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Originally Posted by Expresso (Post 8940585)

Aquaman isn't as vocal but he sure isn't doing any favors in getting this team rebuilt. We are year 5 in the 'rebuild', do you feel we are even close?

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Originally Posted by Infiniti (Post 8940590)

Apparently there are a number of teams calling on Cody Ceci, which begs the question: Why isn't GMJB actively trying to shop Gudbranson!?Get something for him damnit!

Time and again, GMJB finds himself behind the curve. Could've moved Tanev a year or two ago when he was worth a lot. Instead, still have Tanev who is injury prone and looking slow. Same thing with the whole Hamhuis situation...

So, to your question about feeling closer; We have taken a couple steps forward but in reality the team is far far away from even remotely being close to competitive in the playoffs. This rebuild is taking a lot longer than expected and I attribute that to this "half-assed" approach of not embracing a full on aggressive rebuild by weaponizing cap space, and trading away assets for picks when possible.

As mentioned, we're 5 years into the rebuild and here's the kicker:

Our top 2 dmen are, without a doubt, players from the Gillis era (Edler, Tanev). 3 of our top 4 dmen are players from the Gillis era (depending on whether or not you rank Hutton ahead of Stecher).

The dmen that Benning & Co. have brought in are:

Stecher, Troy
Sbisa, Luca
Gudbranson, Erik
Pouliot, Derrick
Del Zotto, Michael
Bartkowski, Matt
Tryamkin, Nikita
Larsen, Philip
Clendening, Adam
Pedan, Andrey
Sautner, Ashton
Fedun, Taylor
Brisebois, Guillaume
Holm, Philip

The list of Gillis-era dmen inherited by Benning:

Edler, Alexander
Tanev, Christopher
Hutton, Ben
Hamhuis, Dan
Biega, Alex
Weber, Yannick
Bieksa, Kevin
Stanton, Ryan
Corrado, Frank
McEneny, Evan
Garrison, Jason

Like, it's actually nuts to think a top 6 of Gillis dmen 5 years removed and most of them well into their 30s is easily better than the top 6 of 14 Benning acquisitions on the back end.

Aside from Stecher and Tryamkin, every Benning dman has been awful.

Tryamkin-Stecher
Sbisa-Gudbranson
Del Zotto-Clendening

vs.

Edler-Tanev
Hutton-Weber
Hamhuis-Biega

Which begs the question: how bad is this team if Benning had traded Edler, Tanev, and Hutton last year like many were clamouring for last season? I truly believe it would be absolutely unwatchable.

Update: Canucks w/ and w/o Edler
w/ Edler: 20-14-4 (95-point pace)
w/o Edler: 6-14-4 (55-point pace)

Bring on Jack Hughes, baybeee

Guddy for Tanner Pearson

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Originally Posted by xxxrsxxx (Post 8940659)

Gudbranson possible trade to Pits

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie?r...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

For Tanner Pearson supposedly.

Pens can't win em all

Yesss, successful TDL for GMJB if that's all he does.

Jonathan Dahlen is gone (to the sharks for Linus Karlsson), but I wish he could've had a chance to play with Petey.

I'll hold my arm chair GM comments because really I don't know shit about who Linus Karlsson is and as for Dahlen I would have loved to see him play, there was always some hype about him being a potential scorer for us and in the AHL after a slow start he was really heating up points wise. With that said, no idea how the rest of his game was so we'll see.

On the other hand I'm so glad we got rid of Gudy. He can't play D, he can't provide offence, he's a big guy and has some leadership apparently which is great but can we not find someone who can't play hockey who's big and has some leadership for cheaper?

haha at least he's honest.

@TSN1040
Gudbranson on time in Vancouver: Honestly, I'm not too proud of it. I don't think I played very well. I worked hard every single day, came to the rink and tried to get it together.

per Botchford:

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I do think the Canucks have been concerned about Dahlen’s focus and commitment and the team was disappointed with how he showed in training camp because of fitness issues.

But this isn’t just a fitness level thing like it was for Hutton and Juolevi.

I used to hear similar things about Hunter Shinkaruk.

So it doesn’t surprise me the Canucks are exploring the possibility of selling off their Dahlen shares.

I know a lot of people are going to say the Canucks would be selling low, but Dahlen still has pedigree and it will really erode if he doesn’t take a step up in production next season.

Dahlen and another asset could bring in something valuable.

I’m not against the idea of trading him if you can find the right return but I’d lean toward working with him here. He’s shown more than enough already playing on a line in Sweden with Pettersson that it’s worth exploring in the NHL.

Karlsson D+1 in Allsvenskan: 17 points in 48 games
Dahlen D+1 in Allsvenskan: 44 points in 45 games

Dahlen has really looked bad 5v5 in the AHL though. He relies on PP to get his goals. Very slow footspeed at all, and doesn't seem motivated.

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Originally Posted by Jmac (Post 8940674)

Karlsson D+1 in Allsvenskan: 17 points in 48 games
Dahlen D+1 in Allsvenskan: 44 points in 45 games

Damn..i don't follow much but is that when him and pettersson played together?

either way.. we'll just have to trust Benning on this one.. he has been pretty good with our drafting/scouting haha.. afterall, we got this one for Burrows :P

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Originally Posted by Acurapinoy (Post 8940679)

Yes

Pettersson had 41 in 43 that year (draft year)

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Originally Posted by roastpuff (Post 8940676)

Dahlen has really looked bad 5v5 in the AHL though. He relies on PP to get his goals. Very slow footspeed at all, and doesn't seem motivated.

Literally every prospect except Juolevi and MacEwen has struggled under Cull. Palmu bailed for Europe, Dahlen asked for a trade. Doesn’t seem to be the relatively-prosperous environment that it was under Green.

Why can’t we get a draft pick for Guddy... man do we really need any more of these 3rd or 4th line wingers?!?! We have like 3 teams worth of these type of guys.

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 8940687)

Why can’t we get a draft pick for Guddy... man do we really need any more of these 3rd or 4th line wingers?!?! We have like 3 teams worth of these type of guys.

Because of his cap hit and mainly his -27:badpokerface:

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 8940687)

Why can’t we get a draft pick for Guddy... man do we really need any more of these 3rd or 4th line wingers?!?! We have like 3 teams worth of these type of guys.

Just be thankful he's gone!

I'm surprised we're able to unload Guddy and not be a lower round pick.

Pearson might get us more down the road if he end up getting traded.

Dahlen was disappointing that he wanted out. Like wtf happened to cole cassels, still remember linden's season ticketholder event responding to what are we going to do when we face mcdavid, he goes we have cole cassels. lol

With Gudbrandson out, I have a feeling Benning is going to try to sign Myers this summer. He's another player Benning got a hard on for.

Cassels had his career derailed by injuries.

Re: Dahlen trade

can someone do a 'where are they now' with all of the controversial moves JB has made? it seems like alot of the guys that fans talked about like we're talking about dahlen right now, ended up as busts or we're ahead in the deal now.

Let’s just all be happy JB got us Petey,Brock,Hughes,Demko,Virtanen,Juolevi,Dipietro pool
and was able to trade burrows for any prospect haha. Now can we land Jack Hughes somehow lol

woo! finally a good, regulation win. can't believe that's our first shutout of the season...?