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and con-BLM=racist, fucked up conservative and just downright a disgusting person who has no compassion whatsoever.
The organizations I posted above support the cons. United we roll/yellow vesters had a rally in Ottawa. Faith Goldy a supporter and white nationalist spoke at the rally. Andrew Scheer also spoke at the rally. You can keep saying the cons ae not full of racist supporters until you are blue in the face but no one on the left is going to believe you until they tell all these groups to get lost.
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The organizations I posted above support the cons. United we roll/yellow vesters had a rally in Ottawa. Faith Goldy a supporter and white nationalist spoke at the rally. Andrew Scheer also spoke at the rally. You can keep saying the cons ae not full of racist supporters until you are blue in the face but no one on the left is going to believe you until they tell all these groups to get lost.
Why do you guys keep deviating from what I'm posting?
In fact, I find that it's not just to my messages... but most posts that question or argue against BLM. It's always when asked about A, you answer about B.
Instead of targeting the point, which is what a good discussion is about, you target something in it... like mikemhg picks on Soros out of the entire post by birddog3k, yes, I think anyone who's following the whole BLM story is aware of that conspiracy going with Soros w/BLM.
And yet he picked on that point and just somehow discredit every other points that were brought into a post.
That's not how argument works. First, you acknowledge the points and then go through one by one. By simply taking out a word of the whole argument and say "this part is bullshit, so the entire thing must be bullshit too".
Why do you guys keep deviating from what I'm posting?
In fact, I find that it's not just to my messages... but most posts that question or argue against BLM. It's always when asked about A, you answer about B.
Instead of targeting the point, which is what a good discussion is about, you target something in it... like mikemhg picks on Soros out of the entire post by birddog3k, yes, I think anyone who's following the whole BLM story is aware of that conspiracy going with Soros w/BLM.
And yet he picked on that point and just somehow discredit every other points that were brought into a post.
That's not how argument works. First, you acknowledge the points and then go through one by one. By simply taking out a word of the whole argument and say "this part is bullshit, so the entire thing must be bullshit too".
That's NOT answering one's message.
You support a party full of racists but claim the party is not racist.
According to the right Soros funds everything, Bill Gates is going to microchip everyone and Elon Musk is going to use satellites to beam 5g to control people.
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You support a party full of racists but claim the party is not racist.
According to the right Soros funds everything, Bill Gates is going to microchip everyone and Elon Musk is going to use satellites to beam 5g to control people.
And after I pointed out that whenever we talk A, you talk B, you still do that.
Thx for an excellent example. It’s never about solving a problem through discussion, it’s about constructing a narrative, that those against us are fucked up lunatics and their words are not to be trusted.
And after I pointed out that whenever we talk A, you talk B, you still do that.
Thx for an excellent example. It’s never about solving a problem through discussion, it’s about constructing a narrative, that those against us are fucked up lunatics and their words are not to be trusted.
Bravo.
What's there to talk about. Your party is full of racists but you can't admit that. Justina McCaffrey ran for the con party and was besties with Faith Goldy. What more needs to be said? Good luck to Peter McKay his wife is going to be eaten alive.
This made me laugh pretty hard.
Liberal Karen McCrimmon, a retired air force officer, has won re-election in Kanata-Carleton by shooting down the challenge of Conservative Justina McCaffrey, a renowned wedding dress designer.
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JD13 you just proved my point why BLM does not try to carry a singular leader. A tweet can complete de-legitimize an entire movement. The person you're mentioning was touting an esoteric view in regards to melanin totals (or lack there of) in relation to empathy. It's the same theory Nick Cannon was recently cancelled for.
She posted that in 2016, and she's a young woman, we've all said stupid crap in our lives, that does not mean the entire movement is false, that's absolutely ridiculous.
Holy shit Mike. Touting an esoteric view?! That's what you're going to call it?! That one line I copied is from a full post on Facebook that reads like it's out of a new version of Mein Kampf. Never in my LIFE even in my mid-twenties like she was at the time have I had thoughts, and so much conviction in those thoughts, that I would post multiple times to social media about a different ethnicity being sub-human and asking god to give me the strength not to kill them. Esoteric view?! Get the fuck outta here. You're defending a blatant bigot. Stop it. And after all that nowhere did I say her individual actions were reflective of the organization as a whole. I stated they should have accountability and be consistent with their message: big difference.
The rest of your post is keyword deflective nonsense. Read this part of my post again: "I wasn't going to weigh in on this thread because the amount of virtue-signalling and posters putting words and thoughts in to others mouths/heads to do so is absolutely gross."
That's you Mike. Nowhere have I ever posted on this forum that I'm a "professed Conservative Party supporter". You're all about attaching labels and then putting words in my mouth I've never said about topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. My asking for personal and professional accountability doesn't lump me in to ANY party or movement. This thread is about the death of George Floyd, the protests and riots that have resulted, and the Black Lives Matter movement and organization. That's it. If you can't or don't want to respond to the legitimate questions people have about these things then don't. But going off on rambling tangents to try and prove a point I think you lost along the way is *GASP* virtue signalling.
Stop using keywords like "dog whistle" and "right-wing arguments" when someone asks a hard question about what a proposed non-profit organization is doing with their donation money, especially when by their own accounts they have no public accounting after seven years in operation! You stated "Why is it when a black organization is put together, Conservatives like yourself want to know where each penny is going?" Want to just call me racist outright instead of beating around the bush? It's got nothing to do with the organization being run by African-Americans. When cities are being burned down and people killed in scores in the name of said organization and the moronic Defund The Police movement (that BLM has popularized!) these are valid questions. BLM claims to want equality and change yet have done nothing to enact change in their own communities except organize more rallies. I never said they're paying protestors but the Executive Director of the organization says the money is going to "civic engagement, expansion of chapters, [and] organizing and digital advocacy resources and tools" aka paying organizers!
So spare us your bullshit, your bias is obvious. You've degraded yourself in to another Manic by deflecting hard questions when the answers don't fit your narrative.
Holy shit Mike. Touting an esoteric view?! That's what you're going to call it?! That one line I copied is from a full post on Facebook that reads like it's out of a new version of Mein Kampf. Never in my LIFE even in my mid-twenties like she was at the time have I had thoughts, and so much conviction in those thoughts, that I would post multiple times to social media about a different ethnicity being sub-human and asking god to give me the strength not to kill them. Esoteric view?! Get the fuck outta here. You're defending a blatant bigot. Stop it. And after all that nowhere did I say her individual actions were reflective of the organization as a whole. I stated they should have accountability and be consistent with their message: big difference.
The rest of your post is keyword deflective nonsense. Read this part of my post again: "I wasn't going to weigh in on this thread because the amount of virtue-signalling and posters putting words and thoughts in to others mouths/heads to do so is absolutely gross."
That's you Mike. Nowhere have I ever posted on this forum that I'm a "professed Conservative Party supporter". You're all about attaching labels and then putting words in my mouth I've never said about topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. My asking for personal and professional accountability doesn't lump me in to ANY party or movement. This thread is about the death of George Floyd, the protests and riots that have resulted, and the Black Lives Matter movement and organization. That's it. If you can't or don't want to respond to the legitimate questions people have about these things then don't. But going off on rambling tangents to try and prove a point I think you lost along the way is *GASP* virtue signalling.
Stop using keywords like "dog whistle" and "right-wing arguments" when someone asks a hard question about what a proposed non-profit organization is doing with their donation money, especially when by their own accounts they have no public accounting after seven years in operation! You stated "Why is it when a black organization is put together, Conservatives like yourself want to know where each penny is going?" Want to just call me racist outright instead of beating around the bush? It's got nothing to do with the organization being run by African-Americans. When cities are being burned down and people killed in scores in the name of said organization and the moronic Defund The Police movement (that BLM has popularized!) these are valid questions. BLM claims to want equality and change yet have done nothing to enact change in their own communities except organize more rallies. I never said they're paying protestors but the Executive Director of the organization says the money is going to "civic engagement, expansion of chapters, [and] organizing and digital advocacy resources and tools" aka paying organizers!
So spare us your bullshit, your bias is obvious. You've degraded yourself in to another Manic by deflecting hard questions when the answers don't fit your narrative.
Right, yet you side stepped every point I posed toward you.
I've seen your posts on this forum, and they clearly slant a certain way, don't try to gaslight, a spade is a spade. I don't know you personally, so I can only go by what you post on this forum. I've seen countless posts from you supporting the Conservative party, and lambasting Trudeau and the Liberals, which is totally fine. Yet I've never seen you criticize the party you support and the extreme views and ideas coming from some of those within said party.
Am I biased? Of course I am. Why not admit your own bias?
You and Hehe continue to claim "they're doing nothing for their communities". Let me ask you a serious question, have you even bothered to research the work that's being done? Have you not seen the changes already been enacted by city councils throughout the States? Do you think change happens in a week? You do realize the bureaucracy of politics, change takes time, and these groups are most certainly enacting changes, even if you fail to recognize it.
Black mayors have been elected, officials have had to step down, various cities have opted to revamp and restructure their police forces and pass bills to address indemnified immunity, multiple bills have been passed in the House, statues have been taken down, deeper investigations have came out in Louisville regarding its city's agenda to disenfranchise black communities through police oppression (read the latest developments on Breonna Taylor for more details on this).
The above are only a few examples of changes enacted by BLM in the mere span of months here. Just because you don't look into this stuff, does not mean work isn't being done here. Read about what Michael Tubbs, the first black mayor in Stockton, and the successful changes he's made to reduce gun violence in the city (down 31% since he's taken office in 2016).
As I've said, it's rather ignorant, dismissive, and disrespectful to these people who are putting the actual work in to make these changes, while you sit behind your monitor and claim "they're doing nothing".
My observation of you is simply to understand why the subject of BLM is of such importance for you to direct your ire in written form, meanwhile ignoring bigoted issues that appear rampant within the party you seem to support. If that observation is anecdotal, then so be it, you have not shown me otherwise in terms of your consistent objection to questionable and bigoted thoughts and acts from what I would perceive to be your "side".
This must be really confusing for the blue lives matter pro-gun crowd.
Can't decide which false dichotomy to pick...
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Well, the cop still has his job and you bet other cops support him. So if you are a blue lives matter person you must support the cops and believe what the officer did was right. But if you are a A2 guy, you believe he had a right to bear arms.
This is where the good guy with a gun theory falls flat. The police believe anyone with a gun can be a threat. You pull your gun at an active shooter situation there is a good chance you will get shot by the police.
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@manic that was one of the most fucked up videos I’ve ever seen. Those cops deserve to fucking hang
You should check out the channel 'police activity'. https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity/videos
What amazed me while watching these videos is how recklessly a suspect would reach for their gun while an officer already had their hand on their own.
And quite often, over something trivial.
Illuminating how abruptly a situation turns to life or death.
I can't really say one way or the other on this one. The officer did identify himself when he knocked, and the guy answered the door with a gun in his hand.
If i was a family member, I'd probably be mortified that the officer is still active. But if i was an officer in that precinct, I think I'd be pretty receptive to his reaction.
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You should check out the channel 'police activity'. https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity/videos
What amazed me while watching these videos is how recklessly a suspect would reach for their gun while an officer already had their hand on their own.
And quite often, over something trivial.
Illuminating how abruptly a situation turns to life or death.
I can't really say one way or the other on this one. The officer did identify himself when he knocked, and the guy answered the door with a gun in his hand.
If i was a family member, I'd probably be mortified that the officer is still active. But if i was an officer in that precinct, I think I'd be pretty receptive to his reaction.
The 911 call was about a noise complaint. The guy was playing video games and listening to music with his girlfriend. The 911 operator escalated the call because they were tired and wanted to sleep.GF claims they did not know it was the police. Just because someone knocks on your door saying they are the police does not mean it's the police.
Now whats wrong with answering a door with a gun? Are you saying people should not be able to walk around with a gun in their own house?
If you side with the police you are going against all the 2a people that say you should have a gun on you at all times including inside your house.
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Asians are also becoming effected by such practices. In the wake of BLM, California recently voted to repeal prop 209 which had ended affirmative action practices for school admissions. Previous to 209 the standards were much higher for Asian Americans. A couple of years ago Harvard admitted they had tiered SAT admission scores based on race with Asians requiring the highest scores. Keep in mind the Asian demographic is very broad, with a number of sub groups where they have had to overcome many, if not more, of the same obstacles as Blacks and Latinos.
You should check out the channel 'police activity'. https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity/videos
What amazed me while watching these videos is how recklessly a suspect would reach for their gun while an officer already had their hand on their own.
And quite often, over something trivial.
Illuminating how abruptly a situation turns to life or death.
I can't really say one way or the other on this one. The officer did identify himself when he knocked, and the guy answered the door with a gun in his hand.
If i was a family member, I'd probably be mortified that the officer is still active. But if i was an officer in that precinct, I think I'd be pretty receptive to his reaction.
No matter how fucked up, I usually can somewhat justify two sides of the story, but in this particular case, I really can't.
If someone knocked on your door and "identified" themselves, you probably would miss it unless you're right by the door. It's a stupid protocol, because chances are, if you're not expecting someone, you're not focused to hear it. You may even stop what you're doing and second guess if you just heard a knock at the door, nevermind someone trying to talk through a door.
Considering it's America, it's probably not that uncommon to open the door in the middle of the night with a gun for safety. But the gun wasn't drawn and pointed. I don't think he even noticed there was a second cop behind him. They immediately shined a flashlight in his face, saw the gun, and panicked. Especially the officer that actually did the shooting.
Literally didn't give him a chance. One officer said "Hands! Hands!" That was the right procedure and instinctively, the victim had his hands out in plain sight and slowly getting down, in no position of threat. But the other officer panicked and just started shooting regardless. What a fucking clown.
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The officer did identify himself when he knocked, and the guy answered the door with a gun in his hand.
While responding to a noise complaint. I think we can all agree that when noise is involved you should be thinking there's a good chance they won't hear you.
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Also, you kind of expect officers to be non-aggressive for a noise complaint. The way they're positioned at the door so as to not be at all visible through the peep hole and the one officer with his hand on his holster ready to draw is fucked up. Like that's the kind of shit you'd expect when they're executing a warrant on a known violent criminal.
While responding to a noise complaint. I think we can all agree that when noise is involved you should be thinking there's a good chance they won't hear you.
Wasn't it raised to a domestic dispute call? That changes drastically what the officer's walking into and the likelihood of being attacked.
I'm not saying the cop acted accordingly. I just don't think it's entirely black or white.
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People never seem to acknowledge thats probably one of, or the biggest contributor to all these police involved shootings. When every call you go to you need to assume the assailant has a gun, wouldn't you be pretty prepared to shoot?
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People never seem to acknowledge thats probably one of, or the biggest contributor to all these police involved shootings. When every call you go to you need to assume the assailant has a gun, wouldn't you be pretty prepared to shoot?
I'm fully aware of that... It's unfortunate it's pretty much catch 22.
No one in America would feel safe opening the door to a stranger without a gun.
I still say the guy didn't get a chance to comply. He was pretty much shot while complying cause the other officer was too trigger happy.
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Cop claimed Masai Ujiri pushed him first and was suing him for 70K because he got injured and had emotional damage. This video shows the cop pushed him first 2 times. I hope Masai sues his ass.
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