George Floyd protests in America

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Originally Posted by dbaz

So if its derived from something else its fine? Guess nig, nip, cracker etc are back on the table boys!
Or is it only "oppressed people", but then whites sure as hell aint always living pretty in non-white countries.

Double standards dont work. Negative Racism is negative racism.

It's intentionally racist designs that are being changed. Go look up the history of the "Aunt Jemima" branding.

[dbaz]

clearly, yes. my comment was on how cracker meant less to the poster because it derives from something else, while in fact most words/slang are derived from another word/something else

[CivicBlues]

lol tell me where in the fucking world are white people disadvantaged in any way. Don't say Japan or China. It's not because you're white, it's because you're a foreigner.

[westopher]

Crackers were also called crackers before white people were called crackers. It would be like if the racial slur for white person was sandwich or hamburger.

[dbaz]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

lol tell me where in the fucking world are white people disadvantaged in any way. Don't say Japan or China. It's not because you're white, it's because you're a foreigner.

Why do you think people of colour have been disadvantaged in N.America or Europe(white colonizations/countries)? Because they are seen as a foreigner/different to the skin colour of the majority.
Differences are the building blocks of racism, yet to say white people are just foreigners in Asia is inconsistent to the basics of racism. In no way is it as bad as in Europe or N.America that minorities have it, but yes, in the Middle East, parts of Africa and in Asia white people are disadvantaged for not being the same colour as the majority, even if they become a citizen of those countries. Granted people with darker skin tones have it even worse in Asia. Saying "its because youre a foreigner", is a different way of saying "you, arent the same as us"

[CivicBlues]

I'm not a foreigner here. Are you saying because of the virtue of our skin colour we're always going to be foreigners in Canada?

You're comparing mono-ethnic states that have a closed door immigration to colonized states with open immigration policies.

Tell me, where have white people been accosted, assaulted, and persecuted en mass in these countries? Usually you are either tourists or expatriates that are generally fawned over by the native population. A sick legacy of colonialism and imperialism.

[dbaz]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

I'm not a foreigner here. Are you saying because of the virtue of our skin colour we're always going to be foreigners in Canada?

To me no, to the government no(kinda, depending on what outdated laws they still have). You are a citizen either through birth or gaining it however someone can. Yet to someone who cannot accept difference/change, they will probably see someone as that and resort to racism. Just think of how many times people have gotten the "where are you from?" question-based on skin colour? That happens everywhere, simply based on what they have grown up as a normal majority.

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Usually you are either tourists or expatriates that are generally fawned over by the native population

Disagree, women/men who are sexually interested in the difference, or have ulterior motives yes. Many middle-aged/older are still incredibly racist. Same as it is here.

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Tell me, where have white people been accosted, assaulted, and persecuted en mass in these countries?

now? accosted for sure, happens in mass. in terms of persecution it occasionally still happens, but I am not saying it is as bad as n.america.
historically, yes, of course it has. hopefully, this is the beginning of the change in North America. Unfortunately, as people we cannot ignore differences which continues to lead to racism, as we have seen throughout the ages. Even though as humans we have advanced with our times we struggle getting past differences, and we still have to resort to violence and unnecessary actions to get the point across.

Originally Posted by westopher

Crackers were also called crackers before white people were called crackers. It would be like if the racial slur for white person was sandwich or hamburger.

nip originally meant pinch/bite. in the end it all depends on the context its used, not where it came from.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by dbaz

clearly, yes. my comment was on how cracker meant less to the poster because it derives from something else, while in fact most words/slang are derived from another word/something else

Yeah, it’s not because it’s derived from something else/another word, it’s what it’s derived from.

A whip cracker was literally an oppressor of slaves.

[dbaz]

yes, but if you were giving it leeway based on that... its still a derogatory term towards white people. granted if the person did oppress slaves, they prob deserve that label. but nowadays the use to a wider base of a race thats unrelated, doesnt make the origin of it anymore acceptable

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

lol tell me where in the fucking world are white people disadvantaged in any way. Don't say Japan or China. It's not because you're white, it's because you're a foreigner.

Also white people have plenty of privilege in Japan and China, so I wouldn't buy that argument either. In some ways it's even worse, with old colonialist tendencies still present in these cultures.

[dbaz]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Also white people have plenty of privilege in Japan and China, so I wouldn't buy that argument either. In some ways it's even worse, with old colonialist tendencies still present in these cultures.

Lived in Japan for 6 years, can tell you its not as peachy as you think. Many expats would agree. If you work in tech industry you are given the best, anything else..

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by dbaz

Lived in Japan for 6 years, can tell you its not as peachy as you think. Many expats would agree. If you work in tech industry you are given the best, anything else..

I guarantee* you benefited from privilege many times without even knowing about it (hence why it's important to start recognizing it...)

*yes obviously I can't literally guarantee it. All I can do is get you to think back to your life experiences, and for a moment consider how those experiences would have been different if you weren't white. That's all.

[!LittleDragon]

Originally Posted by dbaz

i guess because its only writing on the internet you cant tell im joking. im just sick of all this bs pc shit.

as for me being white, so what? why you gotta single out my colour brah? thats not cool

It comes and goes, PC was big in the 90's and then went away for a while. Now it's back.

[dbaz]

Originally Posted by !LittleDragon

It comes and goes, PC was big in the 90's and then went away for a while. Now it's back.

Was prob too young to realize this back then. Its good for recognizing whats actually wrong, but going overkill is just dumb

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I guarantee you benefited from privilege many times without even knowing about it (hence why it's important to start recognizing it...)

Of course there were some, yet at same time there are many disadvantages as a minority/non-native. Same can be said for minorities in every country. But saying white people dont have disadvantages is just being ignorant

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by dbaz

Was prob too young to realize this back then. Its good for recognizing whats actually wrong, but going overkill is just dumb



Of course, yet at same time there are many disadvantages as a minority/non-native. Same can be said for minorities in every country. But saying white people dont have disadvantages is just being ignorant

What if you were in the exact same situation but were black or indian? Would you have the same disadvantages? Maybe more? Less?

So is it possible that those disadvantages are actually just for being a foreigner, rather than being white?

And since you admit that white people do have privilege, what about the aforementioned black or indian people? Do they have the same privileges?

[dbaz]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

What if you were in the exact same situation but were black or indian? Would you have the same disadvantages? Maybe more? Less?

So is it possible that those disadvantages are actually just for being a foreigner, rather than being white?

And since you admit that white people do have privilege, what about the aforementioned black or indian people? Do they have the same privileges?

Ive clearly already commented that darker skin tones have it way worse in Asia.
Being disadvantaged, but with less than another group does not mean that its ok. Is it okay for asians, blacks, indians etc to give up on their fights for equality in Canada because Native Americans have had it off worse? No. Each of those groups probably even have priviledges the others dont.

The point is for people to realize everyone has disadvantages and priviledges depending on where they are and work from there towards EQUALITY. If you cant admit its a problem of various levels all around, you arent going to reach equality.

This isnt a pissing match on whos the most disadvantaged, its about realizing that its a worldwide problem for everyone and working from there

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by dbaz

Ive clearly already commented that darker skin tones have it way worse in Asia.
Being disadvantaged, but with less than another group does not mean that its ok. Is it okay for asians, blacks, indians etc to give up on their fights for equality in Canada because Native Americans have had it off worse? No. Each of those groups probably even have priviledges the others dont.

The point is for people to realize everyone has disadvantages and priviledges depending on where they are and work from there towards EQUALITY. If you cant admit its a problem of various levels all around, you arent going to reach equality.

This isnt a pissing match on whos the most disadvantaged, its about realizing that its a worldwide problem for everyone and working from there

Soo... You're saying "all lives matter"?

[dbaz]

No, Im saying that certain lives matter more in countries where those people are at disadvantages. All lives would be incorrect.
For example all lives matter in North America is bs because whites are more privileged. For example, in Japan, Japanese are the priviledged.etc etc
Every country has laws and views that put non natives at major disadvantages, which need to be fixed. Considering globalization if this isnt done it will lead to more problems

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by dbaz

No, Im saying that certain lives matter more in countries where those people are at disadvantages. All lives would be incorrect.
For example all lives matter in North America is bs because whites are more privileged. For example, in Japan, Japanese are the priviledged.etc etc
Every country has laws and views that put non natives at major disadvantages, which need to be fixed. Considering globalization if this isnt done it will lead to more problems

But one race seems to be more privileged than any other, across most of the world. Is there much urgency to bring up their plight?

[welfare]

Originally Posted by GS8

nips and crackers!?!?

[dbaz]

Currently the western world is definitely the worst, whites are privileged there, im not arguing that. But does being privileged in part of the world make your privileged in another? no. Unless you are possibly well off and going to a cheaper country.


I am also speaking on the world stage, because what I originally argued was that whites don't receive disadvantages anywhere.

While wrong no matter what, this is recurring theme throughout history where different races have been more privileged with the evolution of humans. Violence has just shifted the privilege to a different race. In no ways am I saying that because its a repeating occurance its okay, im just saying people always try to solve it with violence and oppression of others. Its time to understand each other, that this is a problem that affects everyone, but definitely more than others in different parts of the world and support each other from there

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by dbaz

Currently the western world is definitely the worst, whites are privileged there, im not arguing that. But does being privileged in part of the world make your privileged in another? no. Unless you are possibly well off and going to a cheaper country.


I am also speaking on the world stage, because what I originally argued was that whites don't receive disadvantages anywhere.

While wrong no matter what, this is recurring theme throughout history where different races have been more privileged with the evolution of humans. Violence has just shifted the privilege to a different race. In no ways am I saying that because its a repeating occurance its okay, im just saying people always try to solve it with violence and oppression of others. Its time to understand each other, that this is a problem that affects everyone, but definitely more than others in different parts of the world and support each other from there

I agree with you for the most part. Understand each other, know that we're basically all the same, etc.

However "throughout history, different races" etc.. well it's practically white people who have privilege over everyone else, due to centuries of colonialism.

Do I say "cancel white" or shit like that? Hell no

However the goal should be to bring everyone UP to that level, not to bring anyone DOWN.

And that means, what little disadvantage white people do have, does not really need to be addressed right now. Maybe it's REALLY bad in parts of the world, I am ignorant to that. All I know is white 'disadvantage' is basically the same as any foreigner's disadvantage, plus the other races have more on top of that. So it's not exactly an urgent issue that needs to be solved.

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Originally Posted by CivicBlues

lol tell me where in the fucking world are white people disadvantaged in any way. Don't say Japan or China. It's not because you're white, it's because you're a foreigner.

White farmers were in Zimbabwe in 2000/2001. Not very common but it does happen.

[dbaz]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I agree with you for the most part. Understand each other, know that we're basically all the same, etc.

However "throughout history, different races" etc.. well it's practically white people who have privilege over everyone else, due to centuries of colonialism.

Do I say "cancel white" or shit like that? Hell no

However the goal should be to bring everyone UP to that level, not to bring anyone DOWN.

And that means, what little disadvantage white people do have, does not really need to be addressed right now. Maybe it's REALLY bad in parts of the world, I am ignorant to that. All I know is white 'disadvantage' is basically the same as any foreigner's disadvantage, plus the other races have more on top of that. So it's not exactly an urgent issue that needs to be solved.

For sure. Sometimes bringing down works though in different contexts

human history is quite long.
West Africa, Egypt, Mongolians, Chinese Empire have all been world powers and had slaves, slums etc.
It may only seem likes whites as they have been at their peak of power, and globalization/technology has intensified the access of information and visuals of it. Imo the next will be a chinese empire again unless white people start another world war.
Also not all the whites were the same, theres been shifts. Western Europe, to Germany, to America. Completely different agendas but still brutal to anyone thats not them

basically overall its a human problem, based on the basics of racism (differences).we as humans are hard-wired to notice differences. as white countries are the super power in the world atm whites are the main offender, but not the only one. only way to combat it is to come together and realize the basics of racism, that everyone sees differences, create the notion that these differences are okay and to make them normal in people's eyes and move together as one.

[GS8]

Originally Posted by welfare

nips and crackers!?!?

I cropped the dot in the i and this is the result



Don't have a seizure now