Lol dude. Quote anywhere that I said don't do basic precautions. I said to not make it overblown to more than what it is. Fear leads to disproportionate actions which is what we're seeing today with bucketheads etc. All the people who are calling me selfish probably didn't get their yearly flu vaccine to protect others.

Some people are making claims that the CDC and WHO are taking it too lightly by not telling people to wear masks and avoid travel, gatherings etc. I am saying none of those measures are evidence based and only fear mongering by honestly people who dont know shit and just regurgitate what they read on facebook.

Hand sanitizer is close to non existence right now. So scratch that out. Also employers should enforce the policy that sick employees should not go in to work when sick. I don't see that happening at all. At least Uber is stepping up and paying their drivers while on 14 day quarantine if they get sick on the job.

By the way, let me tell you a true story, there are ppl that I know who came from outbreak countries to Canada for a funeral 2 weeks ago. The border guards told them to self isolate only if they have symptoms, but some ppl can be a carrier of the virus and be asymptomatic during the incubation period. The next day they went all over crystal mall, dimsum places and the funeral. And as of today, nothing has changed. Gov are still letting people in from outbreak countries without mandatory isolation. At most they will tell you to self isolate for 14 days after arrival, but if you are on vacation, u wouldn't want to spend the whole vacation in isolation right? So what do people do? Disregard the information and just go out and possibly spread the virus to Canadian residents. So much for "slowing" down the pandemic. It's not a matter of IF, it is now a matter of WHEN. And at this rate Bonnie and Justin are only speeding up the process, so It's going to be SOON.

If there was some sort of gate keeping, or some sort of reassurance through action rather than repeated words like "situation in b.c stable" or "remains low risk", I bet you less people would be panicking /worried. But the 6 new cases yesterday at senior home just proved people should be worried. They allowed people back from cruise ship in Cali & Iran without quarantine.

The weird thing to me is the sheer resistance to accept that this is may be a serious matter. As in, maybe you won't die if you get it, but it's a legitimate thing to be concerned about. Instead, they have to compare it to the flu, or non-sequiturs like STDs and heart disease. Or car accidents, lottery winning, or meteor strikes. It's like burying your head in the sand and hope there's enough people that are active enough to prevent them from being seriously damaged.

Sure, make fun of the bucket heads and toilet paper hoarders. But don't just laugh off the entire thing. Like what is even the point if their opinion ends up being "right" and thousands (or millions) don't die, and the damage is only a crashed economy. Congratulations?

to all those who thinks this virus is not a big deal

would you send your aging parents/family to iran/italy/an infected cruise ship/senior home right now?

There's a conspiracy going around that this virus was man-made for Hong Kong protester but leaked and contaminated its own people in China.

First of all, what kind of a question is that? Iran is a shithole, Italy is on lockdown, an infected cruise ship/senior home is a high risk area because you're stuck in the same area 24/7 with KNOWN INFECTED CASES.

Hell if Italy wasnt on lockdown I'd bring my whole family if you pay the expenses.

In other words, once the shit hits the fan, THEN you're worried about it. The only difference between Italy and Canada is that it happened in Italy first.

I wouldn't send them to those places without a virus. Especially cruise ships, you need to be some kinda special to get onto one of those floating environmental disasters packed with thousands of old, fat white people.

What’s the point of arguing this crap.

Over reacting, Ie hoarding the shit out of supplies to last half a year is stupid. But dismissing this virus as a non factor is also stupid. Just be cautions but not extremist in your approach and it’s the best thing for your families.

They being said, I couldn’t help think that going to pacific center yesterday wasn’t the best choice in this situation.

Right, that's why I'm done arguing about it. It's like arguing with a climate change denier. What is the point? If they're not going to believe it, then they're not. Just hope there's not enough of them to cause serious harm to the rest of us.

Unfortunately with climate change deniers, it's the billionaires who don't believe it due to the inconvenience, and CAN cause that much harm WutFace

Everyone hoarding tp should just invest in a bidet

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Sorry you're right. The people who are panicking should go treat the coronavirus patients. I should be more careful and refuse to treat patients even with a mask on because I'm gonna get infected and kill my parents.

This type of selfish behaviour is exactly what causes breakdown in society. I have coworkers who refuse to counsel patients on how to properly use inhalers because they're afraid asthma or COPD patients have coronavirus. But hey, better they die of asthma than me getting infected WutFace

I was in Blaine yesterday, apparently there's a Nation wide shortage.



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the argument is not much different than the system that deems it safe to release repeat sex criminals

if it's low risk would you invite them to stay over with your kids/wife?

bolded part in the two quotes is a bit ironic, no?

i dont know where you're trained but the onus of disease is not on the provider

if the masks/gloves runs out and my workplace is no longer safe, i'm walking out

sorry if some medical personnel put their families above the at-risk/their work but i'm sure someone will give you a trophy for being noble

Not going to argue about the virus potential as we are all entitled to our own opinion. I'd leave at that, agree to disagree.

However, even though I think the panic of hoarding on supplies is dumb and not a way to do this. I have said it before, but here it is again, we should stock up at home for the worst case scenario... not just epidemics, but other events such as quakes and whatnot. 2wks would be what I consider normal and extend to a month if you are more risk averse like my wife.

Given our shopping habits and our food distribution infrastructure, most people are used to always shop with at least a week worth of food already anyway. Why not go a tad bit extra, say another week worth of food plus basic supplies such as clean water, toilet papers (seems to be the hot item, I thought I'd throw in here. :D), first aids, basic OTC drugs and SANITIZING items. (this last component is important for one's general hygiene anyway... with 2 kids, I carry a lot of cleaning stuff because school is like a breeding bed for virus/bacterias spread).

In short, we are not looking for any major changes, just GET INTO A HABIT of a GOOD hygiene practice and be prepared for anything; something we can see that many people are lacking... hence the panic.

You can blow your nose with a bidet?

Bidet is better for plumbing and ur ass also.

Japanese toilets r tha best!

BBC just interviewed some hospital workers in northern Italy, and they're exhausted, and overwhelmed, saying there aren't enough rooms, so patients are being placed in the hallways. There's only 7300ish cases across northern italy

My dad spent 3 days in the hallway here back in 2011 when he had complications from heart surgery, how abnormal is that? Serious question

Since you seem to be the only medical professional posting in this thread do you mind qualifying yourself?

Are you a doctor, registered nurse, epidemiologist, etc?.

Just curious

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They have all the proper workwear, masks, gloves etc and they are refusing to do their job.

Should firemen walk out if they think the fire is too dangerous? Should police walk away from a hostage situatiom if they think the situation is too dangerous? These people are healthcare professionals not fast food clerks.

I am a clinical pharmacist specializing in ICU/medical ward care. I am working in Hong Kong where everyone is scared shitless. Compared to SARS where people banded together to help the sick, you now have people threatening to walk off the job, setting fires to designated treatment clinics, rampant NIMBY and racial discrimination.

Ever wonder how it would feel if your family member was one of the infected? Healthcare workers refusing to help them? So yes, let's keep spreading the panic, hate, and bigotry. Eventually you're gonna start seeing people hating on the Chinese, then the Italians, then the Iranians. Who cares about real life data. Let's just make decisions based on emotions. That's how medicine works. Duhhhh.

No. What's the point of going to Italy if you cant go anywhere and everything is closed.

I think people banded together during SARS because we all didn't know what it was, and most haven't experienced it in their lifetime.

Sometimes it's good to have previous experience, so technically, you should be well prepared for it. But the other end of the spectrum is, people remember how bad it was, and panic at even the slightest thing because they afraid of what could happen.

Thank you. My question wasnt a personal attack just helps me understand your rationale and give weight to the value of your arguements.

Edit: as a clinical pharmacist do you come into direct contact with persons who are infected or dispense medication for medical staff to administer?


I do wonder about how I would feel if my family member was infected. I would hope that they receive fair and equal treatment to the best of the medical staffs ability to be able to care for them.

I could see an adversity by health care staff in wanting to help those that are infected. They are human after all and their survival mechanisms are kicking in. I'm sure not everyone thought about treating people who were infected with a virus when they joined the medical profession.

I dont see a spread of panic or hate in this thread per se. Nothing really malicious just a sense of precaution mixed in with some racial bias.

Havent noticed any racism or hatred in the LMD targeting specific minorities. Just the odd facebook post that shows asians in make shift cbrne gear shopping costco.

Is there racism and hate going on in HK?