^what you said is definetly true. However, not everyone can train fasted, as some guys are a bit more insulin sensitive (have fluctuations in their blood sugar levels) during the course of a fasted workout. I personally cant train fasted, ive tried it a few times and i just end up with a shitty workout. A fasted cardio session is fine, its when i start hitting the weights and really start tapping into my glycogen that i start to lose energy. Im not sure if jc95 has ever tried training fasted before, but if he hasnt, id suggest him to try it out and see how it goes. But because he asked "what types of food are good for preworkout" i was assuming he has tried fasted workouts and it wasnt his thing. And besides, i remember reading somewhere that hes a hardgainer, so itll be good for him to get his calories in anyway.

With all these scientific facts, there are always going to be exceptions haha. I personally cant do a workout without having slept for at least 10 hours. A bodybuilder friend of mine, is able to get a nice workout in with 4-6 hours of sleep.

Yup, everyone is different. That's why low carb diets work great for some, but not so good for others. It's also why simply following what other people do doesn't always work for you. You need to learn about how your body works, and adjust accordingly.

I still think virtually everyone can (should?) train fasted, as long as the volume isn't too high. But to each their own :)

Since your friend is a 'bodybuilder' I assume he's on steroids. I wonder what his workouts would be like with 4 hours if he was not on steroids? :suspicious:

haha, i knew this was going to be brought up... yeah he's on a cycle, so i guess it wasn't such a good example afterall lol.... ionno, still 4-6 hours seems to be too less for a good workout...

strykn, how do you think bike has affected your sleep/workout ratios

Some people can get by on little sleep.. for me, 7 hours is enough, and 8 is plenty. More than 9 is impossible, unless I haven't slept for days. My wife needs 9 minimum to function lol

but 4 hours man, that's not much! Does he nap?

He's is not on I answer for him now
Jk jk

If u r on u cycle and just writing off sleep cause u r on cycle that is just stupid.

I get 7-8 hours sleep but I do nap here and there
Sleep has never been a massive factor in my training
I'm all about diet

Not on the ducati yet man. I get 6-8hrs every day cuz I wake up at 6AM... I train at 1 fasted and rip shit up unless im doing huge volume on squats, I get dizzy. Before I added BCAAs i'd have shit workouts but they help so much on an empty stomach

Sleep isn't a big factor for me either. 2-3hrs less than usual the night before doesn't have any noticeable effect on my workouts. Just don't let it mindfuck you into a bad workout. I.e. If you go in thinking you're gonna have a bad workout, chances are you will.

Now if I'm not getting enough sleep for extended periods that's a different story.

Edit: I sleep around 7hrs so 2-3 less means 4-5hrs.

Usually once you're in the gym the excitement of being there takes over and you forget everything else. It's convincing yourself to get into the car and go to the gym that's harder with no sleep/no food lol

2 plate incline bench for 5 reps with very minor spot on the last rep. :feelsgooooooooodman:

Berz out.

i was in no way trying to call you out, i was just maybe asking a question someone else didnt wanna ask ? like if i had asked you what do i eat for some great energy, a better answer for ME woulda been something like eat -insert whatever instantneedles said- and THEN add "but also remember that sleep plays a huge role" as that would have not only answered my question, but giving me even more knowledge. Does that make sense ? haha you give great advice no doubt. :)

i do , i try and learn as much stuff from here and skinny seems to be one who has a lot of great answers to questions i never thought of asking :P

For some odd reason I'm beginning to think the "30 min anabolic window" post workout thing is a myth by supplements companies to sell protein. What do you gurus think

I believe an insulin spike ~30 mins post workout is highly beneficial ... protein I just take around the time I finish my workout just to make sure I get it. Meal timing is mostly bullshit anyways, as long as you're eating enough to grow it shouldn't matter

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Sick pic for ya bras


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Anyone following this? Lol

Bodybuilding.com - 2012 Bodybuilding.com Brolympics: Epic Feats Of Awesome Strength

I hope, "Guile Theme goes with everything (Manliest Handshake in the world)" wins the whole thing.

Lmfao "brolympics"

so theres this new machine at goodlife which measures your height/weight/body fat% ...will post mine in a bit...im disgusted by the % , really open my eyes that i need to work on that diet

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^ nice. Wish my gym had that. Gotta take it with a grain of salt.

That feel when you lose 20 lbs on a cut then get back to pr on OHP 135lbs 3x5. :fullofwin:

Guildford doesn't even have a scale...i dont think

went to gym for a leg and suppliment back day....

felt so stupid, went to calve machine to do some calve raises, looked blindly and I dont see the pin... so i grab another pin and stick it in half way....I felt fucking weak as shit 8 reps in...thought to myself, you're weak as fuck.... 2 sets later, I notice that the pin was set on the very bottom....so i was raising the entire rack...

I felt stupid and happy at the same time. lol

Luder no way your 38% bf lol

Someones been stealing pins at SC... was working in with a guy and we took turns on the pulleys because there was only 1 pin :fuckthatshit: lol

interesting article talking about the whole "weak for his size" phenomenon.

The Myth of Non-Functional Hypertrophy

Also anyone try jumping rope for calves?
I've been doing heavy standing calve raises with legs once a week and then doing 2/3 higher rep sets at home every cpl days plus throwing them in at the end of other workouts. They're definitely going in the right direction but still lagging. Gotta be patient I guess :okay:

My legs didn't wanna wait until tomorrow to get sore. Heavy front squats and back squats right after = dead quads. It was a struggle to even do ham extensions.

On a side note finally got my girlfriend to start doing squats with hip drive :ilied:

Fuck, I just had a shitty workout. Sleep does play such an important role.

The past few weeks, I got a summer part time job warehousing graveyard shifts. For the first while, lack of sleep and lifting seemed fine but I think it's catching up to me.

Gonna make sure I get a good rest and rape the weights at 100% :fullofwin:

Lol never knew goodlife had a machine like that.

Cardio and low carb bro... At 39%, you could even go for 30 min cardio