[tegra7]

Rona Langley has about 80 bags of this stuff.
https://www.rona.ca/en/product/windsor-safe-t-salt-ice-melter-20-kg-1416-8609002

[hchang]

Rona Langley has about 80 bags of this stuff.
https://www.rona.ca/en/product/windsor-safe-t-salt-ice-melter-20-kg-1416-8609002

They had skids of these at Safeway Willingdon & Hastings as well

[unit]

it goes really quick tho, the langley one is all gone, closest rona with stock is hope.

[Traum]

Funny how Failbook has sent me a reminder of the Great (Free!) Salt Run Vancouver had from 5 years ago:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1247470721967357

FailFish

[Liquid_o2]

I can't believe that was 5 years ago already. Damn, time flies!

[320icar]

Wow my street this afternoon!!! It barely snowed in Ladner but it was like ice crystals. Now that vehicles have driven on them, it’s now a hard packed ice rink. Thank god it’s all flat farmland

[Teriyaki]

Yea, there's multiple types of snow accumulation and this is what a lot of people from snow-heavy places fail to recognize is most dangerous for Vancouver. This snowfall on top of slush/wet conditions while the temperature hovers around 0 is perfect for hidden ice formation.

East coasters, Albertans etc etc always say we're just bad drivers that can't handle an in of snow etc when they can drive just fine in a foot of snow. They're not apples to apples comparisons. We had that dry snowpack in that first winter blast with the arctic air, this is the type of snowpack most people are familiar with and yea it wasn't too bad aside from being just stupid cold.

This next one is going to be the Vancouver special. Snowfall on top of already semi-frozen ground. One minute you have traction, the next you're going to be driving on a skating rink and its straight to destination fucked. Stay safe out there everyone.

[whitev70r]

... so ... what happened? When is it going to start?

[westopher]

Yea, there's multiple types of snow accumulation and this is what a lot of people from snow-heavy places fail to recognize is most dangerous for Vancouver. This snowfall on top of slush/wet conditions while the temperature hovers around 0 is perfect for hidden ice formation.

East coasters, Albertans etc etc always say we're just bad drivers that can't handle an in of snow etc when they can drive just fine in a foot of snow. They're not apples to apples comparisons. We had that dry snowpack in that first winter blast with the arctic air, this is the type of snowpack most people are familiar with and yea it wasn't too bad aside from being just stupid cold.

This next one is going to be the Vancouver special. Snowfall on top of already semi-frozen ground. One minute you have traction, the next you're going to be driving on a skating rink and its straight to destination fucked. Stay safe out there everyone.
It happens in Alberta as well. The big difference is it happens once a year instead of every single snowfall like it does here.

[StylinRed]

... so ... what happened? When is it going to start?

Looking at the radar seems like it's in WA n Victoria with some sprinkles hitting Richmond

Maybe we're in the clear :/

[Bouncing Bettys]

Has there been any talk of schools possibly closing tomorrow due to the snow and treacherous roads? They remain open for children of essential workers. I barely made it into work today with studded tires and they remained open. Tomorrow I have to drop my kid off in Mission and the roads will likely be much worse.

[Traum]

My kid's school principal has emailed us (ie. all parents) that there is a possibility of school closure tomorrow (Thurs), and VSB's decision will come at 7am. We're told to follow the news media since that announcement will be sent to the local news media outlets. In BB's case, you should probably check the Mission School Board's website tomorrow some time after 7am too.

On a different note, CoV Waste Collection has emailed us saying that only recyclables (ie. blue box) will be collected tomorrow. This is not surprising because I was expecting them to be unable to come because of the snow fall anyway. But it does mean it will be the 2nd week where my green bin has not been emptied.

[AzNightmare]

... so ... what happened? When is it going to start?

lol, it's coming down in Burnaby now.

[inv4zn]

Coming down pretty good in South Burnaby, about half an inch on my car in 2 hours :notbad:

[whitev70r]

Yah ...it's arrived, a bit later than forecast. Tomorrow will be a snow day for sure. Don't even think about using Alex Fraser or Port Mann. It'll be easier to swim across the Fraser than to take either of those bridges.

[StylinRed]

The bridges might be closed too they warned

[Mr.Money]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcjso92l9lw&ab_channel=FalseCreekFuels


near downtown.

[JSALES]

When are they going to start plowing the streets of Vancouver? Haven’t seen anything plowed yet

[twitchyzero]

there were 2 behind me on 33rd

[jing]

Roads were OK heading towards the DTES. Plowed well for the most part
Seen a few questionable drivers already even at this hour so I can only imagine it'll get worse later.

[Hondaracer]

4 inches of snow in Vancouver and the answer is the mayor going on twitter telling people to stay home! Ffs..

[RiceIntegraRS]

Its not even that bad in surrey. I have snow cables for my truck but i dont even think i have to even use those in this weather

[stewie]

Mainroad is the contractor for highway 1 here I believe. 5:30am highway was pick a tire rut and stay in it. Lanes not needed. If they can't keep up with plowing they should start allowing municipalities to plow the highway that runs through their city. Langley roads were crap but once I got over the Kensington overpass in Burnaby which was crap as well (Mainroad also has the contract for every overpass) city streets were clear as can be.
Also gotta love those highway warriors in trucks ripping it down the highway. Saw several of them do small fish tails as they were passing the cars ahead of me. Can't wait to see one of them sitting sideways.

[quasi]

It's looking pretty icy out there.

https://i.imgur.com/xP1kfRt.jpg

[Euro7r]

Didn't snow as much as I expected.

[pastarocket]

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/01/05/metro-vancouver-snow-schools-closed/

All public schools including post secondary are closed.

I miss those days off from school because of snow back in the day. FeelsBadMan


While many students from Kindergarten through post-secondary in B.C. are attending virtually, snow-related closures will affect those who are attending in-person classes at schools across the region. The following is a list of school closures for Thursday, Jan. 6.


Elementary and Secondary Schools
Abbotsford
All Abbotsford public schools are closed for the day Thursday.

Burnaby
All public schools in Burnaby are closed Thursday.

St. Helens is closed.
Chilliwack
All public schools in SD 33 are closed

École La Vérendrye is closed
Coquitlam
UPDATE: Instead of a delayed start, the Coquitlam district says all schools will be CLOSED Thursday.

Delta
SD 37 has not announced any closures

École du Bois-joli is closed
Langley
All public schools in the Langley School District (SD35) are closed to both staff and students Thursday.

École des Voyageurs is closed
The King’s School is closed
Maple Ridge & Pitt Meadows
All public schools are closed.

Maple Ridge Christian is closed.
Mission
All public schools in SD75 are closed Thursday due to “treacherous road conditions and general all around bad weather combinations.”

New Westminster
All New Westminster public schools are closed Thursday.

Head Start PreKinder
North Vancouver
All public schools are closed in North Vancouver Thursday.

Lions Gate Christian Academy is closed for staff, students
André-Piolat is closed
St. Thomas Aquinas Regional Secondary
Port Coquitlam
All public schools are closed.

École des Pionniers-de-Maillardville is closed
Hope Lutheran Christian School (Port Coquitlam and Pitt Meadows campuses)
Port Moody
All public schools are closed.

Richmond
All public schools in Richmond are closed Thursday.

École des Navigateurs is closed
Surrey
All public schools in Surrey are closed.

École Gabrielle-Roy is closed
St. Matthew’s Elementary School is closed
Pacific Academy is closed

Vancouver

All Vancouver public schools as well as French-language schools are closed Thursday.

St. Francis Xavier Elementary is closed
Elite Montessori Academy

West Vancouver
All West Vancouver public schools are closed Thursday.

Post-secondary

While most classes have moved online, the University of British Columbia and Langara College have announced that all on-campus classes are cancelled. Simon Fraser University will be closing campuses, including libraries.


University of British Columbia
@UBC
Jan. 6 DAY CLASSES CANCELLED at #UBC Vancouver due to anticipated weather. Students, faculty and staff check http://ubc.ca for information and latest updates

[supafamous]

Didn't snow as much as I expected.

Same. I think I got only 5" in my neck of the woods (Central Park) and was expecting more like 8-10".

[Liquid_o2]

Drove my wife to work at around 7:30 this morning. Streets were pretty good until I hit Cambie and King Edward - it was a bit of a mess in that area. Hoping that things are plowed and in better condition when I pick her up later.

[lilaznviper]

had to drive the wife to work around 8:15

kingsway was plowed, once i got to 12th ave it was not plowed and everyone went on the one lane that was cleared. a couple of trucks took the unplowed lane so i ended up taking the unplowed lane and passed everyone down towards the hospital area.
Surprised the hospital area wasn't plowed.

driving back home, broadway was zero plowed

[fsy82]

Coming from South Surrey to Newton on 128th only one lane was plowed both ways. Since i have snow tires + quattro i went into the un-plowed lane :)

[nismodrifter]

Really interesting snow. Fine layer of ice formed on top of it all. That picture posted above caught what it looks like very nicely. Icy as hell outside.

[punkwax]

Snow is heavy today. Get out there before the rain starts if you have to shovel a public walkway.

[teggy604]

^ woke up early just to shovel everything and dust the snow off before the rain freezes everything to hell.

[Dragon-88]

Had to drive from Coquitlam to Burnaby this morning around 9am, the whole strip from Coquilam center to the HWY was completely ice and was backed up quite a bit. I ended up driving through RiverView and it was completely plowed. Cruised pass all the traffic and accidents.

I find if you're vehicle is prepared for the side roads then take them. You will get there faster and safer than the main roads.

[lilaznviper]

Took the winter tire express lane:fullofwin:

https://youtu.be/oFd1r8zSAgk

[Acura604]

damnit..i'm really stuck here... i thought the XICE could get me out...

damnit...totally bottomed out....

:lol

https://i.imgur.com/IddyziC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jgkf7F9.jpg

[Gumby]

^can’t tell if that’s a real car or a scale model car… :lol

[EvoFire]

Snow is heavy today. Get out there before the rain starts if you have to shovel a public walkway.

This wet snow is back breaking. Give me back that perfect snowboard powder from last week.

[westopher]

It's mashed potatoes even up on Seymour today.

[EvoFire]

It's mashed potatoes even up on Seymour today.

Is that what this stuff is called? Pretty accurate description though :lawl:

[Acura604]

I don't understand why people who know their car is inadequate keep trying ...

AZ Prime excused

https://youtu.be/D7JVh7CSIVo

[StylinRed]

Canada Post suspending mail delivery is a surprise

[SumAznGuy]

I'm really curious how well 1 or 2 year old (not 1 or 2 season old) All Weather tires would work in these conditions?

[supafamous]

I'm really curious how well 1 or 2 year old (not 1 or 2 season old) All Weather tires would work in these conditions?

If you mean stuff like CrossClimates and WRG4s then I suspect they're fine as their mileage warranties go up to 100,000km so 1 or 2 years is nothing on those tires. I think the CrossClimate is specifically designed so there's more void area as they wear so that performance in winter is mostly maintained.

[supafamous]

This wet snow is back breaking. Give me back that perfect snowboard powder from last week.

I got me one of these sleigh shovels (https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/yardworks-sleigh-snow-shovel-with-wear-strip-24-in-0596809p.html?_br_psugg_q=snow+s) from Canadian Tire and it's a lifesaver for my back. I can get my driveway and sidewalk cleared in half the time now. Got a bit of bruising on my knee as I use my knee to lift it up to unload the snow sometimes but it beats being sore all over (I have a WFH office dad bod).

[SumAznGuy]

If you mean stuff like CrossClimates and WRG4s then I suspect they're fine as their mileage warranties go up to 100,000km so 1 or 2 years is nothing on those tires. I think the CrossClimate is specifically designed so there's more void area as they wear so that performance in winter is mostly maintained.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was wondering.
I don't know enough about them as I've always had summer tires and winter tires.

But hearing too many people say screw it and ordered All Weather tires cause they don't want the hassles of changing tires twice a year.

[murd0c]

I put crossclimate2's on my Mazda right before the floods and wow what incredible tires. Tons of grip in the rain/snow. I honestly couldn't be happier.

[Oshiguru]

This mornings commute was interesting. Took the 99 and just chilled in the right lane which had some slush on it, the left lane was somewhat clear. People were hauling going 100+ still. Crossed the tunnel and had a 18 wheeler swerve between the right and into the middle lane after the Steveston exit so i signaled an went to the fast lane. Lifted truck starts tailing me and flashing their lights as he caught up fairly quickly. As soon as i safely merge he flips me off then speeds to the westminister exit almost losing it. People need to chill they only saved like 30 seconds.

Lots of cars in the ditches as well. Counted 2 buses and 10 cars/trucks/suvs from South Surrey to Vancouver.

Forecast looks to be above freezing and rain so hopefully this clears out over the next few days but more snow is always welcome

[EvoFire]

I got me one of these sleigh shovels (https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/yardworks-sleigh-snow-shovel-with-wear-strip-24-in-0596809p.html?_br_psugg_q=snow+s) from Canadian Tire and it's a lifesaver for my back. I can get my driveway and sidewalk cleared in half the time now. Got a bit of bruising on my knee as I use my knee to lift it up to unload the snow sometimes but it beats being sore all over (I have a WFH office dad bod).

I was looking at that thing but wasn't sure about it since I didn't think I can lift it. Maybe I'll see if I can pick one up cheap after season.

[AzNightmare]

I'm so disappointed with my electric shovel. I picked it up back in 2020 but I didn't get to really test it out last winter cause it barely snowed, so I put it to the real test this winter. It's great for blasting snow out of your property, but only if you have no regard for just moving the snow into the street or into your neighbour's yard.

As well, all it can do is spray snow directly forward, meaning they are absolutely useless for sidewalks... unless once again, you don't mind blasting snow into your neighbour's area.

I would imagine they would be more useful for people that live outside of the city where they have a huge yard, so they can just blast the snow from the common areas to lesser walked areas within their own property.

https://multimedia.bbycastatic.ca/multimedia/products/500x500/158/15849/15849384.jpeg

[supafamous]

I was looking at that thing but wasn't sure about it since I didn't think I can lift it. Maybe I'll see if I can pick one up cheap after season.

It's not bad at all, most of the time I'm just pushing it up to a wall or some area to dump it off so I don't have to lift it all, I just tilt it forward. When I do lift I just do a knee lift (like an ugly soccer kick) and it does the trick.

It paid for itself on the first day of use considering my desk job calibre back didn't hurt anymore.

[BIC_BAWS]

Car was absolutely covered this morning. I was 3.5 hours late for work cause I got stuck and couldn't power out lol. The snow on the hood was almost as tall as the roofline of the car. I have staggered cement blocks after the steps to my place, it's like it doesn't exist. I first attempted at 6:30am. Didn't finish clearing the driveway and being able to get out until 9:00am lol.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220107/677249521c953743e36b5d51e7091c08.jpg

This was a cool pic I took, but it was really not intentional and I was stuck like that.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220107/2e33356bd975ce40c335e930af101c55.jpg

This is how far I got. Even tried putting down gravel and cardboard LOL. It just swung left and right.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220107/745ed2f7b5374d188443faab9343fa19.jpg

Here's how much snow. It was like shovel height. I estimate 8-9"

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220107/106d787db16ce88f79af373f25a72b3f.jpg

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[stewie]

As expected, all the surrounding buildings shoveled the snow from the sidewalks on to the curb of the road which is now blocking every storm drain on the block. I'm staring at the intersection and its like a swimming pool. Water has nowhere to go.. I know where the drain is outside my building so I'll have to try and find it with my foot tonight when I take the dog out.

[danned]

https://i.redd.it/cgpl5mwl41a81.jpg

[whitev70r]

^^ City of Vancouver - Adopt a catch basin/drain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isy9fAgIfC0

[Hehe]

I bought an Ego snowblower back in summer when it went on sale at Ronas.

Friend thought I was crazy... but I told him between all the sidewalks and driveway that I have to cover, I'm already going light when some of my old-timer neighbors got the rider type snowblower.

And god was I glad to have that thing. I cleared my driveway and sidewalks before heading out today in under 20min... it's easily a 2hr work if I had to shovel my way out and the sidewalk given how deep and sticky was today's snow.

[!Kodamu]

I bought one from princess auto cause it was on sale. If I had to pay retail. I wouldn't think it's worth it.



I'm so disappointed with my electric shovel. I picked it up back in 2020 but I didn't get to really test it out last winter cause it barely snowed, so I put it to the real test this winter. It's great for blasting snow out of your property, but only if you have no regard for just moving the snow into the street or into your neighbour's yard.

As well, all it can do is spray snow directly forward, meaning they are absolutely useless for sidewalks... unless once again, you don't mind blasting snow into your neighbour's area.

I would imagine they would be more useful for people that live outside of the city where they have a huge yard, so they can just blast the snow from the common areas to lesser walked areas within their own property.

https://multimedia.bbycastatic.ca/multimedia/products/500x500/158/15849/15849384.jpeg

[Manic!]

Spotted this abandoned Mustang today.
https://i.postimg.cc/D7DC6pnk/stang.jpg

[AzNightmare]

I bought one from princess auto cause it was on sale. If I had to pay retail. I wouldn't think it's worth it.

I bought mine at a pretty good price too as it was on sale. I thought of maybe selling mines, but I haven't fully made up my mind yet.

How do you like yours? Maybe there's a better technique and I'm not using mine correctly, but I find it's impossible to control where the snow gets displaced. It just shoots out at a 15 ft high arc.

[Mr.Money]

just had to be a mustang fucking shit up right?.

[SkunkWorks]

Spotted this abandoned Mustang today.
https://i.postimg.cc/D7DC6pnk/stang.jpg

Just a mustang doing mustang things.

"No one walking today? ok i'll drive into the post instead"

[coneZONE]

i was able to source a carburetor for our 2-stroke snow blower.... after the dump came and left haha. It does clear slushy snow but clogs up the chute easily

[quasi]

Cool, more snow this morning. If I never seen snow again for the rest of my life I'd be quite happy with that outcome. I moved out of the prairies to get away from it but here it is.

[ImportPsycho]

Snowing AGAIN!
I can't believe I'm saying this but, I miss rain...
I prefer rain over snow.

[EvoFire]

Let it snow. It's awesome. I didn't expect it to but bring on the snow.

[nismodrifter]

I prefer snow. But I prefer if it stays. Rather than the stupid snow/melt cycle.

Tons of massive potholes have emerged as a result of this cycle.

Tons of idiots on the road today.

[hotjoint]

this snow can fuck off!

[twitchyzero]

only want the snow to melt enough that city comes to collect the 3 weeks worth of garbage
then continue snowing :lol

[StylinRed]

I like the snow, but I also kind of wanna fly to somewhere nice n sunny :lol

[lilaznviper]

people leaving out their garbage for days and after the small wind storm, there is garbage all over the alley way now

[StylinRed]

There's video on tiktok of cars abandoned/crashed all along the road to whistler, lots of suvs too

Guess it's the "I have awd I don't need winter tires" crowd

[westopher]

I drove Friday morning on winters and it wasn’t pretty out there. Dude in front of me in a 4 runner pulled over and flipped a u turn after sliding around for about 10km. Pure ice. Doesn’t matter how well equipped you are if
A) you don’t know what you’re doing
B) you just have some shit luck

[MarkyMark]

Running my all terrain Falken AT3Ws on my F150 all year around. They have the 3 peak snowflake symbol but it's amazing how shitty my truck feels in 2 wheel drive with an empty bed VS 4x4 when conditions get really slippery. It goes from feeling like a Mustang to absolutely no problem.

[quasi]

only want the snow to melt enough that city comes to collect the 3 weeks worth of garbage
then continue snowing :lol

I posted about city not picking up my garbage last week. Wife calls city and complains, they sent a truck last night it only picked our garbage up, when it came to other overflowing bins in our culdesac, they just left them where they stood.

I guess if you don't call and complain you don't get your shit picked up, pretty dumb lol.

[Gh0stRider]

Saw this gem on Friday. Hope the tree is okay.


https://i.postimg.cc/YCdJmrvj/20220107-140615.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/05JPRwbn/20220107-140433.jpg

[JSALES]

So many freaking potholes on the streets now since the snow is gone

[lilaznviper]

the small stretch on cambie and broadway is pot hole city.

[Traum]

Not to mention a lot of them are crater sized FailFish

[Gh0stRider]

Knight St is bad too

[HonestTea]

There's so much black ice everywhere, be safe everyone. Just slid everywhere in Coquitlam at 1 AM

[blkgsr]

ya side streets up near como lake area where an ice rink this morning

[whitev70r]

Metro Vancouver potholes range in severity after cold snap (https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/01/10/metro-vancouver-potholes-cold/)

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/wp-content/blogs.dir/sites/9/2017/01/04/pothole.jpg


https://twitter.com/MainroadLM/status/1480601341332537358

[Traum]

It isn't just the street that is getting fxxked with potholes from this winter's string of freeze-thaw temperatures. My driveway also got fxxked hard as well...
:tears:

[Presto]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/homeowner-lawsuit-snow-removal-1.6309767



From snails to snow: Why homeowners aren't liable for slips on icy sidewalks (BC)

If you're crafting a legal strategy to ruin the homeowner whose unshovelled sidewalk led to your broken limb during B.C.'s latest snowmageddon, spare a thought for Darwin Der.

The Burnaby man went all the way to B.C.'s Court of Appeal with a lawsuit against a couple he blamed for his slip on the pavement out front of their house — only to have the province's top court issue the final word last year on a classic Canadian legal conundrum.

The appeal court judges found once and for all that property owners do not owe a "general duty of care to take reasonable care with respect to the removal of snow and ice from sidewalks adjacent to their property."

It was a decision grounded in precedent established by wounded pedestrians from coast to coast to coast — one that harkens back to a question that has plagued judges for decades: What exactly does being a good neighbour mean?

"Ninety years ago, our law became that one has a duty to look after their neighbour," says Ryan Dalziel, the lawyer who handled Der's challenge.

"When it comes to compliance with safety-based bylaws for clearing sidewalks in front of your home, I say with all due respect to courts, judges and others of a different view, what is this if not taking care for one's neighbour?"

Der and his wife were walking home from a grocery store with a dozen eggs on Dec. 21, 2017, when the then-76-year-old slipped on the corner of the sidewalk outside of a home belonging to Ang Zhao and Quanqiu Huang.

According to an affidavit, Der's feet slid out from underneath him.

"When I regained some level of awareness, I could feel pain in my shoulder, neck and back, and I could not move," the affidavit said.

Zhao and Huang moved into the home in front of the sidewalk on the day Der fell.

Zhao said he had shovelled the sidewalk in previous days in order to comply with the city's bylaws. And Huang claimed she salted the sidewalk in the morning to make it safer for the movers.

An accident reconstruction expert said the Lower Mainland cycle of freezing and thawing that followed likely left the pavement vulnerable to the kind of melting that later leads to black ice.

Der claimed the couple should have foreseen that the weather might turn the bare sidewalk into a skating rink.

The judge who heard the case in the lower court rejected Der's argument, pointing out that finding homeowners liable for injuries suffered because they did their civic duty the wrong way would mean "property owners would have an incentive not to make any efforts to comply with snow removal bylaws."

In his appeal, Der argued that property owners should have a duty of care to the people walking past their homes.

Although dozens of judges have considered similar situations, the B.C. Appeal Court became the first to conduct a legal test specifically designed to test the limits of legal responsibility between individuals.

The ruling cites the so-called neighbour principle established in 1932 by the British House of Lords in what's widely known as the "snail in the bottle case" — because it began with a Scottish woman who sued when she was shocked and sickened after finding a decomposed snail at the bottom of her bottle of ginger beer.

"You must take reasonable care to avoid acts or omissions which you can reasonably foresee would be likely to injure your neighbour," Lord James Atkin said at the time.

"Who, then, in law, is my neighbour? The answer seems to be persons who are so closely and directly affected by my act that I ought reasonably to have them in contemplation as being affected when I am directing my mind to the acts or omissions which are called in question."

The B.C. Appeal Court judges found no reason to fault the widely cited logic of a judge who considered the "neighbour principle" in relation to snow clearing in 2000 in the case of a woman who fell on a sidewalk north of Toronto.

"It would stretch it too far if it was applied in the circumstances of this case. A homeowner has a duty to ensure that his or her own property is maintained in a reasonable condition so that persons entering the property are not injured," the judge in that case said.

"The snow and ice accumulating on public sidewalks and the potholes on the street in front of the house are the legal responsibility of the municipality, not the adjacent property owner."

Courts have found exceptions involving business owners who fail to clear a portion of the sidewalk that they effectively use as a corridor to usher customers into their stores.

In that situation, the business becomes an occupier of the public space.

In 2017, Ontario's Court of Appeal found Starbucks liable for a slice of pavement directly adjacent to a patio entrance.

But B.C.'s Appeal Court judges found "the relationship between a pedestrian and residential property owner is not sufficiently close and direct to make it just and fair to impose a duty of care."

They found that homeowners are not like managers of cafes or restaurants who actively court customers to walk the sidewalks leading into their businesses.

The case was not appealed — meaning the nation's top court, the Supreme Court of Canada, will not have the chance to weigh in.

[Teriyaki]

^ Painful read. Not sure why the paragraphs and quotes in the article were repeated like three times in that.

So, what I gather from that is that you won't be liable if someone (random) slips and falls on the sidewalks. But, still open to interpretation if your actual next door neighbour slips and falls and sues.

[Presto]

^ Painful read. Not sure why the paragraphs and quotes in the article were repeated like three times in that.

So, what I gather from that is that you won't be liable if someone (random) slips and falls on the sidewalks. But, still open to interpretation if your actual next door neighbour slips and falls and sues.

Sorry.. That was a hard fail. I think I fixed it.

[AzNightmare]

So many freaking potholes on the streets now since the snow is gone

lol, after the first snowfall, this same huge pothole keeps reopening up every winter. The city was quick to patch it up, but then after the 2nd snowfall, the repair broke off and now the pothole is back.

[AzNightmare]

Damn... Now that the snow has melt, I realized all the areas in my driveway that I put salt on is damaged. The top surface chipped and crumbled off into tiny little pieces..

[Traum]

I don't think you can blame the damage on the salt -- it's just the repeated freeze-thaw cycles, and how water has seeped in that caused the damage.

In addition to the cracks that have developed / worsened, I also have a few places on my driveway where the surface crumbled. Any idea what kind of ball park figure we're looking at to get a driveway repaved? It's roughly 2 cars wide and 1-1/2 car lengths long.

[Klobbersaurus]

I don't think you can blame the damage on the salt -- it's just the repeated freeze-thaw cycles, and how water has seeped in that caused the damage.

In addition to the cracks that have developed / worsened, I also have a few places on my driveway where the surface crumbled. Any idea what kind of ball park figure we're looking at to get a driveway repaved? It's roughly 2 cars wide and 1-1/2 car lengths long.

there is very little freeze-thaw cycles if you don't use salt, if its -1 outside, the ground is frozen and will stay frozen till it melts but if your melting it with salt, then its gonna freeze-thaw more often

[AzNightmare]

I don't think you can blame the damage on the salt -- it's just the repeated freeze-thaw cycles, and how water has seeped in that caused the damage.

In addition to the cracks that have developed / worsened, I also have a few places on my driveway where the surface crumbled. Any idea what kind of ball park figure we're looking at to get a driveway repaved? It's roughly 2 cars wide and 1-1/2 car lengths long.

It's the salt because I "strategically" poured salt like a path in areas on my driveway and walk ways that I know I will be using to access my garbage cans and other areas. And that's literally where all the damage is and only in those locations.

Unless I misunderstood your post and you're talking about it scientifically like it's not technically the salt, but the freeze cycles, etc, etc.

I'm just saying, it's my own dumbassness that ruined my driveway by using the salt, and could have been 100% avoidable...

That being said, it's not my first time using salt. Ironically, the front walkway and sidewalks are fine. The driveway in the back and walkways at the side of my house must use a different kind of concrete.

[inv4zn]

It's the salt because I "strategically" poured salt like a path in areas on my driveway and walk ways that I know I will be using to access my garbage cans and other areas. And that's literally where all the damage is and only in those locations.

Unless I misunderstood your post and you're talking about it scientifically like it's not technically the salt, but the freeze cycles, etc, etc.

I'm just saying, it's my own dumbassness that ruined my driveway by using the salt, and could have been 100% avoidable...

That being said, it's not my first time using salt. Ironically, the front walkway and sidewalks are fine. The driveway in the back and walkways at the side of my house must use a different kind of concrete.

Here's a scientific answer (I work with concrete).

Freeze/thaw cycles attack concrete because the water seeps in, and expands when it freezes, pushing out the concrete. You avoid this by using "air" in the concrete so water has room to expand into the pre-existing voids. Generally freeze/thaw damage will have larger chunks and deeper cracks.

Cements that are used in concrete have different ratings, including resistance to deicing chemicals and freeze/thaw (although there are lots of other factors at play). The salt will attack the surface of the concrete, and will produce what you're describing (flaking, or spalling).

Once the damage is done there's not much you can do, there are repair mortars you can patch on top but unless you prep the surface well and put in the effort, it'll just come off again next season.

[nismodrifter]

Salt on sidewalk. Yes.

Salt on my driveway. Not even once.

[AzNightmare]

Here's a scientific answer (I work with concrete).

Freeze/thaw cycles attack concrete because the water seeps in, and expands when it freezes, pushing out the concrete. You avoid this by using "air" in the concrete so water has room to expand into the pre-existing voids. Generally freeze/thaw damage will have larger chunks and deeper cracks.

Cements that are used in concrete have different ratings, including resistance to deicing chemicals and freeze/thaw (although there are lots of other factors at play). The salt will attack the surface of the concrete, and will produce what you're describing (flaking, or spalling).

Once the damage is done there's not much you can do, there are repair mortars you can patch on top but unless you prep the surface well and put in the effort, it'll just come off again next season.

Yeah, I know why it happened... lol. I wasn't really asking for scientific reasoning. I was just confused why it was mentioned earlier that salt wasn't to be blamed.
My post was just simply about finding out the salt I used damaged my concrete after the snow melt, and I know it's the salt because only the areas that I put salt on were damaged.

I'll try to patch it up in the summer.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Salt on sidewalk. Yes.

Salt on my driveway. Not even once.
Salt is awful for driveways and vehicles. With a very steep aggregate concrete driveway, growing up in Kamloops, we never used salt. A strict routine was kept to ensure the best traction without eating the driveway with salt.

1. No driving/walking on it until everything was done. Even parking on the street until it was finished, in order to avoid compacting snow.
2. Shovel side to side rather than down, so any remaining snow is grooved perpendicular for better grip.
3. Sweep whatever is left after shoveling with a straw broom to get snow the shovel can't pick up, or any footprints.
4. Give a good sprinkling of kitty litter on the areas most likely to be driven or walked on.

If you stay on top of it, you never have ice or compact snow.

The snow piles at the bottom were great for making forts and tunneling, but my parents were right to tell me not to play in them, because cars could slide and crash into them. I did it anyways.

[quasi]

1. No driving/walking on it until everything was done. Even parking on the street until it was finished, in order to avoid compacting snow.
2. Shovel side to side rather than down, so any remaining snow is grooved perpendicular for better grip.
3. Sweep whatever is left after shoveling with a straw broom to get snow the shovel can't pick up, or any footprints.
4. Give a good sprinkling of kitty litter on the areas most likely to be driven or walked on.


Have a super hilly driveway and can confirm this is so important.

[StylinRed]

^ Painful read. Not sure why the paragraphs and quotes in the article were repeated like three times in that.

So, what I gather from that is that you won't be liable if someone (random) slips and falls on the sidewalks. But, still open to interpretation if your actual next door neighbour slips and falls and sues.

Only to ppl that are expected to come to your home, so that means your driveway/path to your door has to be shovelled and even then your duty is only to those who you know will be coming to your home (friends family delivery men etc)

[danned]

Toronto boy goes viral after hilarious reaction to shovelling

https://www.reddit.com/r/HumansBeingBros/comments/s76z4n/one_of_my_favourite_kids_was_on_the_news_tonight/

[Oshiguru]

Toronto boy goes viral after hilarious reaction to shovelling

https://www.reddit.com/r/HumansBeingBros/comments/s76z4n/one_of_my_favourite_kids_was_on_the_news_tonight/

The best part is where they normally put their profession/info about them they just put exhausted

https://i.imgur.com/5pPOtYv.png

A follow up report made it show: :lawl:
https://i.imgur.com/l2Htrer.png

Then the plate under his mom during the interview:
https://i.imgur.com/nhODWxe.png

[teggy604]

The best part is where they normally put their profession/info about them they just put exhausted

https://i.imgur.com/5pPOtYv.png

A follow up report made it show: :lawl:
https://i.imgur.com/l2Htrer.png

Then the plate under his mom during the interview:
https://i.imgur.com/nhODWxe.png

Pretty much sums up Gen Alpha. lol

[whitev70r]

Some is suppose to be coming tomorrow morning ... maybe up to 5 cm.

Take your chances with the Alex Fraser and the Port Mann.

[european]

Currently lightly snowing in Guildford

[AzNightmare]

Light snow in Burnaby. It doesn't seem to be sticking, but hopefully people still have their winter tires on, lol.

[tegra7]

Was looking forward to testing out my new snow thrower.

[AzNightmare]

lol. it's snowing.

Hope you still have your winter tires on.

[chipmunk604]

lol. it's snowing.

Hope you still have your winter tires on.

nope, took mine off 2 weeks ago

[Klondike]

Was looking forward to testing out my new snow thrower.

I bought a cordless snow shovel from Lowes 2 years ago. Came in clutch for this year's snowmageddon.

lol. it's snowing.

Hope you still have your winter tires on.

Every time it warms up past 10 degrees, I consider throwing on my Summers, then the weather does a 180. :lol

[AzNightmare]

nope, took mine off 2 weeks ago

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9a/89/c2/9a89c2a75b7b8db4b14ddb69fddc5ba7.jpg

[danned]

let it snow let it snowa

[whitev70r]

Nothing much will come out of this ...I don't think.

[EvoFire]

Man the traffic was a shit show this morning trying to do daycare dropoff. Boy am I glad WFH is a thing and I don't have to drive all the way to DT.

[snowball]

Man the traffic was a shit show this morning trying to do daycare dropoff. Boy am I glad WFH is a thing and I don't have to drive all the way to DT.

Black ice everywhere this morning in the most random places. Renfrew from 29th to 1st ave was ABS galore.

[whitev70r]

Anyone seeing any white stuff ... maybe up at Westwood Plateau?

Or slush falling on your windshield at Port Mann? Alex Fraser?

[punkwax]

Slushy snowflakes in Langley and south surrey today.

[whitev70r]

Woe ... wet snow south Van!

[BIC_BAWS]

Snow was great up on Cypress. There was a guy with his family up in the lots with a 4Runner TRD Pro doing outdoor hot pot with his toddler and wife. Pretty awesome! Even more so that after he packed everything up, he joined the tandem of people doing donuts.

Cool af Dad!

[MG1]

In Bellingham atm. Snowed pretty hard for like 20 minutes. Started after I got back to car at Trader Joe’s. Was sticking, too. Now, nothing. Damn, I love snow. If it’s going to snow, let there be like a foot of it. None of this half baked crap.

And yes, purchased $30 worth of Powerball tickets, lol. If I win the big one everybody on RS gets free gas for a month. EV owners, you outta luck. Okay, for a year. Jackpot must be at 2 billion by now. As a Canadian, can claim taxes back, iirc.

[320icar]

What time was this? They still close down cypress at night?

[BIC_BAWS]

What time was this? They still close down cypress at night?

This was around 3-4. And yes, I think it's been closed all summer at night.. to keep em hoonigans out :(

[danned]

snowing now

[Badhobz]

This is crazy. Montreal was like 15 degrees C last few days and we got snow in Vancouver. Global warming is seriously weird.

[whitev70r]

It was 15-20C in Toronto as well these last few days!

Snow on tree branches but nothing on the roads here in South Van.

[supafamous]

Between the drought conditions, the heavy rain and now winter's arrival I might go 9 months without mowing my lawn (last mow was in mid-July). That's crazy.

[CivicBlues]

3 weeks ago we were in short and t-shirts FFS! Year without an Autumn?

[tofu1413]

Autumn never entered the chat. we went straight to winter this year.

[westopher]

I love it. Car season until November, snowboard season starts 3 weeks later. None of that boring can’t do anything rain shit season maybe.

[whitev70r]

And yes, purchased $30 worth of Powerball tickets, lol. If I win the big one everybody on RS gets free gas for a month. EV owners, you outta luck. Okay, for a year. Jackpot must be at 2 billion by now. As a Canadian, can claim taxes back, iirc.

Boo ... winner from California, no free tank of gas from MG1!

[MG1]

Boo ... winner from California, no free tank of gas for a year from MG1!

fixt

[underscore]

We had the same here, most of the trees still have all their leaves and got trashed.

[nismodrifter]

Cool temps with sun for the week ahead. This I can enjoy.

[320icar]

Prime turbo weather

[EvoFire]

Prime turbo weather

So true, even my X3 is super happy in this weather.

[68style]

I haven't taken it out in awhile, but my MR2 would regularly hit boost cut in this type of air and I'd have to pull over and re-start it cuz it went into limp mode lol

[quasi]

Cool temps with sun for the week ahead. This I can enjoy.

Hate the cold, hate rain more so as long as it doesn't rain tomorrow for my sons football playoff game I'll be happy.

Lol, sitting in my office with a space heater 16 inches from me blowing right on me all day long. Give me heat haha.

https://i.ibb.co/V96vwNC/20221110-112154.jpg (https://ibb.co/pwq3hPK)

[StylinRed]

I'm here in Australia to escape our fall/winter... Sydney was nice, but here in Melbourne its been rainy and tonight its 5°c heard some parts of the state had snow. Wth

[whitev70r]

It's coming baby .. meterologists are hyping it up so that usually means that it will be a wimper of a snow storm.

All the banter and discussion on the snow tires thread will get real life test.

[Hondaracer]

I'm here in Australia to escape our fall/winter... Sydney was nice, but here in Melbourne its been rainy and tonight its 5°c heard some parts of the state had snow. Wth

A balmy 24 degrees in the algarve.. still swimming in the ocean here :troll:

https://i.imgur.com/dq2ynht.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/OaYV5yS.jpg

Just worried about my pipes freezing back home..

[pastarocket]

https://weather.gc.ca/warnings/report_e.html?bc42#231248720555847796202211280502w w1171cwvr

Significant snowfall accumulations expected. :considered:

When: Late this afternoon through Wednesday morning for Metro Vancouver and Abbotsford.

Late this afternoon through Wednesday for Fraser Valley east of Abbotsford.

Hazards: Heavy snow. Snow transitioning to rain early Wednesday morning resulting in difficult driving conditions.

Strong southwest wind gusts 40 to 70 km/h may cause snow-covered tree branches to break Wednesday morning.

Remarks: A strong low pressure system is approaching Vancouver Island today. This will bring significant snowfall from late afternoon to early Wednesday morning. Snow will transition to rain or taper off to a few showers or flurries early Wednesday morning for Metro Vancouver and Abbotsford. For Fraser Valley east of Abbotsford, snow will taper off Wednesday evening.

Snowfall accumulations will vary across the Lower Mainland. The heaviest snowfall is expected in North Vancouver, Coquitlam, and Maple Ridge, with 10 to 20 cm expected, except 25 cm over higher terrain. For the city of Vancouver, Burnaby, New Westminster, Surrey, Langley, and Abbotsford, 10 to 15 cm of snow is expected. For Richmond and Delta, 5 to 10 cm of snow is expected.

For Chilliwack and Hope, 20 to 25 cm of snow is expected from this evening to Wednesday evening.

[MG1]

Significant = half inch of snow and multiple car accidents.

[nismodrifter]

Significant = half inch of snow and multiple car accidents.

yep.

[whitev70r]

Already heard on the news on my way into work ... be aware that Port Mann and Alex Fraser might close this afternoon to prevent snow bombs. Every year that this comes up, I think of the gift that keeps on giving ... FFS!! I mean close 2 major bridges because it started snowing ... I don't know where to begin.

[westopher]

Lol. Imagine building a billion dollar bridge in Canada, and making it incapable of handling 1.5cm of snow without causing traffic catastrophe and not being held accountable in some way as the builder, engineer, etc. but if someone doesn't like their sandwich they demand it for free.

[Teriyaki]

Already heard on the news on my way into work ... be aware that Port Mann and Alex Fraser might close this afternoon to prevent snow bombs. Every year that this comes up, I think of the gift that keeps on giving ... FFS!! I mean close 2 major bridges because it started snowing ... I don't know where to begin.

I always wonder how/if that proposed and then cancelled Massey Tunnel Replacement Bridge would have been done and if they would be suffering from the same fatal design issues.

[HonestTea]

Up to 25 cm, that's quite a bit!

[MG1]

Maybe this time, the forecast will be right.................... btw, I love snow.

[teggy604]

Significant = half inch of snow and multiple car accidents.

Yvr cancel some flights. East coast probably laughing at us. Half foot of snow lol.
Also heard over the radio, 47 percent of vancouverites are not prepared for winter.

[Gumby]

Yeah we're pretty pathetic when it comes to snow, but to be fair, the East coast budget for snow removal is massive compared to ours and they simply have so much more experience dealing with it.

[AzNightmare]

Saw a bit of very tiny flakes earlier in Burnaby, but it stopped now.
Hard to tell it even snowed yet.

[SSM_DC5]

Yvr cancel some flights. East coast probably laughing at us. Half foot of snow lol.
Also heard over the radio, 47 percent of vancouverites are not prepared for winter.

Did the radio go on to say what "prepared for winter" even entails?
The statement with no context is pretty meaningless.

[teggy604]

^^ they used example like snow shovel, salt, winter tires, extra clothing in back of car.

[320icar]

I don’t even need to think about it, I’d say that yes most people are not prepared for winter. A way to stay warm and cook with no electricity, a store of food and water, salt, shovels, etc etc.

From the way people were fighting each other and taking BUCKETS of salt the other year, yeah I doubt more than half are prepared.

[roastpuff]

Sticking in north Burnaby, 3-5cm

[ImportPsycho]

flights cancelled
ferries cancelled

what is wrong with this province ROFL

[Zedbra]

Been lightly snowing in Squamish since 10am, now it is coming down pretty steady and there are 3" on the ground already. Expecting 12" tonight and another 5" tomorrow.

[Great68]

flights cancelled
ferries cancelled

what is wrong with this province ROFL

90km/h winds. Planes and boats don't work too well in that. Although my car shelter is trying really hard to take flight right now

[RiceIntegraRS]

Well that was fun. Im not gonna lie this snow storm took me by surprise. Im glad my truck is more than capable in it. Alot of the cars i saw on the road were not.....

[whitev70r]

Shitshow on the road ... cars left everywhere.

[GLOW]

Well that was fun. Im not gonna lie this snow storm took me by surprise. Im glad my truck is more than capable in it. Alot of the cars i saw on the road were not.....

don't said cars block your path anyways?

[Badhobz]

Sweet!!! This looks fun. Must try when I come back. I love snow !!!!

[RiceIntegraRS]

don't said cars block your path anyways?

On the main roads yes, but i guess its somewhat of a blessing, stopped me from driving like im invincible out there

[EvoFire]

So my DWS06+ after a full year of racing c lais, are kind of bad in this icy snow.

Doesn't help that there's a layer of ice under the snow at every intersection.

[Manic!]

Snowing hard in Nanaimo with lots of wind. Power went on and off 5 times in a 10 minute period. It's now been down for over a hour. I have never seen it go on and off like that. Off fir 30 seconds then on for a minute then off again.

[AzNightmare]

Fuck you and your stuck vehicles, especially your fuckers with unprepared rwd cars.

Shouldn't take me 1+ hr to get home when I literally work 2.7km from work. Actually I'm not even home yet. I'm literally trapped. Yeah I'm using my phone in traffic that is literally not even moving after 7 green/red light cycles. Fuck this.

/rant

[RCubed]

Fuck you and your stuck vehicles, especially your fuckers with unprepared rwd cars.

Shouldn't take me 1+ hr to get home when I literally work 2.7km from work. Actually I'm not even home yet. I'm literally trapped. Yeah I'm using my phone in traffic that is literally not even moving after 7 green/red light cycles. Fuck this.

/rant

I had to get out and direct a idiot to move around a stuck vehicle. She was too scared to go around holding up willingdon south for a good 30 mins.

[Bouncing Bettys]

https://twitter.com/AM730Traffic/status/1597788713442054144
Recently I replaced my 09 Corolla with a similar 2011, after a rear-ending write off accident (I was hit at a red light). I've got a fresh set of Michelin winter tires on it. Before this, I had never owned a vehicle with traction and vehicle stability control. I don't know what role they play compared to the tires, but this car drives completely different in these conditions. Its like night and day compared to the old car. From constant white knuckle driving on past their prime studded winters, to having fun and hunting for challenging roads with the new tires. I missed having fun driving in the snow.

[whitev70r]

WTH?

https://twitter.com/CityNewsTraffic/status/1597733360306356225

[AzNightmare]

I had to get out and direct a idiot to move around a stuck vehicle. She was too scared to go around holding up willingdon south for a good 30 mins.

LOL, I was on Willingdon. But by BCIT area

[Presto]

https://twitter.com/AM730Traffic/status/1597788713442054144
Recently I replaced my 09 Corolla with a similar 2011, after a rear-ending write off accident (I was hit at a red light). I've got a fresh set of Michelin winter tires on it. Before this, I had never owned a vehicle with traction and vehicle stability control. I don't know what role they play compared to the tires, but this car drives completely different in these conditions. Its like night and day compared to the old car. From constant white knuckle driving on past their prime studded winters, to having fun and hunting for challenging roads with the new tires. I missed having fun driving in the snow.

VSC and traction control are hax. Once you know how they operate, it gets really fun to exploit them. Especially, in the snow.

[PeanutButter]

VSC and traction control are hax. Once you know how they operate, it gets really fun to exploit them. Especially, in the snow.

do all newer cars have this VSC and traction control?

[GS8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aEI0HEvgEQ&ab_channel=MrBNKing

[Hehe]

do all newer cars have this VSC and traction control?

Pretty much in one form or another.

[Presto]

do all newer cars have this VSC and traction control?

Mid 2000's, it seemed like an option. I think post-2010s, it became more standard. However, the economy lines usually got the earlier generation versions of those safety features.

[BIC_BAWS]

I haven't read thread but I'll give you guys a tl;dr of my 7 hours and counting commute. Some of you may have seen my live updates on WhatsApp lol

Left work at 3:30pm - Bridgeport area in Richmond
Took River road to Westminster
Stuck on the Westminster to 91S merge at 4:20pm

Continued to be stuck in the same spot until 8:20ish.

Moved incrementally by a few car lengths every hour.

I'm not even at the end of the merge yet and it's been over 7 hours since I left work.

I'm only 3km away from home but I haven't even got on the Alex Fraser yet - which is closed. Btw there are no exits from Westminster off ramp and on.

[Gerbs]

How'd you pee

[JSALES]

This was my commute coming from the airport. It took me almost an hour just to reach the Arthur Laing bridge because of these cars stuck on the road. My 30 minute drive home took me over an hour and a half.

https://youtu.be/QjpnQ4byDdE

[whitev70r]

https://twitter.com/KarmSumal/status/1597794506925121538

[Teriyaki]

Godspeed to those still stuck on the roads. Managed to get around town just fine, had to cross the Oak street bridge twice with zero incidents.

Managed to see a jack-knifed bendy bus on broadway completely shutting down traffic. They also closed off the off-ramps pre-emptively it seems both southbound and northbound off the Oak street bridge.

[underscore]

VSC and traction control are hax. Once you know how they operate, it gets really fun to exploit them. Especially, in the snow.

You leave them on?

[RiceIntegraRS]

On my old IS250 AWD, i always had to do the stupid pedal dance for me to turn it off in the snow. But once it was off, it was like a snow mobile

[Razor Ramon HG]

https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/eocst8/tifu_by_shitting_in_my_car_in_full_view_of_30/?sort=new

Classic stuck in the snow and had to take a shit post from two years ago

Almost happened to my friend today, he was stuck in traffic going back to Richmond from Marine for a bit over 3 hours

My other friend said it took his friend almost 7 hours to get to New West from Downtown, lol

[Razor Ramon HG]

I haven't read thread but I'll give you guys a tl;dr of my 7 hours and counting commute. Some of you may have seen my live updates on WhatsApp lol

Left work at 3:30pm - Bridgeport area in Richmond
Took River road to Westminster
Stuck on the Westminster to 91S merge at 4:20pm

Continued to be stuck in the same spot until 8:20ish.

Moved incrementally by a few car lengths every hour.

I'm not even at the end of the merge yet and it's been over 7 hours since I left work.

I'm only 3km away from home but I haven't even got on the Alex Fraser yet - which is closed. Btw there are no exits from Westminster off ramp and on.

Hope you got home safe.

I read QB had a bus end up in a ditch blocking traffic both ways. I think it's cleared now. Alex Fraser still looks like a parking lot.

Feel bad for a lot of folks in the suburbs a bit to the east.

[BIC_BAWS]

Unfortunately... I'm still here. I'm cold and hungry lol. Nicotine isn't cutting it anymore.

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[Bouncing Bettys]

^edit: Geez. Are you moving at all? Can you sleep in shifts, waking to warm the car periodically, in order to make the time pass a little easier?

Reading on reddit it sounds like a number of people are still stuck out there without supplies.

It's hard to believe we were enjoying a late summer with temperatures in the mid 20s just over a month ago. I could see that sudden shift in weather contributing in oart to a lack of preparedness. We didn't have an "atmospheric river" like last year, much less a sustained rainfall. For example, my red light crash mentioned above occured on that first day we had heavy rain after that late heat wave. Slick roads from oils/fluids accumulating, a bit of a relearning-curve to drive the conditions, and the chances for accidents increase.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Unfortunately... I'm still here. I'm cold and hungry lol. Nicotine isn't cutting it anymore.

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Holy fuck thats crazy.

[supafamous]

Worst shit show on the roads in the past how many years? Last year had way more snow and never got this bad. Can't remember a year where bridges became parking lots for this long.

[radeonboy]

This was my commute coming from the airport. It took me almost an hour just to reach the Arthur Laing bridge because of these cars stuck on the road. My 30 minute drive home took me over an hour and a half.

https://youtu.be/QjpnQ4byDdE

Oh hey that Mini Cooper was next to me when it started sliding it’s way up the slope - I guess the car couldn’t make it…

Wonder how long this will take to clear up…for some people their next shift will probably start before they get home at this rate.

[Badhobz]

Most of these idiots who jack knifed should know better. I can’t believe they would be that oblivious to their own car’s winter capabilities. If you got bald ass tires just stay the fuck home, call in sick from work, and or call a cab.

Ya murdering people like bic baws here.

Worst shit show on the roads in the past how many years? Last year had way more snow and never got this bad. Can't remember a year where bridges became parking lots for this long.

I wonder if it’s because the 2+ years of pandemic these people all didn’t bother to replace their tires and now you got a bunch of wackos driving around with pre 2019 bald ass tires.

[Hondaracer]

Lol all I’ve really got is my security cameras to look at but there’s barely any fucking snow!! Lol

My buddy came back from Pemberton, said 3 hours to get from the Cassiar Tunnel to the port man..

[BIC_BAWS]

Almost at the bottom of the bridge now it's been 11 hours

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[BIC_BAWS]

After 11 hours and 15 mins - I'm finally home.

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[StylinRed]

Holy fk sounds like I missed quite the dump! I'm in Vietnam and it's 29°c :D

[Badhobz]

The only snow I’ve seen around cancun is the piles of white powder.

[whitev70r]

Holy fk sounds like I missed quite the dump! I'm in Vietnam and it's 29°c :D

Snow really wasn't that bad, it's a bad convergence of trucks jackknifing on bridges, both northbound and southbound and idiots spinning out at crucial traffic corridors.

Everything in Vancouver is pretty well melted now.

[pastarocket]

Talk about drivers not being prepared for the snow.

This bus driver is like a bowling ball hitting pins.

Better safe than Surrey. :lawl:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CllsRj1rk4b/?igshid=Nzg3NjI1NGI=


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[whitev70r]

Reports that people were stuck till 6:00 am this morning.

This one !!

https://twitter.com/sophiaphotos/status/1597967551891673088

[sonick]

Jesus I lucked out. Just back from a month long trip in Asia where, as Stylinred mentioned, was 29 deg and sunny all day, to -2 degrees.

Landed at around 11am, cabbie I got was a pro and booked it to my place in Coquitlam in record time. 30 mins after I get home it started snowing.

I would have been miserable if my flight was a few hours later and was not able to get home for hours after that flight, let alone with luggage and the taxi bill.

[fsy82]

My wife was stuck in traffic for 7 hours. She goes most of the issues were the trucks jack knifing and many people seemed did get their cars winterized. Nonetheless the City of Surrey knew this was coming but also were not prepared.

Also the Surrey school district decided it will be open today when so many people were delayed getting home.

[ImportPsycho]

hey at least these two are having fun, snow fighting in the middle of the road.
snow turns even the grown ass men into kids,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uskdaQ6GQ7I&t=1s

[unit]

yesterday i ordered a pizza before i left work and headed towards the patullo bridge where the pizza place is, i went about 50m in 20mins, then about 200m in an hour, decided to abandon my pizza and head to the port mann.

almost no traffic until a certain bottleneck where cars werent moving at all. the only way around was a steep as neighborhood hill with fresh snow. my forester with A/T tires went up with no drama at all and i managed to basically circle around all the traffic. once i completed the loop to get back to the main road, there were zero cars around me, everyone was just stuck in a bottleneck where there were presumably some blockages due to cars being stuck.

i even drove all the way to the port mann and barely saw another car going my direction. on the bridge itself there was just one car facing the wrong way that i passed and again almost no other cars there, everyone was stuck just trying to get to the bridge, nobody was actually on it.

it was nice having the right car and tires for the job, it probably saved me at least 2-3 hours of driving yesterday. it took me almost an hour to decide to turn around before the patullo, then once i headed for the port mann i got home in burquitlam in just 40 mins.

another big positive was i called the pizza place when i got home to ask if they could freeze my pizza for me and they said they totally missed my order and never made it, so i got refunded!

[MG1]

Was listening to Nat and Drew on Move Radio this morning. Callers had all kinds of interesting stories. One I thought was useful, was when you have to go take a dump or a leak, open both doors and and go in between said doors and do your thing.

What interested me more, was when Nat mentioned the time she saw this young lady in a blue sequinned dress doing it in front of her car................. reminds me of Operation Revnose night - hot chick in shiny blue, super tight, dress prancing across the street. Me being a nice guy letting her cross so she could catch the skytrain. Her smiling and waving thanks (engrained in my memory forever). That was the night I decided to get a dashcam, because nobody on RS would believe me (Pics or it didn't happen). Gulolol.

[whitev70r]

hey at least these two are having fun, snow fighting in the middle of the road.
snow turns even the grown ass men into kids,


Hilarious! Shoulda just kept it at a snowball fight but no, one of the guys (the punk) had to get a frickin paint roller. The lady who intervened meant well but should have let the guy on the bottom tap out ... early stoppage if you asked me. Should have made him eat some yellow snow for ruining man's nice winter jacket with white paint. Instant classic!

[hud 91gt]

I drove home from the airport to Poco at 11pm last night. All major arteries bumper to bumper. I took side roads and got in 80 minutes. I feel like I got off easy. Haha. Never seen it so busy at midnight. Highways looked insane.

[Badhobz]

Who carries a loaded paint roller in their car ?!?!?

[sonick]

Also, now that I am out of Richmond where there are actual hills, I got crampons for the first time (the rubber spikes that strap onto your boots), and they are game changers.

Highly recommended if people were considering them.

Feels like winter tires for my feet :lawl:

[SumAznGuy]

Also, now that I am out of Richmond where there are actual hills, I got crampons for the first time (the rubber spikes that strap onto your boots), and they are game changers.

Highly recommended if people were considering them.

Feels like winter tires for my feet :lawl:

My wife swears by them. She got them from Costco for like $10 and a higher end set for when she goes running.

[nismodrifter]

This AM I came to work without issue. Opened my door to step out. Foot went down and I went flying. Managed to grab my door as I was falling. While trying to get up my feet were flying around like on the cartoons on black ice. This is with proper winter boots. Time for those cramp ons lol.

[Gumby]

Even an aircraft got stuck in grass at YVR yesterday:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FizhqIPaUAEsnYw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[rb]

* Eva air to tower: it's okay, i've got all-seasons

[westopher]

Who carries a loaded paint roller in their car ?!?!?
This is canadas version of the ar-15
“Hey fuckin guy ya ruined my cawnawdaw gooooose jacket eh?!”

[mikemhg]

To the folks who recommended those CrossClimate 2's, big thank you.

Those things saved our asses last night.

We drove back from Portland and crossed the border in Cloverdale around 7PM, Google Maps proceed to take us through a literal gauntlet of snowy backroads to get back to Burnaby, I literally had no idea where we were at some parts, going down farm roads, jumping from highway to highway. We eventually came out off 92 Ave onto Pacific HWY and saw the utter chaos on the hill, people stuck everywhere just below where we came out.

We lucked out and kept the momentum, rolled down 92 and ended up passing everyone on the shoulder making it onto Hwy 1 and eventually back to Burnaby. Took about 2 hours all in from the border to Burnaby.

Should've recorded it all, was a crazy journey back.

How are people so stupid driving in this shit? I can't count how many people I watched coming to a full stop on hills, even on side streets by themselves, and then getting stuck.

Was absolutely insane to watch.

[320icar]

Even at 1am I couldn’t get through the Massey tunnel, not even close. Slept in my parents visitor parking Richmond side until they finally got home at 3am from their new west gridlock bullshit.

Unacceptable for a Canadian city that should expect snow. But I’m sure our tax dollars will pay for more ugly modern art and million dollar painted crosswalks

[tofu1413]

Left work at 5PM sharp.

Got home just after midnight. smh.

complete clogged artery on HWY all the way to the bridge deck. the roads were essentially a sheet of ice with no prior preparation whatsoever.

clear sailing right after midspan, with a few stranded cars still trying to make its way up the cut after the port mann... and watched a new BRZ stranded AF on that cut on stock tires... like damn people. stay put if you're not confident or equipped for the weather.

[StylinRed]

There was ample warning for everyone to prepare for this, but sounds like no one did, typical

[Razor Ramon HG]

I think a lot of people just saw that the weather was fine and drove to work, despite weather report saying it would start snowing in the late morning/afternoon. Then it started coming down hard as rush hour started so plows couldn't get through to anyone.

If it snowed overnight, I think most people would've just stayed home, but a lot of people probably just thought they could beat the traffic if it did start snowing, which obviously didn't work out.

Not to mention the amount of retards out there on their shitty stock all-seasons causing all the congestion. Even if you planned everything to a T, you can't possibly rely on the other people out there to not fuck you over.

[SumAznGuy]

I think a lot of people just saw that the weather was fine and drove to work, despite weather report saying it would start snowing in the late morning/afternoon. Then it started coming down hard as rush hour started so plows couldn't get through to anyone.

If it snowed overnight, I think most people would've just stayed home, but a lot of people probably just thought they could beat the traffic if it did start snowing, which obviously didn't work out.

Reminds me of a snow fall back in the late 2000's. I recall it was a Wednesday when it snowed and there was no warning. It just snowed and traffic was hell going home that day. None of the plows were out, no one had snow tires on.

[Hondaracer]

If you have decent all seasons in a FWD car you should not be getting fucking stuck everywhere and slamming into people over 3” of snow ffs man..

Like I think this just highlights not how unprepared people are, but just how completely shit people are at driving. With a FWD you can basically feel your way along in most cases if you have tires with any sort of traction imo

[tofu1413]

lots of abandoned cars - either stuck or out of fuel on east bound on 1.

the wildest moment was while stuck infront of IKEA , a corolla hatch heading west bound smoked the center meridian while on the HOV (I was on HOV east bound). Saw it happen and clearly people didnt adjust their driving to the climate. At the time, both west and east bounds were unplowed.

also tailed a SN95 mustang buddy that was using HOV while he was alone.. got stuck right after gaglardi skidding everywhere... roll past him, saw his rear tires - super old winters... gave me a glare and direct eye contact as I moved by him on the right...

and icing on the cake, lady driving a newer chrysler 200 infront of me... jumped out of her car, dropped her pants, did an immediate squat and did probably the longest public relief ever...... steam and all.

holy crap that was a rodeo and a half last night.

[nismodrifter]

steam and all LOL

[tofu1413]

^ ngl. it was alotta steam coming off the road surface.

[quasi]

Some of your horror stories, fuck glad I'm not commuting.

My wife comes home from work last night and is like I have plans to go out with my friend for dinner and then we're going to a class. I'm like huh, it's kind of slippery out there no? She's like, yeah well we have plans and she's picking me up. I'm like I really wouldn't recommend it, she gave me that look then I was like but do what you like.

Long story short, friend got stuck on way to get the wife I laughed and was like I love you but sometimes you're so dumb, what do you want to watch?

[pastarocket]

-really thankful that I put winter tires on my car in early November.

The only wild moment of the snowfall was when wifey and I were driving home from dinner at a nearby restaurant.

This idiot driving a big dark green van decided to make a U TURN on Nanaimo street between east 5th and 6th in east Van. The van was on the opposite side of us on Nanaimo as we were heading home.

Of course, the dumbass driver loses control of his van after trying to do a fast U turn. His van does three fast spins on Nanaimo street. Talk about doing donuts in the snow. :lawl:

Fortunately, that idiot did not cause an accident as all traffic on that part of Nanaimo street stopped. Everyone watched this van driver entertaining people with his dangerous drifting haha.


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[JSALES]

I’m on all seasons in a FWD vehicle and I managed fine yesterday. I did see some entitled assholes in their truck/suv drive over on the shoulder lane to pass everyone to get to the front of merge lane. Makes me consider buying a 4WD vehicle

[Acura604]

so how many 'EV's ran out of juice while sitting in 8hrs of traffic?

[teggy604]

^^plus using the heat. At least with gas car you can recover it right away. With EV your calling a tow truck, and they were probably swamp with calls.

[whitev70r]

Car collision repair industry says, 'Thank you Mother Nature!'

[westopher]

If you have decent all seasons in a FWD car you should not be getting fucking stuck everywhere and slamming into people over 3” of snow ffs man..

Like I think this just highlights not how unprepared people are, but just how completely shit people are at driving. With a FWD you can basically feel your way along in most cases if you have tires with any sort of traction imo

Even in RWD cars with ok all seasons you have to be basically brain dead to do as badly as people did.
The amount of “turn the wheels to full lock and mash the gas” I saw people doing to get unstuck was fuckin incredible

[SumAznGuy]

so how many 'EV's ran out of juice while sitting in 8hrs of traffic?

That's only if they had the heater blasting during that 8 hrs. No different than a gas car with the motor running for 8 hrs.

My 240km range Leaf left started with 97% charge.
Was down to 95% after running the heater to warm the cabin while I cleared all the snow off.

Left the house in Pitt Meadows around 5:30 and made it to 8 rinks before 7 with a few stops in between, was down to 53% charge and that was with the heat blowing the whole time.
Made it home with 20% charge.

Good thing I was using google maps and avoided all the bad traffic spots.

[BIC_BAWS]

lots of abandoned cars - either stuck or out of fuel on east bound on 1.

the wildest moment was while stuck infront of IKEA , a corolla hatch heading west bound smoked the center meridian while on the HOV (I was on HOV east bound). Saw it happen and clearly people didnt adjust their driving to the climate. At the time, both west and east bounds were unplowed.

also tailed a SN95 mustang buddy that was using HOV while he was alone.. got stuck right after gaglardi skidding everywhere... roll past him, saw his rear tires - super old winters... gave me a glare and direct eye contact as I moved by him on the right...

and icing on the cake, lady driving a newer chrysler 200 infront of me... jumped out of her car, dropped her pants, did an immediate squat and did probably the longest public relief ever...... steam and all.

holy crap that was a rodeo and a half last night.

This sounds a lot more entertaining than my night. I think our journey was a solid piece of entertainment for a lot of people.

I think most of the unprepared cars were on Hwy 1 not on 91/Alex Fraser. That said it's a little hard to judge how prepared people are when we're parked for like 10 hours lol.

Most of the bullshit that I saw came from Hyundai's with "no farmers no food" stickers who were tailgating, cutting people off, just to get stuck in the same parking lot.

- There was a Hyundai SUV, probably all seasons skidding everywhere on the connector. A newer gen mustang, that sounded like it had marbles rattling in a tincan, pulled off to take a rest and proceeded to get stuck in the snow.
- Two Model 3's , a pedo panel van, a box truck, several civics, a TRD Celica, and a surrey spec G37 were ditched at the side of the road / emergency stop area. Good on them tbh.
- There was a 10th gen civic and a Prius ditched in the middle lane on 91 by the Westminster overpass. A caravan and other american car ditched in the middle of the Alex Fraser.
- A semi truck was jackknifed and spinning trying to get out on the bend before the bridge. Granted he was probably stuck because the 9th gen civic in front of him didn't have a driver in it LOL
- Several semi-trucks stuck on the Annacis Island on-ramp on the 91EB to New West side. A fuel tanker just gave up - he was probably stuck there since 8PM and he was still there when I crawled out of view at 2AM.

Started the evening with 75% tank. Ended with 50% tank.

[SumAznGuy]

^^plus using the heat. At least with gas car you can recover it right away. With EV your calling a tow truck, and they were probably swamp with calls.

Surprisingly, EV's use very little power when sitting stuck in traffic as long as you don't have the heater on, no different than a gas car.

I was SMRT and made sure my car was mostly charged up preparing for the snow.

[tofu1413]

It was a bit entertaining on hwy 1.

Buddy was swiping on tinder :lawl:


plusssssss we got the older Need For speed + Gran Turismo music going... so it wasn't that bad for entertainment :lawl:

[radeonboy]

^^plus using the heat. At least with gas car you can recover it right away. With EV your calling a tow truck, and they were probably swamp with calls.

My short range Soul EV did pretty alright - the heater drops the range a bit, but it'll take a long time before the heater will deplete the battery in a standstill based on what I was seeing. I think it can handle a 12-hour standstill at a comfortable temperature without a problem (not that I want to try).

[MarkyMark]

Surprisingly, EV's use very little power when sitting stuck in traffic as long as you don't have the heater on, no different than a gas car.


When you're stuck in traffic for 8 hours when it's cold as fuck out being able to leave the heat on the whole time is a big selling point to me

[tofu1413]

Car collision repair industry says, 'Thank you Mother Nature!'

every icbc accredited shop: But we are swamped and busy

https://i.imgflip.com/4svjf2.png

[Gumby]

The shops ARE busy. Got into accident Oct 19, but fortunately car was still somewhat drive-able. Shop told me to bring it in on Nov 22, and just got it back today.

[68style]

8 days including a weekend is not a busy turnaround time is it?

[hud 91gt]

Even an aircraft got stuck in grass at YVR yesterday:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FizhqIPaUAEsnYw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

I landed minutes after this happening. It’s a stupid ass corner, especially in a big airplane when the taxiway is covered in snow. Very poor design airport wise.

[68style]

Imagine the feeling of plowing while steering in a 777 lol

[GLOW]

airplane dorifto
:considered:

[whitev70r]

https://twitter.com/BenWilsonThings/status/1597934521475031040

[Badhobz]

That's only if they had the heater blasting during that 8 hrs. No different than a gas car with the motor running for 8 hrs.

My 240km range Leaf left started with 97% charge.
Was down to 95% after running the heater to warm the cabin while I cleared all the snow off.

Left the house in Pitt Meadows around 5:30 and made it to 8 rinks before 7 with a few stops in between, was down to 53% charge and that was with the heat blowing the whole time.
Made it home with 20% charge.

Good thing I was using google maps and avoided all the bad traffic spots.

I’d be a nervous fucking wreck with that range anxiety.
Hell id probably just ditch the car and walk if the highways were stuck like that.

[Gumby]

8 days including a weekend is not a busy turnaround time is it?
Sorry, to clarify I went to the shop on Oct 21 and they asked me to bring it back on Nov 22.

[SkinnyPupp]

Sounds crazy, my sister's coworker had to sleep at work because she couldn't get home!

[whitev70r]

Sounds crazy, my sister's coworker had to sleep at work because she couldn't get home!

I actually think that would have been a better option for many. Or do a DT hotel, it would be worth every penny. But no one knew that all the bridges and Hwys would be so effed.

[danned]

https://images.dailyhive.com/20221130120112/bus.jpg

[Vansterdam]

Ordered a shovel off Amazon and some traction aid for tires in case I ever get stuck, or see someone that needs help

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/certified-folding-steel-traction-aid-for-snow-ice-grass-mud-2-pk-0301108p.0301108.html


Also gonna keep a bunch of munchies in the whip too just in case lol

[pastarocket]

A co worker in Edmonton mentioned that their winters are much colder than what we experience here in the Lower Mainland.

How cold is it in Edmonton now? Minus 33C because of the wind chill. :lawl:


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[Badhobz]

https://images.dailyhive.com/20221130120112/bus.jpg

This image kills me. The look on that drivers face while having that big sorry sign is fucking hilarious

[westopher]

A co worker in Edmonton mentioned that their winters are much colder than what we experience here in the Lower Mainland.

How cold is it in Edmonton now? Minus 33C because of the wind chill. :lawl:


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That’s basically everywhere in canada other than southern BC. I know the old it’s not the heat it’s the humidity comment gets old, but it really feels way colder here at -5 than edmonton at -15.

[Hondaracer]

A Kamloops -15 sometimes feels warmer than a Vancouver 1 deg imo

[underscore]

Humidity and wind are the killers. I'll take a dry, calm -30 over a wet or windy -10.