[6o4__boi]

Has the Canucks signed Baertschi to a deal yet?
I can't remember lol.

[Nabatron]

not yet I'm thinking is wanting more term then money...I'm assuming JB is offering a one year deal like every other player he has resigned or signed...

[Ch28]

GMJB loading up on 1 year deals so he can make a roster overhaul next season.

[Jmac]

From what I've read, the Canucks want to do a 1-year deal, Baertschi's camp wants a 2-3 year deal.

I'm guessing it's likely going to be a 2-year bridge deal in the $1M/season area.

He doesn't have arbitration rights, but he is an unsigned RFA who can play in Switzerland next season for a good chunk of change, which gives him leverage. I don't believe he's seriously considering playing in Europe next season as he's basically going to spend the entire offseason training in Vancouver under the guidance of the Canucks' training staff.

[Jmac]

Expansion bid deadline passed half an hour ago, looks like the only 2 bids were from Las Vegas and Quebec City. No bid from Seattle.

[SumAznGuy]

Expansion bid deadline passed half an hour ago, looks like the only 2 bids were from Las Vegas and Quebec City. No bid from Seattle.

I read they want to move an existing franchise vs paying the expansion fee.

Not sure how much more it would cost them.

[Ronin]

Seattle keeps hoping they can get a basketball team instead of a hockey team but that's just not realistic. I don't think the NBA is looking at expansion, are they?

[Mike Oxbig]

Seattle keeps hoping they can get a basketball team instead of a hockey team but that's just not realistic. I don't think the NBA is looking at expansion, are they?

maybe you should expand some of your food blog post in seattle


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[Jmac]

Seattle keeps hoping they can get a basketball team instead of a hockey team but that's just not realistic. I don't think the NBA is looking at expansion, are they?
From what I've heard via 1040, Seattle is willing to build a new arena if they get an NBA team, but not an NHL team. They're in the market for an NHL team after they get an NBA team.

I don't follow the NBA much considering I hate the NBA with a fiery passion, but from what I understand, the new CBA has done wonders for profitability and team valuations. Of course, the NBA has also moved more teams in the past 15 years than all the other major leagues in North America combined and their CBA expires in 2 years, so I'm not sure how much stock I'd put into that stability.

[willystyle]

I don't think Seattle is getting a NBA team soon, considering they've gotten screwed over twice in the last few years (Kings relocation and recent bid for expansion). They threw so much money around at their recent bid that the NBA still didn't care to grant them a team. If Seattle has any self-respect for themselves, they should stop bidding and tell them to F off. The NBA needs Seattle more than the other way around.

[Ch28]

Seattle keeps hoping they can get a basketball team instead of a hockey team but that's just not realistic. I don't think the NBA is looking at expansion, are they?

maybe you should expand some of your food blog post in seattle


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[CRS]

Seattle keeps hoping they can get a basketball team instead of a hockey team but that's just not realistic. I don't think the NBA is looking at expansion, are they?

maybe you should expand some of your food blog post in seattle


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[murd0c]

fuck we need some hockey news bad

[Mike Oxbig]

fuck we need some hockey news bad

"should the canucks sign semin too boost his value with the twins and trade him to a contender on trade dead line?"

[CRS]

"should the canucks sign semin too boost his value with the twins and trade him to a contender on trade dead line?"

http://replygif.net/i/272.gif

[Ch28]

"should the canucks sign semin too boost his value with the twins and trade him to a contender on trade dead line?"

http://i.imgur.com/a3f3PQs.gif

[murd0c]

How about Hank telling a Swedish newspaper today that they would be ok if they were traded.... I don't have a link but they have been talking all about it on 1040 this morning

[Mike Oxbig]

which team would they go? Islanders looks like a team that needs secondary scoring

[Spoon]

Only other jersey I see the Sedins wearing is a Detroit jersey. It's like the Swedish retirement home.

[6o4__boi]

probably taken out of context lol, I don't see them getting traded.
it's been slow going in terms of news.

I'm surprised Franson isn't signed...i guess he'll be taking a PTO at this rate.
i'd be down to sign Semin if he's willing to sign a league min two way contract haha

but really Canucks should be focusing on getting Baertschi signed before anything.

[SumAznGuy]

Has anyone signed Mike Santorelli?

[6o4__boi]

nope, not signed yet either.
probably pto bound come September.

[Nabatron]

^dont think so...really wish canucks would re-sign him he is a way better option then vey on the 4th line...

[Hondaracer]

Why would any team sign the sedins for a cup run? Lol

[6o4__boi]

Don Sweeney probably would
:troll:

[PiuYi]

I don't think Seattle is getting a NBA team soon, considering they've gotten screwed over twice in the last few years (Kings relocation and recent bid for expansion). They threw so much money around at their recent bid that the NBA still didn't care to grant them a team. If Seattle has any self-respect for themselves, they should stop bidding and tell them to F off. The NBA needs Seattle more than the other way around.

not typically a John Oliver fan but this one's pretty relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwJt4bcnXs

tldr; no city has any self respect for themselves when it comes to sports

[willystyle]

tldr; no city has any self respect for themselves when it comes to sports
In the same light, Vancouver won't be begging for NBA's return. :)

[Ch28]

How about Hank telling a Swedish newspaper today that they would be ok if they were traded.... I don't have a link but they have been talking all about it on 1040 this morning

http://i.imgur.com/bls4QTZ.gif

[Mike Oxbig]

Only other jersey I see the Sedins wearing is a Detroit jersey. It's like the Swedish retirement home.

Or the NYR unite with the king and AV.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Or the NYR unite with the king and AV.

Or the Flames to unite them with the man who drafted them :troll:

[UFO]

I'm surprised Franson isn't signed...i guess he'll be taking a PTO at this rate.

I'm more surprised by Braden holtby thinking he's worth 8M per year... It's an arbitration request but still

I've been generally impressed by how most gm's have been able to show such restraint this Ufa season.

[Expresso]

^Everyone's probably saving their money for the big UFA crop next year!

[6o4__boi]

lol Holtby is just aiming high, guy's an average goalie at best and will probably be a full time bought out back up by 30 if he gets a lick of good money.

ufa was a pretty shitty crop this season tbh so i can't give em that much credit for showing restraint. If next year turns out to be good, stupid money being thrown around will resume.

[CRS]

Lindquist: Sedin's comfortable staying with Canucks in supporting role - Audio - TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040-i-1410/lindquist-sedin-s-comfortable-staying-with-canucks-in-supporting-role-1.334590)

Expressen reporter Jonatan Lindquist tells Sekeres and Paterson that - after talking with the Sedins in Sweden - the Twins prefer to stay in Vancouver and play out their contracts in an eventual supporting role. Lindquist also says the Sedins would be willing to move, if asked, but their preference is to be Canucks for life

[murd0c]

Because the Sedins are team players, if moving them will help the team in the future they will be not happy with it but ok since they are the type of unselfish players every team needs and wants.

[Ch28]

I'm more surprised by Braden holtby thinking he's worth 8M per year... It's an arbitration request but still

I've been generally impressed by how most gm's have been able to show such restraint this Ufa season.

lol Holtby is just aiming high, guy's an average goalie at best and will probably be a full time bought out back up by 30 if he gets a lick of good money.

ufa was a pretty shitty crop this season tbh so i can't give em that much credit for showing restraint. If next year turns out to be good, stupid money being thrown around will resume.

NHL Goalies ‑ All-Time Playoff Save Percentage Leaders (http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-playoff-save-percentage-leaders.html)

Braden Holtby has the highest career playoff save percentage of all time. :toot:

[UFO]

ufa was a pretty shitty crop this season tbh so i can't give em that much credit for showing restraint. If next year turns out to be good, stupid money being thrown around will resume.

which is all the more surprising that somebody like Franson still isn't signed. He wants money and term no doubt, but nobody is biting. He'll get something for sure, but definitely not the big pay day most expected.

A weaker UFA class typically means that silly contracts get handed out like candy. The change this year, combined with the hype around the emphasis on drafting (even in the crapshoot rounds 3-7), feels like a bit of a shift in the landscape of most teams/GM's. Maybe its the supposedly deeper draft pool this year, but I get the impression GM's are understanding that the key to success or even mediocrity can't be gained through throwing money at overvalued players, it's more effective AND cheaper to do it through drafting, prospects, and club controlled assets (RFA's). I wonder how this will affect the next CBA

[Tim Budong]

Because the Sedins are team players, if moving them will help the team in the future they will be not happy with it but ok since they are the type of unselfish players every team needs and wants.

The Sedins are exactly that

Its like Bieksa as well, he didn't really want to uproot his entire family to leave the city, and he "said" he was willing to fall with the team

whatever it is, once you got families, its sometimes bigger than the team. The Sedins worked to where they are now as respectable Vancouverites not by being great hockey players, but they have done so by contributing back to the community.

[Jmac]

Franson isn't signed because he wanted too much after he was dealt to Nashville and became a #6 for them.

[Tim Budong]

LOLOL
wtfff
Lou Lamoriello resigns from NJD

...

Lou Lamoriello named Leafs GM....

[Bouncing Bettys]

Interesting. I had to check two other sources before believig this hire.

[murd0c]

Only the Leafs would hire someone who's game plan hasn't worked in over a decade....

[6o4__boi]

NHL Goalies ‑$All-Time Playoff Save Percentage$Leaders (http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-playoff-save-percentage-leaders.html)

Braden Holtby has the highest career playoff save percentage of all time. :toot:
yeah...but only through 34 games
as a regular season goalie his numbers are decent but he hasn't even played 200 games yet so the sample size is small
he strikes me as a goalie who'll put up a couple of good years, get good money and then disappear.

LOLOL
wtfff
Lou Lamoriello resigns from NJD

...

Lou Lamoriello named Leafs GM....

i guess this answers the question what happens when you're 72 and your baby momma says she's got one on the way?

[Mike Oxbig]

TT is god .940

after he won the cup for boston they just dropped him like a cold turkey :joy:

[spoon.ek9]

that's an interesting move.....

[Hondaracer]

Leafs office > Nucks

Signing winners never hurts

[Expresso]

Leafs office > Nucks

Signing winners never hurts

Isn't Benning a winner? :fullofwin:

[Hondaracer]

Not directly

[UFO]

Leafs office > Nucks

Signing winners never hurts

As evidenced by how well Darryl Katz' strategy has worked over the past decade....

[jeedee]

Isn't Benning a winner? :fullofwin:

he aint with the trades he's made :lawl:

[dhari]

Leafs office > Nucks

Signing winners never hurts

Let's see what happens on the ice. Front office is front office. Front line is different...especially when your front line is in front of Toronto fans/media.

[PiuYi]

only the Leafs would think spending a draft pick to sign a 72yr old GM is a good idea...

not to mention with the amount of success shanahan babcock and GMLou had individually, ego's are bound to collide when its decision making time


NHL Goalies ‑$All-Time Playoff Save Percentage$Leaders (http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-playoff-save-percentage-leaders.html)

Braden Holtby has the highest career playoff save percentage of all time. :toot:

bobby lou and ryan miller are both better playoff goalies than carey price :suspicious:

[Tim Budong]

bobby lou and ryan miller are both better playoff goalies than carey price :suspicious:

numbers are one thing
making the right save at the right time is another.

none of these goalies really show that

haha

[Mike Oxbig]

I wish the canucks would just fucking suck for a few season so we can have decent hockey to watch next decade :cry:

since we're no where even close to these teams:
blackhawks
ducks
rangers/lightning
kings

[nah]

I wish the canucks would just fucking suck for a few season so we can have decent hockey to watch next decade :cry:

since we're no where even close to these teams:
blackhawks
ducks
rangers/lightning
kings

Nope, the Aquaman needs his first round playoff revenue. :rukidding:

[CRS]

Nope, the Aquaman needs his first round playoff revenue. :rukidding:

:lol

I wonder how those season ticket sales are going.

[Tim Budong]

Semin signs in MTL for one year
lawlsss

[willystyle]

Nope, the Aquaman needs his first round playoff revenue. :rukidding:
Neither will the "fans" fill seats to a bottom feeding team.

[Nabatron]

so with matthias gone, kassian, richardson, and whoever else if I'm missing any...where does management think the goal scoring is going to come from. I know its not like these guys scored a ton but they did put up some decent numbers for goals...

[SumAznGuy]

so with matthias gone, kassian, richardson, and whoever else if I'm missing any...where does management think the goal scoring is going to come from. I know its not like these guys scored a ton but they did put up some decent numbers for goals...

Maybe Bartsechi, Virtanen, and Vey. :troll:

Let's not forget though, if we kept Matthias and Richardson, we'd basically be the same team as last year and there'd be no room for any of the young guys to fit in.

We still have Jensen who is 22 and itching for a chance to be on the big club.
This may be his last shot and if it doesn't work, he may go back to Europe.

As much as some of JB's deals don't make sense, JB is making room. Higgins will be gone when his contract is done. Most likely, Vrbata will be gone too.

[6o4__boi]

Horvat, Baertschi, Vey, Virtanen (maybe)

lol that's pretty much it.
tbh, i have really low expectations for next season. I could give two shits where we end up in the standings as long as some prospects make show up and take a right step in their development.

[6o4__boi]

Jensen is probably done as a Canuck...Management isn't too keen on him
For a player his size he's pretty soft and pretty weak on the boards.

[Nabatron]

alot to ask for those 3 guys to put up numbers...Sven could replace matthias's goal production thats if he gets a fair shake on the top 6 and pp, Virtanen tuff to ask a rookie to put up numbers but if he gets 10goals that replaces richardson production, as for vey i hate the guy and dont think he will put up numbers unless WD keeps putting him on the pp. This to me doesnt make sense because how you put a 4th line centre on your first pp unit?

[SumAznGuy]

Horvat, Baertschi, Vey, Virtanen (maybe)

lol that's pretty much it.
tbh, i have really low expectations for next season. I could give two shits where we end up in the standings as long as some prospects make show up and take a right step in their development.

If Horvat, Kenis and Vey show improvements over last year, then that is good enough for me.
If Baertschi and Virtanen show Horvat type numbers from last year, then that is the cherry on top for me.

Jensen is probably done as a Canuck...

Lol. I know. I said the same thing last year. I just think the Nucks management will give him one last try before letting him go. Maybe they can trade him for a used jock or something.

[Nabatron]

yeah as for jensen he has all the talent to be a top 6 but he plays way too soft...better euro league player, unless he comes to camp and lights it up and i mean lights it up he plays so well theres noway they could send him down. But I dont see that happening unless he skates circles around everyone and snipes..

[6o4__boi]

If Kenins can somehow become a younger, slightly better Hansen then he's basically exceeded all expectation for his career.

[SumAznGuy]

Holtby signs a 5 year $30.5M extension with the Caps.

Bye bye Ryan Stanton. Signs with the Caps as well.

[Mike Oxbig]

:lol

I wonder how those season ticket sales are going.

i got half season tickets...

ill be cheering against the canucks this year cause i want that lottery pick

Jensen is probably done as a Canuck...Management isn't too keen on him
For a player his size he's pretty soft and pretty weak on the boards.


what is he worth... any chance we can get 2nd round pick for him? If we do, thats like baerschi for jensen :joy:

[nah]

hopefully with the team in the shitters and losing money, the aqualinis sell the team to owners that want to win instead of just making money.

[UFO]

Have you seen what aquaman is building and wants to build around gm place? He's making mad money win or lose. He was wise to invest in food and beverage last season to plan for the future, distract from the product on the ice

[highfive]

Aquaman is going to have 1100 rental units around Rogers Arena. No way he's going to let it go including the team.

[Blah_Teggie]

Have you seen what aquaman is building and wants to build around gm place? He's making mad money win or lose. He was wise to invest in food and beverage last season to plan for the future, distract from the product on the ice

To be fair, the product on the ice last year wasn't half bad. The team did finish with 101 points. That's only one point behind the eventual Stanley Cup winners. They finished 8th overall in the NHL when nobody expected them to finish as high as they did.

[murd0c]

any news on what's going on with signing Baertschi?

[pastarocket]

The Chiasson signing with the Sens should help the Canucks in terms of offering Baertschi less money for a multi year deal.

Baertschi hasn't proven yet that he can perform over an entire season compared to Chiasson.

Carol Schram
Vancouver Canucks Blogger

With the Vancouver Canucks roster pretty much set to start the 2015-16 season, the only real uncertainty that remains is the value of the contract that restricted free agent Sven Baertschi will receive as he gets ready to step into what's most likely a top-six position in the fall.

Here's another comparable that probably works in the Canucks' favor in the Baertschi case.

The Ottawa Senators' Alex Chiasson was just awarded a one-year contract worth $1.2 million in his Thursday arbitration hearing, according to NHL.com.

Chiasson is two years older than Baertschi, but Baertschi actually got to the NHL first, with those five games for Calgary back in 2011-12. Chiasson didn't make his NHL debut until the following season, when he played seven games in Dallas while spending most of his year with the AHL Texas Stars.

In 2013-14, however, Chiasson established himself as a full-time NHLer and posted 35 points, while Baertschi played just 26 NHL games. Same thing last year, after Chiasson moved to Ottawa: he had 26 points in 76 games while Baertschi had six points in 18 games with the Flames and Canucks.

Because he's older, Chiasson had arbitration rights where Baertschi does not, which should theoretically improve his bargaining position. But Chiasson asked for $2.475 million while the Senators offered $1 million. He'll have to settle for less than half of what he was shooting for with his $1.2 million arbitration award for next season.

Since there's every indication that the Canucks are game to give Baertschi the multi-year deal he's looking for, I can't see any way that his contract value should exceed Chiasson's when he has not yet even proven himself as a full-time NHLer.

[pastarocket]

FYI: Burrows is at Smashfest. When I first heard the name of that event, I thought that there would plenty of NHLers and Ho's there. :lawl:

Alex Burrows at Smashfest

Luke Fox of Sportsnet has a good piece here on Thursday night's Smashfest event in Toronto.

Vancouver's Alex Burrows was the runner-up in the ping-pong tournament in 2014. This season, he reached the semi-final before falling to Patrick Eaves of the Dallas Stars—a first-time player who ended up taking this year's title.

Fox has lots of gossipy tidbits from the event, which included appearances by everyone from Eric Lindros to Toronto mayor John Tory to Canadian tennis ace Milos Raonic.

Here's what he got from Burrows, about what he expects to see from Jacob Markstrom:

Vancouver's Alex Burrows, 2014's Smashfest runner-up, believes teammate and Canucks backup Jacob Markstrom can be a No. 1 goaltender in the NHL.

"Why not? He's got the size. Goalies are just getting bigger and bigger and bigger these days. It's the new trend," Burrows told me. "He's one of those guys who's 6'6". He's working with Rollie Melanson, one of the best goalie coaches. There's no reason why he can't be a No. 1 going forward."

[7seven]

Rangers resign Stepan, 6 years for $6.5mil cap hit, new going rate for 2nd tier top 6 players seems to be $6 to 8mil, so in that sense, its a fair deal.

Rangers sign Stepan ? six years, $39 million | ProHockeyTalk (http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/27/rangers-sign-stepan-six-years-39-million/)

[68style]

I wonder why Wilson signed so cheap comparatively... He was only 10pts off of Stepan's pace.

[UFO]

To be fair, the product on the ice last year wasn't half bad. The team did finish with 101 points. That's only one point behind the eventual Stanley Cup winners. They finished 8th overall in the NHL when nobody expected them to finish as high as they did.

Yes, last year was better than most had expected. By virtue of losing Torts and actually running team practices, I figured the team would have gotten at least an extra 10-15 pts -- so they exceeded my expectations by 3 pts and made the playoffs 'comfortably' this past season. Aquaman made a couple extra million to help pay off all those km's of new beer lines with the Flames routing us easily, and we have to put up with Tegra trolling us for the whole next season and possibly even longer.

But I think they know full well the next several years while we are transitioning away from the Sedin stale core era to whatever lies next, has the potential for great pain especially with seemingly every other team in the West becoming stronger or starting to peak. All of our prospects right now are still in the "we hope they will be amazing, but in all likelihood they will be good" stage, with no bonafide 1st line replacements.

I joked last year that we started the season with a 1st line and 3 3rd-4th lines, but the future reality may very well be that we'll have a 2nd line and 3 3rd-4th lines.

[mickz]

I wonder why Wilson signed so cheap comparatively... He was only 10pts off of Stepan's pace.

Tennessee doesn't have income tax.

[Boostslut]

Bye bye Bonino..

[winson604]

Canucks have acquired Brandon Sutter and a 3rd round pick from Pittsburgh in exchange for Nick Bonino, Adam Clendening and a 2nd round pick in 2016

[Tim Budong]

lpolol

[68style]

More room for a youngster to come in I guess!

We sure have lost an awful lot of goal production from last year though :heckno:

[CRS]

More room for a youngster to come in I guess!

We sure have lost an awful lot of goal production from last year though :heckno:

Tank for Matthews!

[murd0c]

I don't know what to say right now....

[jeedee]

Interesting...

I don't really mind Sutter but trading a 27 Bonino who has 2 years left @1.9M cap for Sutter 26 y/o at 1 year left @ 3.3M, give up a 2nd for a 3rd and Clendening as well....

If Sutter walks as a UFA after this season... :smug:

[68style]

I guess we didn't actually lose any goals, Sutter had an unusually productive year last year goal-wise... 21 goals compared to Bonino's 15......... but I would think Bonino's ceiling is higher.

Also not sure who Sutter was playing with last year, don't follow the Penguins much. If it was anywhere even near Crosby or Malkin then that's like a free 10+ goals right there lol... whereas we stuck Bonino with Higgins most of the year.

[Tim Budong]

Sutter is UFA...
Bonino is.... UFA...

Sutter is more $$..Sven is not signed...


wtffffffff

LOLOLOLOL

[CRS]

I guess we didn't actually lose any goals, Sutter had an unusually productive year last year goal-wise... 21 goals compared to Bonino's 15......... but I would think Bonino's ceiling is higher.

Also not sure who Sutter was playing with last year, don't follow the Penguins much. If it was anywhere even near Crosby or Malkin then that's like a free 10+ goals right there lol

Well he's a centre and Crosby and Malkin are also both centres... So assuming that the Pens didn't play 2Cs on one line, he's been playing on the third line.

[jeedee]

Correct me if I'm wrong but he was playing 3C as a shutdown behind Sid and Geno?

He'll probably be utilized as a 3C in Vancouver as well behind Henrik and Bo (or Bo as 3c shutdown and Sutter as 2C)

[XplicitLuder]

Wasn't clendening our QB to be for the PP ?

[7seven]

Some are saying its a 2017 3rd too from Pitts, don't like this trade for the Canucks, Sutter to me is just a 3rd line center, not much different than Bonino, and the Canucks have to throw in a 2nd rd pick and Clendening for a 2017 3rd round pick?

I would have said this was a rebuilding trade but that doesn't make sense if you're giving up a 2nd round 2016 pick for a 3rd round 2017 pick. What is Benning doing?

[Tim Budong]

https://twitter.com/nucksmisconduct/status/626055586237534208

lolol
http://i.imgur.com/jPBOk71.jpg

[murd0c]

This trade makes zero sense in my books, Clendening was looking good and he's young so why give him up like that out of the blue? there has to be more we don't know about.

[Ch28]

Sutter is UFA after next season too

[68style]

Inb4 Bonino slept with *insert goalie's name here* wife/gf/gay lover!!!

[CRS]

Inb4 Bonino slept with *insert goalie's name here* wife/gf/gay lover!!!

THIS GUY?
http://www.vancouversun.com/cms/binary/10216147.jpg

:lol

[SumAznGuy]

Wasn't clendening our QB to be for the PP ?

In theory yes. He shoots right but right now I don't see where they would fit him in in the top 6 for D.

Maybe they saw something in him that they didn't like when he was in Utica.

As for the Bonino for Sutter trade, I don't like it too much but it does free up the second line center spot for Bo and allows Sutter to play as the 3rd line center while Vey can center the 4th line.

How much $$$ did Richardson sign for?

[XplicitLuder]

This trade makes zero sense in my books, Clendening was looking good and he's young so why give him up like that out of the blue? there has to be more we don't know about.

Franson still unsigned , dun dun dun

[7seven]

https://twitter.com/NEWS1130Sports/status/626057199236874241

What happens with Sven's contract now that the Canucks added more salary in Sutter over Bonino

[Tim Budong]

https://twitter.com/NEWS1130Sports/status/626057199236874241

What happens with Sven's contract now that the Canucks added more salary in Sutter over Bonino

theres gotta be more moves coming

[murd0c]

Franson still unsigned , dun dun dun

I wish but I can't see it

[hypediss]

saw this graphic on TSN

http://www.tsn.ca/polopoly_fs/1.337263!/fileimage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/default/yost-graph-nhl-draft-success-2000-2012.jpg

check out where we are LOL

doesnt surprise me really.

[Ch28]

saw this graphic on TSN

http://www.tsn.ca/polopoly_fs/1.337263!/fileimage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/default/yost-graph-nhl-draft-success-2000-2012.jpg

check out where we are LOL

doesnt surprise me really.

Ron Delorme

[Hondaracer]

Lol I for one actually don't mind it

Dim Jim strikes again? Lol

[6o4__boi]

wait what the fuck
so we gave up another 2nd round pick?!

godfucking damn this team.


wait, we had two 2nd rounders next year right?
i'm hearing that we traded the ducks 2nd round for Buffalo's 3rd round...if that's the case, i feel ever slightly better.


edit: if that's true then we essentially traded Bieksa, Bonino, Clendening for Sutter and a 3rd

[6o4__boi]

:rukidding: if we end up just getting back our original 3rd in this deal

https://twitter.com/generalfanager/status/626066727479209984

https://twitter.com/generalfanager/status/626066219599298564

[dbaz]

if its for reacquiring our 3rd, possible offersheet?

[Jmac]

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

[OGCStrike]

Notable 2015 RFA's left...Galchenyuk, Huberdeau, Nelson, Hoffman, Silfverberg.
let your imagination go wild :accepted:

[Nabatron]

check canucks UFA's theres alot!

[highfive]

if its for reacquiring our 3rd, possible offersheet?

For who?

Good ones pretty much all signed. Plus we don't have the cap space.

[PiuYi]

Canucks in full tank mode... thought we'd at least get a nice draft pick for bonino's attractive contract

but then again with our draft history... maybe sutter's a safer bet :lol

[Ch28]

Lol I for one actually don't mind it

Dim Jim strikes again? Lol

http://i.imgur.com/qgNeE3G.gif

#DimJimStrikesAgain

[Mike Oxbig]

Maybe banning trying to flip sutter for J. Staal since canes want him back last ur

[murd0c]

So as per theScore

Canucks GM: F Brandon Sutter is a 'foundation piece,' talking contract extension

[Liquid_o2]

I don't really care about Bonino, yah he has a lower cap hit than Sutter, but he wasn't going to take us anywhere. I'm more worried about losing Clendening and the draft pick. Gave up Forsling for Clendending last year, the guy looks like he could be a solid PP quarterback. Losing young defencemen is always tough.

Is it me or does GMJB seem to be flying by the seat of his pants with no gameplan?

[Ch28]

I don't really care about Bonino, yah he has a lower cap hit than Sutter, but he wasn't going to take us anywhere. I'm more worried about losing Clendening and the draft pick. Gave up Forsling for Clendending last year, the guy looks like he could be a solid PP quarterback. Losing young defencemen is always tough.

Is it me or does GMJB seem to be flying by the seat of his pants with no gameplan?

That's what the guys on Team 1040 were talking about this morning and how he seems to have no plan whatsoever and every trade he's making just seems to be out of left field.

You should've heard them this morning when they broke news of the trade. They were speechless and there was a few seconds of dead air cause they didn't know how to react haha

[highfive]

I don't get why they had to give up Clendening. Forsling seem to be a good upcoming D. Then we traded him for Clendening...now this?

Lets hope there is a trade or sign after this.


^Dead air is still better than Dave Pratt talking.

[Nabatron]

seems like a run and gun GM! Dont mind bonino going guy was too slow anyways...clendening tuff to see how he was going to be but at least now corrado has a shot to make the team and knows where he stands..

[Tegra_Devil]

Hahahahaha. Ur GM sucks dick

[murd0c]

Hahahahaha. Ur GM sucks dick

:rukidding:

[Ch28]

Hahahahaha. Ur GM sucks dick

http://i.imgur.com/qgNeE3G.gif

[Jmac]

The 3rd is conditional: lower of the Islanders and Vancouver picks at the end of the season.

No offersheets (plus we have no cap space)

[Hondaracer]

If his extension is 5 years or more, say hello to your next captain.

[murd0c]

You really think so?

[Hondaracer]

Could see him as a transitional captain sure

[cdizzle_996]

Hahahahaha. Ur GM sucks dick


Has 1 mediocre year... Thinks he can beak :rukidding:

[6o4__boi]

i just don't like the fact we lose a 2nd rounder over this.

I'd pick Sutter over Bonino in the west. He's an upgrade over Bonino for sure but that kinda fucks up the Cap situation.

it scares me just a little bit though that Benning might sign him to a Sbisa-like contract. At $3.3M he's already overpaid imo

[Liquid_o2]

Sutter is a great 2 way player, but he will never be a 50+ point player. Is that worth $5 million a season? Seems like Benning threw all his cards on the table during negotiations calling Sutter a foundation player.

[Ch28]

Luongo, Schneider, Kesler, Bieksa, Lack = Markstrom, Horvat, Sbisa, Sutter, Dorsett, McCann, 3rd, 3rd, 7th, retained salary on Luongo.

[dbaz]

well if horvat is becoming the 2nd line center, having sutter over bonino makes sense defensively. really felt bonino had to be surrounded by defensive players which hurt our 2nd line. clendening at this point with the other rfa's we have and upcoming d is extremely expendable. the pick is a bit weird but dont think it makes too much dif in the long run unless both the canucks and islanders go deep in the playoffs/finish high

sedins-burrows
baert-horvat-vrbata
higgins-sutter-hansen

looks better than last year

[TjAlmeida]

I personally like this trade. Sutter over bonino for sure. Clendening may be a bit harder to swallow but we have other who can possibly move into his void in the depth chart.

Losing a late second rounder and recouping probably a mid to early third rounder. My thinking is Benning figured moving hamhuis or vrbata during the season will recoup early round pick(s). Obviously more picks the better but possibly sacrificing now on paper will will turn into a refilled draft pick ssituation later in the season.

[pastarocket]

Baertschi signs a one year contract:

Canucks re-sign forward Sven Baertschi - Vancouver Canucks - News (http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=775810&navid=DL|VAN|home)

Vancouver Canucks General Manager Jim Benning announced today that the Canucks have re-signed forward Sven Baertschi to a one-year, one-way contract.

Baertschi, 22, appeared in two playoff games as well as three regular season games with the Canucks, where he registered two goals (2-0-2). He also split time this season between the Utica Comets, the Calgary Flames and the Adirondack Flames. With Utica, he collected 15 points (7-8-15) in 15 regular season games and notched a team-high eight goals (8-7-15) in 21 playoff games during the 2015 Calder Cup Playoffs. Prior to joining Vancouver and Utica, Baertschi appeared in 15 games with the Calgary Flames this past season, recording four assists (0-4-4) and six penalty minutes. He also appeared in 36 games with the Adirondack Flames, collecting 25 points (8-17-25) and six penalty minutes.

The Bern, Switzerland native has appeared in 69 regular season NHL games split between Vancouver and Calgary collecting 30 points (10-20-30) and 26 penalty minutes.

The 5’11”, 190-pound forward was originally selected by Calgary 13th overall in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft. He was acquired by Vancouver from the Calgary Flames in exchange for Vancouver’s second round pick in the 2015 NHL Entry Draft on March 2, 2015.

[SumAznGuy]

I personally like this trade. Sutter over bonino for sure. Clendening may be a bit harder to swallow but we have other who can possibly move into his void in the depth chart.

Losing a late second rounder and recouping probably a mid to early third rounder. My thinking is Benning figured moving hamhuis or vrbata during the season will recoup early round pick(s). Obviously more picks the better but possibly sacrificing now on paper will will turn into a refilled draft pick ssituation later in the season.

My only issue is that we gave up a young prospect to pick up Clendening.
I hated the Kesler trade and after 1 season of watching Bonino, I think the Sutter trade isn't that bad.

I just hope JB thinks the same thing and may be trying to move Vrbata and Hamhuis for picks.

[TjAlmeida]

My only issue is that we gave up a young prospect to pick up Clendening.
I hated the Kesler trade and after 1 season of watching Bonino, I think the Sutter trade isn't that bad.

I just hope JB thinks the same thing and may be trying to move Vrbata and Hamhuis for picks.

in the first place I wish we rather had stuck with forsling, after his performance at the world juniors. personally I didn't see the gain in Clendening other then his point shot. Trade a young producing defensemen for an older ahl ready defensemen is fucking stupid.

[6o4__boi]

it's funny how in the end we ended up essentially trading Kesler for Sutter

iirc, with that one way deal. Baertschi becomes an RFA with arbitration rights at the end of that deal right?

[jeedee]

Sutter is a great 2 way player, but he will never be a 50+ point player. Is that worth $5 million a season? Seems like Benning threw all his cards on the table during negotiations calling Sutter a foundation player.

With a higher salary cap you should get used to and expect more of these "overpaid contacts" :lol

[jeedee]

it's funny how in the end we ended up essentially trading Kesler for Sutter

aka the main piece Gillis wanted / was offered for Kesler by Pittsburgh way back then but Aquilinis vetoed the trade :smug:

[SumAznGuy]

in the first place I wish we rather had stuck with forsling, after his performance at the world juniors. personally I didn't see the gain in Clendening other then his point shot. Trade a young producing defensemen for an older ahl ready defensemen is fucking stupid.

I agree.
I remember JB said it was worth it to trade a young prospect for someone that was more along the way.
But of course, part of the problem is that much of the canucks roster, JB probably knew very little about.
After 1 full season, he probably has a much better understanding of how full the cupboards are. :rukidding:

[dbaz]

With subbam/hutton already in the system forsling/clendenning were expendable. Add to the fact all the other young d we have. Pedan/mceneny/fedun/brisebois/corrado. Too many with 5/6 potential

[slicrick]

Flyers ink Couturier to six-year extension - Article - TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/flyers-ink-couturier-to-six-year-extension-1.337465)

Philly resigns Couturier for 6 years @ 4.33 M per year.

I wonder if this will have any effect on the Sutter extension cause they are fairly similar players in their roles as defensive centers and statistically they were nearly the same last season.

Couturier: 82GP, 15G, 22A, 37PTS, +/- +4, 28 PIMS, ATOI 18:23

Sutter: 80GP, 21G 12A, 33PTS +/- +6 14 PIMS, ATOI 17:19

Couturier is only 22 years old and might have some untapped potential considering he was drafted 8th overall, and did a great job getting under the skin of the Penguins in the 2012 playoffs during that crazy first round series between Philly and Pittsburgh

[68style]

If we pay Sutter anywhere around that kind of money Benning can choke on a dick.

This off season should be kind of fun not caring where we finish next year and looking forward to some fresh air on the team but instead it's been super frustrating to watch and nothing that's been done makes any sense.........

[Spoon]

It's not even August and the fans are ready to riot. :badpokerface:

[Jmac]

If we pay Sutter anywhere around that kind of money Benning can choke on a dick.

This off season should be kind of fun not caring where we finish next year and looking forward to some fresh air on the team but instead it's been super frustrating to watch and nothing that's been done makes any sense.........
We'll pay him the same, if not more, I would imagine. Couturier has 3 RFA years in that new contract.

Couturier was 8th overall, not 4th.

[XplicitLuder]

Inb4 3 years 13m

[punkwax]

^ 13M over 3 is acceptable IMO. Cap is going up, there are worst contracts out there, especially with what bringing him in means to the team overall. He'll push Horvat for 2nd line center, is much more sound defensively than Bonino and his scoring % per shot is very high.

Everyone thinks Benning is overpaying today (and he has in several cases) but by the end of these contracts, relative to the cap, they could be good signings.

Anyway... I've preached patience in this thread for years. Fans now need it more than ever. Don't expect anything next season and hopefully just enjoy watching some youngsters grow into NHL'ers. That's what I'm going to do anyway... Go Nucks.

[UFO]

in the first place I wish we rather had stuck with forsling, after his performance at the world juniors. personally I didn't see the gain in Clendening other then his point shot. Trade a young producing defensemen for an older ahl ready defensemen is fucking stupid.

You know who else did great at the world Jr? Rhymes with schmoho

I don't see the big loss in Clendening either. Of the few of his games I watched, he didn't look like he possessed the potential to crack the top 4, and his game wasnt gritty enough to be a 5/6

[Mike Oxbig]

im ok with everything the canucks do if they are going for lottery pick, while watching our prospect grow

[murd0c]

So Sven Baertschi's one-year deal is worth $900,000, its not that bad of a deal

[SkinnyPupp]

It's not even August and the fans are ready to riot. :badpokerface:
What's better, this or planning the Stanley Cup parade in August? :lawl:

[quasi]

Flyers ink Couturier to six-year extension - Article - TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/flyers-ink-couturier-to-six-year-extension-1.337465)

Philly resigns Couturier for 6 years @ 4.33 M per year.

I wonder if this will have any effect on the Sutter extension cause they are fairly similar players in their roles as defensive centers and statistically they were nearly the same last season.

Couturier: 82GP, 15G, 22A, 37PTS, +/- +4, 28 PIMS, ATOI 18:23

Sutter: 80GP, 21G 12A, 33PTS +/- +6 14 PIMS, ATOI 17:19

Couturier is only 22 years old and might have some untapped potential considering he was drafted 8th overall, and did a great job getting under the skin of the Penguins in the 2012 playoffs during that crazy first round series between Philly and Pittsburgh

Not far off, they are talking 4.4 over 5 years.

[Not really racist!]

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/626869171389919232

http://images.rapgenius.com/3b7502055aae0d55fcd59df0a99425d9.495x275x24.gif

[Spoon]

^
Jamie Benn's salivating over his next contract

[murd0c]

so rumors that Sutter is going to sign a 5 year contract extension for a 4.4mill avg

[6o4__boi]

if that's true, at least towards the end of that contract it'll hopefully be a good deal right
:badpokerface:

[Ch28]

if that's true, at least towards the end of that contract it'll hopefully be a good deal right
:badpokerface:

http://i.imgur.com/lAiePVN.gif

[Ronin]

If he wants 5 years, it should be a cap hit under $4m. If he's okay with 3 years, then $4.4m isn't terrible...but holy shit, really? For a guy that's just...alright?

[Mike Oxbig]

Still dont know why clendenning + 2nd was added... why wasnt it a straight up trade to help PITS cap hit with kessel

our future captain - Quality two-way center with a little upside.
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6053
bonino - Two-way center with some upside.
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6243

[XplicitLuder]

If he wants 5 years, it should be a cap hit under $4m. If he's okay with 3 years, then $4.4m isn't terrible...but holy shit, really? For a guy that's just...alright?

I would say a bonifide 2nd Liner should make 4.5-5.5 , but the market has him pegged around this.. Ie couturier. Don't have a problem much with it personally .. I wish it was less term but whatever only takes him into 31 if they do it.

[dbaz]

too many people looking into advanced stats to determine their take on the deal. has semin not taught you anything?

[murd0c]

So it looks like Sutter will be resigned for that amount later today or this weekend.

[Durrann]

but how do they know if sutter will be a good fit for canucks?
like what if he just straight up sucks
shouldn't we wait..? lol

[SumAznGuy]

Elite Snipers 101 | The Players' Tribune (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/jonathan-quick-kings-snipers/)

Interesting write up from Quick.

[6o4__boi]

hopefully there isn't an NMC or NTC with it
it'd suck if he busts after two years and we're stuck with paying a bottom six that kinda money

it's hard to judge all the moves/decisions that Benning has made without actually seeing the product on ice. (ie. Markstrom/Sutter/Baertschi/Bartkowski). Won't really know until at least January next year.

A Sutter deal like that reminds me of Kesler in a sense. I still remember going wtf when Nonis matched the Philly offer sheet for $1.9M after 10G 13A in 82GP in 05-06.
I was still going wtf when he scored 6G and 10A in 48GP during that contract but that was probably Nonis' smartest move besides fleecing Florida for Luongo.

[Jmac]

Kesler was 21 when he signed that offersheet, though, plus the cap skyrocketed from $39M in '05-'06 to $44M in '06-'07, a whopping 12.8% increase. Equivalent to the cap going up by $9M next season.

[jeedee]

but how do they know if sutter will be a good fit for canucks?
like what if he just straight up sucks
shouldn't we wait..? lol

Cause Benning would look like a massive idiot for making the trade then letting Sutter walk as a UFA after this season

He also did this with Sbisa when his contract was up and for some reason overpaid him for 3.6M :rukidding:

[Not really racist!]

Cause Benning would look like a massive idiot for making the trade then letting Sutter walk as a UFA after this season

He also did this with Sbisa when his contract was up and for some reason overpaid him for 3.6M :rukidding:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/opinion/assets_c/2014/06/benning-jim-140627-thumb-620xauto-371592.jpg

[xeryusx]

Is it the start of the season yet?

[dbaz]

Nope. How bout dem jays

[XplicitLuder]

fuck the jays. Kappa

[AzNightmare]

Elite Snipers 101 | The Players' Tribune (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/jonathan-quick-kings-snipers/)

Interesting write up from Quick.

I love reading these articles... in depth and honest, and from a player's perspective.

[sonick]

Brandon Sutter 5-year contract extension; average annual value of $4.375M

[XplicitLuder]

Who would have seen that one coming Kappa

[highfive]

Vancouver Canucks ‏@VanCanucks 3m3 minutes ago

#Canucks sign Brandon Sutter to 5-year contract extension; average annual value of $4.375M. Canucks sign Sutter to five-year extension - Vancouver Canucks - News (http://ow.ly/QuMbH)

Changes in management office today as well.

[Ch28]

https://twitter.com/VanCanucks/status/628686911830421504

[murd0c]

John Weisbrod Named Assistant GM - Vancouver Canucks - News (http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=776306)

Vancouver, B.C. – Vancouver Canucks President of Hockey Operations, Trevor Linden named John Weisbrod Assistant General Manager today in addition to a number of new and enhanced roles to the Hockey Operations and Human Performance staff.

Weisbrod first joined the Canucks as Vice President, Player Personnel on July 7, 2014. As Assistant General Manager, he will work closely with Jim Benning and Trevor Linden on player personnel decisions, provide strategic direction to the professional and amateur scouting departments and support day-to-day team operations.

Weisbrod served three years as Assistant General Manager of Player Personnel with the Calgary Flames. He was Director of Professional and Collegiate Scouting for the Boston Bruins from 2006 to 2011 and served as a Pro Scout for the Dallas Stars during the 2005-06 season.

A Harvard graduate, Weisbrod was General Manager and Director of Operations for the Albany River Rats winning the Calder Cup in 1993 and 1995. He also served as General Manager of the IHL’s Orlando Solar Bears where he guided the team to a Turner Cup Championship in 2001. Weisbrod was named President and Chief Operating Officer of RDV Sports (Orlando Magic & Solar Bears) in 2000 and became General Manager of the Magic in 2004.

The Hockey Operations department also named Chris Gear Vice President and General Counsel, Vancouver Canucks and Canucks Sports & Entertainment (CS&E). Judd Brackett was named Director of Amateur Scouting, Ryan Johnson was named Assistant Director Player Development and Mike Addesa joins the club as an Amateur Scout. The Human Performance department named Rick Celebrini Director, Rehabilitation and Jon Sanderson as Head Athletic Therapist.

Chris Gear assumes an additional role at CS&E, joining the Hockey Operations team with five years’ experience as Vice President & Legal Counsel. He will work closely with Jonathan Wall, Director of Hockey Operations & Analytics on the legal application of the NHL Collective Bargaining Agreement, salary cap management, player transactions and contracts.

Judd Bracket served seven years as an Amateur Scout in the Canucks organization prior to being named Director of Amateur Scouting. Brackett will oversee the Amateur Scouting staff, leading the department and supporting the player evaluations of regional scouts. Brackett will report to John Weisbrod in his new role.

Ryan Johnson takes on an expanded role as Assistant Director Player Development after two seasons as Player Development Consultant. Johnson played 120 games in a Canucks uniform and 701 career NHL games. He will continue to work with prospects and AHL players in Utica, supporting Head Coach Travis Green and liaise with General Manager, Jim Benning and John Weisbrod on Comets hockey operations.

Mike Addesa joins the Canucks as an amateur scout with prior experience as a NHL Scout, NCAA Head Coach and Atlantic Junior Hockey League franchise owner. As Head Coach at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Addesa guided the 1984-85 team to a NCAA Championship. Addesa will report to Stan Smyl, Senior Advisor to the General Manager & Director, Player Development. Addesa will support amateur scouting in the Quebec region.

Rick Celebrini was recently named Director, Rehabilitation within the club’s Human Performance department after serving as a consultant during the 2014.15 season. Celebrini will oversee medical, therapy and rehabilitation protocols reporting to T.C. Carling, Vice President, Hockey Administration, who oversees the Human Performance department. Celebrini is a founder and the Director of Sport Medicine and Science for the Fortius Institute, and Head of Sports Medicine and Science for the Vancouver Whitecaps FC.

Jon Sanderson was named Head Athletic Therapist of the Human Performance department, bringing 16 seasons and over 1,000 NHL games of experience to the role. Sanderson previously worked for the B.C. Lions of the Canadian Football League and served as a member of the Team Canada medical staff at the Winter Olympic Games in 2006.

[jeedee]

https://twitter.com/VanCanucks/status/628686911830421504

what happened to the reported 4.4M :lol

[Ch28]

what happened to the reported 4.4M :lol

4.375 is pretty much 4.4 million, bro.

http://i.imgur.com/1gnPUgb.jpg

[murd0c]

what happened to the reported 4.4M :lol

Sorry I was wrong :(

[6o4__boi]

Sorry I was wrong :(

http://i.giphy.com/l85di2Fourn9K.gif

[jeedee]

4.375 is pretty much 4.4 million, bro.

http://i.imgur.com/1gnPUgb.jpg

25K in savings!

Benning probably has that saved up for the next Sbisa contract i guess :troll:

[Not really racist!]

Saw this tweet floating around

https://twitter.com/SNstats/status/628695002567323648

Hopefully the guy keeps getting better over the duration of the contract

Market value is market value I guess

[spoon.ek9]

that sounds really bad lol. hope he's worth the money.

[Mike Oxbig]

Maybe hes like Giordano, breaks out in his 30s when he is announced captain similar to andrew ladd

[tonyzoomzoom]

So is Delorme still part of the scouting team?

[XplicitLuder]

ya ^ hes at the games going on in Calgary right now , if i heard correctly

[JesseBlue]

overpayment for sutter...stupid benning and his ass-remarks which drove the price higher. shoulda just been around 4 max, 20 mil total.

fuark. i hate the fact that we are now the laughing stock of the nhl....once glorified, now, laughed at

[ed99]

overpayment for sutter...stupid benning and his ass-remarks which drove the price higher. shoulda just been around 4 max, 20 mil total.

fuark. i hate the fact that we are now the laughing stock of the nhl....once glorified, now, laughed at

Agree. We are paying a 30point player with that kind a money. FailFish

[tarobbt]

25K in savings!

Benning probably has that saved up for the next Sbisa contract i guess :troll:

Cap savings for handing Sutter a NTC :fuckyea:

[murd0c]

Does he have a NTC as well?

[Ch28]

https://twitter.com/SNstats/status/628695002567323648


http://i.imgur.com/bls4QTZ.gif

[tarobbt]

Does he have a NTC as well?

Full NTC for first 3 years.

Partial NTC for the remaining few years.

:facepalm:

Benning could learn a thing or two from Gillis about cap savings

[XplicitLuder]

https://twitter.com/SNstats/status/628695002567323648



Full NTC for first 3 years.



http://www.gifwave.com/media/54384_mind-blown-boom-emotions-know-emotional.gif

altho he hit 40pts in 09-10 :troll:

[Tim Budong]

huehuehue
Go Canucks Go?

hahahah

[Mike Oxbig]

huehuehue
Go Canucks Go?

hahahah

stay in HK until the canucks are in the playoffs bruh :cry:

[Jmac]

Maybe hes like Giordano, breaks out in his 30s when he is announced captain similar to andrew ladd
Andrew Ladd is 29 now and broke out in 2008-2009 ... when he was 23 :suspicious:

[Ch28]

Full NTC for first 3 years.

Partial NTC for the remaining few years.


http://i.imgur.com/mHcARyS.gif

[Nabatron]

Hopefully he pans out and scores more then 40 points this year or else JB and co will get ripped again during the summer summit! Also you gotta look at this it could be a steal of a deal if he puts up points! In Pitt he was behind malkin and crosby now in Van he will be just behind hank plus more playing time on pp/Penalty kill hopefully with all this playing time equals more points!

[rsx]

Yeek. That's a gross signing. I thought he'd get like 2.5 MAX. How the hell did he get 4M+!

[UFO]

You were expecting him to sign for Chris Higgins money, and less than Derrick Dorsett money??!?

[Nabatron]

Because he's making 3.3mill now.....

[68style]

I'm more worried now about his consistent health especially in the western conference... He hasn't exactly been a model for durability in his relatively few years. I feel like we've got a less offensively potent but also less egotistical Kesler on our hands now...... injuries at key times included

[Mike Oxbig]

4.3 mill because he can shut down kopitar / getzlaf/ thorton who are 6'4, dylan strome 6'3

mattias upgrade :derp:

[highfive]

Surprisingly I found a pretty point on cdc.

in 2010, the canucks signed 30 year old manny malhotra to a 3 year contract worth $2.5 m per year. this accounted for 4.2% of the $59.4 m salary cap. malhotra was coming off a career high 14 goal season (no prior season in his 12 or so season career had he eclipsed 11 goals, and has not again since).
brandon sutter is 26 year old (4 years younger), has scored more than 20 goals twice and 17 goals once, may have untapped offensive capabilities, and brings many of the same defensive and intangible qualities that malhotra did. $4.4 m is 6.16% of the $71.4 m salary cap.
hardly seems unreasonable to me.

Based on percentages of the salary cap, it doesn't seem as bad though.

[mickz]

Surprisingly I found a pretty point on cdc.



Based on percentages of the salary cap, it doesn't seem as bad though.

Two different players though. Manny was there to take the big faceoffs, PK and provide leadership. It wouldn't be fair to compare his point totals alone to salary. On the other hand people are expecting Sutter to score 40 and be the next Ryan Kesler.

[Expresso]

Two different players though. Manny was there to take the big faceoffs, PK and provide leadership. It wouldn't be fair to compare his point totals alone to salary. On the other hand people are expecting Sutter to score 40 and be the next Ryan Kesler.

Most people here are not expecting him to be the next Kesler. Most of these recent irrational comments are from noobs.

[fsy82]

We got a cheaper younger version of Kesler. His offensive output will be determined by the role hes given by coaches.

[Mike Oxbig]

We got a cheaper younger version of Luongo. Markstrom 6'6 frame output will be determined by the oppurtunity hes given by coaches.

[slicrick]

4.375 might not be bargain for Sutter right now, but in a few years depending on his performance and where the salary cap is at it could actually be decent in the later years of his contract. I just don't like the NTC, I thought the Canucks management group would have learnt not to hand them out like candy after what Gillis did.

[SumAznGuy]

We got a cheaper younger version of Luongo. Markstrom 6'6 frame output will be determined by the oppurtunity hes given by coaches.

Does that mean in a few years we'll trade Markstrom back to Florida while maintaining some of his salary?

[Mike Oxbig]

Does that mean in a few years we'll trade Markstrom back to Florida while maintaining some of his salary?

Well we have demko who is in boston college same route cory took... maybe we will go through another goalie controversy :whistle:

[radioman]

I dont mind a NTC on a guy like Sutter. Especially the reported 3 year into L-NTC or w/e

Now a NTC on a pair of 3rd line winger making 2.5 mil is a different story.

[Jmac]

Malhotra was the best faceoff man in the league, routinely in the 60% area, and one of the best shutdown centres in the league.

Sutter has averaged 49.9% in the circle the past 3 seasons and is a good, but not great, shutdown centre. Offense is better, but not that much better.

[Eastwood]

Over half our team has NTCs. Even if we wanted to rebuild we couldn't...

[Jmac]

Over half our team has NTCs. Even if we wanted to rebuild we couldn't...
Sutter doesn't have an NTC until July 1, 2016.

[6o4__boi]

Sutter doesn't have an NTC until July 1, 2016.

translation: Sutter might be a late first round/early 2nd round in March depending on his play and the Canucks season.

[UFO]

Over half our team has NTCs. Even if we wanted to rebuild we couldn't...

Ntc doesn't mean you can't move players. I thought we'd understand that by now. What player wants to keep playing for a team that doesn't really want them around?

[pastarocket]

Dim Jim Benning as a GM definitely has his "strengths" and weaknesses.

Strengths: A keen eye for drafting talented players to change the identity of the Canucks

Weaknesses: Questionable ability in making trades for players. Terrible negotiation skills when it comes to signing players, current player on roster or new players acquired by trade, to contract extensions. -gives out NTCs like
Halloween candy to players. Trick or treat!

Case in point, Sbisa and now Sutter. :fuckthatshit:

[murd0c]

Dim Jim Benning as a GM definitely has his "strengths" and weaknesses.

Strengths: A keen eye for drafting talented players to change the identity of the Canucks

Weaknesses: Questionable ability in making trades for players. Terrible negotiation skills when it comes to signing players, current player on roster or new players acquired by trade, to contract extensions. -gives out NTCs like
Halloween candy to players. Trick or treat!

Case in point, Sbisa and now Sutter. :fuckthatshit:

http://i.imgur.com/3Fm4yIC.jpg

[UFO]

Strengths: A keen eye for drafting talented players to change the identity of the Canucks


Who has he drafted with his keen eye that we know will change the identity of the Canucks? Until his picks pan or start looking like they will pan out, we can't assume based on his previous track record which I would say is maybe a bit better than avg.

Horvat, Cassels, even Subban were all drafted by Gillis and co. Yeah MG gave away lots of picks, but that's what happens when you throw it all up in the air and go for it

[6o4__boi]

JB Strengths - seems to have that special ability to fast track tanking without making it seem like tanking

Just read on the province that McCann may have gotten a concussion. Poor kid can't get a break, hopefully it's nothing serious and that he'll be 100% for training camp

[jeedee]

He hasn't exactly been a model for durability in his relatively few years.

You do know Sutters only missed a whopping grand total of 3 games in the last 5 seasons right?

That seems pretty durable to me :lol

[Spoon]

Full NTC for first 3 years.

Partial NTC for the remaining few years.

:facepalm:


Where do you think that $25k/yr savings came from :troll:

[Jmac]

Dim Jim Benning as a GM definitely has his "strengths" and weaknesses.

Strengths: A keen eye for drafting talented players to change the identity of the Canucks

Weaknesses: Questionable ability in making trades for players. Terrible negotiation skills when it comes to signing players, current player on roster or new players acquired by trade, to contract extensions. -gives out NTCs like
Halloween candy to players. Trick or treat!

Case in point, Sbisa and now Sutter. :fuckthatshit:
Well, if you were trying to convince me that Jim Benning should be Director of Amateur Scouting, you have succeeded. Unfortunately, that's not his job.

Benning is giving Willie the team he wants. A team filled with hard-working individuals. That's what we saw last year; it didn't matter how many times you screwed up (Sbisa), if you tried your best, you got ice time. If you slacked off (Kassian), you got stapled to the bench or put in the press box.

All of Benning's acquisitions this offseason work their asses off, though are definitely less talented offensively and higher paid than the outgoing players.

The major drawback to this strategy is we've been a team that's lacked secondary scoring for all but a few years ('08-'09 through '10-'11) since the lockout and now we're heading in the opposite direction with our leading offensive players turning 35 before the season starts.

If you look at offensive production over the past 3 seasons (minimum 82 games played):

1st line (top 90) production:
H. Sedin - 0.833 p/g (24th), $7M (19th)
D. Sedin - 0.802 p/g (33rd), $7M (19th)
Vrbata - 0.734 p/g (52nd), $5M (66th)

2nd line (top 180) production:
None

3rd line (top 270) production:
Higgins - 0.447 p/g (196th), $2.5M (182nd)
Burrows - 0.445 p/g (198th), $4.5M (86th)
Hansen - 0.402 p/g (230th), $2.5M (182nd)
Sutter - 0.372 p/g (247th), $3.3M (148th)

4th line (top 360) production:
Vey - 0.309 p/g (285th), $1M (268th)
Prust - 0.259 p/g (321st), $2.5M (182nd)
Dorsett - 0.227 p/g (343rd), $2.65M (177th)

Now, if you transpose that:

1st line (top 90) cap hit:
D. Sedin - $7M (19th), 1st line production
H. Sedin - $7M (19th), 1st line production
Vrbata - $5M (66th), 1st line production
Burrows - $4.5M (86th), 3rd line production

2nd line (top 180) cap hit:
Sutter - $3.3M (148th), 3rd line production
Dorsett - $2.65M (177th), 4th line production

3rd line (top 270) cap hit:
Hansen - $2.5M (182nd), 3rd line production
Higgins - $2.5M (182nd), 3rd line production
Prust - $2.5M (182nd), 4th line production
Vey - $1M (268th), 4th line production

4th line (top 360) cap hit:
None

So Vrbata is the lone player whose performance is exceeding his salary. The Sedins, if you take out the Tortorella season, are in that category as well.

Higgins and Vey have pay grades that are pretty close to their offensive performance over the past few years. Hansen has middle of the road 3rd line production with higher-end 3rd line pay. Not outrageous.

Now, the guys who are pretty clearly not living up to their salaries are Burrows, Sutter (and, unless he starts trending up real fast, it's going to get a lot worse with a 33% pay increase coming), Dorsett, and Prust. 3 of these 4 are Benning acquisitions/signings and, as for Burrows, the Tortorella season brought him down much like the Sedins (though he's still definitely overpaid even when you consider the other 2 seasons).

Now, look at our outgoing players:

Bonino - 0.566 p/g (125th), $1.9M (210th)
Kassian - 0.354 p/g (255th), $1.75M (222nd)
Matthias - 0.349 p/g (260th), $2.3M (193rd)
Richardson - 0.340 p/g (270th), $2.083M (200th)

Bonino produced at an average 2nd liner pace while being paid as an above-average 3rd liner. His replacement, Sutter, produced at a below-average pace for a 3rd liner while being paid as an average 2nd liner.

Kassian produced at a below-average 3rd liner pace while being paid as an average 3rd liner. His replacement, Prust, produced at an average 4th liner pace while being paid as an above-average 3rd liner.

Offensively, we definitely took a step backwards with those trades while also giving up draft picks. We improved in other areas, though. But if the Sedins get shut down, we're even more fucked than we used to be unless Horvat and Baertschi are able to provide that secondary punch, but I'm not holding my breath.

Matthias and Richardson have no direct replacements, but I have no problem letting either of them go given the contracts they got. I'll miss Richardson, though, as his PK abilities were top notch and his points/minute were also very respectable, making the most of his ice time. That said, given his injury-plagued year and desire for a multi-year, multimillion dollar contract, no thanks.

Who has he drafted with his keen eye that we know will change the identity of the Canucks? Until his picks pan or start looking like they will pan out, we can't assume based on his previous track record which I would say is maybe a bit better than avg.

Horvat, Cassels, even Subban were all drafted by Gillis and co. Yeah MG gave away lots of picks, but that's what happens when you throw it all up in the air and go for it
Exactly, draft record is still unproven at this point.

[pastarocket]

That's a good analysis of our team, Jmac.

-hoping that Benning, Linden, and the rest of management can rebuild this team properly so that this team becomes a championship contender again.

#Rebuild #Reload

[7seven]

Patty Kane subject of police investigation, one Buffalo reporter is saying its a rape investigation

Report: Patrick Kane the subject of a police investigation (Updated) | ProHockeyTalk (http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/06/report-patrick-kane-the-subject-of-a-police-investigation/)

Report: Patrick Kane the subject of a police investigation (Updated)
Jason Brough Aug 6, 2015, 9:14 AM EDT

Patrick Kane
AP
From the Buffalo News:

Hamburg police are investigating an incident reportedly involving Patrick Kane, the Chicago Blackhawks star, two sources with knowledge of the probe have told The Buffalo News.

Two sources said Hamburg police officials have forbidden their officers and detectives from publicly discussing the investigation.

“We can neither confirm nor deny the existence or nonexistence of a criminal investigation until such a time as a person is charged with a crime,” said Hamburg Police Chief Gregory G. Wickett.

It’s all extremely vague at the moment, as nobody has gone on the record with any details.

A Blackhawks spokesman did not respond to a request for comment from the Chicago Sun-Times.

Kane, of course, has a history of off-ice incidents, the most serious being an altercation with a Buffalo cab driver in 2009.

Hamburg is a town just south of Buffalo.

Update:

WKBW is reporting that there was an alleged “incident” between Kane and “a woman that began at a bar in Evans.”

Evans is also a town just south of Buffalo.

Update:

From Tim Graham of the Buffalo News:
https://twitter.com/ByTimGraham/status/629311801130373120

[pastarocket]

Patrick Kane is in trouble again? His gf isn't gonna be happy with this investigation if it is related to raping a woman.

First, he and his cousin assault a cab driver, and not pay their cab fare back in '09. Now he is under police investigation. :heckno:

This Kane is just as bad as Evander Kane. :lawl:

#longoffseason

[7seven]

Kane also got into some trouble in Madison WI a few years back during a drunken bender it was alleged he choked a woman

[Tim Budong]

Kane gets his day with the cup this weekend
looks like he gonna have to reschedule

and i thought this dude smartened the fuck up already too

[Hondaracer]

I'd suck Kane's D for a mill

[Mike Oxbig]

doubt its true. all these american women nowadays calls for an rape assualt only after they find out the man is some sorta national hero

[Infiniti]

I'd suck Kane's D for a mill

http://i.giphy.com/sMq6hae9VlqCs.gif

[Ch28]

I'd suck Kane's D for a mill

http://i.imgur.com/nhILvgZ.gif

[jeedee]

I'd suck Kane's D for a mill

i guess it's not rape if Hondaracer agrees to it :troll:

[spideyv2]

doubt its true. all these american women nowadays calls for an rape assualt only after they find out the man is some sorta national hero

strong username to post content

[punkwax]

ITT we learn Hondaracer's price.

[Ronin]

I'd suck Kane's D for a mill

...I don't remember anyone...asking you to... :heckno:

[dbaz]

3rd line (top 270) production:
Higgins - 0.447 p/g (196th), $2.5M (182nd)
Burrows - 0.445 p/g (198th), $4.5M (86th)
Hansen - 0.402 p/g (230th), $2.5M (182nd)
Sutter - 0.372 p/g (247th), $3.3M (148th)


While I see this as a simple analysis it still does not really show everything. You can easily argue that burrows is still top 6 without the torts year where he was played on the 3rd and 4th line a lot, and away from the sedins. the simple fact is vrbata is a top 6 player if he plays away from the sedins, while burrows is only one if he plays with them.

[Mike Oxbig]

sedin makes anyone a top 6 forward...if they cant put up goals with sedins, they should be in the ECHL

thats why nazzy was not resigned lol

[dbaz]

wish that was true, poor hansen. more about a style of play that clicks with them

[Jmac]

While I see this as a simple analysis it still does not really show everything. You can easily argue that burrows is still top 6 without the torts year where he was played on the 3rd and 4th line a lot, and away from the sedins. the simple fact is vrbata is a top 6 player if he plays away from the sedins, while burrows is only one if he plays with them.
It is a pretty simple analysis and Torts brought his numbers down without a doubt.

He averaged 0.508 p/g when you take out the Torts season. I don't have time to look up where that ranks, but I assume it's top 180.

[spoon.ek9]

fuckin lol :lol

the type of shit you read in here sometimes hahaha....

[XplicitLuder]

beats your comments, specially when you dont add any fuel to the fire, or start a new one :troll:

[xeryusx]

NHL Links (http://xrxs.net/nhl/)

make your offseason short :D

[highfive]

Stoll signed with the Rangers. I guess the Rangers are pretty high on him...

[Tim Budong]

Stoll signed with the Rangers. I guess the Rangers are pretty high on him...

http://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpuDlPJP9k5NHdC/giphy.gif

and then heres a good read
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/pascal-dupuis-penguins-comeback/

[Jmac]

Shit's about to get real

https://twitter.com/nhlpa/status/630772977416732672

[Spoon]

^
About fucking time they did something. Let the drama unroll

[pastarocket]

Let's look at the lighter side of NHL players.

Kris Versteeg and Jason Demeers perform an "underwear dance routine" at
Setoguchi's wedding reception.

They should definitely stick with their day jobs. :lawl:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=37&v=6ApYcjRIcnc