Nope, no equity from the previous lease.
0 down, 24 months.
10% dealer discount.

Agreeing with these two old farts about peak cars being 2015. GET OFF MY LAWN GEN Z!!!

2027 corolla probably…

https://www.motor1.com/photos/912010...eaked-in-china

Lazy ass Toyota just slapped the Prius head onto the corolla body. Looks very meh. As a purveyor of all things corolla, this isn’t good.

Excuse me, sir. Toyota wants to remind you all that this is called "continuous improvement" aka kaizen. :heckno:

Looks better than the new IS. Good god.

Nothing can be worse than that stupid ass touchscreen control for air vents on the damn Panamera. What a stupid boneheaded move, Porsche! :mad: (Edit: We have to thank Tesla for that.)

What was around in 2015 that made it the peak? I'd say by that point we were already starting to go downhill.

I'd say even longer. I think it was like 15 years ago someone stuck a 911 engine into a Cayman and it performed better than the 911 the engine was from. So all their nonsense about these extra performance versions of 911s and it's not even the best one of their chassis' to be putting it all in.

We need to bring back oscillating vents. My parents 1993 Mazda 626 had them and they were awesome.

Deleting the multi-link rear from the base Corolla? Who needs that anyways - torsion beam = kaizen beam.

Legitimately though, it's more compact (more interior space), less stuff to break (lower maintenance & repair costs), and cheaper to build (more budget for other stuff). Sounds like a win win win for anybody who doesn't give a damn and just wants to drive at or below speed limit.

Weird that my Corolla has a rear multi-link suspension but still a MacPherson strut up front. Regardless, it's neat and novel, but not a necessity. As you said, it's a car for the common people, not a club racer edition. People can get the Corolla Apex Edition for that. :pokerface::pokerface::pokerface:

Re: Lower maintenance and repair costs - This is perfect for people like my dad: Oil changes, routine maintenance, and what have you = :fuckthatshit: He loves his RX300.

iM and the 12th gen hatch/sedan launched with multi-link.

12th gen refresh got the 2.0 instead of the 1.8
and also got the launch gear CVT across all trims
but the multi-link became torsion beam for LE trim

the Hyundais, Corolla, and Golf TDI torsion beam are all fine but the Mazda 3 crashes over all sorts of bumps in Ontario - it's unacceptable

But...people still buy them despite this, and the accelerated rust with their cars? Makes no sense. :heckno:

Most cars have Macstrut front and multi rear, all the 3 series and below cars have that setup. You have to step into a 5 series to get double wishbone front. Even the 911 was Macstrut front until 992.1 when they put double wishbones in the GT3. So your iM is a base 911 :lawl:

Macstruts are cheap, and easy to package and honestly NOT terrible, the downside is just no dynamic camber gain and you have to run big camber on a heavier car to do track work. But honestly, it's a Corolla :pokerface:

It’s the styling and interior - young corporate girlies/dudes buying their first car love it

The thing with the Corolla is -- only the cheap trims come with the rear torsion beam -- the SE / XSE trims are still equipped with multi-link rear suspension, which means the chassis or subframe needs to be built to allow for both types of suspension to work. So while the rear torsion beam is more compact, it doesn't allow for an interior with more space bcos Toyota is still building the same chassis / interior that has the space reserved for the multi-link suspension.

In the end, it is nothing more than a cost reduction measure.

Now, cars with rear torsion beams can still handle fairly well -- my pos shxtbox Mazda has a rear torsion beam, and it handles relatively well. The MkIV Golf also had a rear torsion beam, and it was reasonable good to drive as well. But of course, a typical Corolla isn't built with driving dynamics in mind...

But...my car is a blue M3. :suspicious:

Idk how they fucked up the Corolla so bad.

The Camry closed the gap with Accord, getting crazy nice seats, chassis/steering feel, etc
Corolla still feels 50% worse than civic.

You should contract out to manufacturers since you know exactly what’s wrong with every single one of them and exactly what they need to do or should be doing.

How are you not CEO of one of them yet?

Isn't it more so they haven't updated it? It's due for an update, it's going to be on it's 8th model year for 26

It's funny you should ask... easy to criticize since I'm in the cheap seats now.
Been out of automotive for a while but it gave me a lot of appreciation for what's just about the world's biggest group project.

I've bounced around a bit - did product planning at the bankrupt Japanese OEM, validation work at another, crash safety at a Big 3, and competed in SAE autodrive.
Still under NDA for most of this work & with Continental.

I still remember one folder with like 50 different docs to fix misaligned interior trim on the RX - seems simple but brutal to actually do.
An small international army of materials, manufacturing, quality engineers loses sleep everytime there's a rumor of problems.

See the shit they did to root cause the Tundra failures:
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/202...4V381-8150.pdf

Then think about the supply chain, facilities, manufacturing engineering to decide to make and ship 100k long blocks from Japan instead of having dealers rebuild them.

Toyota's investments these days are in the manufacturing and supply chain side so that they can manufacture and ship more hybrids.

For example, Pre-pandemic supply chains enabled TMMC to make 4-5 RAV4H back to back.
Post-pandemic, parts shortage and reduced staffing means they could only make 2 of them... and even then, doing 2 back to back meant pulling staff from another task.

Weld was also another bottleneck for moonroofs which even LE+ trim had.
It's now gated to XLE/XSE.

Crazy to think golden era hondas came with double wishbone front and rear as standard.

Add LSD and some camber plates and you can adjust for any track.

thats the beauty of miata... even the NA miata is double wishbone front amd rear