is a blood clot gets into the heart or brain and causes a stroke.
I believe Kris Letang had a similar issue too a few years ago.

I believe Stamkos is on blood thinners and it would be really bad if he gets a cut because the bleeding won't stop.

[6o4__boi]

Crow to be named as Assistant Coach to Boucher in Ottawa

that's a pretty decent coaching tandem going on there now

[Sentinel]

Worse, not injured but sick. Heard it was a blood clot issue, so no timeline when he will be cleared by doctors.
Worse case scenario is a blood clot gets into the heart or brain and causes a stroke.
I believe Kris Letang had a similar issue too a few years ago.

I believe Stamkos is on blood thinners and it would be really bad if he gets a cut because the bleeding won't stop.

I think Vokuon and Dupuis both had the same thing and was forced early retirement.

Chris Bosh of the Miami Heat has the condition as well and his nba career could be over as a result of this.

[trancehead]

Yeah i dont think TML will pass up on a true #1 center (Matthews) for a chance in the Stamkos FA sweepstakes.

[highfive]

You only pass up on Matthews if you only find Laine a better player than Matthews.

is anyone following the world championship? seems like nicklas jensen playing pretty well for Denmark. lol

[JDMEK9]

anyone got a link for the caps pens game on cbc?

I cant seem to stream

[Ch28]

anyone got a link for the caps pens game on cbc?

I cant seem to stream
https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/comments/4is18l/game_thread_capitals_at_penguins_800pm_et/

[sonick]

Dafuq Canuck caught up in alleged family murder conspiracy (http://www.theprovince.com/touch/sports/hockey/canucks-hockey/canuck+linden+caught+alleged+family+murder/11910187/story.html?rel=894638)

Linden Vey's dad conspired to murder his mother

[JDMEK9]

caps in deeeep trouble now...

[6o4__boi]

god damn the Caps lucky af right now

that fucking delay of game penalty

[6o4__boi]

hoooly fuck...that rule needs to be destroyed and shoved up Bettman's candy ass

[HonestTea]

caps in deeeep trouble now...

:badpokerface:

[6o4__boi]

fuckin straight up rigged lol

[slicrick]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9M_FYFyo0k

Brovechkin needs to step up here.

[chouchou]

wow BEAGLE

[68style]

BONES!

[HonestTea]

Goodbye Caps

[HonestTea]

BONINO SCORES OT WINNER :lol:

[pastarocket]

Ovie's team loses to Crosby's team again. :tears:

Ovie had a great chance to score prior to Bonino's goal. Pens' offensive depth was the difference in this series.

[6o4__boi]

lmfao...of course Bonino becomes a clutch playoff performer after he leaves the Canucks

[pastarocket]

lmfao...of course Bonino becomes a clutch playoff performer after he leaves the Canucks

You can also say that about Dale Weise's playoff performance in past seasons with Montreal. Former Canucks turned into playoff performers. :lawl:

[Sentinel]

Lol caps...

[MarkyMark]

Has Ovie beat Crosby in any big game or series their whole career? NHL or otherwise

[pastarocket]

Has Ovie beat Crosby in any big game or series their whole career? NHL or otherwise

I doubt it. Crosby beat Ovie twice in the playoffs in his career with tonight's series clinching win and that 7 game series win back in 2009.

Of course, how can we not forget Team Canada crushing Russia in the 2010 Olympics by winning 7-3. :lawl:

The Great 8 has lost to no. 87 multiple times in the post season and the Olympics.

[Tim Budong]

Ovi was clearly the better player in this series though. I feel bad for Ovie... i really want to see that guy win

[MarkyMark]

I doubt it. Crosby beat Ovie twice in the playoffs in his career with tonight's series clinching win and that 7 game series win back in 2009.

Of course, how can we not forget Team Canada crushing Russia in the 2010 Olympics by winning 7-3. :lawl:

The Great 8 has lost to no. 87 multiple times in the post season and the Olympics.

Plus the 2005 World Juniors... Must be frustrating for him

[Gumby]

Kessel quietly getting it done in PITS...

[fsy82]

i really wanted ovi to get to that 3rd round..dude was awesome in this series

[JDMEK9]

too bad.... really wanted to see ovie in the finals

[Ch28]

Ovie beasted it tonight. He played 10+ minutes in the 3rd period with an almost 5 minute shift when the Pens kept getting penalties.

[AzNightmare]

Kessel quietly getting it done in PITS...

Legit playoff performer.
Guess he slipped under the radar cause he barely ever had a chance to display his post season abilities with his old team. :badpokerface:

[m3thods]

Holy crap. I know he's a resident whipping boy, but no guy deserves this sort of distraction:

Canuck caught up in alleged family murder conspiracy (http://www.theprovince.com/sports/hockey/canucks-hockey/canuck+linden+caught+alleged+family+murder/11910187/story.html)

On May 24, his father Curtis Vey is to go on trial with co-accused Angela Nicholson. The pair have been charged with conspiracy to murder their spouses.

"Every player deals with certain distractions in their life, challenges," said Canucks president Trevor Linden. "I think that's normal. I don't think there has ever been a player who has dealt with something like this."

Given the strides he took this year (albeit small), it's amazing he's not in the ECHL (though I'm sure some of you think he should be there :))

[m3thods]

edit: double post

[Hondaracer]

Another reason to dump Vey..with Linden though he'll probably have dem feels and re-up for 3 sympathy years

Fuck..was rooting for ovi to win but moreso cause I wanted to see a game 7, how deviststing for him, he played a pretty shitty 3rd/OT though, lost the puck twice at the blue line on the PP and then 2-3 missed opportunities in close

[fsy82]

Another reason to dump Vey..with Linden though he'll probably have dem feels and re-up for 3 sympathy years

Fuck..was rooting for ovi to win but moreso cause I wanted to see a game 7, how deviststing for him, he played a pretty shitty 3rd/OT though, lost the puck twice at the blue line on the PP and then 2-3 missed opportunities in close

that was fatigue kicking in. dude was a monster but he played over 10 mins in the third..should have rested him a bit after the 3-3 goal

[Tim Budong]

that was fatigue kicking in. dude was a monster but he played over 10 mins in the third..should have rested him a bit after the 3-3 goal

thats the thing with Ovi
He WANTS to be out there... the way he just sits on the boards ready to fly is a huge indication on how much he just loves the game

[AzNightmare]

GG dallas....

[Sentinel]

Blues going to the WCF

[6o4__boi]

Lol Dallas...someone forgot to tell em it was game 7 of the post season. Not game 7 of the season.

:awwyeah: Flams don't get another 1st round pick

[Ch28]

Guess Dallas and Chicago could've used Hamhuis :lol

[Jmac]

Pittsburgh will win because Pittsburgh wanted Hamhuis and Hamhuis said no thanks.

[68style]

Guess Dallas and Chicago could've used Hamhuis :lol

Apparently Dallas could use Joe Cannata at this point... phew... 6 goals on 18 shots. Stanky.

[Ch28]

Apparently Dallas could use Joe Cannata at this point... phew... 6 goals on 18 shots. Stanky.

Lehtonen hasn't been good for years now, and there's a reason why SJ let go of Niemi. You know you suck when you get supplanted by a backup (granted Jones has put up excellent numbers behind LA's defense)

[Tim Budong]

that Dallas goaltending duo isn't gonna get that team anywhere. Simply put it... Dallas wont go anywhere without addressing their goalie graveyard lol

[Ch28]

that Dallas goaltending duo isn't gonna get that team anywhere. Simply put it... Dallas wont go anywhere without addressing their goalie graveyard lol

or their swiss cheese defense

[Expresso]

https://twitter.com/ThomasDrance/status/730764322742403072
Guess Dallas and Chicago could've used Hamhuis :lol

Still boggles me how one of the best defenseman available went untraded.

[SumAznGuy]

that Dallas goaltending duo isn't gonna get that team anywhere. Simply put it... Dallas wont go anywhere without addressing their goalie graveyard lol

To think, they have over $10M in their 2 goalies.
Lots of offensive power with Benn, Seguin, Spezza, Sharp, and Hemsky as well as some of those kids.
But no big names on their blue line.

[pastarocket]

Pittsburgh also has the offensive firepower but is riding on the play of a 21 year old goalie. Ben Bishop >> Matt Murray or Zatkoff or Flower boy.

If it comes down to goaltending, Tampa has an edge over the Pens. Will the coach decide to put in Andre-Fleury in this series?

McFlurry gets to play in the Eastern conference final? :troll:

[6o4__boi]

no way MAF is going into this series unless Murray implodes
i don't think Sully is that stupid, in the playoffs you ride the hotter goalie to the top or to the ground

[pastarocket]

no way MAF is going into this series unless Murray implodes
i don't think Sully is that stupid, in the playoffs you ride the hotter goalie to the top or to the ground


Murray can implode if he doesn't have better positioning for wrap around scoring attempts.

The weakness for Murray is wrap around goals or shooting high on him as the opposing player skates from behind the net out into the slot.

The Tampa coach should show the Lightning players video of the wrap around goals that went past Murray. The kid goes down too low on his pads as the opposing player skates behind the net with the puck, thereby exposing the left corner of the net.

Johnson, Kucherov and Palat should try to shoot high on Murray and try wrap around goals:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74DeMbUYz3s

[Jmac]

To think, they have over $10M in their 2 goalies.
Lots of offensive power with Benn, Seguin, Spezza, Sharp, and Hemsky as well as some of those kids.
But no big names on their blue line. Hemsky ... Firepower?

He hasn't exceeded 45 points since '08-'09 ...

[PiuYi]

To think, they have over $10M in their 2 goalies.
Lots of offensive power with Benn, Seguin, Spezza, Sharp, and Hemsky as well as some of those kids.
But no big names on their blue line.

let's not forget they managed only 1 goal in a game 7

[SumAznGuy]

Hemsky ... Firepower?

He hasn't exceeded 45 points since '08-'09 ...

He'd be #3 in Vancouver :badpokerface:

[EuterVanWasser]

Hemsky ... Firepower?

He hasn't exceeded 45 points since '08-'09 ...

Yeah, or 45 games... this coming from a Coilers fan who knows lol!

[Ch28]

He'd be #3 in Vancouver :badpokerface:

That's beyond sad :lol

[6o4__boi]

RIP Preds season

[murd0c]

I'm actually rooting for the Sharks, they have had such shitty luck every year I hope they finally get to the cup final. Big Joe deserves the cup!!

[Devastator]

Im rooting for the Sharks to win it all. Jumbo Joe and Patrick Marleau are super nice guys and been nothing but class acts for this country.

[HonestTea]

Preds are done

[XplicitLuder]

Lol 9 SOG for the Preds so far... And here I thought it couldn't get any worse than what Dallas showed yesterday haha

[Bouncing Bettys]

Is it me or do more Game 7s end up being a blow out rather than a close nail-biter fight to the finish.

[highfive]

Is it me or do more Game 7s end up being a blow out rather than a close nail-biter fight to the finish.

It's too hard to rig nail biting games. Lol

[Sentinel]

Josi and Weber combined for - 6, in for all 5 goals.

[XplicitLuder]

Josi and Weber combined for - 6, in for all 5 goals.

if they were in for all 5 goals, doesnt that mean theyre at -5 each, so combined theyre -10 ? :badpokerface:

[Jmac]

if they were in for all 5 goals, doesnt that mean theyre at -5 each, so combined theyre -10 ? :badpokerface:
+/- only applies to even-strength and shorthanded goals.

[XplicitLuder]

the shit i learn til this day lol :badpokerface:

[SumAznGuy]

That's beyond sad :lol

Yup. Not to excuse them, but Bo was #3 with 40 pts.
Daniel was #1 at 61 pts and Henrik had 55 pts.

[HonestTea]

Lightning are done if Ben Bishop is out for the series

[Jmac]

Lightning are done if Ben Bishop is out for the series.
Vasilevskiy is a good goaltender.

[Ch28]

Vasilevskiy is a good goaltender.

He's nowhere near as good as Bishop.

[Jmac]

He's nowhere near as good as Bishop.
I didn't say he was. But I wouldn't write Tampa Bay off if they lose Bishop.

[cdizzle_996]

Filthy

https://youtu.be/8TSIzt_P9BE

[Ch28]

Jensen's career highlight right there.

[Ch28]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLiUJ123bc0

[Mike Oxbig]

Habs want Oilers 4th pick and draft Dubois for ffrench canadian 1st line Center. Oilers wants to move down to draft one of the big 3 defenseman

[SumAznGuy]

Habs want Oilers 4th pick and draft Dubois for ffrench canadian 1st line Center. Oilers wants to move down to draft one of the big 3 defenseman

What would it cost Mtl to make this trade happen?
Montreal is drafting 9th so that means Oilers think the 8 teams will take at least 6 of the top forwards in the draft so that they get one of the top 3 d men.

[TjAlmeida]

If Dubois goes 4th, wonder if the canucks look to drop a few spots and go for a defensemen?

[murd0c]

What would it cost Mtl to make this trade happen?
Montreal is drafting 9th so that means Oilers think the 8 teams will take at least 6 of the top forwards in the draft so that they get one of the top 3 d men.

BBC and their first and second round pick for the oilers 4th and Hall

[TjAlmeida]

BBC and their first and second round pick for the oilers 4th and Hall

Don't think Subban is going anywhere. Montreal would be to thin on the blue line if they trade him.

[murd0c]

there has been strong talk that Subban is going to get traded which I find really shocking as well

[Eastwood]

there has been strong talk that Subban is going to get traded which I find really shocking as well

Do you have a link? Couldn't find anything on TSN.

[Mike Oxbig]

***4) MTL - Dubois - Edmonton Oilers trades 4th pick to MTL for Nathan Beaulieu + 9th overall
5) VAN - Joulevi
6) CGY - Nylander/Tkachuk
7) ARI - Nylander / Tkachuk
8) BUF - Sergachev/ Chychrun
***9) EDM - Sergachev/ Chychrun

????????????

[spideyv2]

lol at all this speculation without any substance

[dbaz]

Picking a dman with the 5th is stupid. Trade down and pick if set on a dman

[Ch28]

Hey Oxbig, Canucks want to move into 1st spot to draft Matthews as their new 1C. The sky is also blue.

[HonestTea]

The chick behind the Sharks bench.. ;)

[Mike Oxbig]

Hey Oxbig, Canucks want to move into 1st spot to draft Matthews as their new 1C. The sky is also blue.

all this speculation without any substance

[murd0c]

So the Canucks just signed this guy... Haven't heard of him until now but it looks like its more of an AHL deal at this time.

Eliteprospects.com - Yan-Pavel Laplante (http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=128231)

[RickyTan3]

Mcdavid new captain wtf

[XplicitLuder]

but are we really surprised ^ ?

[CRS]

Well, expect a Hall trade then?

[spideyv2]

Hall to the Canucks because they need a dynamic first line winger

......and the sky is blue

[SumAznGuy]

Canada down 3 - 0 to the Finns with the 3rd to play.
Sweden down 4 - 0 to the Russians.

Eeek.

[6o4__boi]

its like the Finnish hockey renaissance these recent years

though to be fair, Canada was playing pretty shitty teams in this tourney so far. Finns were the first actual good teams they've faced

[dbaz]

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattsekeres/status/732641930383740929

Some of the best canucks news in the last year. Kids will get lots of time, and be able to develop properly in the AHL, not ride pine or sit in the press box watching in the NHL

[RickyTan3]

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattsekeres/status/732641930383740929

Some of the best canucks news in the last year. Kids will get lots of time, and be able to develop properly in the AHL, not ride pine or sit in the press box watching in the NHL

What? A tweet is news?

[Armind]

:facepalm:

[JesseBlue]

Oh boy, the draft cant get here sooner, then free agency, then the start of the season. Its gonna be an ultra long summer

[spideyv2]

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattsekeres/status/732641930383740929

Some of the best canucks news in the last year. Kids will get lots of time, and be able to develop properly in the AHL, not ride pine or sit in the press box watching in the NHL

How is this news? Sounds like the same old shit WD has been spewing all season.

This thread has been brutal lately.

[6o4__boi]

How is this news? Sounds like the same old shit WD has been spewing all season.

This thread has been brutal lately.

its gonna be a looooong summer lol


I didn't even realize Scottie Upshall was still playing for the NHL.

For Fort McMurray | The Players' Tribune (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/scottie-upshall-blues-fort-mcmurray-wildfire/)

[XplicitLuder]

and in other news, David Jones's Minny Wild bag came through work today, now i know where he lives in west van :troll:

[Mike Oxbig]

and in other news, David Jones's Minny Wild bag came through work today, now i know where he lives in west van :troll:

k where

[Expresso]

Who's David Jones?

[6o4__boi]

Kassian re-signs with the Coilers for 1 Year $1.5M AAV

lol Canada lit up Markstrom

[XplicitLuder]

Who's David Jones?

That's what everyone else at work said hahahaha fuck

[Bouncing Bettys]

Who's David Jones?

He has a locker at the bottom of the sea where shipwrecks and drowned sailors rest. Someone needs to watch the Pirates of The Caribbean films.

[murd0c]

That's Davy Jones's locker not David Jones

[bobbinka]

That's the joke.... Lol

[Ch28]

He has a locker at the bottom of the sea where shipwrecks and drowned sailors rest. Someone needs to watch the Pirates of The Caribbean films.

That's Davy Jones's locker not David Jones

http://i.imgur.com/386bC9l.gif

[subordinate]

the sharks look incredibly dominating. I think they finally take it.

Sharks vs. Pengs final.

[pastarocket]

-cheering for the Sharks because I hope to see Thornton and Marleau hoist Lord Stanley's Cup.

I don't want Phil "bad breath" Kessel to win a championship. :troll:

https://youtu.be/twfd6QAkb_c

[TjAlmeida]

Not writing off St louis or Tampa but i think the penguins and the sharks will make for a great battle in the finals.

Looks like the Canucks are after another depth defensemen from I think its the Czech team. 25 year old Michal Kempny, If canucks sign this guy it looks like there will be quite the jam for the bottom 4 defensemen, even though the only one that looks some what ready for a top 4 role would be Hutton.

[6o4__boi]

Jimbo must've been busy scouting trying to unearth hidden gems.

i'm cool with acquiring more assets for without giving anything up...let's just hope he knows how to manage em.

Blues look like they're outta gas. I think it'll be Pens/Sharks finals too...be nice to see the Sharks win it but Pens will win it imo.

[Nabatron]

^thats totally fine! I dont see biega being in the line up full time, same with pedan and larsen! More dman the better anyways since most likely bartkowski gone, weber and hamhuis

[jdmhaze]

Anyone else see this? I laughed so hard. Another epic intro from CBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI6OtfdXe3I

[CRS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAUzFWxLwlo

[Tim Budong]

game management at its finest

[Jmac]

Gold! :woot:

[murd0c]

https://youtu.be/TE784ZmMf4M

[PiuYi]

^relation to joel?

[Jmac]

^relation to joel?
His older brother Peter was drafted in the seventh round by the Columbus Blue Jackets in the 2013 NHL Entry Draft,[7] and Chicago Blackhawks head coach Joel Quenneville is his second cousin.[8] New York Islanders defenceman Johnny Boychuk is his uncle by marriage..

[Tim Budong]

Canada beat the Fins 2-0
McJesus with the winner

Canada wins golddddd

[pastarocket]

Garrison scores another overtime winner in the playoffs. :thumbsup:

[jeedee]

Garrison scores another overtime winner in the playoffs. :thumbsup:

Still can't believe all Benning got for him was a 2nd aka Linden fucking Vey

Miss the Garrison-Bomb

[Razor Ramon HG]

https://twitter.com/strombone1/status/734539324209909761

[Jmac]

Still can't believe all Benning got for him was a 2nd aka Linden fucking Vey

Miss the Garrison-Bomb
The trade pisses me off to this day and, IMO, is Benning's stupidest trade by a mile.

First, he traded Kesler
"[Ryan] just felt he needed a fresh start, and quite frankly we don't want somebody that doesn't want to be here," Benning said. "We're going to acquire high-quality people that are going to come in here and want to work hard for one another, so we didn't give it much thought. We would have liked to keep him, but his mind was made up, so we did the best we could in the situation."
Okay, fine, he didn't want to be here, there was only 1 trade option. We got fleeced, whatever, them's the breaks.

Then, later on that day, he trades Garrison, hometown boy, alongside a 7th round pick ... for the 50th overall pick.

https://m.popkey.co/4340ce/KMzYj.gif

And offers up this gem ...
"The Jason move was we're trying to get a little bit younger on the back end, so Luca gives us youth on the back end," Canucks general manager Jim Benning said on a media conference call.
:facepalm:

Here's all the things that were wrong with this trade from my perspective:
- Benning completely contradicted himself by saying he traded Kesler so quickly because he didn't want to be here and then turned around and asked a hometown guy who wanted to be here to waive his no-trade clause.
- Garrison was a prime-aged (29) top 4 defenseman.
- Garrison led the team's defensive corps in scoring the previous season (33 points) despite a career-low shooting percentage (3.9% vs. 6.5% career average at the time)
- Garrison had 3 years left on his front-loaded contract. Cap hit $4.6M with an average salary of $3.5M over those 3 seasons and only $1.5M in signing bonuses.
- He ADDED a 7th round pick to get the 50th overall pick.
- He thought Luca Sbisa made Garrison expendable.

:fulloffuck:

I completely lost faith in Benning at that point. He has continued to prove he has zero sense of player value.

[6o4__boi]

lol twitterverse is saying Benning interested in signing Russell

a shitty, undersized dman with shitty possession numbers who can't defend fuck all
pretty much Bartkowski all over again

Benning can't GM, the guy should just step down to a scout and never be allowed near any GM decisions in the future

[murd0c]

I heard that on 1040 this morning but they also think they are going to try to inquire a d by trade and use free agency to go after a forward.

[6o4__boi]

i'm a little scared of what they'd do if they tried to get a Dman via trade

word is McCann is on the block but with Dim Jim's abilities, i'm scared he'd trade McCann + low pick for some team's shit defensive prospect

[Jmac]

Watch Benning trade McCann + 5th round pick to Calgary for Kanzig :derp:

[Liquid_o2]

How can a 19 year old center be on the block? The kid did pretty well in his first year for being thrown off the deep end. Give him a year in Utica next year and lets see what he can do.

[6o4__boi]

i'm ok with trading McCann as long as its for a legit defensive prospect.
But if its this current management orchestrating a trade, i think i'd be happier with them just keeping their prospects.


side note, after hearing of or seeing Laine's performance at the World's would you give up Boeser/2016 1st/2017 1st for WPG's 2nd this year?
someone asked me this a while back and it was a resounding no, but after seeing Laine play, the guy does look like a legit NHL ready scoring machine. The size, skill and shot is honestly drawing some pretty fair comparison to Ovi

[b0unce. [?]]

Benning could go off the NHL17 player value system and probably make decent player assessments prior to trades :fulloffuck:

[HonestTea]

No goal! Back to 0-0

[dbaz]

side note, after hearing of or seeing Laine's performance at the World's would you give up Boeser/2016 1st/2017 1st for WPG's 2nd

Easy no. Looks like 2 top 5 picks and a steal in boeser. While laine played well for an 18year old his points were inflated against weak teams:
Belarus 1G 3A, Germany 1G 3A, Hungary 1A, France 1G 1A, Denmark quarters 1G.
3G 8A against those teams compared to traditional hockey countries..
Canada 0, USA 0, SVK 1A, Russia semis 1A, Canada final 0
2A only

That's boeser(looks like a top 6 forward atm) pld/tkachuk (1c/top6 pwf) and the chance at patrick (top line player) or the Swedish dman(1d potential)

[TjAlmeida]

Please jim, for Fuck sake, give McCann more time!

Also, may be to early to tell, but I think the worst one so far is giving up forsling for potatoes.

[mj_39]

McCann traded to Florida

McCann a 2nd and 4th for Gudbranson and a 5th

[Infiniti]

Gudbranson..hmm

[Jmac]

:inout:

[Obsideon]

Dang we just love dealing with Florida eh... Good trade IMO, hopefully Gudbranson can develop into a top-2.

[Ch28]

Watch Benning trade McCann + 5th round pick to Calgary for Kanzig :derp:

Are you Jim Benning?

[Sentinel]

..... Given up on McCann already... What's the excuse now?

[Mike Oxbig]

We lost our 2nd round pick? (33 overall)

[Mike Oxbig]

Dang we just love dealing with Florida eh... Good trade IMO, hopefully Gudbranson can develop into a top-2.

He sucks look at his stats

Gudbranson has played 309 career games with the Panthers since being drafted third overall by the team in 2010. The 24-year-old has 11 career goals and 32 career assists.

[murd0c]

we knew McCann was gone and we got a r handed dman that got 9 points last year in 64 games lol

[Ch28]

..... Given up on McCann already... What's the excuse now?

"attitude issues"

whatever the fuck that means

[Hondaracer]

Lol first caller to 1040 "fire Benning, this franchise is finished. "

Love the trade, Mccan seemed like a pussy, bottom 6 softer center, never going to develop into that top tier center with his skill set imo

Benning gets a +1 from me

[Ch28]

we knew McCann was gone and we got a r handed dman that got 9 points last year in 64 games lol

Who needs Erik Karlsson when we have a meat and potatoes kind of player in Erik Gudbranson?

Knowing GMJB, he probably traded for the wrong Erik.

[Ch28]

Lol first caller to 1040 "fire Benning, this franchise is finished. "

Love the trade, Mccan seemed like a pussy, bottom 6 softer center, never going to develop into that top tier center with his skill set imo

Benning gets a +1 from me

McCann is 19 years old. You don't give up on an offensive upside player like him after 1 season where the entire fucking team sucked ass.

[murd0c]

Maybe he's making the moves to trade with Edmonton for their 4th pick?

[Gilgamesh]

Ouch. Paying that premium for a right shooting d-man.

[Hondaracer]

McCann is 19 years old. You don't give up on an offensive upside player like him after 1 season where the entire fucking team sucked ass.

Dealing from a position of strength if you don't see him in the top 6 in the next 3-5 years I guess

[Ch28]

Dealing from a position of strength if you don't see him in the top 6 in the next 3-5 years I guess

Position of strength?

We just traded McCann, 2016 2nd round, 2016 4th round

for

Gudbranson, 2016 5th round

There is no way in hell that Gudbranson is worth McCann, 2nd, and 4th rounder. The 5th rounder that Florida threw in was a fucking mercy pick.

[7seven]

Gubranson is a good 2nd pairing shutdown defenseman, reminds me a lot of old school Luke Richardson/Uwe Krupp, but McCann and the 33rd overall pick for him isn't a good deal, especially for a team in need of a massive rebuild. Maybe if this was just McCann for Gubranson it would be ok, jeebus Benning wtf.

This seems to indicate they aren't going to go with a proper rebuild and will try to sign some UFA vets to make the playoffs next year, I feel bad for Canucks' fans.

[murd0c]

he is a big boy, 6'5" 215lbs, we may say we got ripped off right now but Benning is making our D big and I called that shit yesterday when I said he's going to trade for a dman instead of signing one by free agency.

[Devastator]

He's a big boy that can fight, Don't know too much about him. But Benning is definitely stacking that defense with 6' 5"+ monsters. I can't hate the trade but can't love it either. Mccann is pretty weak as bottom 6 center.

I guess if you want to be on top in the west your gonna need some big D to face the ducks, sharks, and kings big forwards.

Look at LA, they play a physical game but got throttled by SJ in the playoffs.

Need those big bodies on the team.

[murd0c]

I called the big boy first hahaha

[van19]

Lol first caller to 1040 "fire Benning, this franchise is finished. "

Love the trade, Mccan seemed like a pussy, bottom 6 softer center, never going to develop into that top tier center with his skill set imo

Benning gets a +1 from me

Disagree. McCann has more bite and competitiveness than Virt. It's just that he lacks the physical tools that Virt has. Remember the game early in the season when we got blown out by Anaheim. He didn't back down from Getzlaf at all.

[mj_39]

From what I'm seeing he's actually a fairly good defensive dman, however giving up that 2nd rounder...

I could see him on the 2nd pairing. Looks like we may have seen the last of hammer

[Devastator]

Should of traded the rest of Luongo's salary back to Florida while we were at it too...lol

[Obsideon]

Stud dmen take longer to develop remember? srs-semisrs :troll:
He's a big body with a hard shot. You can't teach size. He's more defensive-minded so I don't expect to use his stats as a measuring stick.

I guess Mccan was sort of expendable with Henrik, BoHo and Sutter occupying the top 3 lines. We just traded for Granlund too. However we did pay a bit too much, but given JB's resume so far. My expectations were low and he exceeded them lol.

[Sentinel]

JB is gonna go on the podium and say something along the lines of , "we're not sure if Jared's productivity will translate well into the NHL. We had a year to assess his skill and decided he is not a good fit for our organization. We believe Gudbranson will be a foundational player on our blue line and will help us greatly for battles against the Pacific Divsion."

Given our shitty luck, watch Gudbranson be hurt for 75% of next season.

[Ch28]

Gudbranson is also an RFA next season. He signed a 1 year 3.5 mill contract not too long ago.

[7seven]

https://twitter.com/MikeDarnay/status/735642799425589249

:facepalm:

[jeedee]

well... hopefully this means the 5th pick will be Tkachuk or Dubois and not traded or drafting a dman

[Renthal]

from what i've read gudbranson is defensive minded, big body player, former 3rd overall pick.. maybe future captain material?
sucks we gave up the 33rd overall pick too :(

[Armind]

Should of traded the rest of Luongo's salary back to Florida while we were at it too...lol

Can we actually do that? :suspicious:

[jeedee]

Erik Gudbranson scouting report:

Assets: Has great size, physicality and leadership qualities. Can play a shutdown role with aplomb. Displays untapped all-around potential, as well, especially because of a good point shot.

Flaws: Needs to prove capable of staying healthy over the long haul, since he's battled both injury and illness during his formative years. Will drop the gloves but needs more work in that area.

[radioman]

Time for Gaunce to step up.

[Devastator]

Can we actually do that? :suspicious:

I was kidding...haha

[AzNightmare]

Well, at least on HF Boards, some Panther fans aren't crying over the loss of their potential "future captain". I guess that's good enough for me.

:pokerface:

[Obsideon]

Everyone saying that defenseman take longer to develop then the same people complaining this 24 year old is a bust... smh

[bobbinka]

willie mitchell not happy about the trade, lol

[spideyv2]

Well, at least on HF Boards, some Panther fans aren't crying over the loss of their potential "future captain". I guess that's good enough for me.

:pokerface:

Wouldn't this imply that losing Gudbranson isn't a big deal?

[dbaz]

Don't like that we gave up our second this year. McCann wouldn't have been more than a 3c on this team with Horvat ahead of him and hopefully pld

[spideyv2]

^Exactly. I'm sure Benning is confident that either Tkachuk/PLD will be able to replace McCann

[quasi]

Milbury 2.0, worst Canucks GM in history. The guy should be a scout, he couldn't manage a gangbang in a whorehouse.

[dbaz]

Dunno why people so pissdd about McCann being gone. He's more than likely a tweener for his career with a potential for a second line c. He can't play wing either. This technically makes our d better if we can drop sbisa or somehow trade gudbranson for the 4th overall.

Gudbranson should also be good for our division big dman

[murd0c]

everyone is saying the Panthers got hosed on this deal...

Willie Mitchell isn't happy either
https://twitter.com/Willie_Mitch33/status/735649353168257025

[Ch28]

Milbury 2.0, worst Canucks GM in history. The guy should be a scout, he couldn't manage a gangbang in a whorehouse.

Ironic that this guy prides himself on being an excellent scout and then turns around and trades all his draft picks away like they're candy.

[Mike Oxbig]

2017 2nd round pick?

[Devastator]

All draft picks exchanged are for 2016

[RiceIntegraRS]

Edler was our biggest D man at the start of this season now hes the 4th behind Tryamkim, Gudbranson, and possibly Pedan if he makes the team. I like how our D is going but our scoring is seriously lacking and it didnt help by losing McCann.

Hopefully we make a big splash on FA day

[6o4__boi]

Just saw this...I'm not too outraged.
More so about the fact that we gave up a 2nd rounder.

Well we've got a third overall pick...lol

[Ch28]

Edler was our biggest D man at the start of this season now hes the 4th behind Tryamkim, Gudbranson, and possibly Pedan if he makes the team. I like how our D is going but our scoring is seriously lacking and it didnt help by losing McCann.

Hopefully we make a big splash on FA day

I sure hope not. We need to continue developing our young players with another season of losing and being in the draft lottery.

[mb_]

Sucks that we lost McCann but I'm pumped about Gudbranson. One of the players I really wanted coming back our way when we traded Lu (the other one was Bjugstad)

[UFO]

Ironic that this guy prides himself on being an excellent scout and then turns around and trades all his draft picks away like they're candy.

I see what you're saying, but if you're good at scouting, quality > quantity and you can then turn your quantity into lower risk known quantities in more established assets. Though I've always maintained regardless how good a scout is, drafting 18 year olds is a crapshoot at best whether round 1 or round 7.

I like the trade. I don't see why everyone thinks we gave up on McCann. Sure he only had 1 year and everyone agrees he needs to grow bigger before he can better use his skillset. But you have to give up something to get something. McCann is not your 1c and he won't be your 4c. We already have more than enough guys to fill 2c/3c. If you give up a Lynden Vey, you're only going to get garbage back in return. We got back a legit real top 4 d-man who is still young, not a Sbisa top 4 d but one that can actually defend. I'm not thrilled we had to include the 2nd, but maybe part of that is due to the fact Van fans are typically overvaluing our own prospects?

On the other hand, it'd be pretty nice to have Bonino and Garrison on the Canucks roster right now...

[radioman]

I like how this D core is shaping up.

With the college signings/rodin/granlund trade/boeser looking like a stud I can see why benning moved a center.

Hank
Horvat
Sutter
McCann
Grandlund
Gaunce

Potential draft of Dubois.

Like Dbaz said, without the 2nd included it would have been a great trade. Right now its just "I can see where hes going with this"

Remember day 1 Benning has been talking about the gap of players from the Sedin era to the horvat era. Gillis gave away a lot of those picks and Benning has been trying to get the 23-26 aged player in the lineup. Granlund/Gudbranson/Etem/Larsen/Sutter. See anything in common?

[UFO]

I sure hope not. We need to continue developing our young players with another season of losing and being in the draft lottery.

From what everybody has said from Sedins up to management, looks like last year was it for the rebuild and they think the cupboards are well stocked enough. I don't fully disagree, you can draft good players deeper on in the rounds as well (ie. Boeser style), but you're hoping a lot harder obviously that the player will hit.

[dbaz]

Gaunce will be on the wing to start the season if he makes the team/isn't traded

[rsx]

Hopefully we can get back a 2nd via trade, but overall I like the trade.

[HonestTea]

Goodbye Blues

[XplicitLuder]

Goodbye Blues

I hope so.. But this comeback better not happen

[highfive]

McCann shouldn't have picked 91 as his number. Can't take stamkos's number. Lol

[murd0c]

since he couldn't pick 19 he went with 91

[PiuYi]

Ironic that this guy prides himself on being an excellent scout and then turns around and trades all his draft picks away like they're candy.

he makes his bullets count :hat:


srsly tho, that 33rd overall is practically a first rounder.... I'm excited about Gudbranson and am okay with giving up McCann for him, gotta give something to get something, but those two picks going the other way hurt

[Hondaracer]

No one mentioning that we still get a 2nd rounder for torts, so that may have come into the thinking

[Jmac]

No one mentioning that we still get a 2nd rounder for torts, so that may have come into the thinking
Probably going to be a 2018 2nd, though.

[Jmac]

Are you Jim Benning?
:pokerface:

[6o4__boi]

if Dim Jim somehow recoups a 2nd round pick for this year's draft, i'd be happy with the trade.
doubt it though, the guy is good at giving em away but he fuckin sucks at acquiring em

Trade prolly went something like this:

Dim Jim; we're interested in Gudbranson
Rowe: ok, we want Virtanen
Dim Jim: *looks at Trevor*
Trevor: *shakes head* washroom brb
Dim Jim: no can do, what about McCann?
Rowe: Let me discuss with my team

Tallon: sounds like pretty good deal, ask him about a pick too. Aim high
Rowe: u sure?
Tallon: yeah, throw in a late pick or some shit to make it seem fair. Do it now before Trevor comes back from the john
Rowe: k

Rowe: alright Jim, we'll make the trade. Tell you what, i'll give you a deal, i'll throw in our fifth if you throw in your first. 5 is a bigger number than 1.
Dim Jim: hmmm...Trevor was saying something about franchise player with 1. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal tho. Lemme wait for him just in case.
Rowe: No! wait! nvm 1, how bout 2, now or never Jimbo!
Dim Jim: Done deal! *completes*
Trevor: *flushes toilet and comes out* What'd I...goddamn it Jim. 2 is higher than 5 not the other way around

[highfive]

I'm actually surprised Benning hasn't targeted any of the Jets dman yet. Their blue line is going to cost them!

Buff, Enstrom, Myers is already $17 mil? and Trouba's extension?


That being said, I think the sharks proved that a re-tool can happen and that you don't have to rebuild. Look at how they kept Thorton and Marleau. Added depth players. Signed European players and look at what they've done this year.

[Jmac]

Sharks didn't trade Hertl, Goldobin, Meier, Muller, etc. for older underachievers ...

[mickz]

I'm actually surprised Benning hasn't targeted any of the Jets dman yet. Their blue line is going to cost them!

Buff, Enstrom, Myers is already $17 mil? and Trouba's extension?


That being said, I think the sharks proved that a re-tool can happen and that you don't have to rebuild. Look at how they kept Thorton and Marleau. Added depth players. Signed European players and look at what they've done this year.

Winnipeg has the deepest prospect pool in the league. The Jets need players that can help them right now and that's not something the Canucks have to give away.

The Sharks wanted Thornton and Marleau out but neither player wanted to go. Both are 36, have 1 season left at $6+ million and have no movement clauses. The team stripped both players of their captaincy and took most of the blame for being unable to go deep in the playoffs. The Sharks have always been a good regular season team with Thornton and Marleau but they finally played hot at the right time this year.

[rsx]

if Dim Jim somehow recoups a 2nd round pick for this year's draft, i'd be happy with the trade.
doubt it though, the guy is good at giving em away but he fuckin sucks at acquiring em

Trade prolly went something like this:

Dim Jim; we're interested in Gudbranson
Rowe: ok, we want Virtanen
Dim Jim: *looks at Trevor*
Trevor: *shakes head* washroom brb
Dim Jim: no can do, what about McCann?
Rowe: Let me discuss with my team

Tallon: sounds like pretty good deal, ask him about a pick too. Aim high
Rowe: u sure?
Tallon: yeah, throw in a late pick or some shit to make it seem fair. Do it now before Trevor comes back from the john
Rowe: k

Rowe: alright Jim, we'll make the trade. Tell you what, i'll give you a deal, i'll throw in our fifth if you throw in your first. 5 is a bigger number than 1.
Dim Jim: hmmm...Trevor was saying something about franchise player with 1. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal tho. Lemme wait for him just in case.
Rowe: No! wait! nvm 1, how bout 2, now or never Jimbo!
Dim Jim: Done deal! *completes*
Trevor: *flushes toilet and comes out* What'd I...goddamn it Jim. 2 is higher than 5 not the other way around

If CBJ grants us the 2016 2nd pick, I'll be happy.

[pastarocket]

Leafs must be doing cartwheels now that the Sharks made it to the Cup Final. They get a third round draft pick in 2018 from San Jose in the Reimer trade. An upgrade from fourth round to third round draft pick. :considered:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-officially-receive-third-round-pick-reimer-trade/

[AzNightmare]

Wouldn't this imply that losing Gudbranson isn't a big deal?

How did you interpret it that way?

Some Panthers fans were convinced he was going to be the Captain in the future. Unless you're Dustin Brown, captains are usually good players on the team.

[dbaz]

I'm actually surprised Benning hasn't targeted any of the Jets dman yet. Their blue line is going to cost them!

Buff, Enstrom, Myers is already $17 mil? and Trouba's extension?
.

Jets have so many young forwards that could be in their roster next year. ehlers(20) , scheifele(23), dano(21), armia (22), burmistrov(24), lowry (23), copp (21), ), laine (18).

and then the ahl players who could push: petan (21), lemiuex(20)

that's a lot of elc/rfa contracts to keep their cap down. they could be fucked pretty bad in the future if they throw money at burmistrov/schiefele tho

[6o4__boi]

^ that's a pretty nice problem to have

I just hope Gudbranson doesn't become the next Cam Barker

[Gumby]

How did you interpret it that way?

Some Panthers fans were convinced he was going to be the Captain in the future. Unless you're Dustin Brown, captains are usually good players on the team.
What about Ekblad being the next Panthers captain, if/when Mitchell retires?

[AzNightmare]

What about Ekblad being the next Panthers captain, if/when Mitchell retires?

Well, I guess that'll have to be the case now since we just took Gudbranson from them. :badpokerface:

I honestly don't know much about Gudbranson. I just went on HFBoards Panther's section to check out reactions. It's most likely an over value statement, but I'm happy to know at least not every Panther fan feels like they fleeced us on that trade.

[jeedee]

Edler-Tanev
Hutton-Gudbranson
Hamhuis(?)-Tryamkin

is a decent looking core if Lucas 3.6M Sbisa didn't have to be part of :lol

[Liquid_o2]

From everything I have read about Gudbranson, he is a 4th d-man at best, with average skills in every category. He will never top 20 points in a season, and he doesn't do anything bad, but he isn't great at anything either. Good skating, decent first pass, decent hockey IQ. He is a big body to clear the front of the net, and is supposedly great in the locker room. Probably not going to ever be a Top pairing d-man, unless he radically changes in Vancouver.

I'm fine with losing McCann for Gudbranson, but that 2nd round pick is going to hurt. A lot. 33rd overall could have possibly allowed Vancouver to select that type of d-man if they scouts did their job. There are usually some major gems early in the 2nd round of every draft.

Plus, isn't Tryamkin almost exactly the same as Gudbranson? Why have two players that play a similar game? Additionally, Gudbranson has one season left at $3.5 million. He is going to want a raise after that. Is a stay at home defenseman who averages 10 points a season worth $5 million a year or more?

I was hoping the Canucks would select Julolevi in the 5th spot, but now it looks like it will be Dubois (if he is still available at 5). Not a bad choice, but I think the Canucks really really need a strong puck moving defenseman that can anchor a powerplay, because this team currently has 0 players that can do the job. Maybe Hutton, but that remains to be seen.

I think this is a trade that Canucks fans will regret in a couple years.

[murd0c]

it just came out that Gudbranson turned down a 4 year 18mill offer by the Panthers.... He doesn't deserve close to that since he hasn't done a thing in the league so far WTF

[Hondaracer]

On the radio they've been going on all day about how Mccan was a whiner and those times where the Sedins came out saying you need to learn how to be a pro in this league were directed mainly at him and pouting over ice time/how he was being used

[AWDTurboLuvr]

From everything I have read about Gudbranson, he is a 4th d-man at best, with average skills in every category. He will never top 20 points in a season, and he doesn't do anything bad, but he isn't great at anything either. Good skating, decent first pass, decent hockey IQ. He is a big body to clear the front of the net, and is supposedly great in the locker room. Probably not going to ever be a Top pairing d-man, unless he radically changes in Vancouver.

I'm fine with losing McCann for Gudbranson, but that 2nd round pick is going to hurt. A lot. 33rd overall could have possibly allowed Vancouver to select that type of d-man if they scouts did their job. There are usually some major gems early in the 2nd round of every draft.

Plus, isn't Tryamkin almost exactly the same as Gudbranson? Why have two players that play a similar game? Additionally, Gudbranson has one season left at $3.5 million. He is going to want a raise after that. Is a stay at home defenseman who averages 10 points a season worth $5 million a year or more?

I was hoping the Canucks would select Julolevi in the 5th spot, but now it looks like it will be Dubois (if he is still available at 5). Not a bad choice, but I think the Canucks really really need a strong puck moving defenseman that can anchor a powerplay, because this team currently has 0 players that can do the job. Maybe Hutton, but that remains to be seen.

I think this is a trade that Canucks fans will regret in a couple years.

Honestly, that 33rd OVA pick was overrated. Percentages of a decent NHL'er at that pick is poor, ~15% chance of success. Most of the time they are career minor leaguers. This draft has a pretty big drop-off in terms of talent past the top-20 prospects. I'd rather lose the 2nd rounder and get a young d-man that's already proven to handle minutes against top-line guys.

Florida is absolutely the best spot for us to trade McCann. He'll be stuck behind Bjustad and Trochek. He's not going to be very successful as a 3rd line centre and if they try him out at wing, Florida already has great depth in that position as well.

Tryamkin is unproven though and more importantly, Gudbranson and Hutton are the same age and will progress at the same rate together. It's important that we don't have a huge gap in where players are in terms of progression.

[iwantaskyline]

Our best offensive centre under 30 traded. I am done until Benning is gone. Gudbranson is not top-4 quality -- what a god damn waste of assets.

[highfive]

If he can prove next season that he's a $6 million dman, I'm all for it. But for now, his offensive game doesn't justify that amount.

[Liquid_o2]

Honestly, that 33rd OVA pick was overrated. Percentages of a decent NHL'er at that pick is poor, ~15% chance of success. Most of the time they are career minor leaguers. This draft has a pretty big drop-off in terms of talent past the top-20 prospects. I'd rather lose the 2nd rounder and get a young d-man that's already proven to handle minutes against top-line guys.

Florida is absolutely the best spot for us to trade McCann. He'll be stuck behind Bjustad and Trochek. He's not going to be very successful as a 3rd line centre and if they try him out at wing, Florida already has great depth in that position as well.

Tryamkin is unproven though and more importantly, Gudbranson and Hutton are the same age and will progress at the same rate together. It's important that we don't have a huge gap in where players are in terms of progression.

Actually draft picks 31 through 35 have a 34% chance of playing at least 100 games in the NHL. Decent odds. Especially when DimJim's best quality is prospect assessment and drafting. There is a guy named Thatcher Demko who was picked several years back at #36 overall. Not too bad of a pickup. #31 that year was Brendan Lemeiux and #33 was Ivan Barbashev.

Early 2nd round isn't guaranteed, but usually some guys who were potential 1st round picks fall to the early 2nd round and can end up being a solid player.

Florida was smart. They could see that Gudbranson isn't going to progress into a stud d-man, and why pay the guy $5+ million a year if he isn't going to crack their top 2 pairings.

[iwantaskyline]

If he can prove next season that he's a $6 million dman, I'm all for it. But for now, his offensive game doesn't justify that amount.

He doesn't have an offensive game. Think Willie Mitchell, except slightly taller.

I'll leave this here:

http://www.tsn.ca/panthers-take-advantage-of-canucks-in-lopsided-trade-1.496247

"Truthfully, it’s difficult to see what Vancouver sees in this deal. If the prize is Gudbranson, well, the prize is something like a third-pairing defender. And the premium they paid – a legitimate prospect and multiple picks – is, in a word, inexplicable.

[jeedee]

He doesn't have an offensive game. Think Willie Mitchell, except slightly taller.

Yup read that Gudbranson is basically a younger Willie Mitchell. Not much offence, decent skater, great hitter, blocks shots, mean as shit, shut down type of guy.

[6o4__boi]

there's just something about Benning trades that piss me off because its just so counter intuitive and reveals his crippling inability to orchestrate trades

like sending off Zack Kassian with a late pick for Brandon fucking Prust, sure both team lost but at least the Habs get a pick out of it. Sure, shots of that pick becoming an NHL player is low percentage but its better than a Canucks 2016 fifth round pick turning into a player which is hovering at, oh let me check my graphs, wait, never mind, zero fucking percent.

There's something unecessary about adding those picks. You can argue day in and day out that those picks have low chances of becoming NHL players but at the end the day, low chance is better than no chance. At this rate, we're stuck with another draft where, barring some sort of miracle or intellectual breakthrough by Benning, looks like we'll have exactly 3 fucking picks in the first 5 rounds. You build by the draft, no ifs and buts about it. When you're trading away assets that are on the ice already, at least recoup by gaining the ability to pluck more assets. Here's Benning, who's supposed strength is in scouting, shitting away prospects and all these picks when the prospect cupboard is just as fucking bare as a chalkboard counting exactly how many times the Campbell Trophy has been touched. For what? Fucking no names and reject pieces from other teams that are ahead of the development curve but have pretty significantly diminished potentials.

Seriously, I can't even look at that tweet with the list of Benning trades right now. The guy is a total fucking moron when it comes to trading, asset management and contracts. Which is basically what you do as a fucking GM.

[dbaz]

the people in the media that are slagging the deal are those that rely 100% on analytics, which is still not proven to show the truth about players.

imo eye test is still the best way to tell, and the deal was worth it minus the 2nd. should of been a 3rd or cbj's 2nd

[jeedee]

Apparently Florida wouldn't have done the deal without the 2nd.

Oilers and Leafs were also interested in Gudbranson.

Oilers supposedly offered Yakupov + 2nd but Panthers liked McCann more

[7seven]

Dreger - Benning 'Far From Done In Terms Of Shopping' - TSS (http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-jim-benning-is-far-from-done-in-terms-of-shopping/)

Dreger on Benning, not done shopping, trying to add to contend for playoff spot next year.

[6o4__boi]

damn...i'm surprised they turned down Yak AND a 2nd from the oilers

really shows you that the analytics guys have quite a bit of power in FLA

Dreger - Benning 'Far From Done In Terms Of Shopping' - TSS (http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-jim-benning-is-far-from-done-in-terms-of-shopping/)

Dreger on Benning, not done shopping, trying to add to contend for playoff spot next year.

:ohgodwhy:

[tonyzoomzoom]

Dreger - Benning 'Far From Done In Terms Of Shopping' - TSS (http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-jim-benning-is-far-from-done-in-terms-of-shopping/)

Dreger on Benning, not done shopping, trying to add to contend for playoff spot next year.

All the other GMs would be happy to hear that... :okay:

[6o4__boi]

Canucks sign another physical (albeit smaller) former Leafs prospect to a 1 year two way deal

Tom Nilsson - Right hand shot - 22 years old
Hockey's Future - Tom Nilsson (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/tom_nilsson/)
Tom Nilsson hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=142625)

[Bouncing Bettys]

Apparently Florida wouldn't have done the deal without the 2nd.

Oilers and Leafs were also interested in Gudbranson.

Oilers supposedly offered Yakupov + 2nd but Panthers liked McCann more

The new regime in Toronto stays pretty quiet about what it intends to do but I am curious to know what was offered, especially given the Oilers offer and the deal itself.

[Derek_N84]

https://i.imgflip.com/14tzp1.jpg

[6o4__boi]

https://twitter.com/ryanbiech/status/735951973309022209

seeing as Subban is a Gillis pick, maybe he'll fetch a 2nd round at the draft :badpokerface:

[TjAlmeida]

Not a bad trade, still think it was too early to give up on Mccann, but Gudbranson is only 24 and has a couple more years to solidify himself as either a top 4 guy or a bottom 2.

That 2nd rounder though is a fucking knife in the back. Suck shit this year to get a reasonable draft order selection just to start trading them away.

Our defensive cupboards are full of middle tier defensemen, Watch this mother fucker jimbo grab russell. SMH

[dbaz]

something has to be happening to sbisa. no way they role with a sbisa tryamkin pairing. that would be a disaster.

[6o4__boi]

Sbisa for a 2nd round pick?
lol...don't think there are any takers with his cap hit though

Benning has been on record many times saying that he intends to carry as much dmen in the NHL roster as he can. He's got enough now without re-signing garbage like Bartkowski so i think Sbisa stays

[Obsideon]

I'm gonna stay positive and hope Gudbranson can develop into a solid 2nd pairing eating big minutes and holding his own. Season hasn't started yet and he's already under fire...

[pastarocket]

OMG, Stamkos is playing game 7. Interesting. :troll:

[68style]

I was kinda mad about the 2nd round pick too... But If you stop and think about it, whatever you think of Benning, the one thing he without a doubt knows is drafting right? If he didn't think there was anything worthwhile at 33 then the pick was expendable, simple as that in my mind.

[Obsideon]

OMG, Stamkos is playing game 7. Interesting. :troll:

Wow, that's dramatic. Goosebumps, missing the entire playoffs with blood clots but coming in for game 7.

[Obsideon]

Hoping he makes a big impact! I'm cheering for Tampa, Garrison for the cup!