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winson604 08-11-2021 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 6thGear. (Post 9036137)
Horvats comments are echoing through the team. Everyone's sick of losing but yet half the fanbase was ok with another throwaway season just to get Ericksson,Beagle and Roussell off the books.

I know personally I'm pretty sure I've made the comment on here that I was "ok with" another throw away season but really it was less "ok with" and more "expect and content with" because up until it actually happened I had zero faith in the ability of Jim to be able to get rid of those contracts on his own but shit I was proven wrong.

Not bugged by Peteys comments and I don't think anyone should take that as indication of not wanting to be here. I mean realistically unless someone trades a big contract away what winner has the money to even get him. Excited for the new season let's go boys!

68style 08-11-2021 03:30 PM

It's stupid for people to criticize his comments... what's a professional athlete supposed to say? "I just want to get paid a lot of money, I don't care if we are winning or not"

Imagine the shitstorm if he said that lol... but somehow I feel like some people are ASKING for him to say that

Alpine 08-11-2021 06:40 PM

Imagine being ripped by “fans” saying you want to win as a competitive athlete lol.

whitev70r 08-11-2021 07:54 PM

No issue with what Petey said, the BIG question is whether he thinks this is the team where he has that good chance of winning? The roster is better than last year for sure but is this team 3-4 years away realistically to contend for SC? And if he is willing to be part of the process. I mean look how Giannis stuck with it with the Bucks. Look at McDavid who hasn't even sniffed 2nd round playoffs ... not to mention all those 'star' players in Toronto who have more games under their belt than Petey. How long for Ovi before he won ... how many disappointing playoff exits?

Alpine 08-11-2021 09:40 PM

He doesn’t mean a guaranteed win, he means to be able to compete against the best (ie. make the playoffs and be competitive in them).

Giannis’s team made big moves to try and improve, and they were one of the top teams in the league. Same thing as Ovi. He always had a competitive team that was always at or near the top of the conference.
The McDavid or the Toronto situation is what Petey wants to avoid - a team that can squeak into the playoffs, but doesn’t really stand a chance.

I think JB’s bold moves this off-season is a step in the right direction for someone like petey.

RiceIntegraRS 08-12-2021 12:23 AM

I have no issues with what Petey said at all. Its pretty clear that this is about term. Petey wants options and GMJB doesnt want to let him walk to FA without buying UFA years. Pettersson is a pretty smart guy so he probably doesnt have that much faith in GMJB to make this team as competitive as he wants the team to be. But u dont have to be smart to figure that out. A major percentage of the fanbase thinks Benning is a terrible GM, u think petey is blind to this?

6thGear. 08-12-2021 12:43 AM

Management must realize they can't be wasting the prime years of this teams stars anymore. Who's to say that once Miller and Horvat contracts are up they won't walk if the team still stinks and Petey is stuck here with a bunch of plugs. I'd say good on Petey to speak up and to show his competitiveness

68style 08-12-2021 03:22 PM

Great little story of Jagr preparing to play next season at 50 years old...

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/jarom...-will-judge-me

My favourite line: "It's not easy anymore, believe me, because mostly during my career, I felt that if I wanted to score a goal, I would score. But suddenly, this doesn't work. I have to practise, pay more attention to it and not gain 120kg again"

What a boss. Imagine being so completely good at something that even at a professional level you just assume you can beat everyone if you decide to at any given moment.

Mike Oxbig 08-12-2021 11:19 PM

Shouldve traded Virtanen for Nicolas Deslauriers to protect the young core

We just need to get rid of Tyler Myers for a legit top 4 RHD and we will be true contenders.

Infiniti 08-13-2021 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Oxbig (Post 9036327)
We just need to get rid of Tyler Myers for a legit top 4 RHD and we will be true contenders.

Let me get this straight, you think the Canucks are legit contenders for the SC if they replace Tyler Myers with a top 4 rhd?

spoon.ek9 08-13-2021 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Infiniti (Post 9036335)
Let me get this straight, you think the Canucks are legit contenders for the SC if they replace Tyler Myers with a top 4 rhd?

:lol

murd0c 08-13-2021 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Oxbig (Post 9036327)
Shouldve traded Virtanen for Nicolas Deslauriers to protect the young core

We just need to get rid of Tyler Myers for a legit top 4 RHD and we will be true contenders.

Umm really? You know this isn't NHL 2021 right? lol

Mike Oxbig 08-13-2021 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by murd0c (Post 9036365)
Umm really? You know this isn't NHL 2021 right? lol

Tell me about Tyler Minors

whitev70r 08-13-2021 12:50 PM

Thornton 1 year to Florida Panthers .. chasing that dream.

https://www.tsn.ca/joe-thornton-flor...hers-1.1681232

68style 08-13-2021 03:37 PM

Hahaha might as well go to Florida walk around shirtless all year not giving a fuck

Dirtbag Joe hahaha

murd0c 08-13-2021 04:04 PM

He's going to Florida to retire, can you blame him?

spoon.ek9 08-14-2021 06:09 PM

Dickinson signed for 3 years $2.65M AAV. According to capfriendly, that leaves us with $10.65M to split between Petey and Hughes. With Brock making $5.8M, that definitely doesn't seem fair for two cornerstone players of our franchise. Benning needs to fix this mess before we lose either or both of them.

Word is that term is the main issue outside of cap problems. Petey and Hughes want a contract that walks them to free agency. JB obviously wants to lock them up long term.

Sw0op 08-14-2021 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoon.ek9 (Post 9036521)
Dickinson signed for 3 years $2.65M AAV. According to capfriendly, that leaves us with $10.65M to split between Petey and Hughes. With Brock making $5.8M, that definitely doesn't seem fair for two cornerstone players of our franchise. Benning needs to fix this mess before we lose either or both of them.

Word is that term is the main issue outside of cap problems. Petey and Hughes want a contract that walks them to free agency. JB obviously wants to lock them up long term.

That number isn’t right as it includes like a 24 man roster without petey and Hughes signed…if they want to run 22 players they got about 17.3m not including ferlands cap hit…they can do at least one long term…maybe both but it’ll be tight

People are freaking out but not looking closer at the numbers

spoon.ek9 08-14-2021 08:45 PM

oh hey, you're right. welp, I'm still concerned lol. btw not concerned about petey's recent comments in that interview. absolutely nothing wrong with a guy wanting to win.

Sw0op 08-14-2021 10:07 PM

their agent also said that theyre talking >5 years for Hughes and <5 years for Petey....that would not walk them to UFA's exactly...Hughes would be a UFA in 5 and Petey in 4 right now...it sounds like Hughes wanted something longer like 7-8 years and they were looking at the Barzal deal as a comp @ 3 years for Petey....but thats prob all changed now that there's got more cap space and a definite number to work with

I wonder if a long term deal can be had for Petey @ ~9.5M and Hughes @ ~8M

bobbinka 08-14-2021 11:40 PM

with both EP and QH, we'd have 26 players. if you send 3 league minimum guys down, that's 2mil freed up, add ferland's 3.5mil, and the 10.5mil space we have left right now, that's 16mil for both players. I think that's very doable.

I really don't think money is the issue, it most likely is a term problem. If you look at the roster and see who got signed/extended this year, and who has NTC, it's easy to figure out which players are the only ones that could be moved in order to make cap space. EP and QH would know that asking for too much would mean Bo/Brock/JT might get moved, which would not help their chances of winning.

spoon.ek9 08-15-2021 06:35 AM

Next year cap is still an issue too, don't forget. We have cap recapture on the buyout of Holtby and Jake. Luckily, Luongo's recapture is finally over in '22/'23 season.

CRS 08-17-2021 09:27 AM

I was listening to Dickinson's interview on 650 and he talked about what number he was going to wear. He mentioned that he always wore 11 but for obvious reasons he's not going to wear it.

I looked into it because I didn't know what the obvious reason was then came to this wiki:

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The Vancouver Canucks claimed Maki in the 1970 NHL Expansion Draft. The feisty winger caught on with the team and became one of the franchise's first stars, being among the team's leading scorers both of his full seasons with the team. Maki played two-and-a-half seasons with Vancouver until being diagnosed with brain cancer in December 1972. He died on May 12, 1974, aged 29. The Canucks unofficially retired his number 11 jersey until Mark Messier, who had worn number 11 with the Edmonton Oilers and New York Rangers, joined the team in 1997. The Canucks allowed Messier to wear the number over the protest of Maki's family.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Maki

Props to Dickinson and just cements how much of a fucking asshole Messier was/is.

MG1 08-18-2021 06:10 AM

Fucking Messier. Such a douche. There's a special place in hell for assholes like him. Gawd, I hate that cunt. What he did to Trevor Linden and the Canucks. Then for the Canucks to hire Keenan and bring that dipshit here, adding insult to injury.

Hate is a very strong word and I only hate a handful of people. Messier and David Suzuki at the top of the list.

68style 08-29-2021 01:52 AM

Slow clap for the Hurricanes getting revenge on the Canadiens by offer sheeting Kotkaniemi lol!!

I love the $20.00 signing bonus too. Aho's number is 20... and Kotkaniemi wears 15 which is also the ending amount of the offered salary... just crazy trolling by Carolina....................

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...i-offer-sheet/


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