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What I like to see is more Poc to post in this thread (like mikemhg) as he is the one who experiences first hand what it is to like to live every day as a Poc. It's ironic that the white people caused alot of this
(ie. Indigenous children taken away from families and boarding schools) and we're supposed to listen to them for solutions (4,5 posters in this thread). It would be nice to read more from Indigenous or black posters on this post for solution and discussions from them, (instead of a mouth piece who's never experienced any oppression in their lives and pretends to understand.) Also, it would give some members a better understanding on why BLM.
I highly doubt anyone in this thread was involved with, let alone was responsible for, the residential school system.
This isn’t directed at Hehe because honestly I’ve been scrolling through his posts for a while but man.. I know too many people that this statement applies to. So many words with so little substance.
I hate to judge but it annoys me when people like this are successful career-wise when all they do is spew verbal diarrhea that so many can see through. Good for them I suppose.. it takes a special talent to be able to fake it so well. It’s just not a talent I’d be proud of, myself.
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punkwax, I don't care what your friends say about you, you are gold!
I highly doubt anyone in this thread was involved with, let alone was responsible for, the residential school system.
I know none of the posters here were responsible for the residential schools.
I was referring that we should listen to solutions from Poc, NOT solutions from non Poc. (some of the posters on this thread). That's how the residential school got so fucked up in the first place.
I know none of the posters here were responsible for the residential schools.
I was referring that we should listen to solutions from Poc, NOT solutions from non Poc. (some of the posters on this thread). That's how the residential school got so fucked up in the first place.
I don't think it's constructive to silence or disregard people because of their skin colour, personally.
Certainly a person of colour who has been subject to systemic racism for much of their life is able to offer experiences, feedback, and input that is likely more relevant than another person who hasn't had to deal with that and thus you give more weight to their contributions. However, that doesn't mean that individual has an ideal solution for fixing major and complex societal problems.
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Fuck I commend all here that had the time to read all of hehe's word salad. I mean gawd, for someone espousing "pull yourself up from your bootstraps" ideology he sure devotes a metric tonne of time denigrating those that he deems unworthy of his time.
He's another one I'd like to meet face to face if there's ever an RS meet
In terms of solutions, I mean heck, I've named quite a few thus far.
It's interesting and fitting, I work for a large multi-national corporation, and today we conducted a large webinar to discuss the topic of racism and racial equality within the company, and how we can do better.
It was very frank, and one I've not seen a company do in the past, which certainly shows these recent protests are working.
The stories I listened to from other black colleagues was illuminating, and to see our primarily white executive team's eyes open to these stories was certainly telling. I'm encouraged by this stuff, as it doesn't seem like virtue signaling.
To hear the stories of attending uncomfortable golf tourney's where you're the only person of color there, getting "fist bumps" instead of a handshake like everyone else, all small examples of what it's like as a black person in the corporate world. Heck I've had meetings visiting clients/advisors face to face for the first time, and having them go "You're black?! I could never tell over the phone, you're so articulate!".
It was great to hear similar stories nationally from colleagues throughout the country.
We spoke about having more diversity within leadership, as within my company on the executive side, it's a sea of white faces. Whether this is by choice or by circumstance, who knows. Hehe would say well "they're simply the best options", when that isn't true.
One part of "white privilege" is not necessarily racism, I highly doubt many of these people in those positions are actually racist. Racism can be subconscious in many ways. A factor we've highlighted is the bottleneck that occurs within our own subconscious bias. Meaning we tend to promote or hire within our own circle, regardless of merit. A company may want to diversify, but if your talent recruiters are white, and send you resumes of white applicants, or if that particular executive decides to hire from his own network of folks, that is where the bottleneck occurs. Hence simply being neutral on the subject will not address those particular bottlenecks.
Much of this is too nuanced and complex to discuss on a simple forum, but I must say I was happy to see such a large company take the uncomfortable measures to make this a topic of national discussion, and to attempt to address our deficiencies.
In terms of solutions, I mean heck, I've named quite a few thus far.
It's interesting and fitting, I work for a large multi-national corporation, and today we conducted a large webinar to discuss the topic of racism and racial equality within the company, and how we can do better.
It was very frank, and one I've not seen a company do in the past, which certainly shows these recent protests are working.
The stories I listened to from other black colleagues was illuminating, and to see our primarily white executive team's eyes open to these stories was certainly telling. I'm encouraged by this stuff, as it doesn't seem like virtue signaling.
To hear the stories of attending unconformable golf tourney's where you're the only person of color there, getting "fist bumps" instead of a handshake like everyone else, all small examples of what it's like as a black person in the corporate world. Heck I've had meetings visiting clients/advisors face to face for the first time, and having them go "You're black?! I could never tell over the phone, you're so articulate!".
It was great to hear similar stories nationally from colleagues throughout the country.
We spoke about having more diversity within leadership, as within my company on the executive side, it's a sea of white faces. Whether this is by choice or by circumstance, who knows. Hehe would say well "they're simply the best options", when that isn't true.
One part of "white privilege" is not necessarily racism, I highly doubt many of these people in those positions are actually racist. Racism can be subconscious in many ways. A factor we've highlighted is the bottleneck that occurs within our own subconscious bias. Meaning we tend to promote or hire within our own circle, regardless of merit. A company may want to diversify, but if your talent recruiters are white, and send you resumes of white applicants, or if that particular executive decides to hire from his own network of folks, that is where the bottleneck occurs. Hence simply being neutral on the subject will not address those particular bottlenecks.
Much of this is too nuanced and complex to discuss on a simple forum, but I must say I was happy to see such a large company take the uncomfortable measures to make this a topic of national discussion, and to attempt to address our deficiencies.
Can you explain why the people on the executive team are NOT “simply the best options”? Before you accuse me of being a white supremacist, I’m not white.
You mentioned that you work for a large multi-national corporation. I too work at a company with a global presence. From my experience and observation, the execs at that level have a ton of pressure to succeed. The likelihood of someone getting to an exec level without having the competence required is 0. You might be able to plug-in people into admin and entry level positions but you can’t fake it to a mid-level position. Forget exec positions.
It’s absolutely true that execs hire people from their professional circles but it’s 100% based on competence. People are very aware of who’s able to do the job and who can’t and no one is going to risk their reputation and company profits to hire a friend.
“Systemic racism” existed but no longer exists. There are no longer any laws that discriminate based on race. However, the previous existence of these laws still have a major impact on life today. This is one of the reasons white men are at the top of so many companies. They have the experience required to run these companies because minorities were kept 100 feet back in the race and are still playing catch-up. Not to mention, in the US 60% of the population is white while 13% are black.
So if you can’t plug in people into these high level positions and minorities often don’t have the expertise to run these companies, what do you do? That’s a great question and something I’d love to have a discussion about.
As for the people dumping on Hehe, are you suggesting that taking responsibility for yourself doesn’t work?
Human’s act. It’s undeniable. If you want to get out of bed you have to literally get off of the bed. If you want to get jacked you literally have to perform the lifts. There is an optimal way of doing things. If you want to optimize your physique you have to also optimize your diet. In the same token, if you want a better life for yourself you have to do the work necessary. You can bitch and complain that everyone’s holding you down but until you do the work nothing’s going to happen.
While it’s true that black people have gotten the short end of the stick throughout American history, you still have to rise above your circumstance. There’s no other way. You can revise the school system, change the welfare state, give reparations, and do everything else to bridge the gap but if you’re skipping school and selling drugs the likelihood of you succeeding diminishes rapidly. So beyond the societal shifts required, we need black people to also take responsibility for their lives. Y’all have been bashing Hehe for saying you have to take personal responsibility when that’s an ABSOLUTE FACT OF LIFE.
The way I see it, growing up as a minority in countries where discrimination is high, is that if yourself take it as given. You take it as "this is how it is", blame on the system, on the society and never on yourself... you are done. You got beaten by the system.
I never gave up, and so was my family. My parents proved that they can make more money than any other parents in my class ever did, I proved that I can do better at school than my native-speakers friends ever did. The respect from my friends/teachers/PAC came after they realized they are messing with the wrong people.
Does it mean that our societal structure is already perfect and requires no adjustments? No. Far from it. And it's a continuos work.
But respects are earned, not given. You can NEVER ask for it because if it's forced upon, they might do it in the time being but only grown the problem bigger ("so the dude is black/yellow/brown/minority and gets a pass while I'm the majority I have to do extra hard?" Wait until you are the majority and see how that idea works for you)
Black athletes, for example, have shown their dominance in sports such as NFL, NBA... etc, do we EVER ask for a better proportion in the leagues' player composition so that people of other colors can have a better chance?
No, you go out and demonstrate that you can be BETTER, then people would give that respect to you. That's how NBA went from a white dominant league to a black dominant league; they are simply better. And in cutting edge competitive environment like the NBA or NFL, you either make it, or you don't. No one cares what color you are.
I'm against "for face" measurements that you simply handout that respect... no question asked, because of their color. That's not how it works. If the black community can contribute to the society, which I have ZERO DOUBT that they can, in the same way that everyone are contributing, I am sure the public idea, called it prejudice, bias... etc, would change as well. And that's what matters. The image that black community are portraying, that they are gangsters, criminals... etc (and the fact that many black celebrities promote on that) isn't what the black community needs.
Hence, starting from the basic, make it the norm of everyone else a norm to the black community. Sure we have fucked up cases in all colors, but that bound to happen regardless of race.
Yes, in a perfect world, no one needs to prove anything to anyone. But the REAL world is COMPETITIVE. You are either better, o par, or worse than someone else at something and that's how we progress as a society.
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But respects are earned, not given.
Respect should be given to everyone until they deem themselves unworthy of it. Even when you deem someone unworthy of it, you should have the empathy to consider why they act like that before you are disrespectful. Being an asshole should be last resort, but you sound like you believe it should be expected until someone deems themselves worthy of your respect, which quite frankly, is shameful.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
Respect should be given to everyone until they deem themselves unworthy of it. Even when you deem someone unworthy of it, you should have the empathy to consider why they act like that before you are disrespectful. Being an asshole should be last resort, but you sound like you believe it should be expected until someone deems themselves worthy of your respect, which quite frankly, is shameful.
I'm not saying it's ok to discriminate someone until they are proven otherwise. Just neutral... no more, no less.
Respect is something that has a positive connotation. If people respect you for your skill at something, it's because you are good at something.
By your logic, you should get married with a chick you just met, then get a divorce until you don't see a way to work it out, because you respect her as a good wife from moment 0.
By your logic, if you were a business owner, you should hire anyone who says he can do the job until you can prove he can't.
By your logic, any pupil should be admitted into whatever school they want in and the school can kick them out when they feel they are unworthy.
That's NOT how our society works. Whenever you want to present as either a positive, or negative, evidence has to be presented.
I see anyone who applies a job I have listed as equal, I just talk to them and test them about the things I want them to be able to do and they HAVE to be able to prove it.
Same thing goes for negative; if I want to accuse someone of doing something illegal, I must first obtain evidence showing as such.
The BLM is asking that we should take more black people solely base on their race; not what their quality (as in MLK speech). That's WRONG AND DISCRIMINATIVE. They are arguing that White people get a pass just because their skin is white... and call that RACISM. So the best proposal of a solution they came up with was "now it's our turn to take a pass based on skin".
Your comparisons are so fucking ridiculous.
Respect:
Due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others.
I'm glad you admit my examples are ridiculous. But the only way my examples are ridiculous is because your previous post was "ridiculous" as I was following the EXACT logic of your previous post.
I see anyone, black, white, yellow, brown the same "Due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights": he/she's a human being like me.
Again, no preference and no prejudice on anyone. Everyone is EQUAL.
For me to hire someone to work for me, he/she has to demonstrate that they got the skillset I need.
For me to like someone, he/she has to show something that I find admirable.
For me to believe in someone, he/she NEEDS to be able to convince me.
Just because he/she is BLACK, doesn't mean ANYTHING to me.
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You literally don't even know the definition of respect, even when I spell it out for you. Giving someone a job, marrying someone, admission to schools, all require more than basic respect. Reread your post, maybe edit it to suit your new knowledge of the definition. Every time you are given any facts you just switch to a new argument. You aren't interested in solutions, you aren't interested in discussion. You are only interested in being the smartest person in the room, and it's not working.
I still haven't suggested just "giving a black guy a job", or "admission to Ivy League schools," or you to even "like them," yet you keep going back to arguing against suggestions that weren't even brought up.
You need to do some reading, far beyond this thread, like most of the other people that are talking in here. This isn't about your life experiences, or mine. Quite frankly neither of them mean shit in this. Acknowledge that and maybe you will provide some useful insight.
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Westopher is correct.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
I read enough... news/books written from both left and right medias/perspective, domestic and foreign in 3 different languages (Chinese/English/Spanish) to derive my decision. I'm not currently working much due to Covid19 and spend much of my free time reading. I'd go as far as saying it's EXTREMELY rare to find people who reads more than I do as it's a habit I developed early in life. Even less so when consider very few I know are tri-lingual at the level of proficiency I'm in and I read materials in all these languages
And FYI, I did look up the definition before my prior post. Was going to comment on you were missing some part of it but decided against to talk on that regard as you wanted to make a point.
But here you go
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1.
a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
"the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor"
Similar:
esteem
regard
high regard
high opinion
acclaim
admiration
approbation
approval
appreciation
estimation
favor
popularity
recognition
veneration
awe
reverence
deference
honor
praise
homage
Opposite:
contempt
2.
due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of others.
"young people's lack of respect for their parents"
Similar:
due regard
consideration
thoughtfulness
attentiveness
politeness
courtesy
civility
deference
Opposite:
disrespect
That's the dictionary definition of the word respect.
Please ENLIGHTEN me that any part of there DOESN'T match what I've just said.
I CONTINUOUSLY want to talk about viable solutions AND things that we really NEED to figure out before we write to our local representatives (oh, just in case you didn't know, yes... people do that, or at least I'm one of those) so we can PUSH for a solution.
What do I get in return? Continuos bashing that my way don't work, that I lack of understanding of the whole situation, that I'm basing everything in my own experience.
I consider myself okay smart... I learn shits in life similar to other people and have had relative success in life both socially and financially. Plus, I spent easily hundreds if not thousands of hours of reading about racial issues as I AM a victim of such and a huge admirer of MLK. I figure that my ability to understand is easily as good as anyone else is.
After all that... what I came to conclude is that it's NOT the society who failed the black community, it's the vast majority of black community who decided to fail on their own people.
Why do they adore the gangster image? NO other race that I know off have such a commonplace admiration toward criminals. Do they have any psychological fear that makes them to pursue that "I'm tough" image? Because I don't know about you, many of the black men I know are some pumped mofos that you wouldn't want to mess with regardless if you've seen their skin color.
Even if that's the case, then let's find a solution... what's the point of trauma and how to solve it?
You guys keep talking like you are some fucking saint. That "oh... if we defund the police, the police would start making sure they pay the respect black people need. And police wouldn't be hurting or killing black people"
Why THE FUCK can't we just discuss something that would actually MAKE a DIFFERENCE in their life?
I really don't... what exactly is the agenda here? Why can't it be that ALL LIVES MATTER? Why is it that if a black person is killed by a black people don't get any attention (which btw, represents the VAST majority of black homicide EVERY YEAR)
The only reasoning I get is that it doesn't fit the narrative here. But Why such a narrative? Why can't this narrative be wrong and corrected/adjusted?
If this narrative is what it can only matter, I'm going to suggest the following, it doesn't make any sense... but if my personal racism experience and other minorities don't make sense (hence my opinions about it based on my experience), this would be even sillier:
If YOU ARE WHITE, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS THREAD.
What do whites know about discrimination and racism in western society? You can't possibly come close to understand it if you NEVER have a chance to experience it.
I respect your opinions but can we just get the fuck off of this back and forth. I also respect if you tell me to get the fuck out of the thread if I don't want to read this shit too #respect
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You keep parroting the same points, putting forth ideas that not one person in this thread has said.
You do realize the Civil Rights Act was only passed in 1964, correct? You do realize the slow moving ship that is our society, correct?
You mentioned black athletes in the NFL, and how should we should level the playing field for whites.
You do realize that black athletes weren't even allowed to play as quarterbacks up until 1968, and for decades there were little to no black quarterbacks due to inherent racism in the fact that blacks were considered "too stupid to play as quarterback". That sentiment continued for decades thereafter, and even to this day.
It's only recently that NFL teams have slowly pulled their head out of their collective asses and recognized the talent, and have allowed black players to play as QB, and lead a team.
Was the NFL not conducting a form of "affirmative action" for white players in that regard? Heck, the NFL still continues to barely allow blacks to coach teams, and are constantly relegated to assistant positions, meanwhile promoting white coaches with lesser abilities and acumen.
So thanks for mentioning that example, it fits perfectly into my narrative here. This is a perfect example of white affirmative action, none of this is a meritocracy.
Further to this, athletics are quite cut and dry, it's clear who is the best athlete, it's very difficult to simply put someone in a position based on their race, you either run fast or you don't, analytically that can be measured quite clearly. When we are talking about leadership roles, or roles of power and the nepotism involved with such within the corporate world, it is much more difficult to ascertain in terms of who is the most capable.
Where is your concern and issue with white affirmative action? Why does affirmative action for blacks bother you so much more? Why is it when affirmative action is made for whites, you have no problem with that? Once again, you are talking as if blacks and whites in America began at the same starting line, when there are countless examples of basic historical facts to the contrary of that.
If we're running a 200M race, and you start at the 100M mark, I don't care how amazing my talents are, I will never beat you, I will never catch up.
When we are talking about addressing diversity, we aren't talking about promoting or hiring substandard or lesser talent, we are talking about addressing our own human bias, recognizing that bias, being cognizant of that, and enacting initiatives to accommodate the problem.
It's quite telling and fascinating that you have such a deep problem with that, it shows the type of person you are.
Also, why can't white people post in this thread? We need their dialog, we need their support, it makes no sense to state that they should not discuss this topic constructively, and to be a part of it.
You can stop the grandstanding and braggadocios tone as well, it's not endearing, it's quite gross, to be honest with you.
Thus, can we just stop talking all these AMAZING GRAND VISION you guys have?
I am sure talking about that making you guys feel great. Making you guys feel that you are MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
However, the way I see it... let's cut the bullshit and get to something.
What we want is find a SOLUTION. Not prententious ideologies that sounds great on paper. Or someone throwing a great speech about how great black can be.
You know what also sounds great on paper? Communism. It's really the perfect WORLD. Everyone do what they do, and we all SHARE the fruit of the communal work.
How that turned out in practice? Nowhere.
I think after running my own business, I became very result-oriented. You wanna talk the talk, fine... but show me how to walk the walk. I'm tired of reading whether it's comments from RSers or the materials that you guys share that keeps doing that... Talk..
What did defunding police do to the society? Let's not even talk the division it caused in the grand scheme of things, just the practical part.
How did Seattle's CHOP/CHAZ do? Did it turn into the amazing paradise protestors thought to be? Oh... I'm sorry... it was a fucking shithole where many people died in it.
Minneapolis/Minnesota as a whole let the protest, rioting, looting going with lil suppression... now the governor is asking 500M from Federal gov't to pay for all the damages?!? I'm like... are you fucking kidding me? The governor decided to let it rotten all because "it's meaningful protest". And they want EVERYONE to pay for the mess?
I said the "white shouldn't be here" part because some people need to STOP pretending that they understand what's going on. They are just voicing because it's "the cool thing to do". And when you ask "so... what exactly do you propose that we do to solve this?".... don't quote anything anywhere... just an idea.... what you get is some stupid comments or dead silence.
I said it before, I am a strong believer of ABCs (Antecedents, Behaviour and Consequences) and they are scientific based methods that proven to work. You need to address all 3 at the same time in order for something to be effective. Defunding the police... it's a Consequence-driven solution: stop police from killing black dudes, we stop all police who dares to touch black people.
Giving black people more access to good schools/works... a Behaviour-driven solution. But it doesn't guarantee the majority would have the desire consequence... if a black student didn't want to go to school because it was shitty... and suddenly you throw him into the BEST school in the city and he'd want to start working hard?!? What kind of fucked up logic is that?
What I proposed was, most families in black communities, especially poor ones are single moms. They are incentivized to be a single mom because the social benefit applies to them and NOT as a married couple. (Antecedent), thus the mom usually needs to work, leaving very little time to care for her kids (Behaviour) and thus they end up with low education, low income and the cycle continues (Consequence).
If you change that... so that we incentivize regular family structure instead of single moms. (A), and parents now have more time with kids (as they no longer have to take long hours or multiple jobs) for their upbringing (B) and also give incentive for poor black neighbourhood's kids to do better and better at school (again, A), the kids would study harder or generally stay out of trouble (now, B)... and finally reaching a C... where one generation at the time, we take the black community out of poverty, little by little.
That's what I propose. Noot saying that it's the ONLY idea that works... but it's an idea that can make a difference.
So far, I have yet to read anything you guys are saying that take all 3 points into consideration... you just give the fish... the fishing baits and equipment and think they'd figure out how to fish by themselves? It doesn't work that way. Even less so when you just keep throwing shits on the wall and hope one will stick.
If we're running a 200M race, and you start at the 100M mark, I don't care how amazing my talents are, I will never beat you, I will never catch up.
Forget the 100M mark. Try the 201M.
Imagine playing 400 rounds of monopoly:
- Blacks build wealth for whites via slavery at plantations.
- Blacks are not allowed to possess any wealth.
- Civil War: Blacks gain "freedom" on paper.
- Every steps of the way, whenever blacks built their own self-sustained prosperous communities, whites come in and burnt them to the ground. Learn your history: Tulsa Massacre, Rosewood Massacre.
- Every steps of the way, blacks children are murdered, raped, until this day, in 2020, they are still being executed in broad daylight not phased by multiple eyewitnesses.
How can blacks catch up?
Now, imagine after those 400 rounds, all they ask for is equality. Not revenge. Not repayment. Only to be treated equal, only for whites to start playing fairly.
If your ancestors are immigrants, and your asses are pushing these nonsensical rhetoric, know this: your fathers, grandfathers or great grandfathers, were once nothing more than a pack of slant-eyed rats jumping on ships to infest the great United States of America. Don't think too highly of yourselves, because you're still, to this day, a slant-eyed rat in these people's eyes. You aint one of them, ninjas. Your children will never be one of them.
There are white people... who acknowledge there might be white privileges... He was born into it, but what they can't comprehend is... what can I do? Do you want me to sell all my shit, do you want me to sell my car?? what do you want...
I respect *____ insert any culture, but having you stand in front of my face saying I should feel guilty, ashamed... that's a bit over the line.
- Blacks build wealth for whites via slavery at plantations.
- Blacks are not allowed to possess any wealth.
- Civil War: Blacks gain "freedom" on paper.
- Every steps of the way, whenever blacks built their own self-sustained prosperous communities, whites come in and burnt them to the ground. Learn your history: Tulsa Massacre, Rosewood Massacre.
- Every steps of the way, blacks children are murdered, raped, until this day, in 2020, they are still being executed in broad daylight not phased by multiple eyewitnesses.
How can blacks catch up?
Now, imagine after those 400 rounds, all they ask for is equality. Not revenge. Not repayment. Only to be treated equal, only for whites to start playing fairly.
If your ancestors are immigrants, and your asses are pushing these nonsensical rhetoric, know this: your fathers, grandfathers or great grandfathers, were once nothing more than a pack of slant-eyed rats jumping on ships to infest the great United States of America. Don't think too highly of yourselves, because you're still, to this day, a slant-eyed rat in these people's eyes. You aint one of them, ninjas. Your children will never be one of them.
You are saying this as this is a zero-sum game. If the white takes it, black and all the other minorities can't have it.
The fact is plenty of people, white, black or others who made their wealth well after slavery times and never in their life or family relied on anything created by slavery.
If you want to talk about everything that the black slave built and how generations after could benefit from it, what about the Chinese who built the vast majority of railroad networks in America? Should they be part of reparation?
Before pointing the fingers out asking what others have done... ask yourself one question, what have you done?
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