[dinamix]

minnesota is not going to drastically improve with these two players. they still have alot of holes to fill. Its not the NBA.

[spideyv2]

We found ourselves the new Rome

Jamie Joslin @jamjos25
Congrats to my bro @Djos27 on being
signed to the Vancouver Canucks for this
upcoming season!!! Wahoo
# proudcanadianteam
Retweeted by Canucks Hockey Blog

[Mike Oxbig]

22% of their cap on two players who is the best american LW and best american D. Time to start a new tradition in hockey state usa. Now i can finally go to some wilds game now without falling asleep!

[cliffhanger33]

would u guys consider parise as a top 10 forward or a top 20?

[JKam]

Top 20 for sure. Top 10 is a tough call.

Crosby, Malkin, Ovie, Stamkos, Giroux and the twins are 7 already haha.

[spideyv2]

Parise is a bit overrated IMO. He holds around the same value as a healthy Kesler.

[Mike Oxbig]

Are we a cup favourite team yet?

Sedin - Sedin - Semin/Doan (top RW from luongo trade)
Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen
Raymond - Malhotra - Kassian

Hamhuis Bieksa
Edler Garrsion
Ballard Tanev

#35

[MR_BIGGS]

Top 20 for sure. Top 10 is a tough call.

Crosby, Malkin, Ovie, Stamkos, Giroux and the twins are 7 already haha.

I don't think Parise is overrated, but he's in my top 20. Off the top, here's my list in no particular order:

Sidney Crosby
Evengi Malkin
Steven Stamkos
Jonathan Toews
Calude Giroux
Alex Ovechkin
John Tavares
Pavel Datsyuk
Rick Nash
Zac Parise
Daniel Sedin
Henrik Sedin
Jason Spezza
Ryan Getzlaf
Corey Perry
Anze Kopitar
Eric Staal
Iyla Kovalchuk
Patrick Kane
Joe Thornton

[Mike Oxbig]

now that ryder is out of the top 6 roll in dallas any chance he might be available for cheap?

[highfive]

I don't think Parise is overrated, but he's in my top 20. Off the top, here's my list in no particular order:

Sidney Crosby
Evengi Malkin
Steven Stamkos
Jonathan Toews
Calude Giroux
Alex Ovechkin
John Tavares
Pavel Datsyuk
Rick Nash
Zac Parise
Daniel Sedin
Henrik Sedin
Jason Spezza
Ryan Getzlaf
Corey Perry
Anze Kopitar
Eric Staal
Iyla Kovalchuk
Patrick Kane
Joe Thornton

Kane? I would put St Louis over Kane.

I forgot which GM said this, but they said when you want to build a winning team, you need good centres as much as you need a good goalie. Or something in those terms.

But if you look at the top players in the league. Majority of them are centres.

Sidney Crosby
Evengi Malkin
Steven Stamkos
Jonathan Toews
Calude Giroux
John Tavares
Pavel Datsyuk
Henrik Sedin
Jason Spezza
Ryan Getzlaf
Anze Kopitar
Eric Staal
Joe Thornton

[MR_BIGGS]

Kane? I would put St Louis over Kane.

I forgot which GM said this, but they said when you want to build a winning team, you need good centres as much as you need a good goalie. Or something in those terms.

But if you look at the top players in the league. Majority of them are centres.

Sidney Crosby
Evengi Malkin
Steven Stamkos
Jonathan Toews
Calude Giroux
John Tavares
Pavel Datsyuk
Henrik Sedin
Jason Spezza
Ryan Getzlaf
Anze Kopitar
Eric Staal
Joe Thornton

Ya you could slide in either one. Thing is Kane is only 23 whereas St Louis is 37.

[dinamix]

^ giroux and datsyuk should be there

[604778]

makes me sad...

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/319392_10151082685570996_1422351293_n.jpg

[AWDTurboLuvr]

^ giroux and datsyuk should be there

They are.

[highfive]

makes me sad...

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/319392_10151082685570996_1422351293_n.jpg


NHL13, start Canucks GM mode. First action, trade ______ for Sami Salo.


A little hockey news aside from Suter and Parise.

Kyreos Twitter
Great news on #Coyotes Brett MacLean. He's awake and coherent. Hope is to move out of I.C.U soon. Cause of collapse still undetermined.

MacLean suffered a cardiac emergency. Good news that he's awake now.

[Gh0stRider]

parise is from minny and so is his wife. family comes first

he also said it was down to minny or NJ

Suter it was down to Nashville, Detroit or Minny.

[cliffhanger33]

I don't think Parise is overrated, but he's in my top 20. Off the top, here's my list in no particular order:

Sidney Crosby
Evengi Malkin
Steven Stamkos
Jonathan Toews
Calude Giroux
Alex Ovechkin
John Tavares
Pavel Datsyuk
Rick Nash
Zac Parise
Daniel Sedin
Henrik Sedin
Jason Spezza
Ryan Getzlaf
Corey Perry
Anze Kopitar
Eric Staal
Iyla Kovalchuk
Patrick Kane
Joe Thornton

Idk But I think Benn should be somewhere on the list

[Ikkaku]

no love for Gaborik or Couture? :lol

[Ronin]

Not in the top 20. Couture might be in the top 50. Gaborik maybe 30-40.

And you can't put Benn on a list that doesn't have James Neal.

[hotshot1]

Omg thank you Parise and Suter for not going to Detroit.

I'm pretty excited for this year. Detroit and Nashville aren't the same. Minny improved a bit, but not enough for them to cause much damage. Imo, LA and St. Louis are the only threats and the good thing is that they're both in different conferences.

I think it's likely that us, La, and STL will win the respective conferences, which means that we'll face them in the later stages of the playoffs, where anything can happen.

Seems like this is an awesome year for us to make the conference finals, barring injury or some unexpected team surprises us, a la LA this year.

[Expresso]

Omg thank you Parise and Suter for not going to Detroit.

I'm pretty excited for this year. Detroit and Nashville aren't the same. Minny improved a bit, but not enough for them to cause much damage. Imo, LA and St. Louis are the only threats and the good thing is that they're both in different conferences.

I think it's likely that us, La, and STL will win the respective conferences, which means that we'll face them in the later stages of the playoffs, where anything can happen.

Seems like this is an awesome year for us to make the conference finals, barring injury or some unexpected team surprises us, a la LA this year.

I guess that's one way to look at it if you're an optimist.

[AzNightmare]

Way to early to predict anything like that. Injuries always alter things.
Players in slumps, teams making blockbuster trades near deadline, etc

Anything can happen. Thinking about an easy path through playoffs
Is making the same mistake twice...

[Verdasco]

via tsn comment section


pepstilence
1 hour ago


Wow. What else can you say? Looks good on the Canuck fans who have been running their mouths about Presidents trophies. Looks like there will be one more team that makes the playoffs in the Northwest. Great day for hockey in Minnesota

what a fucking tool.... adding suiter and parise to the wilds doesnt mean they will make the playoffs... or the top of the northwest.

[RRxtar]

I hope this isnt the new trend where every top 50 player looks for a 10+ year 100 million dollar contract

[AWDTurboLuvr]

Minnesota had a great first half of the season and then the wheels fell off. They are already a tough team to face against just had very little counter attack. While they might not be challengers for the Cup, they are a lot more competitive now. They have Brodin, Coyle, Phillips and Granlund as their top prospects that will either be with the team this year (Granlund and perhaps Brodin on D) or next year. Plus with Cullen and PMB off the books next year, with another potentially deep UFA list to try to pick from, Fletcher has done a great move for the Wild.

[mickz]

Idk But I think Benn should be somewhere on the list

Jamie Benn is a good player but his name probably won't start showing up until you make a top 40 or 50 list. Top 20 is still pretty elite.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Northwest is gonna be tougher to win this season.
All the teams have improved except for Calgary. They'll probably finish last in the division.

[spideyv2]

Northwest is gonna be tougher to win this season.
All the teams have improved except for Calgary. They'll probably finish last in the division.

Tegradevil says otherwise :lol

[hotshot1]

^^ Did we really improve?

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Higgins-Kesler-Booth
???-Lapierre-Hansen
???-Malholtra-Kassian

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
Ballard-Tanev

Schneider
Luongo

IMO Cancuks will win the division but I think it all depends on who Luongo will bring back to be good enough to challenge for the cup.

[OGCStrike]

^ raymond third line? kassian in bottom 6 is just wasting his talent..:okay:

[Not really racist!]

Okay.. don't kid yourselves guys... we're nearly the same team as last season.. lol

Maybe when Lu gets moved or we get another top 6 or impact forward.

[spideyv2]

Yup, we need a top 6 and a solid 3rd centre, a la malhotra before the freak accident

[AzNightmare]

lol, Canucks haven't gotten any better. Thinking otherwise is just homerism talk.

Garrison replaced Salo. Maybe a slight upgrade. That's pretty much it.

I assume Kassian's still going to be a 3rd/4th liner this season.

I wish Luongo can get us back an impact player, but more probable that we're going to end up getting some top 6 player like
Booth or Higgens, and few other assets... which I personally don't think it will do anything. I think we need an actual elite player for the final push.

[jeedee]

Can't wait to see what Schroeder can do. The opportunity is there with Kesler injured.

Our young guys need to step up. I'd love to see a rookie line of Jensen-Schroeder-Kassian but that'd never happen with AV coaching...

[kristianhay]

Jensen might get a shot, he was the last cut last year and has only gotten better. He's either playing with the Canucks or in Sweden so he should challenge for a spot.

[Gh0stRider]

done deal. Matt carle signs 6yrs with tampa bay

[Tim Budong]

TB has some guns now

[spideyv2]

what's all this hype about Jensen? he looked decent in his pre-season stint with us, but imo, corrado impressed me more. Also, Jensen was barely a PPG player in the OHL this year.

CDC hypes him up to be the next great powerforward.

[spideyv2]

TB has some guns now

Not even. They have a bunch of overage forwards, and overage, overpaid, fragile D.

edit - wow, $5.5 aav for Carle. Looks like Edler is in for a big raise

[Grandmaster TSE]

theres still plenty of time before the regular season starts, plenty of time to get deals done to strengthen our team

[murd0c]

I'm more happy about Detroit not picking up anyone big so far. I'm really surprised as well

[Ronin]

$5.5m for Matt Carle is nuts.

[cliffhanger33]

matt carle signed to tampa
Lightning sign D Carle to six-year, $33M contract (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399944)

[RiceIntegraRS]

I actually like how TBay is looking. When healthy i believe they are one of the top teams. Scoring isnt the issue with them. It was there goals against, by adding Carle and Salo it will help them drasticaly. Im just not sold on there Goaltending just yet. Time will tell.

[rsx]

What's TB's depth looking like?

Lecav is clearly dogging it and St. Louis can't be Selanne 2.0 forever.

[tonyzoomzoom]

TB needs a goalie...



someone like bobby lu ;)

[Grandmaster TSE]

they don't have the money for Lu after overpaying all these Dmen

[!Nhan]

what's all this hype about Jensen? he looked decent in his pre-season stint with us, but imo, corrado impressed me more. Also, Jensen was barely a PPG player in the OHL this year.

CDC hypes him up to be the next great powerforward.

IMO you don't have to be a PPG player in order to be a good one. Parise would be the best example as he's only been over a PPG player twice in his career, and his career average is roughly .8 PPG. I've yet to really see Jensen do his thing, but it could be the intangibles he brings. Holmstrom and Franzen aren't PPG players, but it's what they do infront of the net that makes them valuable to their teams.

[Ronin]

TB is all in on Lindback as their starter. You don't make a trade like that if you aren't counting on that guy being the starting goalie.

[GrapeDrink]

^ yep, and they loading up the D to give him every chance to succeed, the rest is up to lindback to give them 50-60 solid starts, if they can get that, tampa is at the very least a playoff team.

[dbaz]

people are big on jensen because hes a big body with offensive skill. he has decent speed and a good wrist shot. put up basically a ppg average in juniors/u20 tourny on teams that were not that good. upon being called up to the ahl he produced 6 goals in 8 games.

[Gilgamesh]

IMO you don't have to be a PPG player in order to be a good one. Parise would be the best example as he's only been over a PPG player twice in his career, and his career average is roughly .8 PPG. I've yet to really see Jensen do his thing, but it could be the intangibles he brings. Holmstrom and Franzen aren't PPG players, but it's what they do infront of the net that makes them valuable to their teams.
I do agree that you need intangibles. On the statistical side of things, Parise was well over a ppg player in NCAA. I think Jayares was comparing minor league performances. A typical decent 2nd line power forward does not need to be a ppg, he just needs ~50 points (Jensen is projected as top 6).There are notable exceptions of players who did not perform well in the minor leagues. An example would be Tobias Ernstrom. I think he can turn out to be top 6 although his OHL stats are not promising because I would expect him to improve from 2010-11 season. 58 pts in 61 games to 58 in 57 is not cause to celebrate, but he did score 4 ahl goals in 6 games. (regular season)

[mickz]

I still doubt Luongo will get moved any time soon. The asking price is simply too high and the tandem of Luongo/Schneider looks more reassuring than Schneider/Lack or Schneider/Veteran back up; especially if they have a slow start.

Luongo's played pretty solid in the regular season, he just lacks the same consistency in the playoffs, but then again, so do the players who play in front of him.

Can't wait to see what Schroeder can do. The opportunity is there with Kesler injured.

Our young guys need to step up. I'd love to see a rookie line of Jensen-Schroeder-Kassian but that'd never happen with AV coaching...

Exactly. AV hates young players. It's very difficult for the Canucks to develop any of their young talent if they spend most of their time out of the line up or on the bench. It's not like the Canucks are a borderline playoff team, they should take chances with their young players in key situations and in tight games.

[kwy]

Obviously Lu/Schneids looks great as a tandem, but 35 has basically taken over the starting position, and Lu isn't the type of guy that is happy with playing backup..regardless of how much he's paid. He won't stay here for much longer.

[LP700-4]

I still doubt Luongo will get moved any time soon. The asking price is simply too high and the tandem of Luongo/Schneider looks more reassuring than Schneider/Lack or Schneider/Veteran back up; especially if they have a slow start.

Luongo's played pretty solid in the regular season, he just lacks the same consistency in the playoffs, but then again, so do the players who play in front of him.



+1, im gonna guess that they will start with both of them. With two good goalies, they will have to play hard to get #1 status.

Since Schneider doesnt have a NTC or anything, it will be easier to move him in case we need to move one.

I think if any of them move, it wont happen anytime soon, it will be closer to the 2013 trade deadline.

[kwy]

Having two goalies competing for the starting job is going to make for a pretty awkward locker room.

[spideyv2]

I do agree that you need intangibles. On the statistical side of things, Parise was well over a ppg player in NCAA. I think Jayares was comparing minor league performances. A typical decent 2nd line power forward does not need to be a ppg, he just needs ~50 points (Jensen is projected as top 6).There are notable exceptions of players who did not perform well in the minor leagues. An example would be Tobias Ernstrom. I think he can turn out to be top 6 although his OHL stats are not promising because I would expect him to improve from 2010-11 season. 58 pts in 61 games to 58 in 57 is not cause to celebrate, but he did score 4 ahl goals in 6 games. (regular season)

True.

I just don't see why majority of the people on CDC are already guaranteeing him a spot in the top 6. He still seems a bit rusty and rough around the edges. There's no need to rush him.

[dbaz]

True.

I just don't see why majority of the people on CDC are already guaranteeing him a spot in the top 6. He still seems a bit rusty and rough around the edges. There's no need to rush him.

cdc thought steve kariya, fedor fedorov and brandon reid were the next reincarnation of bure and gretzky. its cdc nothing is really worth taking seriously there

[b0unce. [?]]

lu and schneids will prob just flip a coin or rock paper scissors to play :lol

[kristianhay]

True.

I just don't see why majority of the people on CDC are already guaranteeing him a spot in the top 6. He still seems a bit rusty and rough around the edges. There's no need to rush him.

I haven't seen many people guaranteeing him a top 6 spot, but I don't see why he shouldn't have a shot at it. Our second line is lacking something and if Jensen can bring it, why not? Giving him a shot > guaranteeing Raymond a spot on the second to start the year. If he performs well in camp there's no reason that he shouldn't crack the roster. If he's up to the level of play it's not really rushing him. Give him 9 games if he deserves it and go from there.

The guy has great skills and is oozing with potential.

Nicklas Jensen 2011-2012 Wolves Highlights - YouTube

[sonick]

Canucks confirm winger Dale Weise has filed for salary arbitration. RFA depth defenceman Derek Joslin expected to sign two-way deal.

[PornMaster]

I haven't seen many people guaranteeing him a top 6 spot, but I don't see why he shouldn't have a shot at it. Our second line is lacking something and if Jensen can bring it, why not? Giving him a shot > guaranteeing Raymond a spot on the second to start the year. If he performs well in camp there's no reason that he shouldn't crack the roster. If he's up to the level of play it's not really rushing him. Give him 9 games if he deserves it and go from there.

The guy has great skills and is oozing with potential.

Nicklas Jensen 2011-2012 Wolves Highlights - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWgSSAzl1hA&feature=plcp)

i see more skill than hodgson

[spoon.ek9]

Canucks confirm winger Dale Weise has filed for salary arbitration. RFA depth defenceman Derek Joslin expected to sign two-way deal.

Really? Weise was an adequate 4th liner but he's gonna get destroyed at an arbitration meeting lol..

[sh0n]

I haven't seen many people guaranteeing him a top 6 spot, but I don't see why he shouldn't have a shot at it. Our second line is lacking something and if Jensen can bring it, why not? Giving him a shot > guaranteeing Raymond a spot on the second to start the year. If he performs well in camp there's no reason that he shouldn't crack the roster. If he's up to the level of play it's not really rushing him. Give him 9 games if he deserves it and go from there.

The guy has great skills and is oozing with potential.

Nicklas Jensen 2011-2012 Wolves Highlights - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWgSSAzl1hA&feature=plcp)

Thanks for the vid of Jensen.

I really would like to see the kids come up to play and stick around on the Canucks.

We need some youth, excitement and new energy to push the Canucks over the edge.

Last 3-4 years it's been too predictable. Shut down the Sedins and Kesler and it's GG. To be the most competitive team night in and night out you need 3 scoring lines and a 4th line as your checking line that can put in a timely goal.

[spideyv2]

I haven't seen many people guaranteeing him a top 6 spot, but I don't see why he shouldn't have a shot at it. Our second line is lacking something and if Jensen can bring it, why not? Giving him a shot > guaranteeing Raymond a spot on the second to start the year. If he performs well in camp there's no reason that he shouldn't crack the roster. If he's up to the level of play it's not really rushing him. Give him 9 games if he deserves it and go from there.

The guy has great skills and is oozing with potential.

Nicklas Jensen 2011-2012 Wolves Highlights - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWgSSAzl1hA&feature=plcp)

Wow, dont think i've ever seen this before. He definitely looks promising in those clips.

[cliffhanger33]

Media Release: Canucks have signed defencemen Derek Joslin and Patrick Mullen.

(Depth) :considered:

[AzNightmare]

Too bad AV's going to be like...

Jensen's pretty good :considered:

But he's a rookie :fuckthatshit:

[cliffhanger33]

LOLOLOL "Steve Nash Traded to the LA Kings"

Steve Nash to the LA Kings? Oh, Toronto | Puck Daddy - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/steve-nash-la-kings-oh-toronto-131729358--nhl.html)

Media fail :rukidding::rukidding::rukidding::rukidding:

[spoon.ek9]

It seems like the only rookie AV likes is Tanev. Hopefully he gives the younger kids room to make their mistakes, learn and grow. He hasn't done a good job of that in the past at all but c'est la vie.

[Durrann]

Media Release: Canucks have signed defencemen Derek Joslin and Patrick Mullen.

(Depth) :considered:

Patrick Mullen shoots right..

to replace Salo LOL!

[cliffhanger33]

we need to do some impact signing ...... not ahl fill ins

[sonick]

lol so is it confirmed that strombone is luongo?

Strombone ‏@strombone1

It's time for guess where I am right now? Winner earns a follow! One guess per person. Hint:Don't say taking a crap like most of u last time

[murd0c]

^ how is that confirmed? he's on a plane.

[sonick]

Never said that was confirmation, was asking if it was confirmed or not because the tweet would be funny if it were actually him.

[Ikkaku]

:lol i like how he clearly states don't guess that he's on the crapper

[UFO]

It seems like the only rookie AV likes is Tanev. Hopefully he gives the younger kids room to make their mistakes, learn and grow. He hasn't done a good job of that in the past at all but c'est la vie.

I love Tanev and the way he sees the ice, they way he's willing to take the hit to make the play. His downside is the way he's willing to take the hit to make a play, and how often he has to take those hits. He's not a big guy, he gets rocked hard and often but just bounces back up. It's ok now that he's young, but in 5 years, he won't be bouncing back up near as quick.

I wonder how hard MG leaned into AV during his contract renewal to better utilize his assets. I'm sure MG wants some young blood developed for use or trade, and Ballard's 4.2M sitting up in the press box is surely not a preference. With Rome gone and Garrison replacing Salo, that should open up a regular roster spot for Ballard. MG forcing AV's hand a bit? :fullofwin:

[JesseBlue]

i don't see any issues with the way av coaches...put yourself in his position...he cares about the wins...if a vet will give him a better chance at winning, he'll use him...this talk of using rookies and letting them develop/grow, should be done in the ahl. every coach knows that they will get fired for losing...looks like a double edged sword

[Gh0stRider]

WEBER 'STILL IN DISBELIEF' THAT UFA SUTER LEFT NASHVILLE :alone:

Weber 'still in disbelief' that UFA Suter left Nashville (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399987)

[winson604]

i don't see any issues with the way av coaches...put yourself in his position...he cares about the wins...if a vet will give him a better chance at winning, he'll use him...this talk of using rookies and letting them develop/grow, should be done in the ahl. every coach knows that they will get fired for losing...looks like a double edged sword

2 words

Mason Raymond :fullofwin:

[Blah_Teggie]

Does anybody remember a big ticket UFA like a Suter, Parise, Richards, Drury, Gomez, Hossa etc ever stay with their old team after July 1st? It seems like if they don't have a contract with their old teams by July 1st, you can pretty guarantee they're leaving. Dunno why Poile or Lamorello actually thinks they have a chance their guys will actually sign with them. They're only fooling themselves. Those GMs owe it to their fans to either trade them at trade deadline or trade their rights for a draft pick instead of losing them for nothing.

[Noir]

Having two goalies competing for the starting job is going to make for a pretty awkward locker room.

Not to mention you have your ex-captain now riding the back seat to your young gun goaltender.

I mean, I know he's chilled out as of late, but I don't think his ego can handle that.


i don't see any issues with the way av coaches...put yourself in his position...he cares about the wins...if a vet will give him a better chance at winning, he'll use him...this talk of using rookies and letting them develop/grow, should be done in the ahl. every coach knows that they will get fired for losing...looks like a double edged sword

How about the well known tendancy to prefer blue-collar players over skill players therefore driving our talent pool away. ie: Grabner, Hodgson, (maybe in the future Schroeder, and Rodin).

I see people complaining now about our forward depth (waiting for a trade for someone in the top 6). Well no shit you have to. Our system is currently chasing these kids away.

[murd0c]

i don't see any issues with the way av coaches...put yourself in his position...he cares about the wins...if a vet will give him a better chance at winning, he'll use him...this talk of using rookies and letting them develop/grow, should be done in the ahl. every coach knows that they will get fired for losing...looks like a double edged sword

It's all about using the players in your orginization to be able to get over that hump. We just can't trade for players but we need to find a diamond in the rough and with AV's current coaching style hes giving no one a chance. Other then Edler who has come out of no where from the Canucks? I can't think of the last time a 2nd, 3rd 4th round pick made a difference and thats one big thing the Canucks are missing right now.

[RRxtar]

hansen, burrows, edler, bieksa all had their first full seasons as canucks under AV and were all 3rd round or later or undrafted. granted burrows and bieksa were call ups the year before.

the reason you arent seeing alot of young guys make the team is because there simply ISNT A SPOT FOR THEM. ya it would be nice to see some young draft picks make the team, but which of the vets would you like to sub out for a young inexperienced draft pick aside from raymond? and dont say something silly like you want to see schroeder on the 4th line instead of whoever because thats not his roll.


keep an eye out for connauton getting a call up this year tho

[JesseBlue]

well winning the president's trophy twice is certainly a great accomplishment and certainly you cant say that there is a problem with his coaching...

now winning the other cup....that's the next step...

[murd0c]

With the lack of a 4th line and even complete 3rd line at points it's a better idea then trading or signing a filler which we have been doing. Yes we all know about burrows and Hanson but how long ago is that now? It's more like a what have you done for me lately type of scenario.

[spoon.ek9]

well winning the president's trophy twice is certainly a great accomplishment and certainly you cant say that there is a problem with his coaching...

now winning the other cup....that's the next step...

actually, we can say there's a problem with his coaching as even AV himself admitted that he wasn't well prepared for the playoff series against the Kings. winning the PT is nice but it sure as shit doesn't guarantee us a cup.

You can't deny AV has a tendency to bench the skilled players in favour of the gritty players who remind him of himself back in his playing days. I swear MG got rid of Rome to send AV a message (not that we really needed him either way) :lol

[Mike Oxbig]

lol canucks fans too spoiled and canucks players are overly confident at times and have missed opportunities...

AV usually out coach the opposition because everyone buys into the coaching system but other players usually out play the vancouver canucks

[RRxtar]

canuck fan logic:

coach gets out-coached by the coach who had his team playing unstoppable hockey and absolutely dominated every team in the playoffs to win the cup faster than any team in god knows how long.... fire top 5 coach in the NHL to replace with..... no better coaches available.

[Hondaracer]

special teams is what needs work

that break in that we had at the beggning of the season was genius, but when it stopped working we never adapted

[pure.life]

special teams is what needs work

that break in that we had at the beggning of the season was genius, but when it stopped working we never adapted

oh the infamous drop pass :fullofwin:

[highfive]

and Edler unwilling to shoot the damn puck...

Thank god for Garrison, someone who will just blast his shot through.

[RRxtar]

that drop pass got embarrassing. it was like they stopped practicing it too. but man it worked well for a long time

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah it was embarrassing as fuck to see Boston eat them alive whenever they tried that drop pass :heckno:

[cliffhanger33]

our drop passes used to be such a beauty :')

[rsx]

Adaptation...AV's weakness.

[murd0c]

Adaptation...AV's weakness.

He's actually adapted very well from the pre lockout hockey but he does need to be more adaptable during a game if the game plan isn't working. Just needs to be a bit more spontaneous to keep the other teams second guessing.

[Tapioca]

canuck fan logic:

coach gets out-coached by the coach who had his team playing unstoppable hockey and absolutely dominated every team in the playoffs to win the cup faster than any team in god knows how long.... fire top 5 coach in the NHL to replace with..... no better coaches available.

Ted Nolan is probably one of the better coaches who's not coaching somewhere in the league.

[UFO]

AV usually out coach the opposition because everyone buys into the coaching system but other players usually out play the vancouver canucks

I actually have to disagree completely. Case in point the 2011 SCF run. I think AV was out-coached in the majority of the 4 series, but different players were good and dominant enough to make up for that lack overall coherence. The systems and processes that they speak of all the time was not consistent at all through the playoffs.

2012 playoffs we were unlucky to face a hot team at a hot time. But the way the Canucks were playing, IF we had somehow got past LA I don't think there was any way we'd get past any of the teams in round 2 because of that lack of coherence again, and the players individually weren't good enough this playoffs to overcome that.

He's actually adapted very well from the pre lockout hockey but he does need to be more adaptable during a game if the game plan isn't working. Just needs to be a bit more spontaneous to keep the other teams second guessing.

I'm willing to cut him some slack during a game. But over the course of a 4-7 game series, you dissect the opponents weaknesses and use it to your advantage. I didn't see much of that the last 2 playoff runs. What I saw was coach saying our team is good enough to beat whatever game the opposition throws at us, and they end up exploiting our weaknesses.

[jeedee]

I just hope the team rolls 3 scoring lines and 1 checking line.

The 2 scoring lines 2 checking lines we had last season was fucking retarded.

[stuff99]

Does anybody remember a big ticket UFA like a Suter, Parise, Richards, Drury, Gomez, Hossa etc ever stay with their old team after July 1st? It seems like if they don't have a contract with their old teams by July 1st, you can pretty guarantee they're leaving. Dunno why Poile or Lamorello actually thinks they have a chance their guys will actually sign with them. They're only fooling themselves. Those GMs owe it to their fans to either trade them at trade deadline or trade their rights for a draft pick instead of losing them for nothing.

Sedins got signed the morning of July 1st.

[mickz]

i don't see any issues with the way av coaches...put yourself in his position...he cares about the wins...if a vet will give him a better chance at winning, he'll use him...this talk of using rookies and letting them develop/grow, should be done in the ahl. every coach knows that they will get fired for losing...looks like a double edged sword

What do you do when your veterans aren't productive? Keep them on the ice and play a short bench or do you change it up and give your younger players a shot?

It's not like the Canucks are guaranteeing themselves a win by playing veterans either. Not being afraid to play young players late in tight games will help them learn and gain experience. You won't be able to simulate this in the AHL.

There have been many players who played well in the AHL but didn't/haven't had the same success in the NHL. Search Jason Krog, Alexandre Giroux, Darren Haydar, Peter White. Look up any AHL records or top point scorers in each year and they're mostly no names. The more successful players may have a start in the AHL but they develop by playing NHL minutes.

lol canucks fans too spoiled and canucks players are overly confident at times and have missed opportunities...

AV usually out coach the opposition because everyone buys into the coaching system but other players usually out play the vancouver canucks

canuck fan logic:

coach gets out-coached by the coach who had his team playing unstoppable hockey and absolutely dominated every team in the playoffs to win the cup faster than any team in god knows how long.... fire top 5 coach in the NHL to replace with..... no better coaches available.

When has AV ever out-coached the opposition? Other than the constant line juggling, what changes does he make to his game plan to out-coach an opponent? He has one game plan and abides by it religiously regardless of how ineffective it may be.

The Canucks had trouble scoring goals during the SCF and in the first round of the 2012 playoffs. He kept the same game plan and it simply didn't work. I mentioned the 2006 Oilers here before. MacT introduced a defence first system when the Oilers barely squeezed into 8th place ahead of the Canucks and they took out the President Trophy winning Red Wings.

AV just luckily caught on with the Canucks when they had the most talented roster in the team's history. You can put anyone behind this bench and get similar results.

If something isn't working then you need to make changes to make it work. You can't keep beating it with the same hammer and expect a different result.

Adaptation...AV's weakness.

Best description of his style... or lack of.

[GrapeDrink]

Does anybody remember a big ticket UFA like a Suter, Parise, Richards, Drury, Gomez, Hossa etc ever stay with their old team after July 1st? It seems like if they don't have a contract with their old teams by July 1st, you can pretty guarantee they're leaving. Dunno why Poile or Lamorello actually thinks they have a chance their guys will actually sign with them. They're only fooling themselves. Those GMs owe it to their fans to either trade them at trade deadline or trade their rights for a draft pick instead of losing them for nothing.

well to be fair both New Jersey and Nashville were gearing up a cup run, nashville went all in at the deadline, and jersey went to the cup finals. You would think a cup might have made them stay so I guess it was worth a shot. No one would have given them much a garunteed pick for the rights to a UFA, they would have been conditional so unless they were traded to minny they woulda gotten nothing anyways.

[UFO]

^not fully true. Hamhuis' rights were traded twice before the Canucks signed him. The Pens gave up a 3rd rounder I believe. Philly gave up Ryan Parent for his rights. Neither of these deals were conditional on Hamhuis signing.

[punkwax]

"You know, we'll stick to the process here.."

[SkinnyPupp]

AH, so now I finally realized - the Canucks have been winning all these games, coming within 1 win of having it all, IN SPITE of their coach. Damn if only we'd realized this sooner!

[Expresso]

Ted Nolan is probably one of the better coaches who's not coaching somewhere in the league.

Why so high on Nolan? Didn't do much when he was with the Islanders.

[mickz]

AH, so now I finally realized - the Canucks have been winning all these games, coming within 1 win of having it all, IN SPITE of their coach. Damn if only we'd realized this sooner!

The Canucks were lucky they even got 3 wins in the SCF. All 3 were games were won by 1 goal while Boston absolutely massacred them in their 4 wins.

The Canucks could only score 8 goals in the entire series. .. Bruins scored 8 in game 3 alone. Vancouver had two opportunity to close out the series and win the cup and it didn't happen.

No changes were made to their game plan despite not being able to score or stop goals. Their style of play couldn't match up to the size of the Bruins and AV made no changes to even try and combat this.

[Hondaracer]

How do you combat size if you don't have players to go toe to toe?

As for Ted Nolan, he's fucked up pretty bad both times he's been to the NHL, he won't have another gig in the big leagues

[punkwax]

I don't think AV is to blame for us not winning the cup. You'd have to be a fool to think that IMO. Coaches provide game plans, strategies etc but its the player who has to match the effort level and sheer determination to win. Canucks didn't do that if you ask me.

[SkinnyPupp]

The Canucks were lucky they even got 3 wins in the SCF. All 3 were games were won by 1 goal while Boston absolutely massacred them in their 4 wins.

The Canucks could only score 8 goals in the entire series. .. Bruins scored 8 in game 3 alone. Vancouver had two opportunity to close out the series and win the cup and it didn't happen.

No changes were made to their game plan despite not being able to score or stop goals. Their style of play couldn't match up to the size of the Bruins and AV made no changes to even try and combat this.
So basicaly you think AV should have gone on the ice himself after Rome got suspended or something like that? :derp:

[AbbyKW]

Regardless of what happened the previous 6 games of the SCF the nux had a chance to close out on home ice and didn't. Boston was the better team that night and arguable throughout the whole series. AV is a great coach but does have some problems adapting while in game like others have mentioned. He WILL take us to the SCF again .. hopefully sooner then later. As for this off season we are going need more then Garrison to fill the roster. Another top 6 FWD and hard nosed defencemen would be nice. Luongo trade rumours continue, who knows what we could get for him in trade value.

[murd0c]

It doesn't matter what happened over a year ago... There has been a whole season since then and there isn't a point of talking about it because everything has changed since then...

[murd0c]

No real surprise

Roberto Luongo’s writing appears to be very much on the wall in Vancouver | Backhand Shelf | Blogs | theScore.com (http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/07/06/roberto-luongos-writing-appears-to-be-very-much-on-the-wall-in-vancouver/)

[Ronin]

I just don't read anything by anyone that thinks AV is a bad coach. It's always absolute crap.

[spideyv2]

I just don't read anything by anyone that thinks AV is a bad coach. It's always absolute crap.

I just don't read anything by anyone who makes remarks about how no top notch free agent will sign in Minnesota



:troll:

[b0unce. [?]]

in that interview, lu sounds so sad to leave. but eager to leave because he feels no one in the city wants him anymore.

[rsx]

The series against Boston was the final straw for me on AV and the Sedins. Seeing those guys get punched in the face was biggest insult and disrespect for the club. That was terrible for team morale.

[hotshot1]

The interview:
The Jeff O'Neil Show VS Roberto Luongo by 993thefox on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free (http://soundcloud.com/993thefox/the-jeff-oneil-show-vs-roberto)

[Tim Budong]

he didnt say yes or no to @strombone1
and peeing in the shower..
HHA

[JD¹³]

;7968593']in that interview, lu sounds so sad to leave. but eager to leave because he feels no one in the city wants him anymore.
And that's pathetic. I've got one photo for everyone criticizing his play and calling for his trade:

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ice+Hockey+Day+17+v1ncO9xC5bP+FlS4kaD02RV+1024x102 4.jpg

He did more for this city than any goaltender ever will.

[Mike Oxbig]

trade #35 for a powerforward and make another run for the cup, 1 more yr... :')

[spoon.ek9]

I truly hope the fans will do something to show their gratitude when Lu ends up leaving. Even seeing him off at the airport and thanking him for his hard work would be a nice, respectful gesture.

Love him or hate him as a Canuck, he is the winningest goalie in our team's history.

[Tim Budong]

I truly hope the fans will do something to show their gratitude when Lu ends up leaving. Even seeing him off at the airport and thanking him for his hard work would be a nice, respectful gesture.

Love him or hate him as a Canuck, he is the winningest goalie in our team's history.

yea by whining more
thats how this city is

[SkinnyPupp]

And that's pathetic. I've got one photo for everyone criticizing his play and calling for his trade:

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ice+Hockey+Day+17+v1ncO9xC5bP+FlS4kaD02RV+1024x102 4.jpg

He did more for this city than any goaltender ever will.
What you can't even see Crosby in that picture :suspicious:

[AzNightmare]

A skill team that is the league's best PP goes 2/33 in seven games.
No Shit Boston was like :fuckthatshit: and gooning.
Retaliate or not, canucks game plan was to remain composed and score on the powerplay,
But obviously that strategy went to shit.


Critics won't shutup just because of Luongo's gold medal.
Its still too easy for them to debate that he was behind the worlds best players
And that any backup goalie could have won too.

Haters gonna hate.

[highfive]

This is roughly of what I remembered about Luongo in his 6 years here.

Yr. 1 - He was god like. I remembered him getting 47 wins almost beating out Brodeur for the Vezina. He won the Jack Adams for AV. Crazy playoffs against Dallas. Then the last game against Anaheim, he had the "equipment problem" and lost the game because he lost sight of the puck thinking there is a penalty.

Yr. 2 - Missed the playoffs. I think this was the year his wife was pregnant and he had to fly out and it became a distraction to him.

Yr. 3 - Swept the Blues but lost to Chicago. Couldn't beat big buff and kane.

Yr. 4 - Beat Kings, lost to Chicago again.

Yr. 5 - Went all the way to the playoffs. Almost had a meltdown with the Chicago series. "Pumping tires" He just couldn't buy a save in Boston.

Yr. 6 - Played really well against LA. Lost job to Schneider.

IMO, he really set the bar high from his first year. Ever since missing the playoffs then going through the Chicago series where he was lit up a few times. Going to the Stanley Cup finals brought back a lot of support until he started talking about pumping tires and end up losing 2-0 series lead and the cup.

[dinamix]

lu and linden = no cup no care...no one gives a shit about second...

it wasnt luus play that brought him down, it was his ego. He would never take full responsilbilty for his mistakes.

[TPMarko]

lu and linden = no cup no care...no one gives a shit about second...

it wasnt luus play that brought him down, it was his ego. He would never take full responsilbilty for his mistakes.

he owned up to his mistakes this year in every loss. too little too late i guess.

[Expresso]

No real surprise

Roberto Luongo’s writing appears to be very much on the wall in Vancouver | Backhand Shelf | Blogs | theScore.com (http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/07/06/roberto-luongos-writing-appears-to-be-very-much-on-the-wall-in-vancouver/)

Reading the comments hurt my brain. Why do people in TO perceive Luongo as a bag of pucks and insist we take on a bad contract in return. We're not trading Mason Raymond here.

[AzNightmare]

I like how Bryzgalov always owns up to his mistakes...
:lol

[spoon.ek9]

Minor news:

Nolan Baumgartner named Assistant Coach of Chicago Wolves

Nolan Baumgartner named assistant coach of Chicago Wolves - Vancouver Canucks - News (http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=637352)

[Spoon]

I like how Bryzgalov always owns up to his mistakes...
:lol

If Lu had half his humor, we'd never let him leave :fullofwin:

[winson604]

What you can't even see Crosby in that picture :suspicious:

I think it's you who can't see him? Pretty sure guy beside #37 is Crosby.

[kristianhay]

Farhan Lalji ‏@FarhanLaljiTSN
According to @Real_ESPNLeBrun on @Team1040 there is some new "traction" on the ‪#Luongo‬ trade watch for ‪#canucks‬. Happy vacation Pierre!

Wonder what it is, if not just the Lu comments earlier?

[spideyv2]

It would be sick if we got Bjugstad. From what I read, he seems to have Getzlaf upside, and at the very worst he'll turn out to be a Gaustad type player.

[kristianhay]

Highly doubt he turns out to be Gaustad, the kid will be a stud.

Highlights: Nick Bjugstad, Gopher Hockey 2011 - YouTube

[shawnly1000]

So ridiculous how haters gon hate

Luongo’s $10K WSOP entry fee paid by B.C. Lotto | British Columbia (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/luongo-s-10k-wsop-entry-fee-paid-by-b-c-lotto-1.868567)

[UFO]

No changes were made to their game plan despite not being able to score or stop goals. Their style of play couldn't match up to the size of the Bruins and AV made no changes to even try and combat this.

Sure he did. He threw line 3 and 4 players names in a hat, drew them out, and made new line combo's. Then he was surprised it made no difference, because he didn't give those guys ice time.

How do you combat size if you don't have players to go toe to toe?


Big guys are usually slower. Keep the puck off the board to neutralize the size disadvantage. Shoot pucks for rebounds and play the rebounds instead of right at the goalie's chest.

I don't think AV is to blame for us not winning the cup. You'd have to be a fool to think that IMO. Coaches provide game plans, strategies etc but its the player who has to match the effort level and sheer determination to win. Canucks didn't do that if you ask me.

AV isn't to solely to blame. We can only guess what kind of game plans and strategies he came up with, but we know that translated into nothing on the ice. A good coach can make these game plans, but he can also make the most of his players for the greater good of the team. If he had a great game plan and the players weren't executing, part of the blame goes to players but coach has to take a hit for not getting the players to execute as well, especially since it was so consistent.

[!Nhan]

I'd love to have Babcock behind the bench for us. The way he works with the players in DET is sick.

[Hondaracer]

So ridiculous how haters gon hate

Luongo’s $10K WSOP entry fee paid by B.C. Lotto | British Columbia (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/luongo-s-10k-wsop-entry-fee-paid-by-b-c-lotto-1.868567)

Luongo playing poker for BCLC is better publicity than some clown puting ads above urinals, media is so stupid

[mb_]

All this talk about Luongo being traded is depressing but you know it'll happen sooner or later. Gonna be a sad day when he's gone :(

[Mike Oxbig]

he was a character guy for sure in the locker room, canucks vs hawks/bruins wouldnt look so good anymore

[cliffhanger33]

Lu actually wants to be in chicago

[kwy]

On whether he'd go to Columbus or Chicago:

[Laughs] "I'd rather not talk specific right now. I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on … I've always said I like playing in Chicago."

No, seriously, would he play for Blackhawks?

"That's a good question. I think there's a lot of cities that are great to play in, and Chicago's definitely one of them. But you have to realize that it works both ways. There's not only me involved in this decisions. It's also a question if the Blackhawks would be interested, if the team would be interested in trading me there and if I wanted to go there."

[mickz]

How do you combat size if you don't have players to go toe to toe?

As for Ted Nolan, he's fucked up pretty bad both times he's been to the NHL, he won't have another gig in the big leagues

That's exactly what I'm saying. You can't go head to head and play a size game because the Bruins will dominate. What did AV do? He stuck with the same game plan even though it wasn't very effective.

What he and his coaching staff's should've done was study the game tapes more carefully, find a weakness and exploit it. They were praying to god they would stay discipline and hopefully get a PP out of it... too bad they played even worse on the PP.

I don't think AV is to blame for us not winning the cup. You'd have to be a fool to think that IMO. Coaches provide game plans, strategies etc but its the player who has to match the effort level and sheer determination to win. Canucks didn't do that if you ask me.

Coaches have the ability to bring out the best of their players. This didn't happen.

So basicaly you think AV should have gone on the ice himself after Rome got suspended or something like that? :derp:

Have you ever strapped on the skates and played hockey a day in your life?

As a coach he wasn't able to find a strategy to counter the Bruins' size game. It will be very difficult to win if you're forced to play the other team's game.

I truly hope the fans will do something to show their gratitude when Lu ends up leaving. Even seeing him off at the airport and thanking him for his hard work would be a nice, respectful gesture.

Love him or hate him as a Canuck, he is the winningest goalie in our team's history.

This city will never be satisfied with Roberto Luongo until he starts scoring the goals as well. He gets too much of the blame when the team in front of him disappears. The majority of the fan base today never had to put up with the mediocre goaltending through the late 90s to early 2000s. They cannot appreciate an elite level goaltender because of that.

What you can't even see Crosby in that picture :suspicious:

He's right next to Bergeron...

[Hondaracer]

I think some of you over estimate the effect of the head coach

With that said I do think AV could have done better in past times

[SkinnyPupp]

I think some of you over estimate the effect of the head coach

With that said I do think AV could have done better in past times
Exactly. People expect so much, which is why I made the comment about him getting out there and playing himself. Aside from that, what more can he do when his team is sucking it down?

People talk about him getting "outcoached" when really it's the Canucks that are getting "outplayed". He can juggle lines, and has tried, yet when the players suck what good will that do? People complain about juggling lines when it doesn't work!

[AzNightmare]

This city will never be satisfied with Roberto Luongo until he starts scoring the goals as well. He gets too much of the blame when the team in front of him disappears. The majority of the fan base today never had to put up with the mediocre goaltending through the late 90s to early 2000s. They cannot appreciate an elite level goaltender because of that.


I always chuckle when I hear this. Only because it gives me an excuse to post this again.

http://headtothe.net/wp-content/gallery/canucks2/schneidertrick.png

So wonder everyone in Vancouver likes Schneider. He meets fanbase expectations! :fullofwin:

[Vale46Rossi]

WOOH SCHNEIDER HATTY!

[mickz]

Exactly. People expect so much, which is why I made the comment about him getting out there and playing himself. Aside from that, what more can he do when his team is sucking it down?

People talk about him getting "outcoached" when really it's the Canucks that are getting "outplayed". He can juggle lines, and has tried, yet when the players suck what good will that do? People complain about juggling lines when it doesn't work!

The players aren't producing and line juggling isn't working.

Therefore we can automatically conclude the team is SOL regardless of whatever the coach does?

[kristianhay]

Harvey Fialkov ‏@hfialkov
Panthers Bjugstad rejects initial contract offer to turn pro according to source;

Florida Panthers ‏@FlaPanthers
Bjugstad on making decision of whether he'll return to U of M: Probably won't be too long. Probably next week. Need to sit down with family

Out of all the prospects, you would think Bjugstad would be the one to be traded with the possibility of him returning to college.

[SkinnyPupp]

The players aren't producing and line juggling isn't working.

Therefore we can automatically conclude the team is SOL regardless of whatever the coach does?
What else can the coach do? We've already established that he can't play for them... You want him to create a new "system" that will suddenly work for them? When drop pass doesn't work, dump and chase. What else is there?

It's the players that suck, not the coaches. I don't think many people here have an idea of what a coach does...

[Noir]

What else can the coach do? We've already established that he can't play for them... You want him to create a new "system" that will suddenly work for them? When drop pass doesn't work, dump and chase. What else is there?

It's the players that suck, not the coaches. I don't think many people here have an idea of what a coach does...


r u kidding me?

We had the better roster for individual players. We had back to back Art Ross winners and almost back to back league MVPers for our first line.

We had a Selke winning 2nd liner who had probably the best season of his career.

We had an amazing grinder and hitter lines anchored by the likes of Lapierre & Torres.

Boston may have had Zdeno Chara but we had the deepest defensive corps of the league. (You know we're deep when freakin' Salo is a 3rd string defenseman)






The team didn't suck. Not even close to it. Apart from the forgetful 3 games in Chicago, our team was destroying in the playoffs. Hell we even grabbed the first 2 games in the SCF.

That year, any coach would've killed to have all the pieces WE had.

[mickz]

What else can the coach do? We've already established that he can't play for them... You want him to create a new "system" that will suddenly work for them? When drop pass doesn't work, dump and chase. What else is there?

It's the players that suck, not the coaches. I don't think many people here have an idea of what a coach does...

Here's some ideas:

- Get away from match ups that favors the opposition
- Change power play formation/strategies
- Send more bodies to the front of the net
- Play a more defensive style, trap if you have to
- Breakouts with speed through the neutral zone instead of the dump and chase or chip plays

How do you get away from the size game? You counter with speed so these guys will need to clutch and grab to get you. That followed by traffic to the net will generate goals. Note how many open looks from the outside the Canucks had. NHL calibre goalies will eat those pucks up.

You're telling me the 2012 Vancouver Canucks can't change the way they play while a less talented 2006 Oilers squad could?

A coach puts in more work than some of you think. Have you ever played organized hockey in your life? Multiply that by a million since these coaches don't volunteer part-time and actually do this for a living.

[SkinnyPupp]

:facepalm:

[JesseBlue]

:facepalm:

[dbaz]

hamhuis and rome were gone, kesler injured, malholtra 1 eye, raymond injured. we had no defensive depth wtf is he suppose to do? tell 1 forwards from every line to just play as an extra dman? tell a 4th line center to become a 2nd line center?
they won the first 2 games but in unconvincing fashion, they probably didn't even deserve one if not both of those. you take the risk of switching up the pp and then having costly mistakes made during the game because its a new system. mistakes always happen with new systems they take a while to learn. they couldn't send people to the net, they were getting mugged and the refs not only put their whistle away most of the time they couldnt even find it. shit, think this stuff through first.

[SkinnyPupp]

hamhuis and rome were gone, kesler injured, malholtra 1 eye, raymond injured. we had no defensive depth wtf is he suppose to do? tell 1 forwards from every line to just play as an extra dman? tell a 4th line center to become a 2nd line center?
they won the first 2 games but in unconvincing fashion, they probably didn't even deserve one if not both of those. you take the risk of switching up the pp and then having costly mistakes made during the game because its a new system. mistakes always happen with new systems they take a while to learn. they couldn't send people to the net, they were getting mugged and the refs not only put their whistle away most of the time they couldnt even find it. shit, think this stuff through first.
I didn't want to continue this, but you made a good post.

The truth is, we will go through this same thing every year, the same way every other team in the world does until they win it all. If you don't win the cup, your coach is a useless bum, and "should have" done all these brilliant ideas like

:derp: he should have sent more bodies to the net

:derp: trap if you have to

:derp: counter with speed

It's that shit that belongs on CDC forums and drunken calls to the post game radio show. It just makes me go :facepalm:

[RiceIntegraRS]

Also no Samuelsson.......

[kristianhay]

Here's some ideas:

- Get away from match ups that favors the opposition
- Change power play formation/strategies
- Send more bodies to the front of the net
- Play a more defensive style, trap if you have to
- Breakouts with speed through the neutral zone instead of the dump and chase or chip plays

How do you get away from the size game? You counter with speed so these guys will need to clutch and grab to get you. That followed by traffic to the net will generate goals. Note how many open looks from the outside the Canucks had. NHL calibre goalies will eat those pucks up.

You're telling me the 2012 Vancouver Canucks can't change the way they play while a less talented 2006 Oilers squad could?

A coach puts in more work than some of you think. Have you ever played organized hockey in your life? Multiply that by a million since these coaches don't volunteer part-time and actually do this for a living.

I don't see why this post is getting failed - a lot of what he's saying makes sense. Many of the same problems from the Boston series carried over into the LA series this year. Our powerplay wasn't clicking, physical play was a problem and their goalie just stood on their head.

Our power play did need changing as it wasn't working at all. The umbrella was simply not functioning and an overload would have worked well as it would allow for pucks to get to the net while bodies were there. We didn't shoot enough on Quick, which was a HUGE problem in my opinion.

If you go back and watch the LA games, the Canucks were doing the dump and chase the whole series and LA knew that. Quick would simply stop the puck behind the net and play it to their dman, resulting in a pointless change of possession. A 5 man, speed breakout would have been so much better but AV simply did not adapt to the situation.

The only thing I disagree with is the trap - whenever the Canucks trap it doesn't seem to end well.

Although a lot of the blame can be put on the players, the coach also deserves some for not adapting and making a change when the systems in place clearly weren't working. Yes, he started Schneider but that was too little too late. Part of being a good coach is being in a reactive position and making changes to counter the opponent.

[Noir]

hamhuis and rome were gone, kesler injured, malholtra 1 eye, raymond injured. we had no defensive depth wtf is he suppose to do? tell 1 forwards from every line to just play as an extra dman? tell a 4th line center to become a 2nd line center?
they won the first 2 games but in unconvincing fashion, they probably didn't even deserve one if not both of those. you take the risk of switching up the pp and then having costly mistakes made during the game because its a new system. mistakes always happen with new systems they take a while to learn. they couldn't send people to the net, they were getting mugged and the refs not only put their whistle away most of the time they couldnt even find it. shit, think this stuff through first.



Typical Canuck excuses. I SERIOUSLY see this every year. Do you think every SCF winner wins because they somehow miraculously last 4 rounds healthy?

Do you think Boston did not battle their own fair share of declared and undeclared injuries?

Are Canuck fans really that stupid that they think the playoff-injury-bug is only specific to us?



Boston would've loved to have Horton the entire series. They would've loved to still have Savard on their roster (Yes! Boston is still a bit bitter about his early retirement). And those are only the ones that we publically knew. I'm sure just like us, they too had their fair share of undisclosed injuries and if you believe otherwise, well that's just dumb. Playing three 7 game series will do that. In fact, apart from Chicago, we're the team that had the easier SCF route if we hadn't just almost pissed our series away with Chicago.



So there, now that I've shot the... "injuries" card. What excuse would you guys like to play next?

Reffing?

Bettman?

or how about the anti-Canadian NHL conspiracy?




Let's keep this going because in the words of Jonathan Toews, I can "expose you all for what you are."

[dbaz]

its well known the whistle goes away in the playoffs. its also a well known that by the end of the finals our 2nd line was basically unable to play. yea boston had injuries too every team gets them in the playoffs but the key guys got hurt. if you are gonna talk about those who have typical canuck responses look at your own(there's always two sides to something). if you are gonna blame vig. for it solely that's stupid. might as well blame the players for getting hurt and gillis for not having made a team deep enough to deal with injuries. its a collection of faults not just the coach or players.

[kristianhay]

Michael Yormark ‏@PanthersYormark
On the road again this week. Heading to vegas for a very important dinner on monday night.

Florida Panthers president. Lu is also in Vegas, coincidence?

[highfive]

I think a lot of people are understating how good both Boston and LA are. They had lines rolling and the team got hot at the right time. They had a little puck luck and goaltending to go with it.

Both Boston and LA had a defenceman to step it up and led their team. Honestly, the Canucks' cup run, I can only remember Bieksa doing most of it. Hamhuis as well. But as for Ehrhoff and Edler? I don't remember shit. What happened to the Edler that nailed Doughty?

[OGCStrike]

Florida Panthers president. Lu is also in Vegas, coincidence?

whatever happens in vegas, stays in vegas...:fullofwin:

[mickz]

hamhuis and rome were gone, kesler injured, malholtra 1 eye, raymond injured. we had no defensive depth wtf is he suppose to do? tell 1 forwards from every line to just play as an extra dman? tell a 4th line center to become a 2nd line center?
they won the first 2 games but in unconvincing fashion, they probably didn't even deserve one if not both of those. you take the risk of switching up the pp and then having costly mistakes made during the game because its a new system. mistakes always happen with new systems they take a while to learn. they couldn't send people to the net, they were getting mugged and the refs not only put their whistle away most of the time they couldnt even find it. shit, think this stuff through first.

Send people to the net to draw traffic and pay a price while doing it. I never said do it to get a call. You're not going to score on any NHL goaltender shooting from 20 feet out and giving him clean looks.

I didn't want to continue this, but you made a good post.

The truth is, we will go through this same thing every year, the same way every other team in the world does until they win it all. If you don't win the cup, your coach is a useless bum, and "should have" done all these brilliant ideas like

:derp: he should have sent more bodies to the net

:derp: trap if you have to

:derp: counter with speed

It's that shit that belongs on CDC forums and drunken calls to the post game radio show. It just makes me go :facepalm:

Still haven't answered me yet. Have you ever played organized hockey in your life? You make a coach sound useless once his players stop playing.

[cliffhanger33]

http://www.wsop.com/images/ImageStore/__Selected/s40034d9002.jpg

Lu doesn't look so happy

[spideyv2]

Send people to the net to draw traffic and pay a price while doing it. I never said do it to get a call. You're not going to score on any NHL goaltender shooting from 20 feet out and giving him clean looks.



Still haven't answered me yet. Have you ever played organized hockey in your life? You make a coach sound useless once his players stop playing.

^Judging my SP's posts ITT, it's pretty obvious he hasn't played organized hockey before. BTW, this isn't a personal shot at you, SP...but reading some of your posts in these threads, I could tell you don't play hockey.

[Hondaracer]

@TSNBobMcKenzie Hearing Luongo to Tampa is done and details being ironed out, more to come

[Noir]

its well known the whistle goes away in the playoffs. its also a well known that by the end of the finals our 2nd line was basically unable to play. yea boston had injuries too every team gets them in the playoffs but the key guys got hurt. if you are gonna talk about those who have typical canuck responses look at your own(there's always two sides to something). if you are gonna blame vig. for it solely that's stupid. might as well blame the players for getting hurt and gillis for not having made a team deep enough to deal with injuries. its a collection of faults not just the coach or players.

Horton was not a key player? How about Savard? We had 2 key guys out officially in Erhoff and Hammer. I won't even count Raymond as I think he want down way later, like game 6 or 7; and even then he's not that huge of a cog in the wheel that would excuse the derailment of the whole team.

So now what? Let's go to the latent injuries that ALL players play through. Like what? Malhotra's bad eye? The guy that plays basement minutes on the regular season alone?

Or how about Kesler's bum leg? The only guy that when Alaign Vigneault's system was failing, was the ONLY guy that was trying to bang his head through a wall trying to break down the Boston wall of defense?

Side note:
(When you see an injured guy trying to pick up the puck in his own zone (Kesler) and trying to skate it into the offensive zone by himself at the risk of getting pummelled by the Boston's defensive gauntlet, you know some players have lost faith into the drop-pass break out system.)

So no. Injuries are not an excuse on many levels:

1) Both teams share their fair share attrition through the playoffs. There's no exceptions. Although injuries may vary, it's up to the team to compensate, and up to the coach to adjust their approach .

2) Despite the injuries I'm sure both sides suffer, it's clear they wanted, and were playing through it. So for a coach (or the fanbase) to divert blame saying we were unfortunate, or that we didn't have a good team, or we didn't have great players? Well, buy into it if that helps you cope with having a Championship stolen under you.



And to address your entire argument. No, I don't solely blame AV. It is well documented here that I highly blame Luongo for his part as well. It's just that I'm saying AV and his lack of adaptation is a big contributor as well.

[Noir]

In fact, I don't know what I'm tired of the most in the fanbase. The "bandwagon" arguments between fans, or the "if only we weren't injured" excuse.

[rsx]

Injuries are a major variable in the playoffs, I'd love to see key guys sit out more games as the post-season rolls around just to increase a bit of mileage in their already drained tank. The President's trophy is a joke, no one cares about it, there's only one trophy all hockey players aspire to win.

[spoon.ek9]

can we just stop talking about 2010-2011? it brings back so many bad memories of the finals :/

i appreciate what our team did for us that year and hope that next season we can get ourselves back into a position to once more to take a crack at our 1st cup.

[sp00n]

@TSNBobMcKenzie Hearing Luongo to Tampa is done and details being ironed out, more to come

I dont see that anywhere

[GrapeDrink]

lol I'm not really good with twitter, but doesn't that just mean someone tweeted that message at Bob Mckenzie "Hearing luongo to tampa is done" lol

[kristianhay]

That's the fake account.

[604778]

Isn't Bob McKenzie on Vacation?

[Mike Oxbig]

even if the trade went down it wouldnt be release until after the poker tournament for luongo in vegas...

[cliffhanger33]

fake twitter for sure

[OGCStrike]

wouldnt make sense for tampa to get lu since they have lindback already..:suspicious:

[Gilgamesh]

^ They also have tokarsky in the AHL and drafted Vasilevski in the 2012 draft, so they have goaltending depth.

[cressydrift]

Take it for whats its worth,

Hockeyy Insiderr ‏@HockeyyInsiderr
As of right now, hearing IF Doan doesn't resign with Phoenix his #1 choice would be to play in Vancouver. ‪#CONFIRMED‬ ‪#Canucks‬

[punkwax]

Can't spell do want without Doan.

[Blah_Teggie]

^ *yawn*
Didn't we hear the same thing bout Justin Schultz coming here? Although it'd be super sweet if it were true!

[GrapeDrink]

lol that guy is a pure piece of shit, hes like a shittier version of samjam, but hes actually an even bigger attention whore. The stuff he spews out is so full of shit, Tj Galliardi resigned with SJ 2 days ago and no one can even find out his freaking cap hit in SJ, but he somehow knows that Marleau and Havlat are being traded to Toronto ? LOL

[spideyv2]

lol HockeyInsiderr is a clown. He just bites his shit from newspapers, websites, etcetc. he also recycles all his "rumors"

[SkinnyPupp]

r u kidding me?

We had the better roster for individual players. We had back to back Art Ross winners and almost back to back league MVPers for our first line.

We had a Selke winning 2nd liner who had probably the best season of his career.

We had an amazing grinder and hitter lines anchored by the likes of Lapierre & Torres.

Boston may have had Zdeno Chara but we had the deepest defensive corps of the league. (You know we're deep when freakin' Salo is a 3rd string defenseman)






The team didn't suck. Not even close to it. Apart from the forgetful 3 games in Chicago, our team was destroying in the playoffs. Hell we even grabbed the first 2 games in the SCF.

That year, any coach would've killed to have all the pieces WE had.
That's not what I meant, and I assumed you knew that which is why I ignored your post. Then I saw that everyone failed my post, so I guess I chose my words poorly after all.

My point was (I thought obviously) not that the team sucks, but rather that they were being outplayed and there was (I think obviously) nothing the coach could do to change that.

Since it wasn't so obvious to others, I'll post this clarification.

[SkinnyPupp]

http://www.wsop.com/images/ImageStore/__Selected/s40034d9002.jpg

Lu doesn't look so happy
It's called a "poker face"

[PornMaster]

@TSNBobMcKenzie Luongo to Tampa for Steven Stamkos and Viktor Hedman confirmed

[TjAlmeida]

lol^

[murd0c]

Does anyone know how Lu did in poker today? I just looked for his name for yesterday and he was ranked #111 with 77k chips. He's going by the name Fabio Luongo lol

[PornMaster]

they are playing right now I believe but only show top 200

edit: probably didn't make day 1 lol

[Hondaracer]

: troll:

[van19]

Fabio Luongo is his brother. They're both in the tournament

[Ronin]

@TSNBobMcKenzie Luongo to Tampa for Steven Stamkos and Viktor Hedman confirmed

Yes! I knew Steve Yzerman was a complete moron!

[SkinnyPupp]

Steve Yzerman knows nothing about hockey.

[jeedee]

SkinnyPupp knows nothing about hockey.

Fixed :troll:

[spideyv2]

@TSNBobMcKenzie
CONFIRMED: Revscene has traded Hondaracer to CDC for samjam99 & some other dumbass

I think this is a good trade for both sides, more of a cap dump though

[AzNightmare]

fuck twitter. Not going to believe anything involving Lu from here unless it's sourced from a sports website like tsn or nhl.
Too many dumbasses and fake accounts. Otherwise, I might as well go by facebook posts too then.

[beanzzz]

they are playing right now I believe but only show top 200

edit: probably didn't make day 1 lol

Both Luongo's apparently did.

657 players reach Day 2 including actor Pollak and NHL goalie Luongo
Posted by Howard Stutz
Sunday, Jul. 08, 2012 at 07:34 AM

Actor Kevin Pollak, the Luongo brothers and defending World Series of Poker champion Pius Hienz were among the 657 players who survived Saturday’s first of three Main Event starting flights.

The group will return to the Rio Tuesday for the second day of competition in the $10,000 buy-in No Limit Hold’em World Championship.

Two more starting fields will invade the Rio Sunday and Monday.

Following some 12 hours of play Saturday that featured a starting field of 1,066 players, William John of Austria held onto first place with 266,700 chips.

Rounding out the top five were Gerardo Lubas of the Philippines with 165,800 in chips; Daniel Strelitz of Torrance, Calif., with 164,125 in chips; Dane Lomas of San Diego with 157,600; and Cary Katz of Las Vegas with 154,850.

The Luongo brothers, including NHL standout goalie Robert Luongo of the Vancouver Canucks, were among the amateur players who survived Day 1A.

Roberto Luongo, who was sponsored by the British Columbia Lottery Corp., was in 297th place with 44,800 in chips. Brother Fabio Luongo fared a little better, holding on to 111th place with 77,825 in chips.

Pollak, who has starred in such films as “Casino,” “A Few Good Men” and “The Usual Suspects,” is playing in the Main Event to help promote the free play website HollywoodPoker.com. He survived Day 1A in 305th place with 43,900 in chips.

Heinz, a 22-year-old college student from Cologne, Germany, who earned $8.7 million in winning the Main Event a year ago, almost didn’t make it past Day 1A this year.

Heinz spent most of his day with a short stack of chips, but was able to double up toward the end of play and grew his stack to 39,275, good for 351st place.

Day 1A wasn’t so good for 12-time World Series of Poker bracelet winner Phil Hellmuth Jr.

Unlike past years, Hellmuth made a quiet, subdued entrance to the event, shunning some elaborate costume or Hollywood-production style get-up. Hellmuth originally registered for Monday’s Day 1C, but tweeted that after getting more than 14 hours of sleep, he was ready to play.

However, Hellmuth was eliminated in the last level of the night.

Among the players returning for Day 2 include former Main Event finalist Filippo Candio of Italy and Poker Hall of Fame member Mike Sexton.

Among the players eliminated Saturday were actor Ray Romano, 2010 World Series of Poker Player of the Year Frank Kassela and former Main Event final table finishers Raymond Rahme and Soi Nguyen.

Three former Main Event Champions were also eliminated: Hellmuth (1989), Jim Bechtel (1993) and Joe Hachem (2005).

657 players reach Day 2 including actor Pollak and NHL goalie Luongo - World Series of Poker blog - ReviewJournal.com (http://www.lvrj.com/blogs/wsop/657_players_reach_Day_2_including_actor_Pollak_and _NHL_goalie_Luongo.html)

[jerche]

I wonder what Luongo will do if he gets into the final table lol. Final table is in November when the hockey season going to interfere

Doubt he will make it though but that will be quite impressive if he does get into the top 10

[SkinnyPupp]

Fixed :troll:
Better add Mike Gillis to the list too then, because he seems to think AV is a pretty good coach... Maybe he should listen to all the pros in here instead? :derp:

[UFO]

What else can the coach do? We've already established that he can't play for them... You want him to create a new "system" that will suddenly work for them? When drop pass doesn't work, dump and chase. What else is there?

It's the players that suck, not the coaches. I don't think many people here have an idea of what a coach does...

I think you are underestimating what a coach does; he doesn't just make up the lines, make the players skate lines during practices, then suit up and look pretty behind the bench on gamedays.

Look no further than Ken Hitchcock, that's what a good coach CAN do. He was fired by the Columbus freakin' Bluejackets in 2010, adopted and completely turned around the St. Louis Blues less than 2 years later, winning coach of the year honours while doing so.

Does this mean he can do no wrong and will remain the best coach 3-4 years later? No. If the world's best hockey mind can't get his players to listen and follow the game plan, he is an ineffective coach. If the players fully engage to what coach says but the coach has no hockey mind, he is still an ineffective coach.

That's why I personally don't buy that we need to keep AV on because there is no 'better' coach currently. The major way we as general public can rate a coach is based on past credentials, and sure AV has many current coaches beat in that department. But a 'better' coach will have intangible factors involved. See Dan Bylsma when he took over the Pens in 2009, he came up out of nowhere with limited credentials, then helped turn the Pens around completely and guided them to the Stanley Cup that same year.

MG is the boss man here and he obviously sees somes value in AV. But so did Brian Burke when he re-signed Ron Wilson to his extension and then fired him 3 months later. I sure hope MG isn't modelling his managerial style after Burke (e-sarc on)

[murd0c]

So I just read that the Red Wings are making a hard push at Doan

[SkinnyPupp]

I think you are underestimating what a coach does; he doesn't just make up the lines, make the players skate lines during practices, then suit up and look pretty behind the bench on gamedays.

Look no further than Ken Hitchcock, that's what a good coach CAN do. He was fired by the Columbus freakin' Bluejackets in 2010, adopted and completely turned around the St. Louis Blues less than 2 years later, winning coach of the year honours while doing so.

Does this mean he can do no wrong and will remain the best coach 3-4 years later? No. If the world's best hockey mind can't get his players to listen and follow the game plan, he is an ineffective coach. If the players fully engage to what coach says but the coach has no hockey mind, he is still an ineffective coach.

That's why I personally don't buy that we need to keep AV on because there is no 'better' coach currently. The major way we as general public can rate a coach is based on past credentials, and sure AV has many current coaches beat in that department. But a 'better' coach will have intangible factors involved. See Dan Bylsma when he took over the Pens in 2009, he came up out of nowhere with limited credentials, then helped turn the Pens around completely and guided them to the Stanley Cup that same year.

MG is the boss man here and he obviously sees somes value in AV. But so did Brian Burke when he re-signed Ron Wilson to his extension and then fired him 3 months later. I sure hope MG isn't modelling his managerial style after Burke (e-sarc on)
I don't think I am underestimating what a coach does, I just think that AV is not to blame for the Canucks inability to win the Stanley Cup.

[Spoon]

If AV implemented a new game plan and loss in the cup finals. Everyone in Vancouver would just whine about why he tried to change what got them to the finals.

Size won out last year, didn't help that we had a ton of injuries to key guys. Same thing happened this year.

[Durrann]

Mason Raymond re-signed

[murd0c]

We were so hurt and the Bruins were 100% healthy so it doesn't matter what the game plan was because no team would be able to compete.

Why the hell are we still talking about it anyways? it's going to be two seasons ago and it's pointless beating a dead horse over and over...

[murd0c]

Mason Raymond re-signed

1yr 2.275mill

[kristianhay]

News1130 Sports ‏@News1130Sports
Shane Doan's agent Terry Bross just told CKWX that the #Canucks are very much in the mix for his client.

News1130 Sports ‏@News1130Sports
Bross tells CKWX that Doan has held talks with Lawrence Gillman and the #Canucks and they are on his list of desired destinations.

News1130 Sports ‏@News1130Sports
Bross tells CKWX that the #Canucks called early for Doan and he and his client have held pleasent talks with the #Canucks.

Oh man.. get it done GMMG!

[winson604]

Mason Raymond re-signed

Until the news is Mason Raymond has been traded I don't think anyone cares :fullofwin:

[MR_BIGGS]

All this talk about Doan having Canucks on his list is making me excited, but I won't hold my breath for it to actually happen.

[spoon.ek9]

AV better not put MayRay on the 1st line again. Seriously.

[mb_]

He better turn it around with that contract.

[spideyv2]

AV better not put MayRay on the 1st line again. Seriously.

Lol, watch us sign Doan and put him on the 3rd line so Raymond can get top 6 minutes

#AVLoveAffair

[fliptuner]

Mason Raymond re-signed

Was hoping you misspelled resigned.

[UFO]

We were so hurt and the Bruins were 100% healthy so it doesn't matter what the game plan was because no team would be able to compete.

Why the hell are we still talking about it anyways? it's going to be two seasons ago and it's pointless beating a dead horse over and over...

For me it's not so much about the cup run. But we saw this past regular season that when the team game slumped (while the goalies were still stealing wins) there wasn't much adjustment done by the team and the coaching staff didn't seem all that concerned about how to address deficiencies. This is the sense I got anyways, who knows how much was actually done behind closed doors, but even if it was, it did not translate to the on-ice product. And explaining this as 'players sucking' is a huge cop out for ineffective coaching.

I'll be the first to admit I thought the players were toning their play down to decrease injuries and save up some energy to peak for the playoffs, but clearly that was not the case. I'd love to see the team less business-like this upcoming season and show some emotion whether they are winning or losing.

[kristianhay]

News1130 Sports ‏@News1130Sports
After talking to his agent at length - I feel the #Canucks would make Shane Doan's shortlist of 2-3 teams.

@mirtle
Shane Doan's wife is from Kamloops and they spend time there every off-season. Canucks make a lot of sense as potential destination.

News1130 Sports ‏@News1130Sports
Gillman and Doan go back to the WINN Jets days and have a good relationship. Bross says absolutley Doan could end up with ‪#Canucks‬.

I don't want to get my hopes up but.. I am a little bit.

[kwy]

@passittobulis

This sucks. I just bought a "Sorry about your arbitration loss" card for Raymond. What a waste of $2. #Canucks

[AzNightmare]

Wtf, Bruins were not 100% healthy... :suspicious:

[Mike Oxbig]

swedish twins + french canadian (sedin sedin burrows)
2 american power forward and a western canadian kid (booth kesler doan)

Now that's a hockey line! :sweetjesus:

[kwy]

Power forward to describe kesler and booth right now is kinda generous

[spideyv2]

swedish twins + french canadian (sedin sedin burrows)
2 american power forward and a western canadian kid (booth kesler doan)

Now that's a hockey line! :sweetjesus:

Yeah, dude! I bet Raymond is a power forward too, amirite!?!

[AzNightmare]

Was Kesler even described as a power forward ever?
I never considered him to be one...

[spideyv2]

Was Kesler even described as a power forward ever?
I never considered him to be one...

He's a two-way forward/grinder

A power forward is Iginla, Lucic, Horton, Getzlaf, etc

[Mike Oxbig]

Yeah, dude! I bet Raymond is a power forward too, amirite!?!

:wgaf:

they called kesler a hybrid power forward and two way player during his 40 goal season

[cliffhanger33]

DOAN KESLER BOOTH :sweetjesus:

dont want my hopes up tho

[Gumby]

He's a two-way forward/grinder

A power forward is Iginla, Lucic, Horton, Getzlaf, etc
And Kassian, hopefully! :fullofwin:

[highfive]

Definition from Wikipedia.

In ice hockey, power forward (PF) is a loosely applied characterization of a forward who is big and strong, equally capable of playing physically or scoring goals and would most likely have high totals in both points and penalties.[1] It is usually used in reference to a forward who is physically large, with the toughness to dig the puck out of the corners, possesses offensive instincts, has mobility, puck-handling skills,[2][3] may be difficult to knock off the puck[4] and willingly engage in fights when he feels it's required.[5] Possessing both physical size and offensive ability, power forwards are also often referred to as the 'complete' hockey player.[6][7]

Some people call Mike Richards a power forward. So I just assume power forwards are players who plays both physical and has a finesse side in scoring.

Using dragonball comparison.

Super Saiyan - Kesler / Booth
Super Saiyan 2 - Iginla / Lucic / Getzlaf

lol

They are all super saiyans. Just one is more powerful. hahahaa

[AzNightmare]

Booth is no super saiyan. He's like a Krillen at best right now.

[dinamix]

higgins > booth

[mb_]

DOAN KESLER BOOTH :sweetjesus:

dont want my hopes up tho

Same but it's more realistic than getting Weber :ilied:

[Mike Oxbig]

dont get your hopes too high for doan... if doan is coming that means the rise of the nords/seattle franchise will be forming in the near future

[Durrann]

Was hoping you misspelled resigned.

i actually did.lol .but I re read and was like "oh shit i know someone did that on RS"
haha

RS taught me how to spell resign and re-sign

:woot2:

[Gumby]

Unfortunately, players "retire", while coaching staff & management are the ones who "resign"...

[spoon.ek9]

i actually did.lol .but I re read and was like "oh shit i know someone did that on RS"
haha

RS taught me how to spell resign and re-sign

:woot2:

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/18531180/images/1333248159337.jpg

[b0unce. [?]]

Wonder and wander.

[AzNightmare]

I personally learnt it's "could/should/would have"
not "could/should/would of"

[DanHibiki]

Mason Raymond re-signed

The Office- Michael Scott No God No - YouTube

[RRxtar]

A power forward is a strong skater who chooses to take the puck hard to the net every time, and will battle to go around a D to get there.


mason raymond and hank sedin, for example, are the complete opposite of a power forward. neither one have ever carried the puck any deeper than the top of the circle along the boards


this is a power forward
Rick Nash Beauty Solo Effort Goal 2/22/11 vs Nashville - YouTube

[fliptuner]

I'm surprised there hasn't been much talk about Higgins. He was very solid throughout the year, aside from his staph infection(s). I'm glad we have him back this coming season. If he plays the same or better, it's definately 1.9M well spent


I personally learnt it's "could/should/would have"
not "could/should/would of"

It only sounds like "of" because people say "should've, could've, would've" - as a contraction - or slang, "shoulda, coulda, woulda"

[hotshot1]

IMO Rick Nash is more of a finesse type player. IMO power forwards are big, not afraid to get their nose dirty type guys who score, know how to hit, and also fight occasionally. Guys that come to mind are Lindros, Shanahan, Bertuzzi in his prime, and more recently Perry, Lucic, and Iginla.

[AzNightmare]

A power forward is a strong skater who chooses to take the puck hard to the net every time, and will battle to go around a D to get there.


mason raymond and hank sedin, for example, are the complete opposite of a power forward. neither one have ever carried the puck any deeper than the top of the circle along the boards


this is a power forward
Rick Nash Beauty Solo Effort Goal 2/22/11 vs Nashville - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gyd6M0xUDc)

Booth is as close of a "Power Forward" that we have. He does cut hard to the net like that various times... but of course, he has no where near the finish or the hands like Nash.


It only sounds like "of" because people say "should've, could've, would've" - as a contraction - or slang, "shoulda, coulda, woulda"

:ahwow: I'm like semi-mind blown right now :fulloffuck:
I've never thought of it like that... maybe that's why I used to always say "should of"

[JesseBlue]

i learnt that correctly in grammar school...

[RRxtar]

Agreed that Booth is the closest thing we have to a power forward. And Higgins is Mr Reliable. If he has a healthy season hes an awesome guy who can fit well on the 2nd or 3rd line

[AzNightmare]

David Booth goal. Edmonton Oilers vs Vancouver Canucks 4/7/12 NHL hockey - YouTube

Was YouTubing random David Booth stuff. :fullofwin:

[cliffhanger33]

David Booth goal. Edmonton Oilers vs Vancouver Canucks 4/7/12 NHL hockey - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0aOWW-fjc4)

Was YouTubing random David Booth stuff. :fullofwin:

The game that sealed the deal for our second president's trophy :concentrate:

[b0unce. [?]]

pwf's are a dying breed :(

[kwy]

..and that was the last time the drop pass worked for us.

[Hondaracer]

the last power forward to play in Van:

Todd Bertuzzi Highlights 2005-2006 - YouTube