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Old 03-11-2014, 03:23 PM   #301
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You can't visit the flightdeck during a flight even if you're a 5 year old that wants to say hi to the pilot so the chances of some randoms getting access to the flightdeck are slim to none. Now if it was a hostage situation and someone had say a knife to a flight crew or passengers neck, the pilots would have radioed for help, asked ATC for the nearest airport to land and still have not opened the door.

The other possible scenario might be is the plane lost all flight controls including backups and the pilots were trying to follow the coastline back to the mainland essentially doing a VFR flight but at night. Flying over large body of water at night will get you disoriented fast without any feedback for altitude and speed. There's so many scenario's if it was indeed a technical problem that brought this plane down.
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Just to ease the tension here a bit
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I see no reason to shoot down a jet that's not communicating over open water. If there's no immediate danger to anyone (like a city or populated area) then why not try to keep communicating until such time that there is a risk to someone? If they refuse to change course or acknowledge and they're getting close to a populated area, then shoot them down at the last minute. In which case the chance it was visible to someone would go way up.
Agree. Not to mention that I'm sure the kill authority would have to come from very high up and those higher ups would have to think of the possible ramifications of needlessly killing a couple hundred citizens of your continent's largest and most-well armed country.
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Yah posting videos of plane crashes in a plane crash thread really eases tension
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But honestly, it looks more like just two ships side to side...
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If they have so many satellites watching, why can't we see the airplane in highdef under all the clouds on googlemaps?
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This sort of changes the fantasy idea that the US has so much secret tech that we don't know about. I actually thought the US military would have some super satellite recording where they could track the plane from take off to wherever it went. Or that they would have some kind of eye on everything in the sky.

Or maybe they do, and just haven't released it to the public yet.

Or maybe they do, but haven't released it because shenanigans. #tinfoilhat
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But honestly, it looks more like just two ships side to side...
why would there be two ships side by side?
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This sort of changes the fantasy idea that the US has so much secret tech that we don't know about. I actually thought the US military would have some super satellite recording where they could track the plane from take off to wherever it went. Or that they would have some kind of eye on everything in the sky.

Or maybe they do, and just haven't released it to the public yet.

Or maybe they do, but haven't released it because shenanigans. #tinfoilhat
They do have high powered imaging satellites that we've seen some imagery from already when the US made their case against Iraq/Afghanistan/North Korea/Iran and the imagery is rumored to be even more capable than what is shown to the public

But obviously they have to aim it at the area to use it which is what I was wondering before, are they willing to use those satellites to search for the airliner? or do they find those resources better utilized where they currently are?

There was also tech showcased last year that the US govt was planning/implementing that would be an 'eye in the sky' that recorded certain regions and if anything ever happened there the govt. could just playback the high resolution video (there was a thread/post in RS about this too I believe)

But I doubt the US had that region under surveillance? or if the tech is even in place (who knows)
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US Navy Resupply ship? Watched a Nat Geo documentary on it. They're basically side by side on the open water sending things across via cranes and cables
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But honestly, it looks more like just two ships side to side...
the gulf of thailand is very shallow...like 50m
so it might be possible to see a plane submerged even from the sky
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But honestly, it looks more like just two ships side to side...

The scale doesn't look quite right too
cabin width of a triple is something like 6m, if the scale on the map is true then the object in the picture has a width of more like 10

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That under the clouds high def stuff is aerial photography
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The thing I don't understand is why you would allow a pilot to override the transmitter beacon? That should be something that shouldn't be able to be turned off, like the blackbox recording.
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Refueling? There's lots of reasons.

Someone matched it with another satellite pic at 2:59am..pretty sure it's a boat.
Like Amuro Ray mentioned, the scale and width of it doesn't match a 777 either.

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They do have high powered imaging satellites that we've seen some imagery from already when the US made their case against Iraq/Afghanistan/North Korea/Iran and the imagery is rumored to be even more capable than what is shown to the public

But obviously they have to aim it at the area to use it which is what I was wondering before, are they willing to use those satellites to search for the airliner? or do they find those resources better utilized where they currently are?

There was also tech showcased last year that the US govt was planning/implementing that would be an 'eye in the sky' that recorded certain regions and if anything ever happened there the govt. could just playback the high resolution video (there was a thread/post in RS about this too I believe)

But I doubt the US had that region under surveillance? or if the tech is even in place (who knows)
I always dreamed they had a satellite system with uber-mega-giggle pixel cameras with a pair of them HD vision glasses over the lens to record anything anywhere all the time.
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The thing I don't understand is why you would allow a pilot to override the transmitter beacon? That should be something that shouldn't be able to be turned off, like the blackbox recording.
... which transmitter beacon?
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Depending on where it gets shot down though. If it's over the middle of Malaysia, maybe no one.



For reference, Kuala Lumpur is the heavily populated purple zone on West side of the Malaysian peninsula on the left.

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Wasn't it already west of Malaysia when the military picked it up? Assuming it really was there, and still heading that direction from the last civilian contact, it was going out over what looks to be a very sparsely populated part of Indonesia and then nothing but ocean. If it crashed into that part of Indonesia chances are nobody saw it and it could get sucked up by the jungle like Soundy originally mentioned.

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That's assuming they were able to contact the plane. If the plane was highjacked without the pilots contacting anyone, but the military was able to contact them then shooting them down makes little sense. If the systems got screwed up all the military would see is a big plane, nowhere near a designated flight path, that won't respond to attempted contact (it's also the middle of the night).

IMO these are the best scenarios right now:
1) Plane highjacked and rerouted, either shot down OR crashed (highjackers could have been planning to attack Kuala Lumpur from the ocean side to avoid detection, passengers fight back resulting in a crash. Or the highjackers were bad pilots?)

edit: And who is to say one (or both?) of the pilots couldn't have highjacked the plane? That would explain them going silent and knowing which systems to shut off.

2) Electrical systems error, pilots attempt to do a 180 but don't get it right, end up flying off into nowhere and crash/run out of fuel OR military sees it not responding, panics and shoots it down
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You can't visit the flightdeck during a flight even if you're a 5 year old that wants to say hi to the pilot so the chances of some randoms getting access to the flightdeck are slim to none. Now if it was a hostage situation and someone had say a knife to a flight crew or passengers neck, the pilots would have radioed for help, asked ATC for the nearest airport to land and still have not opened the door.
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