he's cheap because one's been declining and the other has been consistent over the years...

i dunno... i think the first 2 lines are set... if sundin signs, and the rumour about the canucks pursuing vermette are true...

i'd rather have

vermette - sundin - demitra
sedin - sedin - bernier

than

murray - sundin - demitra
sedin - sedin - bernier

Murray = one of the slowest players in the league.

I was just stating that perhaps murray would be a decent fit on this team if the sundin deal doesn't fall through.

You want to pick up a player that's been bought out by BOSTON?! He wasn't even good enough that Boston wanted to even keep him on the roster. In fact, they'd rather pay for NOTHING than have Glen Murray around.

jet lag? travel fatigue? maybe if they were flying to china. they are experiencing a maximum of a 3 hour time difference. this isn't like the typical person who has to travel while on business, maybe 10+ hours, without time for himself in between, cramped in a tight seat, not being allowed to move much which are a few causes of travel fatigue.

Glenn Murray's Point Production in the last 5 years!

92
60
53
45
30

FUCK NO!

rather have shanny than murray

o yea.. so why is detroit in the western conference?.

i kno they're in the east... how did they get put into the west?

whoa! thats a HUGE drop in point production. how is it possible that he scored more points in prelockout??


i agree

this was explained b4. something to do with having equal amount of teams in each conference. kinda like how toronto used to be in the western conference b4 the league decided to rearrange the teams due to expansion teams. im sure someone can explain it better than me

I think there are just too many teams out in the east?? They need to balance the 2 conferences with the same amount of teams?

[QUOTE=6thGear.;5962781]whoa! thats a HUGE drop in point production. how is it possible that he scored more points in prelockout??

he was on jumbo joe's line

let's just say traveling is not fun. i do it for work and i hate it.

that's the point i'm trying to make though. it becomes tedious for the majority of us because we aren't treated the way these guys are. when i was doing it for work, i hated it because i knew that as soon as i got off the plane, i would have to get to work right away. it was a business trip, so naturally, EVERYTHING revolved around work. it was a lot different when i was travelling with my choir group a couple years ago. sure, we had to practice during the day, but it wasn't as stressful. we still had time to ourselves and the people who organized it made sure our needs were met and it was great. i would imagine nhl players get treated a lot better. their respective clubs should cater to their every need, more or less. afterall, a happy player is more likely to be a productive player. sure, it may not be something to look forward to after a while, but it's not as bad as people are making it out to be.

It's fun if you do it rarely to occasionally... it's a chore if you have to do it on a regular basis. Don't forget that even a measly one-hour flight from Vancouver to Calgary can easily eat up four to five hours of your day: fight traffic to the airport (making sure to arrive the recommended hour before your boarding time for domestic flights, two+ hours for international), find parking, haul all your shit to check-in, stand in line at check-in, fill out the little baggage tags (carpal tunnels!), stand in line again at security, pull your pants back up as the security dweeb is taking off his gloves, make your way to the farthest possible gate, try to get comfortable in the crappy plastic seats, attempt to relax for a half-hour or more before your boarding call, stand in line again to flash your boarding pass, fight your way through the plane to your seat, try to cram your shit in the overhead bins, sit still for another half-hour while the plane is loading and then taxiing, try to get a brief nap in for the hour you're in the air while someone's kid is kicking the back of your seat, try to stay relaxed as your plane seems to be descending toward the runway awfully fast, fight your way again through the crowds inching their way off the plane, make your way FROM the farthest possible gate to the baggage claim, wait around for another half hour for your shit to appear on the carousel, make your way to the car rental desk or the taxi stand...

Now imagine you have to do all this, then go skate around with other 240-pound guys crashing into you for three solid hours, then do it all over again... okay, sure, they have it a LITTLE easier, because they don't have to deal with the traffic and parking and crowds so much... but it can still get REALLY F'N TIRING when you're doing it on a regular basis.

Oh, and a three-hour time difference can really mess with your body, especially if you're going east-to-west, because a 7-10pm game suddenly feels like 10pm-1am.

theres no insane sexurity checks in private planes, and no kids kicking ur seat.

No, but I'm sure Kesler kicks a few seat backs... he's just that kinda smart-ass ;)

But anyway, the point stands, traveling is more just hopping on a plane and chilling for a while, and it CAN and DOES get very wearing if you have to do it all the time.

but everything else really only applies to us regular folk. everything you mentioned is a reason why i could see someone experiencing travel fatigue, but nhl players don't go through any of that. all they really have to be concerned about is what suit to wear. it's not like they have to pack much either. i already said it's not something to look forward to, but to say a 39 year old wouldn't last like the poster i replied to said is a little excessive.

all our biological clocks takes time to adjust.. just cause you are an athlete doesn't mean that you are trained to sleep whenever you want and wake up whenever you want, making a smooth adjustment regardless of where you are

I stated it CAN be and usually is a factor that a player will take into consideration when picking a team. You think the only thing players do is board a plane and play some hockey? They have to work out all year round. Do you know how tired you can be after an NHL game and then right after that game board a flight? The way you say things is like being an NHL player is a piece of a cake. When it all comes down to it Vancouver has one of the worst traveling in the league and IT does have a certain wear on players.
Oh and you said they don't have a to pack much? Canucks go on the road for more than 7 games sometimes which is roughly 2 weeks, you figure out how much packing that is.

we were on the topic of travelling, not what an athlete does to stay in shape so why would i have had to bring that up? there's no doubt that their workouts could get intense, so having to get on a bus then on a flight may not be ideal, but it pales in comparison and is more of a break. it's been said, the grueling process of flying isn't relevant to players. and of course, the canucks go on 7 game road trips often. those 1 or 2 times they have to pack an actual suitcase must really take its toll.

as for our biological clocks adjusting, that's a benefit of the nhl catering to the people. players don't usually play until later in the day, with most games starting around 7? and being in the pacific time zone, the canucks don't have to worry about 10 pm games.

just out of curiosity, how fast do planes go? 500 mph? so 4000 miles would be like 8 hours? plus all that other crap like taking off and landing, we're looking at what? 12 hours in 6 days? bearing in mind these guys don't go through the same baggage check and security procedures we are subjected to.

If you don't fly regularly, you really don't grasp just how tiring it can be. Yes, even if everything is handled for you and all you have to do is walk on the plane and sit down. If you're the least bit nervous about flying, you're tense the whole time, and it wears you down just as surely as working all day, or driving through rush hour traffic (when you're running late, even). And at least in driving, there's something to keep you occupied - when you're stuck with someone else's driving, sometimes the boredom itself can drain you. And worse, most flights there's not enough time to get a decent sleep. Even taking a bus can be more restful, because you can doze off for a solid 6-7 hours; when most of your flights are four hours or less, you barely have time for a decent power nap, and then you have someone shaking you awake because you have to wake up and get off the plane, walk to the bus/taxi/limo, ride to the hotel, check in, get settled... once again, whatever the length of your flight is, I don't care whether you have to do it all yourself or you have people to carry your nutsack for you, you still need to add at least three hours to the flight time that you're constantly on the go.

We used to fly Seattle to Chicago fairly regularly, that's about four hours, takeoff-to-touchdown (little more, little less, depending on a favorable tailwind). Vancouver to Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Detroit, etc. is around 5 hours. Really, the longer you fly, the better, almost, because the flying (at least for me) is the easy part (not so much for my wife, who's in a near-panic every time there's a little bump). Even a Vancouver-Seattle hop - where you're basically up, leveled off, the girl stands at the front and tosses everyone a bag of peanuts, and you're on your way back down - is a long process when you factor in all the mish-mosh to and from the flight.

These's guys have been doing it for years, its there jobs. And im pretty sure there used to it by now.