George Floyd protests in America

[underscore]

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

Like, there were two officers, let's hesitate and wait. If one officer gets taken out, then the 2nd officer will know to move onto the next step of enforcement accordingly...

Hold up. If there's two officers, where is the second officers tazer?

[Obsideon]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

With this case, it should have NEVER gotten to the handcuff stage ... what the hell was that for? Officer should have offered the guy a ride to his sister's house to sleep off the booze. You gotta know when someone is worth handcuffing and arresting and when someone is not.

I'm assuming the other officer ran his record during the conversation and noticed he had previous offenses so it was more precautionary. Who would have guessed he would have suddenly went 0-100 beast mode?

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

With this case, it should have NEVER gotten to the handcuff stage ... what the hell was that for? Officer should have offered the guy a ride to his sister's house to sleep off the booze. You gotta know when someone is worth handcuffing and arresting and when someone is not.

Many states and provinces don’t allow you to sleep in your vehicle while drunk and it’s considered a DUI in many of those areas. I don’t know if that’s the case in Georgia, but if it’s treated as a DUI, I would imagine it’s protocol to take the individual into custody and have a blood sample taken at the station.

I don’t personally agree with that law (along with several other draconian DUI laws; BC having some of the strictest, most draconian laws in North America), but I don’t blame the officer if he was enforcing the law. It’s up to law makers to institute laws that make sense for society as a whole.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Jmac

Many states and provinces don’t allow you to sleep in your vehicle while drunk and it’s considered a DUI in many of those areas. I don’t know if that’s the case in Georgia, but if it’s treated as a DUI, I would imagine it’s protocol to take the individual into custody and have a blood sample taken at the station.

I don’t personally agree with that law (along with several other draconian DUI laws; BC having some of the strictest, most draconian laws in North America), but I don’t blame the officer if he was enforcing the law. It’s up to law makers to institute laws that make sense for society as a whole.

According to this article where legal experts watch the whole scene, the police had the option to let him go.

Up to that point, police had not administered a breathalyzer test. Harris said that test may not have been necessary if Brooks was willing and able to walk home, therefore not endangering the public by driving while impaired.

“It might be that lots of officers would make the arrest anyway. But there is a choice being made here. The police do not have to arrest him. They don’t even have to give him a breath test,” Harris said. The officer could have said “OK, leave the car there, leave the keys with me and I’ll drive the keys over to sister’s house and you walk home. Or I’ll give you a ride or get an Uber or whatever.

“Nobody says he has to make an arrest here. The law does not require it.”

This is an example of what I was talking about earlier - Cops acting more like social workers in keeping the streets safe, rather than enforcers.

[Ferra]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

With this case, it should have NEVER gotten to the handcuff stage ... what the hell was that for? Officer should have offered the guy a ride to his sister's house to sleep off the booze. You gotta know when someone is worth handcuffing and arresting and when someone is not.

Is this sarcasm I am not getting?

You want the cops to let go of a man who's been drinking and driving, and give him a ride home?

[whitev70r]

No, not sarcasm. He was drunk, PARKED in a Wendy's lot. Situation was under control for a good 30 -40 mins. Leave the car in the lot, give the guy a ride home (or his sister''s), give the guy a break, hope he learns his lesson, you've settled the situation. You go home to your family, he goes home, you're not charged for murder.

In this climate, a white cop giving a black man a break would have turned out 1000x better than how they actually went about it.

[Obsideon]

From what I read, he was literally passed out in the drive-thru lane. So he drove there wasted and was clearly still attempting to drive.
How is that any different from getting caught driving through a Granville bridge road block drunk? Do you expect the VPD there to ask you nicely to step out so they can chauffeur you home and tuck you in?

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Obsideon

From what I read, he was literally passed out in the drive-thru lane. So he drove there wasted and was clearly still attempting to drive.
How is that any different from getting caught driving through a Granville bridge road block drunk? Do you expect the VPD there to ask you nicely to step out so they can chauffeur you home and tuck you in?

Without getting into personal details, I can tell you that I know people who have been pulled over in various states of drunkenness, and have been let off with warnings. (not anyone FN though, never heard of that happening although I'm sure it's happened)

Meanwhile I got suspended for my N sign falling over, 1 week after they were introduced (and also accused of being high, because I was in a good mood)

[whitev70r]

For those of you who are familiar with the story Les Miserables? Who is the hero of the story? Javert, law and order police? The priest who gave Jean Valjean a break and the candlesticks to make a better life? Or, Jean Valjean, who turned his life around because of that one act of kindness?

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by Xu.Vi

It also took me many posts to understand that a public forum for cars isn't the right place to be having a mature, educated, and informed discussion about this. Which probably explains why I don't normally check or post on the scene.

I'm going to hop back off of this. I wish that those reading have learned something from our posts or took a perspective they're not normally comfortable taking. I appreciate the time you've put into your replies.

You are in my boat Xu, I feel exactly the same.

I appreciate your posts though, you clearly have a deep background on this subject, and you've taken the time to post very clear concise points and arguments. As Skinny had said earlier, we all have busy lives, and you've taken the time to have a respectful discussion, along with providing non-anecdotal facts.

Much respect to you, and I'm glad we have people like you working in the DTES.

[mikemhg]

I'm really conflicted about the shooting in Atlanta.

On one hand, I find it quite telling that the other officer is testifying against the officer that opened fire. That takes a high level of intestinal fortitude, as I have no doubt that officer will be ostracized for taking that stance. Something must've been fishy if that officer is willing to put his job on the line to testify against his partner.

One has to wonder as well, if the man was white, would that officer have been more lenient? How often do we see white kids that commit petty crimes, and get a mere slap on the hand, meanwhile when we see a black kid commit the same crime, he's charged as an adult, and slapped with a life ending felony? We watched a documentary last night on that very subject, in fact.

In my opinion, you should never try and fight the police when getting arrested, that in itself is a death sentence. Why is the guy even being arrested? I've seen many friends get a DUI and go home in a cab right from the scene, the guy wasn't driving, suspend his license, tow the car, and call it a day.

Him fighting the cop, and running away with a taser was his death sentence, and that's why I'm conflicted on that one. At the end of the day though, he was running away, not running at the officer. So why open fire? Is that REALLY necessary? It's the same way the police here in Canada will not chase a fleeing vehicle, it's dangerous and puts others at risk, it's far easier to simply show up at the guy's house when it's all said and done.

Why not let the guy piss off, you have all his information, pick him up later that night for fleeing arrest. To open fire and kill him as your first option, meanwhile you have another officer with you as backup? It doesn't make sense.

I realize cops are humans too, but if you join that particular line of work, you are held to a higher standard. When a doctor botches a surgery, do we simply say "Oh well, he's only human". Of course not, doctors are held at an extremely high standard where there is very little room for mistakes.

Why aren't police held to that same standard?

Either way, here we are arguing about this one, where in the same state Ahmaud Arbery was shot dead in cold blood simply for jogging in broad daylight by an ex-police officer/investigator, with two district attorneys, and a judge who tried to cover it up.

We've seen hangings over the last few weeks that have initially been concluded as suicides, with the families pushing for further investigations. As a black man, who the hell hangs themselves from a tree nowadays, no chair, or anything? It seems very odd, given the history in the US. In New York, some people are putting up hanging nooses from trees.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-black-brother

https://www.ajc.com/news/people-colo...vRYn4Zqw0f1gL/

Stinks like a cover up to me, and I don't blame them, if it comes out that these men were killed in modern-day lynchings, there will be absolute hell to pay.

All of these issues are so obviously apparent here that the arguments in this thread seem all too ridiculous.

[welfare]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I realize cops are humans too, but if you join that particular line of work, you are held to a higher standard. When a doctor botches a surgery, do we simply say "Oh well, he's only human". Of course not, doctors are held at an extremely high standard where there is very little room for mistakes.

Why aren't police held to that same standard?

There are hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by medical malpractice in the states. It's like the third leading cause of death.
Canada's numbers are about the same when adjusting for population.
If doctors operated at the same level of standard as police, we'd be lucky.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by welfare

There are hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by medical malpractice in the states. It's like the third leading cause of death.
Canada's numbers are about the same when adjusting for population.
If doctors operated at the same level of standard as police, we'd be lucky.

Where are you seeing that? If you search this for "Complications of medical and surgical care" it's the lowest for the few groups it's even listed for. They add up to something like 29 per 100k people.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/n...r68_06-508.pdf

[welfare]

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news...eath_in_the_us

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by Manic!

I just got sent the video and a link to the guy's google page. His Facebook page has been shut down and his google reviews are in the toilet.

Manic! You must be happy in contributing to the escalation between these 2 families and their businesses ... with a lot of collateral damage along the way. You're a DB and hopefully, mods will delete these kinds of posts in the future and not add to this kind of online vigilante justice. It's online violence ... there is no other way to describe it.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/shocking-video...tism-1.4990904

The Cheemas received negative reviews of their business on social media, and Riddoch posted the surveillance video on Saturday.

Karn Cheema posted his father’s cellphone video in response. That has been shared at least 300,000 times on various platforms.

And the backlash involved threats to Riddoch’s father’s business, vandalism, and “explicit threats to violently attack, sexually assault and murder myself and my family,” Riddoch posted.

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Manic! You must be happy in contributing to the escalation between these 2 families and their businesses ... with a lot of collateral damage along the way. You're a DB and hopefully, mods will delete these kinds of posts in the future and not add to this kind of online vigilante justice. It's online violence ... there is no other way to describe it.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/shocking-video...tism-1.4990904

The Cheemas received negative reviews of their business on social media, and Riddoch posted the surveillance video on Saturday.

Karn Cheema posted his father’s cellphone video in response. That has been shared at least 300,000 times on various platforms.

And the backlash involved threats to Riddoch’s father’s business, vandalism, and “explicit threats to violently attack, sexually assault and murder myself and my family,” Riddoch posted.

Kayl Riddoch, seen in the video, said the racist comments he said were made in the heat of the moment and were out of character.

“I will never forget what I did and I will feel shame and regret over this forever,” he said.

He's only sorry that he was caught.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Manic! You must be happy in contributing to the escalation between these 2 families and their businesses ... with a lot of collateral damage along the way. You're a DB and hopefully, mods will delete these kinds of posts in the future and not add to this kind of online vigilante justice. It's online violence ... there is no other way to describe it.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/shocking-video...tism-1.4990904

The Cheemas received negative reviews of their business on social media, and Riddoch posted the surveillance video on Saturday.

Karn Cheema posted his father’s cellphone video in response. That has been shared at least 300,000 times on various platforms.

And the backlash involved threats to Riddoch’s father’s business, vandalism, and “explicit threats to violently attack, sexually assault and murder myself and my family,” Riddoch posted.

Is the white guy your buddy? Just like Jagmeet Singh, I will not let racists hide. I will post every time it happens.

[StylinRed]

With regard to Rayshard Brooks, he was drunk, and parked blocking the drive thru, really he should've just been thrown in the drunk tank for the night, or in an extremely ideal world, taken home to sleep it off.

The former is what was going to happen, but he wasn't just running away with a stolen police weapon, he pointed it at police, and supposedly fired it too, that prompts an instantaneous reaction, thanks to training, the officer has no time to reason out the possibilities.

I don't believe the charges will stick, I think the only reason he was even charged is due to the current climate, because the video evidence itself exonerated the officer.

And for the Surrey incident, I'm shocked he'd dare to be so grossly racist against South Asians there, you know he's only sorry because that video was uploaded.

[unit]

Originally Posted by Ch28

He's only sorry that he was caught.

that's a bingo. the guy was doubling down on his hateful shit for days after the videos were out on facebook. even his mom was backing him. POS family, only sorry they felt the consequences. saying racist shit in the heat of the moment doesn't make you less of a racist. you could just call people fucking assholes or tell them you fucked their mum last night like a normal person.

[Jmac]

CTV bleeps swears in video then types them out uncensored in the story.

[Phozy]

Yup, the privilege is palpable. Trying to shame the business and not handling it like adults...POS and only sorry they're caught.

[twitchyzero]

are these the people we banging our pots for at 7pm?

reports of health-care staff playing a racist game betting on the blood alcohol level of mainly Indigenous patients they were treating

https://globalnews.ca/news/7085230/b...ner_persistant

less off topic, uncle ben's also changing up their branding

That reticence can be traced to the contentious history of Uncle Ben as the black face of a white company, wearing a bow tie evocative of servants and Pullman porters and bearing a title reflecting how white Southerners once used “uncle” and “aunt” as honorifics for older blacks because they refused to say “Mr.” and “Mrs.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/b...c2daa5&ei=5070

interestingly in asian circles, uncle/aunty is what you call friends and acquaintances your parents age out of respect

in b4 justice bao is unacceptable

Spoiler!

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Is the white guy your buddy? Just like Jagmeet Singh, I will not let racists hide. I will post every time it happens.

I've been harping on vigilante justice a number of times here. The issue isn't whether I liked what the white guy did or not, whether he apologized because he was caught or his parents whoooped his ass into it. I think the dude in the video is a DB as well ... kind of like you .... but I still wouldn't post shit like that and bring his family business down.

[unit]

if you saw the fb posts on the topic, his family chimed in and supported his behavior.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

I've been harping on vigilante justice a number of times here. The issue isn't whether I liked what the white guy did or not, whether he apologized because he was caught or his parents whoooped his ass into it. I think the dude in the video is a DB as well ... kind of like you .... but I still wouldn't post shit like that and bring his family business down.

As soon as you bring race into it all bets are off. Maybe if his parents raised him better but his parents are no different. I am not going to coddle a piece of shit racist. The fact you want to protect a racist speaks volumes.