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Council’s next step will be to ask staff to come up with a with a plan, timeline and budget to “deprioritize policing as a response to mental health, sex work, homelessness, and substance use and to prioritize funding community-led harm reduction.”
You are saying this as this is a zero-sum game. If the white takes it, black and all the other minorities can't have it.
The fact is plenty of people, white, black or others who made their wealth well after slavery times and never in their life or family relied on anything created by slavery.
If you want to talk about everything that the black slave built and how generations after could benefit from it, what about the Chinese who built the vast majority of railroad networks in America? Should they be part of reparation?
Before pointing the fingers out asking what others have done... ask yourself one question, what have you done?
I guess blacks should feel lucky they didn't have to pay for transportation or a head tax to get into North America as the Chinese did.
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I guess blacks should feel lucky they didn't have to pay for transportation or a head tax to get into North America as the Chinese did.
It's not even about what happened. It's about the given context and the future.
Lefties and BLMs are finding all sort of BS to fill the narrative, and to promote hate (against other races) and chaos.
But as soon as you start generalizing their ideologies onto every other race, like the Chinese, or First Nation... their argument starts to fell apart. And that's why they don't want any other "different" voices like ALM because they know their argument defies all common senses if you start applying across the board.
That doesn't help the black communities... I'm sorry... it only helps the Dems.
It's funny that the black community vote Dems... as Dems seem to care about the race thing once every 4yrs.
It's not even about what happened. It's about the given context and the future.
Lefties and BLMs are finding all sort of BS to fill the narrative, and to promote hate (against other races) and chaos.
But as soon as you start generalizing their ideologies onto every other race, like the Chinese, or First Nation... their argument starts to fell apart. And that's why they don't want any other "different" voices like ALM because they know their argument defies all common senses if you start applying across the board.
That doesn't help the black communities... I'm sorry... it only helps the Dems.
It's funny that the black community vote Dems... as Dems seem to care about the race thing once every 4yrs.
And maga loves the blacks.
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At least they don’t pretend to care only for the vote like the dems.
It’s worse, if dems pretend to care and actually work on some save the face proposals, I’d take that.
They pretend to care, and mask their proposal in a way so that these black voters would always be dependent of them. Their social programs was never designed to get black out of poverty. They are designed so they lose any motivation to get out of it and dems can continue to keep control over their votes.
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Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
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Is there anyone here who can explain what exactly BLM wants to do? It's pretty obvious they want people to vote Democrat considering that what their top 3 goals suggest. Besides that, everything else is just buzz words. For example, I don't know what "Racial Injustice" means. Also, they don't mention any specific actions they want to undertake to achieve said goals.
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Campaign Goals
1. Vigorously engage our communities in the electoral process:
Millions of Black Americans are repressed within the democratic process, yet data shows Black voters tipped the balance in the 2018 midterm elections. Moving towards 2020, we seek to increase the power of our voices and votes.
2. Educate our constituents about candidates and the issues that impact us most:
We will amplify and do a deep dive into the issues that affect our communities most and hold our candidates accountable on these issues.
3. Promote voter registration among Generation Z, the Black community, and our allies:
Demographic shifts means that in the 2020 election, non-whites will account for a third of voters and one in ten voters will be members of Generation Z. We will encourage and provide resources for those seeking to vote.
BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 will focus on the following issues:
Racial Injustice
Police Brutality
Criminal Justice Reform
Black Immigration
Economic Injustice
LGBTQIA+ and Human Rights
Environmental Conditions
Voting Rights & Suppression
Healthcare
Government Corruption
Education
Commonsense Gun Laws
Is there anyone here who can explain what exactly BLM wants to do? It's pretty obvious they want people to vote Democrat considering that what their top 3 goals suggest. Besides that, everything else is just buzz words. For example, I don't know what "Racial Injustice" means. Also, they don't mention any specific actions they want to undertake to achieve said goals.
You've posted this countless times in this thread.
You do realize that BLM is not a monolith right? There are different BLM movements in each city and state, along with combined overarching goals. Each city carries its own issues, thus each BLM party carries various goals and objectives.
If you actually put in some research instead of simply trolling and attempting to incite an argument, you could easily answer your question.
The above is all fully laid out and available for you, wasn't that hard was it? You can also search agenda items for BLM Toronto, DC, Detroit, etc as well to see their specific goals.
You've posted this countless times in this thread.
You do realize that BLM is not a monolith right? There are different BLM movements in each city and state, along with combined overarching goals. Each city carries its own issues, thus each BLM party carries various goals and objectives.
If you actually put in some research instead of simply trolling and attempting to incite an argument, you could easily answer your question.
The above is all fully laid out and available for you, wasn't that hard was it? You can also search agenda items for BLM Toronto, DC, Detroit, etc as well to see their specific goals.
I understand there are BLM chapters in every city but I’d like to discuss the overarching goals on the website, not for any particular city.
Because we are in a public forum I’d like to hear from the individuals here about those issues, not read a bunch of websites. If I have questions, I’m not going to email the writer whereas here I can just ask away. And of course I’m trying to incite an argument, that’s what a public forum if for is it not? I’m talking about arguments in a philosophical sense, not the typical arguments we have here.
Not:
A: I think this.
B: Troll.
But more along the lines:
A: I think this.
B: That is incorrect due to this and this.
A: But what about this?
B: This covers that.
A: Oh that makes sense, thanks!
Here are some issues from the link you provided:
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BLM proudly proclaims its belief that all black Americans should receive a guaranteed minimum income and “free” healthcare, schooling, food, real estate, gender reassignment surgery, and abortion; bring an “an end to all jails” as we know them; disrupt the traditional family; demand reparations on behalf of foreign nations; and form a “global liberation movement” that will “overturn US imperialism [and] capitalism.”
That paragraph seems insane upon first read. The idea seems to be that capitalism = BAD and needs to be overturned. To what? Based on the paragraph, some sort of socialist system where the government provides everything but in this case, only for black people. I guess the rest of us can enjoy higher taxes and cost of living while black people will get all the free stuff. Thoughts?
I know Joe Rogan is a trigger to some people but his podcast with Brett Weinstein is quite good analyzing some of these points regarding BLM coming from an academic point of view
His main problem with BLM is that it’s a headless/Leaderless movement essentially which is only addressing really superficial wounds as opposed to the main underlying problems which could make create actual change. In the same discussion he also goes fairly in depth into his opinion as to why defunding the police is the wrong way to approach things but something obviously has to be done in terms of restructuring etc.
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That paragraph seems insane upon first read. The idea seems to be that capitalism = BAD and needs to be overturned. To what? Based on the paragraph, some sort of socialist system where the government provides everything but in this case, only for black people. I guess the rest of us can enjoy higher taxes and cost of living while black people will get all the free stuff. Thoughts?
No that's Startrek. Ever watch it.
Also LOL for liking your own post.
__________________ Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.
That paragraph seems insane upon first read. The idea seems to be that capitalism = BAD and needs to be overturned. To what? Based on the paragraph, some sort of socialist system where the government provides everything but in this case, only for black people. I guess the rest of us can enjoy higher taxes and cost of living while black people will get all the free stuff. Thoughts?
The BLM proponents in this thread are just about as insane as the paragraph you quoted.
Anything and anyone against BLM is troll/racist/privileged people who can never understand the suffering.
Deep down, they truly believe that by supporting this cause, they are being the good guy.
I've raised many times about discussing an actual fair and constructive way forward... they treat it as I'm against BLM, because BLM is not subject to question or discussion, so I'm troll/racist/privileged.
There is no good or bad. That's why I never felt upset about the stuff they say against me. It's just frustrating that we can't stop for a moment, ignore the hype or narrative created by BLM and actually focus on a potential solution toward the problem. Nop... if you aren't pro-BLM, they aren't interested in anything you say.
Sound advice.
Wouldn't want to fall into a discussion with someone whose views don't align directly with yours.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
Antifa rioters violently attacking people, burning, and destroying the city day after day?
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Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
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Bait is bait regardless /shrug
As for hehe that'd be beating a dead horse and dealing with his circular reasoning
aka wasting time
by your logic we should be actively keeping up discussion with Charles in Charge
No. That's not what I'm saying.
You're under no obligation to respond to anyone's posts here. But to label them as 'bait', as if for nothing beyond trolling, is just disingenuous.
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Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
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No. That's not what I'm saying.
You're under no obligation to respond to anyone's posts here. But to label them as 'bait', as if for nothing beyond trolling, is just disingenuous.
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The BLM proponents in this thread are just about as insane as the paragraph you quoted
Yeah it's really disingenuous to label that as bait lmfao
No. That's not what I'm saying.
You're under no obligation to respond to anyone's posts here. But to label them as 'bait', as if for nothing but trolling, is just disingenuous.
Hehe isn't anything like CiC. Agree with him or not, he at least has his own premises, logic, and conclusions, without massive leaps or gaps.
We have just one admitted troll in our midst in Manic. On top of that he agrees with and participates in cancel culture and doxxing. Just hope he doesn't target anyone here someday. Yet people here still give him the time of day.
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