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Sw0op 07-08-2013 09:30 PM

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Luongo over the years...guess which years schneider was in vancouver

Ch28 07-08-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RRxtar (Post 8277209)
The last 2 years the way a whole bunch of players have been treated has put a bad taste in my mouth regarding the Canucks organization from GM on up. And Aquilini is a serious shyster in the business world, hell, right from the very beginning, he screwed people over to buy the team in the first place.

Someone reported that Luongo isn't upset at Gillis, because he believes that it's actually Aquilini that put GMMG in the position he's in today.

punkwax 07-08-2013 09:41 PM

^ it was part of the Fox interview.

Aquaman has a lot to do with the contract for sure. He wanted to circumvent the cap, Gillis wasn't down but guess who signs the cheques.

We're living some serious Canucks history. People are going to talk about the Luongo fiasco for years to come. Cup or no Cup, it will go down as one of the, if not the biggest clusterfucks in Canucks history.

Vancouver Clusterfucks :lawl:

Ch28 07-08-2013 10:24 PM

Keenan forcing Trevor out of Vancouver will be the biggest clusterfuck in Canucks history.

Ronin 07-08-2013 10:35 PM

Although in the end, the Linden trade was for the best.

punkwax 07-08-2013 10:39 PM

Hard to say..

Was Linden the greatest Canucks player ever? Nope. But you can't question his heart.

Was Luongo the greatest Canucks goalie ever? Yep. But you can question his ability to be clutch in big games.

That being said, goalies are under so much scrutiny. Many times when players don't perform, it goes unnoticed. When a goalie fucks up, he's under the microscope.

Noir 07-08-2013 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ch28 (Post 8277259)
Someone reported that Luongo isn't upset at Gillis, because he believes that it's actually Aquilini that put GMMG in the position he's in today.

I know Luongo is our undisputed goalie now by default and we're supposed to start ass kissing because well... we have no other choice, but Luongo is the one who put himself in that situation, not GMMG nor Aquilini.


He got lazy and complacent when he became a made man. The franchise gave everything but their left nut for this guy. You want a big pay day? Done! You want prestige? You're the captain! You want to feel like this is "your" team? Come to the 2009 draft and we'll clear all our managerial decisions through you!. Even though for the most part, that was for show, there's no doubt what the franchise was willing to give this guy.


The problem is... he played himself out of #1 fair and square. His play put the question mark on management as to who they're better off going forward into the future: Luongo or Schneider?

And let's face it, its not like there was just a one or two year anomaly in his declining play. 'til this day, we're still hoping he can be the same guy we centered this team around, but 2006 is a long long long way away already.




In a way, I can't really put this on the Aquilini's. They're not just hockey team owners, they're shrewd business owners as well. They have one rising asset, and one declining asset. GMMG refused to deal him because he believed Lu's stock will only raise when PO fringe teams of last year will be painted into a corner needing a goalie before trade deadline.

Plain and simple, he was wrong. If you get past the name Luongo (which used to carry so much weight around the league - remember this is the guy that threatened he'll leave NHL if they dared increase net sizes), you really have a goalie nobody wants, and no player really fears anymore.



Aquilini was on the money with his assessment. GMMG was not. Now they're stuck with a goalie they did not want and now GMMG has to backtrack and make it seem to everyone that Luongo was "our" guy all along and the end result was the best result for us.

Noir 07-08-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nodnarb (Post 8277324)
Hard to say..

Was Linden the greatest Canucks player ever? Nope. But you can't question his heart.

Was Luongo the greatest Canucks goalie ever? Yep. But you can question his ability to be clutch in big games.

That being said, goalies are under so much scrutiny. Many times when players don't perform, it goes unnoticed. When a goalie fucks up, he's under the microscope.


I missed this post as I was typing my other.








That's only a partially correct statement; at least for our current era. The scrutiny has a cascading effect.


Luongo isn't always under heavy scrutiny simply because he's the "goalie." He's under heavy scrutiny because he is one of the top earners in the team.

His price tag was $8M (but luckily we got him for $5M due to cap circumventing techniques). When you're asking that kind of dough, there's expectations that come along with that price - and this phenomenon isn't just specific to Luongo - it's all around the league; it's true for others within the team as well. Take a look at the Sedins now... take a look at Kesler. They're starting (if not already) to share equal spotlight in the scrutiny.

stuff99 07-09-2013 09:51 AM

Lu's contract from now until he's 39-40 (assuming he can still play like he does now) isn't bad cap hit wise at $5.3M when you look at the salaries people are paying for their #1 Goalies.

It's just bad from age 41-43 or if he retires early. Hopefully the cap will rise uber high by then and it wouldn't matter.

dinamix 07-09-2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DanHibiki (Post 8276998)
come on damien brunner

Fabian brunner sucks. He didnt do well with the stars or wings.

Mike Oxbig 07-09-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dinamix (Post 8277543)
Fabian brunner sucks. He didnt do well with the stars or wings.

That's not funny, funny guy.

After looking at the cap issue seems more like Kassian will be our 2nd RW and Schroeder as our 2nd C. Richardson-Santorelli-Weise as 4th
With the possibily Higgin-Kesler-Hansen playing shutdown role on the 3rd line, best shut down line in the NHL?



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411ken 07-09-2013 11:34 AM

I'd rather

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Jensen/Kassian
Higgins Gaunce Kassian/Jensen
Richardson Santorelli Hansen

Mike Oxbig 07-09-2013 11:39 AM

Yes... we all rather but Schroeder has better hockey IQ than Kesler (no pass kesler). Schroeder cant do much on the 3rd where as on the 2nd he has offensive upside which can rack up points.

Other than that, Canucks still look like a contender :hat:

spideyv2 07-09-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Earl (Post 8277575)
Yes... we all rather but Schroeder has better hockey IQ than Kesler (no pass kesler). Schroeder cant do much on the 3rd where as on the 2nd he has offensive upside which can rack up points.

Other than that, Canucks still look like a contender :hat:

Kesler had 50 assists in 2009-2010

Schroeder is Andrew Ebbett

Not really racist! 07-09-2013 11:57 AM

did we hire cloutier as a goalie coach? NSIS

referring to instagram post...on mobile so I can't post
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411ken 07-09-2013 11:59 AM

wow..reports saying Rask is almost signed for 7million a year for 8 years... damn.. I wonder how much CS would ask for once his contract is up after a couple years lol

411ken 07-09-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Not really racist! (Post 8277584)
did we hire cloutier as a goalie coach? NSIS

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I know they hired him a goalie consultant last year..


edit: http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=677189

says "Canuck goaltending coaches, Rollie Melanson and Dan Cloutier, two guys who know a thing or two about stopping a puck."

Not really racist! 07-09-2013 12:09 PM

:lawl:

@rask rumors.... guy proved hes elite status in the playoffs this year so I guess he's WAY more proven than Schnoo...single handedly kept the Bs in it in a quite a number of games...quite nice to have Chara as well

schnoo will get even more when the cap goes up granted he can do the same
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Mike Oxbig 07-09-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jayare604 (Post 8277578)

Schroeder is Andrew Ebbett

bs

Cloutier is HOF because he let in the lidstrom goal from the red line :lol

68style 07-09-2013 12:28 PM

I wouldn't go entirely against Schroeder being called the next Ebbett........... I don't know that he will ever stick on this team.

ala Hondaracer, anyone want to bet that Ebbett finishes his NHL career (if it's not already finished) with more points than Schroeder? :lawl:

Hondaracer 07-09-2013 12:37 PM

Lol tempting :troll:
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RiceIntegraRS 07-09-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dinamix (Post 8277543)
Fabian brunner sucks. He didnt do well with the stars or wings.

ban this fucker already. I've never heard of Fabian Brunner. This guy got confused with Fabian Brunstrom snd Damien Brunner
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Not really racist! 07-09-2013 12:50 PM

9 pts vs 64 pts

can JS get 55 pts in 8 yrs? since eb is 30 now and JS is 22
someone take the bet

:lol
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AzNightmare 07-09-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS (Post 8277615)
ban this fucker already. I've never heard of Fabian Brunner. This guy got confused with Fabian Brunstrom snd Damien Brunner
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Brunnstrom is legit... Hat-trick in debut game, and also had 1 disallowed goal in the same game.

:badpokerface:

Ch28 07-09-2013 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Earl (Post 8277554)
That's not funny, funny guy.

After looking at the cap issue seems more like Kassian will be our 2nd RW and Schroeder as our 2nd C. Richardson-Santorelli-Weise as 4th
With the possibily Higgin-Kesler-Hansen playing shutdown role on the 3rd line, best shut down line in the NHL?



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I have no issues with playing the youngsters. We'll never develop them if they aren't given the opportunity to play
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