No I mean if they were to

Why would anyone doubt apple at this point???

Maybe in a few more years if they really start letting down on the products but even then unlikely.

Stupid Kevin and his ugly face

I wish I was as rich as him :okay:
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It's stupid to cast doubt on Apple these days. No matter how good or shitty the products are, or how soon they replace them with an incremental hardware upgrade, enough people still buy them like crazy.

How long this lasts is anyone's guess. It can't possibly be 'forever' though. Apple is really pushing the boundaries of blind fanboyism, but it's still working for them so there you go

Hilarious to see people imply the only reason Apple is successful is because of the "fanboys". You should stop watching those Samsung commercials.

Of course there a certain number of Apple customers who fall into that category, but mainly they're just regular customers. Most iPhone and iPad users don't even own Macs, for example. I guess when a company sells products that do well it makes the people who can't understand their success look for answers to explain it, and the usual fall back for Apple is that there are a lot of stupid "sheep" keeping them alive.

I'm curious what those people would say about a company like Halliburton (for example) who did an in-depth study of Android and iOS and picked iOS as their platform of choice to replace their BB's. are they, like so many other companies, spending millions because their IT guy is a fanboy?
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yes i guess the millions of the same people who camp out every 6 months or whenever apple comes out with a "new" product are just "regular customers"

apples success is based on a foundation of fanboys/sheep whose joy/addiction/what have you acts as a domino effect onto actual regular customers who buy into the hype/belief of the rabid fans and that perpetuates/rockets/domino-effects/etc sales

regular customers dont upgrade/purchase every few months fans do

This can be said about android fanboys too. How many people trading in their galaxy nexus for the nexus 4 that doesn't have LTE and is only faster and slightly wider?
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What apple has goes far beyond your typical brand loyalty
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Uhh giant smudge on my back camera. I keep the camera lens clean and free of scratches too.

No. There are several agencies that track customer loyalty of top brands, and although Apple sits at or near the top (depending on when the survey is done and if it's overall or broken down into specific product groups), they are not actually that far ahead of other brands. Where Apple might sit at 95%, the next 4 companies will still all be above 90%.

That does not qualify as "far beyond".

How did you arrive at "millions"? Based on reported line-ups at various stores and the number of Apple stores, your figures are way too high.

But let's say your over-inflated numbers were correct and several million actually camped out. And we'll assume none of them were resellers, were hired by promoters or were there to get publicity - they were all customers. Apple has several hundred million customers. So your number still represents maybe 1-2% of Apple's customer base. So you're going to take the actions of 1-2% of the fanatics and apply it to the other 98-99%?

Where did you get the idea Apple fans upgrade every few months? How is that even possible with iPhones coming out once per year? Are you sure you're not talking about Android?


DanHibiki and Ronin are correct. The real losers (obsessive fans) are the Android users. You can use RS to test this theory yourself. Go into the Google Nexus 4 thread and count the total number of anti-Android or troll comments. Do the same in the Galaxy S3 thread. Then go into the iPhone 5 or iPad Mini thread and count the anti-Apple comments.

Then you can answer me this simple question: How come the Android related threads on RS are pretty much troll-free without any trace of Apple "fanboys" spouting useless shit like "Android sucks" while at the same time there are numerous such posts in all the iPhone/iPad threads?

It's such a simple question, so it should be easy for you to provide an answer.

Lulz...so my speaker stopped working completely today, no speakerphone, no music, no Audio with any videos

Hard reset, iTunes update check, numerous setting changes, nothing..cool
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the fact that they sell millions of units in the first couple days every few months when a new unit comes out (not just camping in line but camping at the computer)

as for the rest of it what's so difficult to understand about fans/diehards forming the foundation and base that influences those around them... especially so when those fanatics are based within review sites which have greater influencing force among the masses..

The whole hating on apple sycophants is just getting old. Take a deep breath and just let it go. Who cares?

Reminds me of a few years back how blackberry users said blackberry > other phones because blackberrys have bbm and physical keyboards :lol
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first of all, if youre a FAN of course youd support the product.... so are you saying if you were a canucks FAN you shouldnt watch as many games as you can? totally two different things, but its the same logic.

and iphones come out every year.. yes there are also tablets too but those update every year too.. but theres so many more android users on rs that went from nexus s -> gnex -> note/s3 etc. i dont know what kind of point youre trying to make here...... :suspicious:

honestly guys, who the fuck cares what you do with your own hard earned money? you can buy whatever the fuck you want. whyre you mad people are buying apple products? why was no one mad at me for going from g1/g2/nexus s/s1/s2/s3 "EVERY FEW MONTHS LIKE A FAN".

The upgrades apple releases don't justify upgrading once a year
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Solid points, and I whole-heartedly agree with you...

I'm an Android/iPhone and Win. Mo. user at this current moment. I don't have a bias towards one or the other. But, I think he was just giving his $0.02 on the new iPhone 5 and that he doesn't feel that the we can attribute the success of this phone to it's actual features and hardware but rather loyalty. I agree with him to an extent but acknowledge that I'm saying this in an iPhone/iOS thread so it may not be the best place to voice it.

That being said, I don't think the iPhone 5 is anything close to amazing. I upgraded from my 4s to the 5 and I didn't think it was worth my money (bought it outright of course.) For the most part, it was the same device except it now had a longer screen (although I felt it was slightly quicker but I attributed that to the fact that it was a brand new clean phone without any garbage loaded onto it yet.)

We should remember that in the U.S and other countries, carriers work on a 2 Year agreement and so TONS of iPhone 4 users were due for an upgrade at a subsidized price. If they were content with their iOS devices, the logically sound choice would be to upgrade for a rather affordable price, to a new and improved version of the phone you previously had. Even if it's a slight improvement from the device you had, that "slightness" may be reason enough to upgrade to the iPhone 5.

Again, I'm just trying to diffuse the argument which as implied by insomniac is frivolous and trivial. But, if you go back to look at what Hondaracer said, he never said Android > iPhone or anything like that. He just recognized the fact that Apple has created a loyal fan base that will keep them strong indefinitely. There is no doubt, that Apple has successfully and rightfully created a brand that is known, reputable and delivered time after time. There is no way we can contest that it doesn't play into the sales of the iPhone. Whether the same situation is happening with Android is not relevant in this discussion because I don't believe he was comparing the two.

Legit question here. Assuming the Galaxy Nexus gets Android 4.2, what are the benefits from upgrading from a Galaxy Nexus to a Nexus 4? Just faster and slightly wider screen?

I would add better camera to the list too. Also unlike the iPhone 5 the build quality seems to have gone up rather than down lol
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because you obviously have reading comprehension issues..... dagonay was basically saying that apple sales are by and large solely due to the masses deciding on their own what the best product was out there...

and i came in with my comment of that not being true because the sales are mainly due to fans as evidenced and seemingly agreed by you that the fans purchase the new iProduct every time one is released, and in turn they influence those around them to be attracted/interested/etc in buying an iProduct (doesn't mean its the best product).

:suspicious: im basically saying Apples success is due to their fans and not Joe-6-Pack what's so difficult to comprehend...

Your grammar.
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So now you're adding "camping at the computer" to the list and implying they are of the same mentality as people who wait in line? Seriously? It took me less than 5 minutes to place my order online. Do I need to be obsessive to waste 5 minutes of my time ordering online? I was driving by a Rogers store on launch day and saw no huge line, so I went up and inquired - they had stock so I just picked one up there. No hassles, no waiting, 10 minutes to fill out the paperwork and wait for the call back when it's ready for pickup. Hardly what I'd call "obsessive" behavior.

Apple sold 5 million iPhones on launch weekend. They also sold 83 million iPhones from the beginning of this year up until the time the iPhone 5 came out. So what do you call those 83 million who didn't buy an iPhone 5 even though everyone "knew" it was coming out? Or the 20+ million who bought iPhones just before the iPhone 5 release instead of waiting for the "latest & greatest"?

Surely rabid fans wouldn't buy an iPhone in the months leading up to a new release. Nor would they buy an older model. If fans were as rabid as you imply, then Apple should sell a gazillion phones in the few months after a release and then sales should drop to nothing the rest of the year while waiting for the next model. Older models like the 4 and 4S shouldn't sell if people are "always upgrading" to the newest model. Sorry, but the numbers just don't line up with your imagined reasons why Apple sells a lot of devices. High brand loyalty? Absolutely. Rabid fanboys? Some, but they comprise a small % of the total.


Here's a question for all the people in this thread who bought an iPhone 5, iPad Mini or iPad 4: Do you consider yourself a fanboy? Did you camp out in line for hours to get yours? Did you buy from a reseller and pay extra $$$ to get yours early? Is your house filled with nothing but Apple products? Do you get the newest iPhone and iPad every single time they come out, or do you skip a generation? Do you use Macs in your house or Windows PC's? Do you spend a lot of time in Android threads or forums starting shit with them?

^Ya I dunno how anyone can group together camping out all night with ordering online. One takes 12 or so hours the other takes 2 minutes.

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^LOL