It's possible to hurt yourself with any exercise if you don't do it right. Hell, you can hurt yourself getting out of bed if you twist the wrong way.

But to compare movements like deadlift or squat or even curls to the barbell press is just stupid. The BB press is an unnatural motion that our bodies aren't intended to do. Same goes for exercises like the bench dip (whatever they call it when you go between two benches with a plate on your legs), behind-the-back rows, etc. Yes you can do them, yes you will get gains from them, and some people can do them more easily than others. But the point is, you are forcing your body to rotate in ways that it wasn't supposed to. That is an indisputable fact.

I am sure the exaggerated use of the word "useless" is what set people off into blind ignorant rage mode. I don't mean useless, as you can of course get gains from it, and a lot of people lift really heavy weights with these unnatural movements (as you can see in Halo's video). But the amount of focus this one exercise gets, for no other reason than ego stroking, is my main point.

Your opinion would hold more weight if you could quote some sort of reputable source who feels the same way as you about barbell benching.

Not trolling, just saying.

I could spend the next hour going across all the big articles written by well respected writers like Cressey, MacDonald, Hyght, Waterbury, Polliquin, Thibeadeau, etc.

Or I can just say "google it" :)

They all say the same thing.

Here's an article I came across just recently that you can take a look at.
As you can see, he had to put it much more delicately.. Otherwise he'd have to put up with a LOT more flaming than I did here! :lol

Can you post the other links?

Is this what you're referring to: http://ericcressey.com/should-pitchers-bench-press ?

I wasn't referring to any specific posts, just what I have gleaned from reading over the years. Some are more pro-bench than others (knowing that 99% of their clients will insist on it) others are totally against it. Just do some reading.

And for fuck sake if you do barbell presses, just make sure to do them right. :)

so if you lift like a retard, you can hurt yourself on BB bench press



sounds like every other excersise we do, you do it wrong you get hurt

good chat everyone, im glad we cleared up this mystery

:facepalm: the very definition of not getting it.
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and how is this a `natural` movement...

if squats and deads are `natural` movements, then no one would have to be taught how to correctly do them when they first start off.. no exercise that is done with correct form is ever done in real life... it is the way we are taught to do them with the least risk of injury through scientific studies.

The BB BP exercise is one of those were previous poster correctly aluded to- its really a stat that you tell other guys. I don't know how many times I've been asked what I bench when I tell people I weightlift.

The PL BB is safer however. It requires a strong foundation and keeps your shoulders in a position that is in better position to press (in a straight line, elbows tucked, scapula pulled tight together).

I've never really BB and been more of a Military Press guy due to Weightlifting and my heavy involvement in sports. Need to keep the shoulders healthy. BUT, interestly, I do find that there is carryover from my Military Press/Push press to my BP. The oppposit is not true.

Do you see any joints being stretched backwards, or rotating the wrong direction in those videos, or in squats or deadlifts?

Nope, me neither. Not sure what your point was there... Besides proving yourself wrong

so pumped for tonights workout, chest,legs,triceps

I want to try this!
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I was merely asking for your definition of "natural". You were basing your point on the actual joints and surroudning connective tissue, I was referring to the hardwired motor patterns someone is naturally accustomed with, without having ever hit the gym.

And as for joints stretching backwards? All your joints are capable of moving "backwards". It is called flexion and extension. Rotating in the wrong direction? So your ball and socket joint in your hip isn't capable of rotating in all directions?

Don't get me wrong, I understand all your points.

The only thing I disagree is your definition of the BB Bench being a "ego stroking" or "dudebro exercise" or "dudebro scoring meter." Lol. The exercise works when done correctly was my point.

Other than that, I'll officially call it the dudebro lift. Haha!

95x6 for incline DB bench
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After a weekend off, recovering from deadlifts, I am really looking forward to today.

Rows, DB overhead press, squats. Fun! I might even do some curls!

fuck i love doing triceps after chest

Deadlift day, I wish everyone around me wouldn't stop what they're doing and stare when I lift anything over 350...
For me, lifting heavier without stims always takes a lot of mental preparation.

Started doing power cleans again, they feel really great too. Next week I'll try going heavier, 135 is getting light.

didn't want to make a new thread so I thought I'd ask in here....

anyone know more about sleeping? Is it important to get 8 hours at once? Is 4 hours x 2 as in lets say 1 am to 5 am sleep then 2 pm to 6 pm sleep the same as 1 am to 9 am?

I believe that it's different for every person. You also have to take into consideration how deep of a sleep cycle you go into.

http://helpguide.org/life/sleeping.htm

any1 have good ways of increasing stamina and endurance for cardio??

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29.99 pretty good deal if you don't mind the flavor
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If you wrote this instead about a page ago, there would have not been such a shit storm:p

SkinnyPupp usually i agree with your statements (the common misconception of fats NOT making you fat in particular) and they are insightful, but I think most would agree here you come off a little brash when sharing your opinion

do it every day or take the easy way and take high stim preworkout =P

to put it mildly...