red_sir | 03-07-2013 11:09 AM | Quote:
Originally Posted by Sushi604
(Post 8178625)
I don't think any of what I said was broscience in anyway. Not everyone is genetically gifted as you or possibly lucky as you to not have been dealt a serious blow such as a rotator cuff injury. Unfortunately I've been dealt that fate (due to car accident, not in the gym) but it doesn't stop me from using the benchpress from time to time. The difference here is when my right shoulder starts buckling when the bar gets closer and closer to my chest should I still keep going down til the bar touches my chest? No. Maybe there might be some broscience in regards to overstreching the chest, but there is no denying the fact that there was overstreching in my shoulders. Maybe my pre-existing injury is holding me back from reaching my max potential?
Don't get me wrong. You should always use a full range of motion when you perform any exercise but there are limits, at least physically speaking. It is not necessarily going as far as you can go; it’s as far as you can go in good form, with adequate strength and stability in the joints. | Sorry, but pretty much all of what you said is broscience. Talking about dumbbell pressing working your core and bench press over stretching your chest is broscience to the max.
If you don't have the mobility for a specific exercise like the bench press you can work on it instead of whining and making excuses and writing the exercise off completely. Many of us work on our mobility and do prehab exercises for bench pressing the same way we do for squats/deadlifts. Sure, maybe with your injury you'll never be able to bench press safely. So what? That doesn't make bench pressing a bad exercise for the rest of us that have no problems. Don't speak for everyone else. Quote:
False sense of strength? So your saying that if your able to bench 405 effortlessly, you should be able to lift 2 200lbs dumbbells effortlessly too right? The bar stabilizes the weight across both arms. Hence the false sense of strength.
| Maybe YOU were foolish enough to believe you could dumbbell press what you barbell press, but nobody else said/implied that. Quote:
Sure your chest is doing most of the work but your triceps is what gets that weight off your chest and as Alpha v2 said,
| It's a compound exercise, what do you expect? If you don't want to use triceps go do flies on the pec deck. Even your precious dumbbell bench will hit your triceps hard. Quote:
By your logic, since I can bench 185 atm, I should have been able to dumbbell press at least 85lbs by now. I currently struggle with 75lbs WITH a shoulder injury.
| That is not anyone's logic except your own. You're the one that came up with this 1:1 ratio for bench and dumbbells. 185 bench is still weak and will not get you dumbbell pressing 85's. Quote:
I even corrected myself in that post stating that you should move back to the bench press once you master 100lbs dumbbells,
| Lol! I guess Sid and I fucked up. Our dumbasses completely did things out of order. We almost always barbell bench, but we've already mastered the 100lb dumbbells. What do we do now? Is it too late for us to ever use dumbbells again? Seriously though, maybe you should try barbell bench if you want to master the 100lb dumbbells too. But fyi, you will have to bench more than 200lbs. Quote:
What's so wrong with mastering overall upper body strength and then moving back to the benchpress for strength work?
| You haven't mastered shit even if you can do 100lb dumbbells. |