[AzNightmare]

well coaching fail if they put Schneider in prematurely
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[lilaznviper]

skinny since you're attention is in this thread atm

are enterprise drives worth it or should i go for something like a WD Red? (to rip n store my blu-rays)





should still be hopeful maybe they'll win the next 4 games :okay:

if its only for storage then WD greens

[Sentinel]

Total bullshit
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[Not really racist!]

This is gonna get real ugly if they don't start handing out some misconducts

[SkinnyPupp]

Schneider is still the better goalie long term but he should have never started this game
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Truth is it doesn't fucking matter who is in net when the team can't score more than 1 goal a game

[pastarocket]

The wheels have come off the Canuckmobile. Bye bye AV!
I hope your coaching logic does not mess up another playoff bound team.
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[Mike Oxbig]

MG is a butt hurt GM not signing erhoff and torres.

erhoff helped move the puck up rushes and made players around him better

torres sparked energy on the bottom 6 line constantly

[dL]

So did anyone buy game 5 tickets?

dL
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[AzNightmare]

I'm never picking canucks in my pool again. Even if they lose, at least get some goal and points.
What a fkn waste of my picks and money
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[cctw]

every year we lose in the playoffs because we take stupid penalties and our penalty kill is subpar..

[civicyvr]

Hard to watch our team like this but will not turn the game off.

Let's see who still have heart and drive to compete.

[StylinRed]

oh come on.... sigh

[cctw]

So did anyone buy game 5 tickets?

dL
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yup..bought them before game 1 even started...now I hope they lose in 4 so I don't waste money to see them lose in 5

[MG1]

Still twelve minutes left.........gonna continue to watch the game. Want to see their sad faces at the end of the game.

[StylinRed]

looks like it was right on the line

[spoon.ek9]

lol possible penalty shot, who gives a shit. end it.

[dL]

yup..bought them before game 1 even started...now I hope they lose in 4 so I don't waste money to see them lose in 5

I actually don't know. What happens? Do they refund you, credit or it hasn't been paid yet? If you know lol...

dL
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[SkinnyPupp]

Oh great here comes a penalty shot, which they'll miss, and give the crowd even more to cheer about

[StylinRed]

rofl ouch

[Not really racist!]

Probably a penalty shot

[MarkyMark]

lol even though the games over we still get fucked

[MG1]

I'm never picking canucks in my pool again. Even if they lose, at least get some goal and points.
What a fkn waste of my picks and money
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Was at Superstore in Richmond yesterday and saw this old Chinese dude cash in his ticket at the Lotto centre. He bet against the Canucks and won more than a bit of money.

[AzNightmare]

BS. no penalty shot?
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[Not really racist!]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

We totally dont' deserve to win at all but somebody should call out the refs even tho they'll get fined

[dL]

Look at us! We have offense now!!!






cuz the other team is playing AV style. lol.

dL
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[Hondaracer]

Was gonna bet San Jose tonight Don Taylor style but didnt end up doing it
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[cctw]

I actually don't know. What happens? Do they refund you, credit or it hasn't been paid yet? If you know lol...

dL
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you get refunded

[Teriyaki]

That is pretty bs that there is no penalty shot atleast. Not that it would've mattered, but principal of the matter.

[SkinnyPupp]

Looks like everyone here got the line combinations they wanted finally

[Sentinel]

After the game, AV should fix up his resume and start applying for some non-coaching jobs.

[AzNightmare]

yep. Luongo wants his job back.

That was a sick glove save
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[pure.life]

The playoffs are about character and will to win. Canucks don't have any. Not anymore. 2011 hurt them more than what they make you believe.
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[dL]

After the game, AV should fix up his resume and start applying for some non-coaching jobs.

He can be pretty good for a PR type job. lol. Very impressed with his post game.

dL
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[kristianhay]

Down 5-1, make changes to the lines now. Yes - you got it! That's the way to coach.

Can't wait to see this smug fucking face gone. Jesus.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4392/4431114958461jh106bosto.jpg

[Not really racist!]

I should go on CDC and HFBoards right now for the lulz...

Bet u its going ape shit

[van19]

Fucking AV. Get out now.
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[cliffhanger33]

Awesome
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[pastarocket]

After the game, AV should fix up his resume and start applying for some non-coaching jobs.

I hope that AV's coaching logic and thinking process does not mess up a customer's order
of poutine or large fries. :-p
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[spideyv2]

I should go on CDC and HFBoards right now for the lulz...

Bet u its going ape shit

Lol it's loading so slowly
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[spoon.ek9]

i want torres to get another goal, he deserves success.

[CorneringArtist]

I hope that AV's coaching logic and thinking process does not mess up a customer's order
of poutine or large fries. :-p
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Instills his system at a New York Fries, puts cheese curds in deep fryer to make the fries better :troll:.

[StylinRed]

rofl


considering the news about sport fixing and corrupt refs in international/league soccer should we really be surprised by questionable calls in hockey/basketball/football

[Sentinel]

yay.

[StylinRed]

woooooo... if that last one was given at least a penalty shot id feel good about watching the rest of this game

[figure.09]

yay a goal

[dL]

ROY makes AV look good. That guy deserves to stay next year.

dL
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[Not really racist!]

HAMMER!!

[cliffhanger33]

Come back time :troll:
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[Inaii]

i want torres to get another goal, he deserves success.

Lol I still yell at the tv whenever they put him on the ice "Noooo! Don't put Torres on! He keeps forgetting he's not a canuck anymore!" :lol

[EmperorIS]

I guess SJ gonna win the Stanley Cup
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[MG1]

HAMMER!!

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb75/89blkcivic/Canucks/hammer.jpg

[dL]

LOL penalty again? Is this playoff?

dL
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[pastarocket]

Instills his system at a New York Fries, puts cheese curds in deep fryer to make the fries better :troll:.

That's funny man. I laughed and smiled more from your post than from tonight's disaster.
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[AzNightmare]

dumb penalty by kassian again.
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[cliffhanger33]

Lol fuckkng reffs so soft
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[Teriyaki]

Roy is worth his salt. Really hope he'll stay on next year.

[CorneringArtist]

Did we suddenly summon the powers of Ben Eager circa 2011?

[mb_]

Too little too late

[MG1]

Making fun of the Canucks to hide the hurt deep, deep, down inside. Like the snot embedded in that guy in the other gross thread.

[Simulated]

while i agree that AV is likely going to be let go this year and thankfully, does anyone else think MG should shoulder some of the blame too? if so, enough for him to get let go too?

just looking at his string of moves since the 2011 cup run, i cannot say that he has done what is needed to put this team over the top or at least keep us competitive.

[Expresso]

Does anyone still think that the sedins are playoff performers. These guys just are just here for the ride. Somebody else has to carry this team.

[kristianhay]

Of course GMMG should shoulder some blame. He's done very little to improve the team over the past 2 seasons, I wouldn't be overly sad to see him gone. A retooling from the top down would be nice to see.

[Hondaracer]

Fire AV and MG, hire Pierre McGuire and Patrick Roy

Profit
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[Not really racist!]

fire MG, fire AV, fire NB, fire RB

acquire Burke and Ruff...

[SkinnyPupp]

while i agree that AV is likely going to be let go this year and thankfully, does anyone else think MG should shoulder some of the blame too? if so, enough for him to get let go too?

just looking at his string of moves since the 2011 cup run, i cannot say that he has done what is needed to put this team over the top or at least keep us competitive.
Canucks fan logic

Blame the refs
Blame the goalie
Blame the coach
Blame the players?
No, it's the GM's fault for hiring these players
Blame the GM

[Sentinel]

After the 2011 run and last year's first round knock out. MG learned a little bit from it; acquire some size which he did. However, AV did not learn shit from them. Trusting his own instincts of using retarded players(Rome, Alberts, Ebbett), instead of using Ballard, CoHo, Schroeder.

AV better be gone after this, total bullshit if they decided to keep him.

[Teriyaki]

Heard patrick roy is headed to avalanche

[pastarocket]

Of course GMMG should shoulder some blame. He's done very little to improve the team over the past 2 seasons, I wouldn't be overly sad to see him gone. A retooling from the top down would be nice to see.

+1. We need a rebuild of the first line. New parts are needed for the Canuckmobile.
New players are needed to steer this team to be a legit Cup contender.
It starts with a new coach and a veteran GM.
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[Boostslut]

As bad as the Canucks look, the Sharks are playing great. Have to give them some credit.

[spoon.ek9]

i do blame gillis a little for not being able to do more before the deadline. look at last year, who did we get? pahlsson. what did he do for us? nothing. look at this year, we get Roy and unfortunately, not much going there either.

[Not really racist!]

Hansen y u no score the empty netter :(

[spoon.ek9]

Hansen y u no score the empty netter :(

haha oh god, let's not play "what if". sigh :/

[kristianhay]

Jeff Paterson ‏@patersonjeff 5m
AV's status with #Canucks: day to day

:fullofwin:

[Mike Oxbig]

Higgins signing is still a mistake for 2.5mill 4 yrs.

Canucks need to some do something about the Sedin's... Philly traded Richards and Carter during their prime.

[OGCStrike]

:fullofwin:

i see what he did there :awwyeah:

[Not really racist!]

#FireAV trending on twitter

luls

[Simulated]

Canucks fan logic

Blame the refs
Blame the goalie
Blame the coach
Blame the players?
No, it's the GM's fault for hiring these players
Blame the GM

when the ship is sinking of course someone is to blame. right now its pretty obvious that the players shit the bed here but there's nothing wrong to examine from the top down as well and i think its completely fair to criticize MG/AV.

[hotshot1]

Fuck, this sucks.

I really liked what Gillis has done since he got here but his recent moves have sucked - stuff like not solving the Luongo issue, keeping Ballard and his 4.2m in the press box, and not getting another 6/7th defenseman at the deadline (I mean come on, anyone would have been better than Barker - he got waived by an AHL team!).

This team is still good enough to get into the playoffs but not good enough to win it all. IMO that's the worst position to be in. You can't have 12.2m in the Sedins not show up in the playoffs every single year. I hope they go for a full-on rebuild.

[SkinnyPupp]

when the ship is sinking of course someone is to blame. right now its pretty obvious that the players shit the bed here but there's nothing wrong to examine from the top down as well and i think its completely fair to criticize MG/AV.
It seems like everyone wants to blame everyone BUT the players though. They just can't get it done... is it the coaches fault? GM? Maybe, but why not look at the actual players for once?

Like I said before, if they weren't in the retard division, they would probably not even be in the playoffs this year. They have benefited from being in the retard division for the last 3-4 seasons, which is why those presidents trophies are essentially meaningless. And it's especially the case in this shortened season where you play your division even more than usual.

[Not really racist!]

Vancouver Canucks ‏@VanCanucks 46s
"For two periods we played a good game, then they came at us. We've got to be calmer, we were right there again tonight" Henrik Sedin

fuck man..... really?

[spoon.ek9]

well, guess i'll try to sleep now. work tmrw :lol :okay:

[rsx]

brutal.

[Akinari]

lol, was watching the game with a couple buddies at a restaurant, left after the 2nd period as we pretty much knew the rest wouldn't be worth watching. Seriously, AV's got to go.

[punkwax]

Higgins signing is still a mistake for 2.5mill 4 yrs.

Canucks need to some do something about the Sedin's... Philly traded Richards and Carter during their prime.

Higgins at 2.5 is just fine.

And Philly missed the playoffs.

So... :stfu:

[Not really racist!]

Farhan Lalji ‏@FarhanLaljiTSN 1m
Luongo as always, very supportive of Schneider. Re game 4 "Its his (Cory's) team. Whatever happens ill be ready" #canucks

respect to LU


Vancouver Canucks ‏@VanCanucks 5m
"Down 3-0, our lifelines are gone. We can't mess up anymore. We need to score more, we need more of everything." - Jannik Hansen

[pastarocket]

Who should the Canucks hire as the new head coach?

Lindy Ruff? Guy Boucher?

[civicyvr]

After the 2011 run and last year's first round knock out. MG learned a little bit from it; acquire some size which he did. However, AV did not learn shit from them. Trusting his own instincts of using retarded players(Rome, Alberts, Ebbett), instead of using Ballard, CoHo, Schroeder.

AV better be gone after this, total bullshit if they decided to keep him.

I would agree with this.

Doesn't matter how well the kitchen is stocked if you have a shitty chef.

[Simulated]

It seems like everyone wants to blame everyone BUT the players though. They just can't get it done... is it the coaches fault? GM? Maybe, but why not look at the actual players for once?

Like I said before, if they weren't in the retard division, they would probably not even be in the playoffs this year. They have benefited from being in the retard division for the last 3-4 seasons, which is why those presidents trophies are essentially meaningless. And it's especially the case in this shortened season where you play your division even more than usual.

absolutely! i do agree its on the players for failing the past couple of years. however, if the players sucking is the main problem, they certainly can't trade themselves. regardless, there will be a change this year and its always going to be the coach first. i would be surprised if AV is still here next year.

also, the NW division may be retarded but in the president trophy years, the canucks do have an excellent record against the central and pacific divisions too.

[Mike Oxbig]

Higgins at 2.5 is just fine.

And Philly missed the playoffs.

So... :stfu:

stfu brandon! (backwards for Nodnarb) :lol

?-Kesler-?
Sedin Sedin Kassian
Higgins -? -?
?-Lappy-?

[spideyv2]

AV will win the cup one day

The Calder Cup
As an equipment manager

[Not really racist!]

This team is fucking done, there's like no accountability

Down 0 - 2 and and we're "right there" and "still in it" when we're clearly playing like shit okay.

They talk so much about how they know what to do and nothing truly happens

[dL]

Feels good to beat some Sharks on NHL13 online...

dL
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[cctw]

from first 3 games of stats.. Canucks would need to score at least 4 goals to win a game against the sharks...but we only have 5 goals total in 3 games..LOL

[rsx]

"it is what it is" - av

WTF. Own up you sack of turd.

[Mike Oxbig]

trade Sedin's to ANA for Ryan & Palmieri, Brian Burke approves!

[spideyv2]

Henrik "We've got to be calmer"

O ok

[Tapioca]

The Sedins/Luongo era of Canucks hockey is over. It was a lot of fun, but now, it's time to clean house.

New GM, new coach, sell whatever assets are marketable. All of it. 2-3 years of being in the tank will help restock the cupboard.

[Not really racist!]

Dhiren Mahiban ‏@dcmahiban 14m
#SJSharks Joe Thornton post-game "We're lucky not to be playing Lu to be honest with you" #VANvsSJS #NHLPlayoffs

http://img.pandawhale.com/58917-Shaq-video-camera-whoa-oh-gif-1jyY.gif

[Mike Oxbig]

clean house next seasons, tank tank for connor mcdavid (next crosby, tavares)

Scout's Perch: McDavid showing signs of becoming "The Real Deal" - Hockey's Future (http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/80623/scouts-perch-mcdavid-showing-signs-of-becoming-the-real-deal/)

[hypediss]

Henrik "We've got to be calmer"

O ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhmKxa_FMkU

I AM CALM :fuckthatshit:

[TjAlmeida]

AV's coaching is predictable and poor.

Lose av, trade luongo, and maybe see what kind returns the Sedin's could gather.

[rsx]

I fucking agree.

I've never liked the Sedins. Regular seasons performer nothing more. No fire, no drive, no grit when it counts.

Get rid of Kesler too. Shows up whenever he wants and is a nominee in the bandaid boy committee.

[theevilslave]

Fire AV, hire Pierre McGuire. Yeah!

All jokes aside, Canucks should rather look to bolster their future prospects rather than go for a drastic overhaul of roster over the summer. I mean, schroeder is good and all but it's hard to see him take over as a more offensive threat down the road. And plus.. he's ONE player. And let's be honest the current Canuck 'stars' ain't young.

[Tapioca]

The current crop of players just can't get it done. If they can't play for their coach, they should at least play for themselves and they haven't been able to do that.

I wanted this group to win. They should have in 2011 - that was their year. The window is now closed. Blow it up.

[Nabatron]

well at least i got my wish and it took AV two games to figure it out that ebbett is trash! In other situations AV gets out coached every game and doesn't know what to do to make this team win anymore...

[sekin67835]

watched the game live today. Man was the croud loud. I felt like we had some good attacks this game but the plays were all too predictable. Dump in and chase? the Sharks were at the other corner waiting already. Pass the blue line and wait? 3 sharks zone in to try to take the pass. It didn't help when we took stupid penalties. Powerplay is also a problem. You see the every shark player moving and changing positions to get the Canucks scrambling. Canucks? What powerplay? Keep the puck cycling the outer boards and wait for something magical to happen. They tried the same play that they used in the previous game (With Kesler on the top getting the shot) but that didn't work. Seeing them getting into the zone was even more . It's like they've been taught not to even try to go into middle ice and instead stay on the sides and get crushed on the boards. Another thing i noticed was that the Sharks were playing a much more intense game. They skated harder and even blocked more shots. Don't know what the Canucks can do but hopefully they can pull through this or change the way they play.

[spideyv2]

watched the game live today. Man was the croud loud. I felt like we had some good attacks this game but the plays were all too predictable. Dump in and chase? the Sharks were at the other corner waiting already. Pass the blue line and wait? 3 sharks zone in to try to take the pass. It didn't help when we took stupid penalties. Powerplay is also a problem. You see the every shark player moving and changing positions to get the Canucks scrambling. Canucks? What powerplay? Keep the puck cycling the outer boards and wait for something magical to happen. They tried the same play that they used in the previous game (With Kesler on the top getting the shot) but that didn't work. Seeing them getting into the zone was even more . It's like they've been taught not to even try to go into middle ice and instead stay on the sides and get crushed on the boards. Another thing i noticed was that the Sharks were playing a much more intense game. They skated harder and even blocked more shots. Don't know what the Canucks can do but hopefully they can pull through this or change the way they play.

you're in san jose right now?? lucky fucker, haha

[subordinate]

The only way to win now....

Fire AV TMR.

Let the players fight for something, or fight for nothing.....

lol....

[RevYouUp]

Don't worry kassian will develop in a couple of years and carry us all the way
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[sekin67835]

you're in san jose right now?? lucky fucker, haha

yeah man was cheering for Canucks when burrows scored and i got jeered at LOL :accepted:

[spideyv2]

Don't worry kassian will develop in a couple of years and carry us all the way
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http://i.imgur.com/uhvLw.gif

[bensta]

all i can say is, i hope there is some very drastic changes this off season.

its well overdue.

[SkinnyPupp]

There can't be too many drastic changes, most guys have no trade clauses.

They'll can AV for sure, and trade Lu for a bag of pucks... Aside from that, there's not much more they can do

[SkinnyPupp]

Vancouver Canucks ‏@VanCanucks 46s
"For two periods we played a good game, then they came at us. We've got to be calmer, we were right there again tonight" Henrik Sedin

fuck man..... really?
Someone needs to make a video medley of Henrik saying "we played a great game" - using losses only.

[Nabatron]

This is what I can see happen AV gets fired...Gillis gets one more shot and if he fucks up is fired, after they lose in the first round Gillis tries to get raffi in the off season but raffi refuses contract of 3.5 mill plus haha, we re-sign shit holes like ebbett and raymond. Gillis trades schnieder for some no one. Lu demands a trade too doesn't get it since contract is an albatross. Lack starts Lu rides the pine and we miss the playoffs...following year Sedins retire go back to Sweden, Gillis is fired we re hire burke and we go in to rebuild mode. Be like the leafs don't make the playoffs for 9 years....

[SkinnyPupp]

Anyone know if they are realigning the divisions next season? Because if they are, get ready for an even bigger reality check than this series.

[subordinate]

Anyone know if they are realigning the divisions next season? Because if they are, get ready for an even bigger reality check than this series.

I thought it was already confirmed. Hmmm

[SkinnyPupp]

I thought it was already confirmed. Hmmm
It is, not sure what it will be though

[winson604]

We'll be in a division with Anaheim, LA, SJ among others. Lots of tough games to be had.
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[AzNightmare]

I was pretty frustrated to see Garrison still not being switched up first unit PP.
Especially on that 4 on 3, much more open space and easier to get an open lane to unleash his bomb.

AV's gotta be able to make those kind of changes on the spot.
imo, when Canucks didn't score there, their small window was done for the game.

Canucks basically need to win four 1-0 games now if they want to pull out of this.
Get one lucky goal and hang on to dear life, hoping Luongo (or Schneider) plays flawlessly.

Pretty sad when you think of the only way our team can win.

[SkinnyPupp]

We'll be in a division with Anaheim, LA, SJ among others. Lots of tough games to be had.
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Here it is, apparently

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2234799/nhl-realignment-bigger.png

Still have the goofball teams in Alberta, but LA, SJ, and Anaheim? :heckno:

I would not expect them to be in the playoffs at all, let alone win the division.

Prepare Yourselves - dark days as a Canucks fan are coming.

[EmperorIS]

Oh shit I thought the picture I posted were the new divisions :lawl:

lol i was so confused... i didn't know whether to look at it diagonally or horizontally or vertically...

[Nabatron]

so the question is now will the canucks make the playoffs next year with this new re-alignment format?

[Not really racist!]

^ yeah...... except just probably 5 - 8 seed...

srs

[68style]

You guys do realise we had a better record outside of our "retard "division this year than in it right?
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[Lomac]

Here it is, apparently

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2234799/nhl-realignment-bigger.png

Still have the goofball teams in Alberta, but LA, SJ, and Anaheim? :heckno:

I would not expect them to be in the playoffs at all, let alone win the division.

Prepare Yourselves - dark days as a Canucks fan are coming.

Oh god, I hope not.

Kinda blows my mind how the south east and north east gets slightly fucked over with the awkward division cut...

[spideyv2]

lol, what if...

Flyers vs. Bruins - 2010 ECSF Game 7 Highlights [CSN HD] - YouTube

[EmperorIS]

Lol scumbag MG. " we are all in for the cup this year". Makes 1 trade. Now down 0-3.
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[winson604]

lol i was so confused... i didn't know whether to look at it diagonally or horizontally or vertically...

Yea pic was simply all the teams in alphabetical order. I was confused too even though I knew what the new divisions were.
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[SkinnyPupp]

You guys do realise we had a better record outside of our "retard "division this year than in it right?
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Really? Let's take a look:

4-1-0 vs Calgary
3-1-0 vs Colorado
2-2-1 vs Edmonton
2-2-0 vs Minnesota

Very good against these goofball teams. Aside from the throwaway game vs Edmonton... They won every series in their division, except against the 'other good team' which they tied.

Now let's look at how they did against their future rivals:

2-0-1 vs LA
1-3-0 vs Anaheim
0-2-1 vs San Jose
2-1-0 vs Phoenix

They seem to have had LA's number this year, which nobody would have guessed. But do you like their chances playing Anaheim and SJ more regularly? Even Phoenix can be scary. Scarier than Edmonton, Calgary, and Colorado at least.

Some Other Series outside the retard division:

1-2-0 vs Detroit
1-0-2 vs St Louis
1-2-0 vs Dallas
2-0-1 vs Chicago
3-0-0 vs Nashville

Aside from Nashiville who were absolutely horrible last season, the only series they won was Chicago.

So I stand by what I said - they benefited greatly from playing weak teams 4-5 times this year, in a shortened season.

[winson604]

You guys do realise we had a better record outside of our "retard "division this year than in it right?
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Actually you do realize that isn't true right? Against the Central and Pacific we were a combined 15-9-6 and against the NW we were 11-6-1. LA, SJ, and Anaheim, and Phoenix who will be in our division are all from the Pacific and we were 6-7-2 against them.

Here were our records from this season.

Overall Record
26-15-7

Vs Central
9-2-4

Vs Pacific
6-7-2

Vs Northwest
11-6-1

http://canucks.nhl.com/club/standings.htm?season=20122013&type=XVW

[LUUUUUUUU]

http://i.minus.com/itr2dq9zKawZf.gif

[Harvey Specter]

The Canucks haven't been the same after that Boston game last season, that imo was the peak of one of the best Canucks team we've seen but after that game the team went on a downward spiral. The scoring dried up, our rock solid defense disappeared and the overall effort level dropped.

I'll be ashamed to be a Canuck fan if we get swept but part of me wishes we do because that we the ownership has to make some big changes starting from the top this off season instead of hearing the same old BS and same old excuses.

[mb_]

Woke up and thought it was all a dream............. :okay:

[Gh0stRider]

Gallagher, Huberdeau and Saad named 2013 Calder Trophy finalists


who gets your vote?

[murd0c]

Huberdeau no questions asked

[Tim Budong]

Gallagher, Huberdeau and Saad named 2013 Calder Trophy finalists


who gets your vote?

Gallagher

[kristianhay]

Gallagher gets my vote as well.

He put up 28pts, only 3 back of Hubes while playing a far more limited role. Huberdeau was playing top line minutes all year, Saad was as well - not to mention he was playing with guys like Toews and Hossa. If you watched Gallagher play this year, you know he deserves the Calder.

[AWDTurboLuvr]

Gallagher gets the Calder IMO. He's a factor in every Habs game, whether he's on the scoresheet or not. Watching him in person, you can tell he's got great hockey smarts and will be an awesome player for many years to come.

[Ronin]

Gallagher. Huberdeau is more of a talent but Gallagher is the guy I'd want on my team today and the rookie that had the most impact on his team's season.

That being said, none of the three were particularly impressive in the shortened season. Any of last year's three would've won this year.

[RiceIntegraRS]

lol, what if...

Flyers vs. Bruins - 2010 ECSF Game 7 Highlights [CSN HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrlzDiZEfFY)

i still think the Canucks can pull this off. Since the refs have handed the sharks 17 powerplays this series already. I think maybe for Game 4 they would call this game fairly. Im not being biased here, my buddy from Edmonton who hates the Canucks, im not even allowed to watch Canuck games at his house is telling me the Canucks are being hosed by the refs.

Anyways its a very close matchup, and it could go either way. But it isnt impossible to string 4 wins in a row.

[mb_]

I'd pick Gallagher for Calder
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[Tapioca]

i still think the Canucks can pull this off. Since the refs have handed the sharks 17 powerplays this series already. I think maybe for Game 4 they would call this game fairly. Im not being biased here, my buddy from Edmonton who hates the Canucks, im not even allowed to watch Canuck games at his house is telling me the Canucks are being hosed by the refs.

Anyways its a very close matchup, and it could go either way. But it isnt impossible to string 4 wins in a row.

Take off the rose-coloured glasses. This Canucks team simply doesn't have another gear to compete with the Sharks this year. A bounce or two, based on the law of averages, may help the Canucks take game 4, but unless San Jose takes down their intensity level like 3 notches, there is no way the Canucks take more than 1 game in this series.

Good teams find a way to win close games. We had Game 2, but we somehow missed an empty net, failed to clear the puck in our own zone with a minute to play, and botched a 2-on-1. Good teams don't make these mistakes with a game on the line. It's a bitter pill to swallow, considering that the last 5 years have been some of the most entertaining hockey this city has seen (well since the early 90s anyway).

After a night's rest, I'm still saying this edition of the Canucks is done. Time to rebuild - no shame in that (except maybe for the owners.)
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[LsquareD]

woke up this morning and

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Seanisking/Random/Feels-bad-man.jpg

[RiceIntegraRS]

Take off the rose-coloured glasses. This Canucks team simply doesn't have another gear to compete with the Sharks this year. A bounce or two, based on the law of averages, may help the Canucks take game 4, but unless San Jose takes down their intensity level like 3 notches, there is no way the Canucks take more than 1 game in this series.

After a night's rest, I'm still saying this edition of the Canucks is done. Time to rebuild - no shame in that (except maybe for the owners.)
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Im glad u dont play competitive sports. Would hate to have you on the team being down.

[AzNightmare]

i still think the Canucks can pull this off. Since the refs have handed the sharks 17 powerplays this series already. I think maybe for Game 4 they would call this game fairly. Im not being biased here, my buddy from Edmonton who hates the Canucks, im not even allowed to watch Canuck games at his house is telling me the Canucks are being hosed by the refs.

Anyways its a very close matchup, and it could go either way. But it isnt impossible to string 4 wins in a row.

As optimistic as we all want to be.
That's a load of bullshit.

Canucks have no heart, and the only two players even possible of carrying this team through at this point is Kesler and Luongo.
The scores will have to be 1-0, 1-0, 1-0, 1-0.
Maybe a 2-0 if they can hit an empty netter.

Kesler's only one forward, and he's not going to be able to consistently carry the team through the rest of the series. Luongo's not going to play like 2011 TT or 2012 Quick... and our defense is absolute shit compared to Boston's and LA's in those respective years. So you can't even blame the goalie.

Whoever thinks this series is "close" and could go either way needs to give their head a shake. Sharks dominated the Canucks all over the ice and out-chanced them by so much. Schneider had to make so many good saves until his breakdown. Their PP looks dangerous every time. And there's so much confidence when they move their puck from player to player. Our PP looks so sloppy, can only take shots from outside the perimeter, and point shots keep getting blocked by that asshole Couture.

How do we string 4 wins in a row if we can't even string 2 strong periods in a row...



Im glad u dont play competitive sports. Would hate to have you on the team being down.

We all want to hope for a miracle... but we're just laying out the hard truth.
We all knew we didn't have the talent to win the cup.
But I was expecting a bit more detemination to at least win 1 round.
This is so disappointing.

[Tapioca]

Im glad u dont play competitive sports. Would hate to have you on the team being down.

I played competitive sports for many years. Sometimes, you just don't have the horses to compete or elevate your game. The Canucks' supporting cast hasn't shown up and I suspect they just don't have another level.
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[Nabatron]

Canucks lets face it guys are done like dinner...it would take an absolute miracle for them to even win 1 game yet let alone win 4 in a row! The team has no heart anymore it sad to see!

[RiceIntegraRS]

im not gonna lie, the Sharks have had the edge in this series. but i think being dominated is abit of a stretch. Take the PPs away and this is a totally different series. If the Sedins showup and Edler Hamhuis stop playing like shit they maybe we can have a better chance. Cause last thing i remember it takes 4 games to win a series.

[Nabatron]

Im making no excuses for this team since thats all they ever do is make excuses but from the drop of the puck they are always falling behind since the reffing is absolute trash! Sometimes your team just plays like trash...other times its the reffing that defines games sadly this series it alot of both.

[C5_Ryder]

Why would you rebuild a team that was third in the conference

Be logical.

The Sedins will still be here next season, AV will not, loungo will be gone.

MG will get one more season. ( i never liked him , erhoff was a big part of this team, they should of payed him)


Those are my predictions.

[Great68]

The canucks seem to have the same thing happening to them as happened to Calgary & Edmonton after they lost their cup runs in 04 & 06.

A slow downward spiral.

It seems like our "Core" is nothing without some of the supporting cast we had in 2011.

[TPMarko]

im not gonna lie, the Sharks have had the edge in this series. but i think being dominated is abit of a stretch. Take the PPs away and this is a totally different series. If the Sedins showup and Edler Hamhuis stop playing like shit they maybe we can have a better chance. Cause last thing i remember it takes 4 games to win a series.

if the canucks were a team with drive and determination, sure they might pull off the 2010 flyers but i don't see enough fight from this group.

[pastarocket]

What makes the Canucks' playoff performance even more depressing to watch is to know that other Canadian teams like the hated Leafs, and the Senators are doing way better than our team.

:rukidding:

[jeedee]

What makes the Canucks' playoff performance even more depressing to watch is to know that other Canadian teams like the hated Leafs, and the Senators are doing way better than our team.

:rukidding:

Fun fact:

Do you know what the Leafs and Sens have in common? (Besides better playoff success compared to the Canucks)

Both teams got a new coach :troll:

In all seriousness, AV's time is done. He's been using the same game plan since 2010. Teams have figured the Canucks out and he hasn't adapted/change his strategy.

[fsy82]

The window of opportunity i believe is closed now

[spoon.ek9]

I believe the stat is teams being down 3-0 in NHL Playoff history are 3-169. Be optimistic all you want, it's over. Yes, we all want a miracle to happen but realistically..... yeah.

[hotjoint]

The window of opportunity i believe is closed now

agreed

[pastarocket]

What would you do if you were the Canucks GM for one day?


This would be my "To Do" List" as GM for a day:

1) Fire AV asap.

2) Hire a coach who has a playing system, a playing philosophy that helps players play a winning brand of playoff hockey.

3) Spend some time to think long and hard about whether the leaders of this team, your Captain Henrik and his brother, are the players who can help you win a Stanley Cup.

4) Continue talking with other GMs in order to find out what offers are being made for trading Luongo. Trade Luuu in the offseason.

5) Talk to Aquilini to see if he would be okay with the Canucks rebuilding part of their core players (the first line). Hear what the boss has to say about a rebuild of the team in terms of the offense, and a tweak of the defence.

6) Talk to Henrik and Daniel about my intention to trade them. The Sedins have no-movement clauses on their contracts.

7) Go over the entire roster of forwards to determine which players I want to re-sign. Derek Roy? Get rid of Raymond? Look at signing players or making trades via Luongo to addscoring depth to this team.

8) Try to acquire a top 6 defenceman as part of Luongo trade (Ballard gets shipped out too) in order to lower Edler's playing time. We need a veteran defenceman to bolster our defence.

Let's face it. The Sedins are not at their prime anymore. After watching the twins in the past two years in the playoffs, I am not convinced that these guys have the heart, or the ability to elevate their game in the playoffs when it matters the most.

The Canucks face a similar situation like the Flyers. Philly GM Mike Holmgren had a tough decision to make: keep Mike Richards and Jeff Carter to continue the Dry Island party, or trade them? Okay, the Philly trade helped the Kings win a Cup but the Flyers got good, young forwards in return for the trade.

Perhaps it's time to consider trading the Sedins to build a new identity, a new offensive system for the Canucks. Trade up while the players have value.

[pastarocket]

I believe the stat is teams being down 3-0 in NHL Playoff history are 3-169. Be optimistic all you want, it's over. Yes, we all want a miracle to happen but realistically..... yeah.

The stats are 3/172 for the teams that come back from 0-3 deficit to win a playoff series in 7 games. A lousy 1.7% success rate.

[highfive]

I think everyone has underestimated the importance of Salo to the team. Yeah he was slow, old, and injury prone. But this guy gives the Sedins a good first pass, threat on the point, and he just calms the team down.

2011 Cup Lineup

Sedins- Alex Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Raymond / Samuelsson
Torres - Lapierre - Hansen
Glass - Malhotra - Oreskovich

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Salo
Rome- Ehrhoff

Roberto Luongo


2013 line up

Sedins - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Hansen
Raymond - Roy - Kassian
Sestito - Lapierre - Weise

Edler Garrison
Hamhuis Bieksa
Alberts Corrado

Luongo/Schneider

Honestly...line up pretty similar I suppose BUT the big thing that jumped out is our D is much weaker without Salo and Ehrhoff especially when our number 1 D in Edler isn't playing well.

[jeedee]

I think everyone has underestimated the importance of Salo to the team. Yeah he was slow, old, and injury prone. But this guy gives the Sedins a good first pass, threat on the point, and he just calms the team down.

LOL SALO? wut

You basically just summed up what Ehrhoff did for the Canucks :lol

[fishCak3s]

D is our problem, you can't win without good defensive pairings. Championship in team sports are won with team defence.

[Gumby]

D is our problem, you can't win without good defensive pairings. Championship in team sports are won with team defence.
I think our inability to score goals is a bigger problem than our defense...

[Ronin]

Edler usually made the breakout pass, not Salo. Salo was the more stay-at-home of the two when he played with Edler, which resulted in a lot of trailing one-timers for the guy when he did jump up on the play.

Salo was the perfect partner for Edler, even better than Ehrhoff, because it allowed Edler to be high risk, high reward. Now that no one is covering for him, all we see is the high risk. I think of Edler, despite the fact that he's got a pretty hard shot, as more of a passer. Guy needs a right-handed shot parter that's solid on D.

I would prefer to trade Edler in the off-season for a right-handed puck mover to match with Garrison, who I think, now that he's calmed down, has one of the craziest shots the Canucks have ever had in the lineup. Salo may have shot harder but Garrison shoots quicker and seems to be able to get that velocity on his shot in any situation.

Bieksa/Hammer = shutdown
Garrison/D = offense
Tanev/Corrado/Whatever = third, cheap pairing to open up some cap space elsewhere.

[spoon.ek9]

oh how i wish we still had pre-injury malhotra for those defense zone face offs.. ehrhoff, salo, torres.. those were the days :okay:

[RiceIntegraRS]

Have Another Donut - YouTube

[MR_BIGGS]

^^So much win^^

Just heard this on the Team 1040 and it's so true: "you either have to be a high scoring team or tough to play against and the Canucks are neither.

During the off-season, Canucks are not the type of franchise that will clean house. Maybe AV will be fired to bring in a new voice, but they need to start refreshing the core. After next season, Sedins' contract ends. Do they get extensions? I can't see them being traded. It just seems its one of those things where they've been so good to the franchise and Gillis is loyal to them. Will be hard to bring in new talent if you don't have chips to trade with.

I think Roy and Raymond will go UFA and Luongo gets traded, but it will be tough to bring back core type players. They need to start stocking up first round picks. It is inexcusable that they didn't have a pick in the first 3 rounds of the 2010 draft. I understand you can't always draft the likes of what Detroit has in late rounds, but other teams have gotten lucky. The Canes drafted Justin Faulk in the 2nd round. Look at what rookies are doing for their respective teams like the Habs (Gallagher), Hawks (Saad). These guys weren't even fucking first round picks and they've developed very nicely. Gallagher was a 5th round pick, and Saad was taken 43th overall.

Whens the last time a low draft pick made the Canucks opening day roster? Granted Canucks have been a veteran team, they need new scouts.

[bballguy]

Wow....all within 3 fucking games......wow....

[JKam]

‏@VanCanucks 12m
Optional #Canucks practice today, six skaters and all three goalies on the ice. Alain Vigneault will speak shortly.

lol optional practice? AND only 6 skaters show? Looks like the team has thrown in the towel too. I'm sure if it was a different coach, it would have been a mandatory bag skate for how bag they've been.

[pastarocket]

Latest Canucks tweet: "We haven't beaten this team once this year, we have to believe now that we can beat them one time" - Alain Vigneault #Canucks

That's right AV. You can say that the team must beat the Sharks one time. It won't matter because it only delays the inevitable.

It would take the comeback victory of the century for this team to beat the Sharks.

[EmperorIS]

So what if we make a comeback and beat sharks... we just gonna lose in the 2nd round anyways.

[Not really racist!]

Let's just get swept...

jesus

[iwantaskyline]

Been saying this for two years.. Why bieksa over ehrhoff?
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[Tapioca]

lol optional practice? AND only 6 skaters show? Looks like the team has thrown in the towel too. I'm sure if it was a different coach, it would have been a mandatory bag skate for how bag they've been.

Bag skates are pointless at this time of year. They're a veteran club. The Canucks are simply not good enough.

And re: scouts...Stan Smyl and Ron Delorme need to go. The only scout worth keeping is Thomas Gradin. Clean the house - top to bottom.
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[pastarocket]

Which eastern teams are your picks to make it the conference final?

Pittsburgh and Washington are my picks.

[Tim Budong]

so Juice just said that the sharks embellish. I'm thinking.. This team can't even out embellish the sharks.... Damn
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[murd0c]

so Juice just said that the sharks embellish. I'm thinking.. This team can't even out embellish the sharks.... Damn
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That's the main issue... They aint taking responsibilty and using BS excuses like this nonstop. They need to stop worring about the other teams and worry about their BS.

That being said it's a little late night I think.

[Gumby]

so Juice just said that the sharks embellish. I'm thinking.. This team can't even out embellish the sharks.... Damn
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Geez, what team DOESN'T embellish?!

[kwy]

As a Canucks fan, I'm just sick of all this bullshit. All the excuses, the lack of consistency, the lack of results, the lack of motivation. We spend hundreds a year on Canucks merch and ridiculously overpriced tickets only to watch them lose. The least they can do for their fans is to put their hearts into it.

I'm gonna need the long off-season to cool off. In the meantime, I'm cheering for any other Canadian team to go far, as well as the Red Wings, who have always been my #2 team. I'll even be happy if the Isles go far..huge underdog, and they've been fighting hard so far this series.

[highfive]

^^So much win^^

Just heard this on the Team 1040 and it's so true: "you either have to be a high scoring team or tough to play against and the Canucks are neither.

During the off-season, Canucks are not the type of franchise that will clean house. Maybe AV will be fired to bring in a new voice, but they need to start refreshing the core. After next season, Sedins' contract ends. Do they get extensions? I can't see them being traded. It just seems its one of those things where they've been so good to the franchise and Gillis is loyal to them. Will be hard to bring in new talent if you don't have chips to trade with.

I think Roy and Raymond will go UFA and Luongo gets traded, but it will be tough to bring back core type players. They need to start stocking up first round picks. It is inexcusable that they didn't have a pick in the first 3 rounds of the 2010 draft. I understand you can't always draft the likes of what Detroit has in late rounds, but other teams have gotten lucky. The Canes drafted Justin Faulk in the 2nd round. Look at what rookies are doing for their respective teams like the Habs (Gallagher), Hawks (Saad). These guys weren't even fucking first round picks and they've developed very nicely. Gallagher was a 5th round pick, and Saad was taken 43th overall.

Whens the last time a low draft pick made the Canucks opening day roster? Granted Canucks have been a veteran team, they need new scouts.

We were able to grab Corrado in the 5th round.


As a Canucks fan, I'm just sick of all this bullshit. All the excuses, the lack of consistency, the lack of results, the lack of motivation. We spend hundreds a year on Canucks merch and ridiculously overpriced tickets only to watch them lose. The least they can do for their fans is to put their hearts into it.

I'm gonna need the long off-season to cool off. In the meantime, I'm cheering for any other Canadian team to go far, as well as the Red Wings, who have always been my #2 team. I'll even be happy if the Isles go far..huge underdog, and they've been fighting hard so far this series.

I'm actually cheering for Sens if the Canucks are out. The team went through so much in injuries to their top guys yet they stay competitive. And Karlsson and Alfredsson are fucking awesome hockey players.

[AzNightmare]

It's not just the Players or coaches with excuses.
Even our fans have excuses.
What's with the :QQ:ing about bad refs.
Every season, every series, fans are crying about the bad calls.
Suck it up, it goes both ways in the grand scheme of things,
we have embellishers too, and our special teams are terrible.
People are whining about irrelevant things.

Good teams find ways to win, and Canucks are incapable of that.
Which doesn't shock me at all, considering Canucks are only capable of getting a lucky goal and then trying to hold on for the 1-0 win.

So wonder one questionable call combined with Canucks' lackluster PK sends everyone complaining.
Seems like no one remembers about Canucks' inability to produce a single scoring chance (or sometimes even a shot) when they're on the PP.

:suspicious:

I like MAKAVELI's youtube channel and all, he compiles the best Canuck highlight videos I know of,
but the guy can be such a biased idiot sometimes. I must have called him out on one of his videos way back
(I don't actually remember if I did post anything), cause apparently I'm blocked
from posting anything on his videos, nor can I subscribe to his channel.

[Spoon]

They need to start stocking up first round picks. It is inexcusable that they didn't have a pick in the first 3 rounds of the 2010 draft. I understand you can't always draft the likes of what Detroit has in late rounds, but other teams have gotten lucky. The Canes drafted Justin Faulk in the 2nd round. Look at what rookies are doing for their respective teams like the Habs (Gallagher), Hawks (Saad). These guys weren't even fucking first round picks and they've developed very nicely. Gallagher was a 5th round pick, and Saad was taken 43th overall.

I hear what you're saying. But the Canucks has a pretty poor track record when it comes to developing rookies. You get a blue chipper like Hodgson and they simply don't get the minutes. And even if they get to stick around, they're playing 3rd or 4th line minutes. Can't think of many Canucks other than the Sedins that got special treatment (minutes played) in their development.

[Harvey Specter]

I think the biggest concern moving forward is how you build a team around a core of players who are aging. The other concern is the lack of any real talent in the farm system and how you beef the team up offensively which has been a concern since our cup lost and has never been addressed.

Than you have the issue with contracts that the Canucks have to dump e.g. Ballard, Booth and Lu. Whoever the GM is come next season will have to delicately maneuver themselves because a bad signing, bad trade or lack of signings could set the team back big time and we could get find ourselves in a permanent rebuilding phase like so many other teams in the league.

[highfive]

I hear what you're saying. But the Canucks has a pretty poor track record when it comes to developing rookies. You get a blue chipper like Hodgson and they simply don't get the minutes. And even if they get to stick around, they're playing 3rd or 4th line minutes. Can't think of many Canucks other than the Sedins that got special treatment (minutes played) in their development.

I disagree.

IMO, Kesler/Burrows/Bieksa/Hansen/Raymond/Edler/Tanev/Schneider were rookies at some point and was given ice time to develop.

It's just media likes to use Hodgson/Grabner/Shroeder as examples that they don't get enough ice time.

Then there are two sides on this topic. Offensive players like them requires ice time to develop vs these players are not defensive enough so they get less ice time.

[Spoon]

Kesler/Burrows/Bieksa/Hansen/Raymond/Edler/Tanev/Schneider were rookies at some point and was given ice time to develop.

And none of them you would consider a superstar. Kesler and Edler had potential at one point, but in recent years? Schneider's a possibility, who knows.

Canucks can draft a Sid Crosby equivalent next year and they still won't touch first line minutes until the Sedins retire.

[JesseBlue]

i have a feeling that for the return that we'll need/want, it'll be schneider that might be dealt...lack and cannata on the wings...

heck, i'd do that...

anyways, did anyone see volpatti's name pop up when hamhuis scored?

[Tim Budong]

I think this team can be "reworked"
Too soon for a rebuild

But if you want return for the future, you start this off season and have a canucks fire sale

[iwantaskyline]

Well the Sharks are a perfect example of a team who properly injected youth into their lineup. Look at thorton and marleau, both are into their 30's. Problem is we still suck at drafting.
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[Hondaracer]

lolol wtf... Leafs have the street viewing setup like we did for the finals/olympics for game 3.. lol oh leafs

[AzNightmare]

anyways, did anyone see volpatti's name pop up when hamhuis scored?

I did...
Cause I have Roy in my pool, and I was thinking "wtf, that's Roy's assist"
Then I remembered Volpatti's not even with the Canucks anymore. lol

[EmperorIS]

BEAST!! i've literally got goosebumps, i've got a good feeling about this team now

Lol not trying to be a dick but I turned on my iPad that I haven't used since game two and saw this. Found it funny.

[spoon.ek9]

lol, it's fine. for part of that game, i think we all saw the team that owned chicago prior to the playoffs. all we can do now is sit back and laugh, cry or a combo of both.

[Tim Budong]

Its fucking sad how I'm enjoying EVERY OTHER SERIES much more than my beloved Canucks

Watching the Rangers climb outta their hold right now has been fantastic.

[OGCStrike]

aand the rangers win it :)

[EmperorIS]

lolol wtf... Leafs have the street viewing setup like we did for the finals/olympics for game 3.. lol oh leafs

At least they got a series
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[sekin67835]

its sad to see every other team is fighting, (2-1 series) and canucks are down to 3-0 :QQ:

[kristianhay]

Blues up 2-0 on LA early, awe yeah.

Realistically, what do you guys think happens in the offseason?

Near guarantees to be gone, I'd think:

Booth, Ballard, Lu, Roy, Raymond, Weise, Ebbett, AV

Could be gone:

Edler, Bieksa, Kesler, Lapierre, Alberts, Gillis

I could see any of the above guys being packaged for something/let walk (if applicable). I don't see the Sedins being moved as they have NTC's. It will be an interesting summer.

[Hondaracer]

At least they got a series
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:okay:
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[AzNightmare]

Blues up 2-0 on LA early, awe yeah.

Realistically, what do you guys think happens in the offseason?

Near guarantees to be gone, I'd think:

Booth, Ballard, Lu, Roy, Raymond, Weise, Ebbett, AV

Could be gone:

Edler, Bieksa, Kesler, Lapierre, Alberts, Gillis

I could see any of the above guys being packaged for something/let walk (if applicable). I don't see the Sedins being moved as they have NTC's. It will be an interesting summer.

Or...
AV gets fired.
Luongo gets traded for a bag of pucks.
Gillis once again says he can't find any suitable trades to shake up the rest of the team. So we call it a day.
(And bank on the new coach being a hero)

Something tells me I shouldn't be surprised if this happens...
:pokerface:

[kristianhay]

^

I could see it too, but I have a feeling change is coming. We'll see I guess!

[MR_BIGGS]

Blues up 2-0 on LA early, awe yeah.

Realistically, what do you guys think happens in the offseason?

Near guarantees to be gone, I'd think:

Booth, Ballard, Lu, Roy, Raymond, Weise, Ebbett, AV

Could be gone:

Edler, Bieksa, Kesler, Lapierre, Alberts, Gillis

I could see any of the above guys being packaged for something/let walk (if applicable). I don't see the Sedins being moved as they have NTC's. It will be an interesting summer.

They have a team with an aging core, with no players in the wings to fill the void of the Sedins when they retire. Next year will be the last year of the Sedins' current contract and they will be 33 this September. They've already said they do not want to retire. To me it seems the franchise is too loyal to trade them, so they will get 1-3 year deals at a lower cost. They don't have a lot of trade chips since most of their core has NTCs.

What would have been nice was if they had younger guys move into first line roles with the Sedins moving to the second line as they get closer to retirement, but that hasn't happened.

Tickets are the most expensive they have ever been, so you can bet that Aquilini knows his window to make money off this team is closing with this core. Eventually they will have to build. I wonder how long it will take before they do. And how does Gillis go about doing it?

[Iceman_2K]

Blues and Kings tied.

[theevilslave]

lol, it's fine. for part of that game, i think we all saw the team that owned chicago prior to the playoffs. all we can do now is sit back and laugh, cry or a combo of both.

That chicago game was not a correct representation. The Blackhawks, that game, played without Sharp, Handzus, Bolland and Rosival. That's essentially their second line and second d pair.

On the other hand, am I the only one that thinks the Canucks need a PROPER
sniper for the first line? A legit winger/sniper that just scores? Something
along the lines of Steen, Moulson, JVR, Stepan. Burrows to me just doesn't quite cut it.

[kristianhay]

Yeah, I agree with what you're saying 100%. I just can't see the organization moving the Sedins, and obviously they won't let them walk. I can see them getting a 3 year extension as well.

I really wish we had some young guys to step in, but the way we've been built is to win with a group of veterans, not the young guys. Because of that, the very few young guys we had were traded away and we're left with not much. Unfortunate that it happened that way.

With tickets being as much as they are already, and the team declining year by ear, I see there being a lot of empty seats next year. After two first round exits and a fanbase that has already been less supportive this year than any in a while, something has to change. I think the fanbase is ready for change, but does management have the balls?

If Gillis thinks that the team, as it is right now, can win then he is an idiot. There are pieces in place that are fine, but the mix we have just isn't working. We need to add 2 LEGITIMATE top 6 players (no, guys like David Booth don't count), and if that is done, I think the Sedins can still do good stuff for us. Right now, we have 2 lines that we rely on for everything. In the latter part of a game, we don't see lines 3 or 4 at all. Look at San Jose, they roll all 4 lines - their fourth line played 12 minutes. That's almost as much as our fucking third line.

[Noir]

That chicago game was not a correct representation. The Blackhawks, that game, played without Sharp, Handzus, Bolland and Rosival. That's essentially their second line and second d pair.

On the other hand, am I the only one that thinks the Canucks need a PROPER
sniper for the first line? A legit winger/sniper that just scores? Something
along the lines of Steen, Moulson, JVR, Stepan. Burrows to me just doesn't quite cut it.

That's because that's not his role. His role is stay in front of the net to:

a) screen the goalie
b) aggro 1 or 2 defensemens
c) tip ins
d) rebound

Honestly, he's the only one in our team who's willing to take the punishment in front of the net. Kesler's alright, but I see Burrows really get right into the goalie's grill better. He also moves side to side better (when screening the goalie) as the play moves to and fro, left to right. He's also never afraid to come right back after constantly being spilled in front of the net + after whistle fracas.

There's really no room for a sniper since neither Sedin is going to take that role. As Henrik is always planted on the corner/lower boards to set up passes while Daniel darts in and out of the front of the net waiting for a pass.

Loading on 2 snipers (Daniel + whoever you want) will just mean, that no one's aggroing in front of the net.

[kwy]

Brunner with the OT winner for the Wings!

[EmperorIS]

Burrows is effective for what he does... its just that no one fucking shoots

sometimes i feel so sorry for him when he gets mobbed infront of the goalie... he tries so hard to screen but no one shoots and he gets clobbered at the whistle and no one goes and helps him

[punkwax]

MG was in a damned if you do, damned if you don't position with Luongo. Anyone with half a brain who has watched his post season can tell he's still a legit #1 goaltender worth a hell of a lot more return than what they were offered.

[MR_BIGGS]

With tickets being as much as they are already, and the team declining year by ear, I see there being a lot of empty seats next year. After two first round exits and a fanbase that has already been less supportive this year than any in a while, something has to change. I think the fanbase is ready for change, but does management have the balls?

That's the question right there. I don't think they do. I think they will continue to just tweak this team.

[Not really racist!]

It's simple, if MG doesn't make moves this off-season to better our team, he will be fired

And by "better" our team its gonna have to be significant moves, period.

[UFO]

#boldmoves

Something popped up on the radio today about Aquaman pushing for AV to go last offseason, but MG stepped up to bat. And this offseason it will be an almost certainty, and not without reason IMO. But there's also the possibility that MG walks away from the Canucks completely, which leaves the organization in a pretty precarious position to clean up his mess. I don't disagree with the moves and signings MG has made as its part of the plan HE put in place for the long term success of the club (how good that plan is is another discussion), but anybody stepping in for a resigned MG is setup to fail with all the NTC's and lack of cap space available to bring in the needed personnel to actually make any change for the better.

[subordinate]

Can you guys imagine if Luongo was playing for the leafs?

And we were left with Cannata being back-up lol?

[UFO]

After a probable first round sweep, any offseason change to the roster is thinkable. IMO Schneider gets moved before the idea of a Sedin trade is even entertained. All along moving Schneider is the more logical thing to do, he'll return more, he's way more marketable, and having a goalie in his prime is no use to us when we are not a cup contender. Luongo still has a good few seasons to offer which will be sufficient while we hopefully teeter around making the playoffs the next few years while rebuilding on the fly, and by the time the next core is in a winning position, hopefully Lack will be ready to take the reines

[OGCStrike]

Kings tie 3-3 now. wow

[subordinate]

Kings tie 3-3 now. wow

If that series goes the distance, I really doubt either team will last the second round if they are to face an equally big/hard hitting team.

[OGCStrike]

^ at least it would be interesting :)

also kings score again 4-3...

[MR_BIGGS]

After a probable first round sweep, any offseason change to the roster is thinkable. IMO Schneider gets moved before the idea of a Sedin trade is even entertained. All along moving Schneider is the more logical thing to do, he'll return more, he's way more marketable, and having a goalie in his prime is no use to us when we are not a cup contender. Luongo still has a good few seasons to offer which will be sufficient while we hopefully teeter around making the playoffs the next few years while rebuilding on the fly, and by the time the next core is in a winning position, hopefully Lack will be ready to take the reines

Rebuilding on the fly is going to be tough with all the no trade clauses unless they give young guys time and patience to develop playing on the Canucks roster.

[iwantaskyline]

Can you guys imagine if Luongo was playing for the leafs?

And we were left with Cannata being back-up lol?

Yeah we'd probably get sweeped.. Oh wait wut..
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[Iceman-19]

Easy way out of an NTC is to bench underperformers. They ask for a trade, and boom, headshot.
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[UFO]

Rebuilding on the fly is going to be tough with all the no trade clauses unless they give young guys time and patience to develop playing on the Canucks roster.

Yeah, well that would require us to have young guys first to begin with. And by rebuild on the fly, I don't mean that we would be competitive per se. My vision of rebuild on the fly is making the playoffs as a 7 or 8 seed, or missing it by a couple of points at the end of the season. The market here would never tolerate a complete blowup style rebuild, nor are we able to with all the NTC's. Of course with that understanding, some of the NTC's may actually want to move on to a legitimate contender especially as they get on with their careers.

[SkinnyPupp]

MG isn't going anywhere, imo

[UFO]

Depends on Aquaman's patience. MG doesn't need this job to put food on the table. He doesn't necessarily aspire to continue being an NHL GM somewhere else if he gets fired. I don't think he gets fired, but if Aquaman really pushes MG to make moves he doesn't want to, or refuses to let MG make the moves he wants, I could see MG quitting

[Harvey Specter]

Lu's penthouse is up for sale...

Video and photos: Canucks goalie Roberto Luongo's penthouse listed for $4.2 million (http://www.vancouversun.com/business/affordability/Video+photos+Canucks+goalie+Roberto+Luongo/8345880/story.html)

[Ch28]

Easy way out of an NTC is to bench underperformers. They ask for a trade, and boom, headshot.
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Yeah, that'll really work great in attracting free agent players to play for your team :rolleyes:

[MR_BIGGS]

Lu's penthouse is up for sale...

Video and photos: Canucks goalie Roberto Luongo's penthouse listed for $4.2 million (http://www.vancouversun.com/business/affordability/Video+photos+Canucks+goalie+Roberto+Luongo/8345880/story.html)

Must mean Gaborik is being traded to the Canucks.

[bballguy]

Why the fuck do you offer a long-term contract AND a NTC....Makes zero sense....

[subordinate]

Lu's penthouse is up for sale...

Video and photos: Canucks goalie Roberto Luongo's penthouse listed for $4.2 million (http://www.vancouversun.com/business/affordability/Video+photos+Canucks+goalie+Roberto+Luongo/8345880/story.html)

That's what 4.2 mill gets you in Vancouver?

Welp...Anyone have some hydroponics I can borrow?

[Ronin]

Most players get a NTC BECAUSE it's a long term contract. Usually long term means the player is taking a discount but more importantly, they're making a long term commitment to a team so they don't want to sign for 10 years then get traded to Columbus and have to play there for 10 years.

Easy way out of an NTC is to bench underperformers. They ask for a trade, and boom, headshot.
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Great idea. What if they don't ask for a trade? :rolleyes:

And even if they ask for a trade, it has to be to a team they want to be traded to. Or how about they just say "Fuck you." and sit on the bench, making the full value of their contract while the entire organization looks even stupider? Super easy, right? RFA kids without contracts hold out every year to do battle with the GM. The situation you're suggesting means the GM is at a disadvantage. Benching a player means he's either underperforming or not playing nice with the team. Think you're getting market value for the guy? Think free agents are going to want to sign here after?

Seriously, some of you need to learn a thing or two about how hockey works before playing armchair GM. I love it when people call in to TEAM1040 and suggest that we should send the Sedins down to the minors or other moronic things like that without knowing the implications of the move or how/if the Canucks can actually do so.

[dinamix]

Lu's penthouse is up for sale...

Video and photos: Canucks goalie Roberto Luongo's penthouse listed for $4.2 million (http://www.vancouversun.com/business/affordability/Video+photos+Canucks+goalie+Roberto+Luongo/8345880/story.html)
I don't feel bad for luongo anymore after seeing that

[bballguy]

Most players get a NTC BECAUSE it's a long term contract. Usually long term means the player is taking a discount but more importantly, they're making a long term commitment to a team so they don't want to sign for 10 years then get traded to Columbus and have to play there for 10 years.

I don't really think it's a 'discounted price' as guys are going to decline over time and they won't be able to get those same offers throughout their entire careers....but what a long-term contract DOES give them is job security....no need for both that AND a NTC...

Combination of NTC + Long-term contracts should be exceptions for guys that are the best of the best....The Sidney Crosby's, Steven Stamkos', and Evgeni Malkin's.....The guys who actually deserve that kind of leverage....Not Dan Hamhuis, Ryan Kesler, Manny Malhotra, Jason Garrison, Roberto Luongo...

What's worse, all our NTC's are straight up 100% no-trade clauses....Not even limited in that the guy can pick 10 teams or some shit that he won't accept a trade to....just straight up, you can stay here no matter what and do absolutely nothing for the rest of your career, and still get paid....

[Ronin]

Say you signed up to work at a company for the next ten years of your life. Your job is massaging Kate Upton's titties before photoshoots. You get a butt load of money and your contract says that you'll work for this company for the next ten years.

But then the company decides NOPE you're going to wash sumo wrestler diapers by hand now. You get paid the same amount of money and you're locked in. You can't go anywhere...you must either wash sumo wrestler diapers or not get paid because you can't quit and go work elsewhere.

Same deal. Lu signs for 12 years with no NTC and then gets traded to a rebuilding team where he doesn't want to be?

Long terms don't give job security. NTCs do. It's unreasonable to give EVERYONE an NTC but for a 12 year contract? It's necessary.

[bballguy]

Say you signed up to work at a company for the next ten years of your life. Your job is massaging Kate Upton's titties before photoshoots. You get a butt load of money and your contract says that you'll work for this company for the next ten years.

But then the company decides NOPE you're going to wash sumo wrestler diapers by hand now. You get paid the same amount of money and you're locked in. You can't go anywhere...you must either wash sumo wrestler diapers or not get paid because you can't quit and go work elsewhere.

Same deal. Lu signs for 12 years with no NTC and then gets traded to a rebuilding team where he doesn't want to be?

Long terms don't give job security. NTCs do. It's unreasonable to give EVERYONE an NTC but for a 12 year contract? It's necessary.

....That's a huge exaggeration, and really means nothing.....What makes you think 'Kate Upton's Tits' (Canucks) won't turn into 'Sumo Wrestler Diapers' (Flames) in just a matter of years? There's nowhere in the contract that says Canucks are going to be Kate Upton's tits for the next 10 years....

and Long-term contracts ABSOLUTELY give you job security....guy plays good for 2 years, gets long-term contract, sucks balls for the rest of his career, still gets paid.....How is that not job security?


Job security is about getting paid...Shit can get tough at any point for any profession, but knowing that you will always be employed and always get paid is what defines job security.

All that said, I appreciate the great metaphors and analogy.

[604778]

What A Big Nose You Have - YouTube

[EmperorIS]

av should totaly do the white towel thing tomorrow if the refs call a bad game again

[SkinnyPupp]

the reffing has hardly been that bad

[bballguy]

the reffing has hardly been that bad

In that they have been consistent or in that they are making the right calls, or both?

[rsx]

av should totaly do the white towel thing tomorrow if the refs call a bad game again

I think AV waved the white flag a couple of games ago.

[AzNightmare]

Why is it that every series that the Canucks lose in, bad officiating is always a topic that's brought up?

I mean really, our all mighty Canucks should have won the Stanley Cup every season.
But them bad refs always get in the way. (/sarcasm)

:seriously::rukidding:

[SkinnyPupp]

In that they have been consistent or in that they are making the right calls, or both?
Not bad enough to do something like that. Especially when you are the favourite to win :facepalm:

[bballguy]

Not bad enough to do something like that.

so you agree that the officiating has been bad though; ok, cool.

[SkinnyPupp]

No better or worse than usual

[bballguy]

No better or worse than usual

oh, so you think the refs are always bad.

[SkinnyPupp]

The refs are neither especially good, nor especially bad. They do what they do. You can bitch and whine about it all you want. Every single team in every single city in every single sport probably has valid complaints to make about reffing in just about every single game they have ever played, in the history of sport.

Refereeing relies on humans to make snap judgement calls, and sometimes the judgments do not stand up to scrutiny when looking at things in super slow motion. Bitching about it gets you nowhere, so it is completely pointless. If you can step back and look at things objectively, you might be able to enjoy life more, and not get annoyed by people who are able to do so (as you put it earlier).

[bballguy]

The refs are neither especially good, nor especially bad. They do what they do. You can bitch and whine about it all you want. Every single team in every single city in every single sport probably has valid complaints to make about reffing in just about every single game they have ever played, in the history of sport.

By no means am I blaming the losses on the refs, as the Canucks plain and simply suck, but you have to be a fucking retard to believe that the reffing has been anything but atrocious in this series. Powerplays are 17-7, and the powerplay time is 27:19 to 10:24 in favor of San Jose. No other series even comes close to this discrepancy. Are we really that much more stupid than San Jose that we've legitimately taken 10 more penalties than them? Go watch the games again if you are seriously think so...

There's no point arguing with you about this though, because you NEVER think the refereeing is horrible. For the past 3 years, I've always seen you bitching at people who whine about the refs, maybe because you always assume people are blaming the refs for the losses.

I don't think anybody is BLAMING the refs for the losses here, but the calls thus far, for whatever reason - maybe we don't sell calls the way we need to - have clearly been favouring one side more than the other...


Refereeing relies on humans to make snap judgement calls, and sometimes the judgments do not stand up to scrutiny when looking at things in super slow motion. Bitching about it gets you nowhere, so it is completely pointless. If you can step back and look at things objectively, you might be able to enjoy life more, and not get annoyed by people who are able to do so (as you put it earlier).

These are trained professionals; they make big bucks for this shit. My biggest issue with refs, in general, is that they make calls based on what they THINK probably happened, rather than making calls based on what they actually saw....That's the only reason why people are able to 'sell' penalties.

There has also been a lack of consistency with calls on plays that are right in front of the refs.

And you say whining about the refs "gets you nowhere, so it is completely pointless" - well whining about how bad our players, coaches, GM, owner, prospects, etc. are doesn't do anything either, so that statement is pretty much irrelevant...

Again, I'm not saying better reffing would change the outcome of this series - we fucking suck - but that doesn't take away from the fact that reffing has in fact been horrible in that it has been incosistent and favoured one side more than the other, quite possibly due to the Sharks selling the penalties better....and I don't blame the Sharks; as a player, you do whatever it takes to win - I blame our guys for not being good enough at selling more calls, and I blame the refs for being so easy to fool. (Again, blaming for the huge discrepancy in penalties, not for the losses, not like we do shit with powerplays anyway...)

Gnight

[SkinnyPupp]

o ok

[bballguy]

o ok

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[pastarocket]

-still wearing my Canucks jersey
to support the team despite the uphill battle. A Canucks fan for life.

I wonder how many strangers in the elevator will talk to me about
the team because of the orca logo.

Go Canucks go! Play for each other not
for the idiot AV!!!
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[68style]

That's what 4.2 mill gets you in Vancouver?

Welp...Anyone have some hydroponics I can borrow?


He has so many pretty crystal chandeliers... even in his bedroom... that's so cute.

[murd0c]

-still wearing my Canucks jersey
to support the team despite the uphill battle. A Canucks fan for life.

I wonder how many strangers in the elevator will talk to me about
the team because of the orca logo.

Go Canucks go! Play for each other not
for the idiot AV!!!
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Wearing my jersey to work today, win or lose I'm a fan but truthfully I want them to lose tonight cause changes need to happen