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When a black friend messages me "sup n*gger, what da faq have u been up to lately?", his context is out of closeness and of course, he's black and he's ok with using the N word.
Nevertheless, by PC standard, I'm supposed to distant myself from accepting let alone using that phrase or even consider myself as his "n*gger" because I ain't black.
that's not the "PC standard". who said you have to feel bad about that? you aren't supposed to use the word, black people can use it however they want.
it's not hard..
So, you are suggesting that it's OK for someone to never use racial slur to be racist (say a manager never hire person with color, but also never use racial languages) rather than someone who's totally racially neutral (say someone who hire whoever best qualified, regardless of skin color and has a black best friend who they address to each other as nxgger) who somehow used racial slur in his writing of a play or something to be forever tagged a racist?
That's how fucked up this whole thing has become in this society. All everyone care is about the facial of things, and pretend that if anyone other than black don't use the N word and anyone who isn't Asian don't say Chin Chon and this would somehow lead to a better, racism free world?
Racism can only be eradicated by properly educating, understanding and embracing of different races. Not by some pretentious thing like "never use the N word and you are going to be good".
Throughout my life, because of the environment I grew up in, I've made friend who are black, aboriginal/native, caucasian, Indians... etc. And do you know how I see them? Just another person. And the amount of racial slur we used in our conversations is hard to count anymore. So I'm sure I'm racist as hell.
I just got sent the video and a link to the guy's google page. His Facebook page has been shut down and his google reviews are in the toilet.
I watched the short clip and I don't see the connection with the white guy and the company. It certainly is not obvious from the clip. So I am to assume that the white guy owns/works for the electrical company and people should shame him ... this is the kind of vigilante social media justice that can go terribly wrong.
You should be ashamed of yourself for circulating and promoting this based on such little evidence. But that's kind of on par for you.
context does matter. if you talk amongst your friends about each other, you can call each other retards, gay, nwords, whatever you want and as long as it stays in that private realm then who is going to complain about it? i don't think too many people here are really disagreeing with you there and saying that that's so bad.
once you go rage at someone in public that you don't know, or even if you do know them and you bring race into it for absolutely no reason, then you are clearly being racist and deserved to be tarred and feathered.
you seem to fall into the first category, so what are you complaining about?
So, you are suggesting that it's OK for someone to never use racial slur to be racist (say a manager never hire person with color, but also never use racial languages) rather than someone who's totally racially neutral (say someone who hire whoever best qualified, regardless of skin color and has a black best friend who they address to each other as nxgger) who somehow used racial slur in his writing of a play or something to be forever tagged a racist?
That's how fucked up this whole thing has become in this society. All everyone care is about the facial of things, and pretend that if anyone other than black don't use the N word and anyone who isn't Asian don't say Chin Chon and this would somehow lead to a better, racism free world?
Racism can only be eradicated by properly educating, understanding and embracing of different races. Not by some pretentious thing like "never use the N word and you are going to be good".
Throughout my life, because of the environment I grew up in, I've made friend who are black, aboriginal/native, caucasian, Indians... etc. And do you know how I see them? Just another person. And the amount of racial slur we used in our conversations is hard to count anymore. So I'm sure I'm racist as hell.
Do you just love to hear yourself talk or something? I got you the first time. No I said no such thing. Go back in read my post again, you might have missed my edit. I don't know how much simpler this can be:
1. Don't be racist
2. Don't use racist language
3. If you must use racist language (and a big IF), do so in private among close friends only. Even then, don't let any of them record, transcribe, or quote you. In fact, just ignore this and stick to rules #1 and #2.
Do you just love to hear yourself talk or something? I got you the first time. No I said no such thing. Go back in read my post again, you might have missed my edit. I don't know how much simpler this can be:
1. Don't be racist
2. Don't use racist language
3. If you must use racist language (and a big IF), do so in private among close friends only. Even then, don't let any of them record, transcribe, or quote you. In fact, just ignore this and stick to rules #1 and #2.
Oh, I'm sure your reply... "Dude...just cut your losses....please." perfectly implied a positive connotation that 1. I got your point and 2. it's ok to use it privately.
But who am I to say that... English is not my first language after all.
By saying context matters goes beyond private conversations. Say a team's name (Redskins) or logo portraying a black person. First we have to understand the context... under WHAT circumstances was the name or logo decided? IF... and a big one at that, it was decided with THE purpose to mock or in ANY malicious way, then for sure... I support it to be changed because the context was wrong in the first place.
people are forgetting that context is the number 1 thing that distinguish a person being racist or not. I applaud the fact that black people are successful at transforming the meaning of the N word, and making it a non racial term amongst themselves.
they use it, you use it, but don't use it in a way that degrades the individual. You can't walk around using the word as a reference to black people. THAT's racist.
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According to Fulton County's DA, This Cop, Garrett Rolfe, harassed Rayshard, who was "sleeping it off" in his car in a Wendy's parking lot
He didn't arrest him, but pulled him out of the car, stood on him while he was on the ground, and kicked him while he was on the ground.
Rayshard escaped the beating, and they chased after him. He'd grabbed a stun gun and shot it at Rolfe, but missed. So Rolfe shot him and murdered him. No medical attention was given, until 2 minutes later when they decided to check up on him. This part was caught on camera.
This is all corroborated by another cop, Devin Brosnan, who will be testifying against him. Brosnan admits to stepping on Rayshard after the shooting. There was no arrest, just a beating, chase, and murder. So now Rolfe be charged with aggravated assault and felony murder.
If this had happened a month ago, or with no witnesses, this would all be swept under the rug.
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Definitely looks different from the DA's description
But the footage doesn't show allegedly what happened after the shooting "standing on him" and not giving medical attention for 2 mins. Also shooting into another car?
Also would like to see what happened beforehand, just to have as much info as possible. If they're going to release the footage, release all of it right? For instance not a single time do wear hear them say he's under arrest. Just that he shouldn't be driving. Also would be good to know if he was compliant before they started putting him in handcuffs
Her (and the 75 y/o white woman who oddly didn't seem to receive much attention) killer, ironically a black man, who likely shouldn't have been out of jail.
Probably the suspect who she reported had sexually assaulted her the day she went missing. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ng/3190606001/
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Definitely looks different from the DA's description
But the footage doesn't show allegedly what happened after the shooting "standing on him" and not giving medical attention for 2 mins. Also shooting into another car?
Also would like to see what happened beforehand, just to have as much info as possible. If they're going to release the footage, release all of it right? For instance not a single time do wear hear them say he's under arrest. Just that he shouldn't be driving. Also would be good to know if he was compliant before they started putting him in handcuffs
This was literally the most cooperative and polite exchange between officers and a citizen for like 41 minutes straight. Shit went south in a split second.
Guy even asked if he could just walk to his sister's place down the street. As soon as they started cuffing him, I guess instincts kicked in that he could die now, and just freaked out.
What a fucking tragedy. Totally avoidable.
I doubt Rolfe will be convicted of murder, though the argument is always there when you shoot someone in the BACK in self defense, so we shall see. At the very least, it's good that it's not just being swept under the rug like how many times, we can't even imagine/
I'll admit, that video is TL;DW, so I didn't watch it. I'll just assume based on the first comment, that the cop treated him respectfully for the first 41 mins. But this is the latest news that I read on this incident:
Brooks was questioned at length by the officers about his sobriety, body-cam and dash-cam footage of the incident showed. As officers moved to arrest Brooks, he pulled away, bringing him and the officers to the ground as he struggled to break free. Footage showed him grabbing one of the officers’ stun guns before appearing to run away.
As Rolfe gave chase, Brooks appeared to turn and point the stun gun at the officer, who pulled out his firearm and shot Brooks.
I mean... it's sensitive times. But if all this was true. I think it's ridiculous to fire this officer and have him charged for murder. I mean do we live in generation snowflake where you can grab an officer's weapon, use it to threaten him, and still expect to just be told nicely to pretty please put it down?
If I don't have all the info, then sure, I could be very well be addressing this situation all wrong. But based on just what I know above, this is absurd and Rayshard isn't a victim.
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“I believe a reasonable person would conclude he was not a threat at that time,” Howard said of Brooks.
LOLwut?? The guy took the taser from the cop and was trying to use it on them...
At what point do we draw the line that when someone has a weapon and is trying to use it against them, can the cop justify shooting back?
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“Mr. Rolfe had disciplinary issues in the past, including a written reprimand in 2016 for another use-of-force incident involving a firearm, according to records released by the Atlanta Police Department. The disciplinary history does not include details of that case, nor those of a number of other episodes in which Mr. Rolfe was involved since his hiring in 2013.
Among the other cases were four citizen complaints, none of which resulted in disciplinary action, and five vehicle accidents, which led to an “oral admonishment” in 2014 and a written reprimand in 2018.
Mr. Rolfe’s record also includes an incident in August 2015 involving the discharge of a firearm, but there is no record of any disciplinary action taken in that case.”
How can Trump even say that police aren’t treated fairly?
They usually get put on paid leave when they do something fucked up then come back like nothing happened.
They’re protected even more than regular citizens.
I’m very curious how it would play out if it were black cops who started killing white people in the same manner. Would it be a problem then?
I really honestly doubt white people would stand for that when they can’t even handle seeing the phrase Black Lives Matters without losing their goddamn minds.
Was is a stun gun or a taser? I thought stun guns had to be physically touching the person and if that's the case who cares if he's pointing it from 8 feet away?
I'll admit, that video is TL;DW, so I didn't watch it. I'll just assume based on the first comment, that the cop treated him respectfully for the first 41 mins. But this is the latest news that I read on this incident:
I mean... it's sensitive times. But if all this was true. I think it's ridiculous to fire this officer and have him charged for murder. I mean do we live in generation snowflake where you can grab an officer's weapon, use it to threaten him, and still expect to just be told nicely to pretty please put it down?
If I don't have all the info, then sure, I could be very well be addressing this situation all wrong. But based on just what I know above, this is absurd and Rayshard isn't a victim.
LOLwut?? The guy took the taser from the cop and was trying to use it on them...
At what point do we draw the line that when someone has a weapon and is trying to use it against them, can the cop justify shooting back?
Shoot to kill isn’t necessary when the person is running away.
They couldn’t shoot him in the leg or the arm to at least get him to stop running?
They didn’t administer aid for 2 minutes.
Given the climate right now, if I was a black man I would be afraid for my life too after 41 minutes of bullshit and 2 cops are starting to grab you and arrest you.
In the video it seems like the cop who had the bodycam on puts his hands on Rayshard and I think in his mind he FREAKS OUT because up until then he’s been calm but now all of a sudden they’re both grabbing him.
Anyways I watched the other video Fafine posted and the issue brought up in that NY times article is the question is if a stun gun is classified as a deadly weapon and if that amount of force was necessary.
In my opinion, they still could have shot to injure him or slow him down. Arm or Leg.
There were 2 cops and he missed with the stun gun.
If one got stunned, the other could still pursue.
What’s the rule if you drink and supposed to drive?
Are you allowed to sober up in your car in a parking lot?
I believe officers are trained to shoot at the torso. If you aim for limbs, which are smaller and have significantly more range of motion, I believe there's more risk to bystanders (misses, ricochets, etc.)
He's running away with a non-lethal weapon, no need to shoot him. Police should only be using deadly force if the individual is proven to be potential deadly threat to others.
^ I see, that makes sense about the risk to bystanders. I must watch too much cop tv where they always disarm the person who has a weapon so now I think that would be the natural better way
Shoot to kill isn’t necessary when the person is running away.
They couldn’t shoot him in the leg or the arm to at least get him to stop running?
They didn’t administer aid for 2 minutes.
This isn’t Hollywood, or a video game! A cop doesn’t have the skill to aim and hit you in the arm/leg, especially if they’re acting on instinct. Not administering aid immediately is terrible though.
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Given the climate right now, if I was a black man I would be afraid for my life too after 41 minutes of bullshit and 2 cops are starting to grab you and arrest you.
Not just the current climate. I’ve seen numerous black media personalities say that ever since birth, they’re taught that they will be treated differently by police. If you’re pulled over, make sure your hands are visible, make sure you tell the officer what you’re doing, etc. Some women said they even cried when they found out they were having a baby boy, knowing that he will grow up to be a black man and face all sorts of racism/discrimination.
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This isn’t Hollywood, or a video game! A cop doesn’t have the skill to aim and hit you in the arm/leg, especially if they’re acting on instinct. Not administering aid immediately is terrible though.
Not just the current climate. I’ve seen numerous black media personalities say that ever since birth, they’re taught that they will be treated differently by police. If you’re pulled over, make sure your hands are visible, make sure you tell the officer what you’re doing, etc. Some women said they even cried when they found out they were having a baby boy, knowing that he will grow up to be a black man and face all sorts of racism/discrimination.
Well that’s a shame that they don’t have that skill considering they are in possession of deadly weapons.
I assumed they would because carrying a gun is a dangerous responsibility.
If they have a gun in their possession every day, shouldn’t they have that responsibility to have that skill under pressure?
But I guess it’s the states? They’ll give anyone a gun.
I dunno, that’s just my opinion though.
Yeah I’ve read that too about it being from birth.
I personally am extra sketchy right now about what I see - the news about black men being found hanging from a tree.
I really don’t think those are suicides.
Seems more like a message to get all the protesting to stop.
If you can't subdue an unarmed person without killing him you should not be a cop. Letting a weapon get away from you makes it even worse.
Let's paint another scenario of an alternate universe. The police officer didn't shoot but kept on chasing, the dude kept on running and injure/kill someone else in the process either by accident or out or scare.
Who's the media gonna blame now given the video footages?
I'm sure the officer can get off the hook completely by saying BLM.
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