[HonestTea]

Has anyone filed their normal taxes recently? Got your refund etc?

Yep, filed them in the beginning of March, got refund 2 weeks after.

[twitchyzero]

the clown-in-chief at CHO has been invited to Taiwan after pulling the race card

https://thehill.com/policy/international/asia-pacific/491957-tawian-rejects-who-chiefs-claims-in-racist-attacks

[whitev70r]

OK, what is the story on supply chain for TP? I went to three stores and the shelves are still bare ... I thought by now, they'd be restocked just like eggs, meat, etc.

For those who didn't hoard ... personal stock is reaching critical levels.

[T4RAWR]

OK, what is the story on supply chain for TP? I went to three stores and the shelves are still bare ... I thought by now, they'd be restocked just like eggs, meat, etc.

For those who didn't hoard ... personal stock is reaching critical levels.

Shoulda hoarded :troll:

On a serious note Costco seems to have a steady supply. Can order online :pokerface:

[Hondaracer]

Costco had lots when we went on Monday.

Fucking idiots around the piles though standing there debating one or two packages leaving others to reach around them etc. Oblivious morons

Edit* so just checked my order from artscow and nothing has been updated other than “payment good” in the status. I also am pretty much certain I selected fed ex shipping method and now my shipping method is saying regular air mail..

So maybe check if you’ve ordered from them.

[beatdownvictim]

I just got my artscow order, it was delayed 2 days from HK and there was duties to be paid..

[Ch28]

OK, what is the story on supply chain for TP? I went to three stores and the shelves are still bare ... I thought by now, they'd be restocked just like eggs, meat, etc.

For those who didn't hoard ... personal stock is reaching critical levels.

TP never goes bad, so it's one of those things that you could stock your entire garage with and will always be able to use it.

I think everyone is just being stupid about the whole situation and continually purchasing it whenever they're at the store and they see a supply of it.

[welfare]

As far as PPE goes I don't think I was wearing any mask till recently (like a week or a week and a half ago). I did wash more hands more often and use hand sanitizer as well. I was a bit skeptical about using mark early on (try it once in March and basically got schooled by a few people saying they don't protect anything and I should only wash my hands more often). Wasn't until April when I just say fuck it I am going to start wearing them whenever I go out and not just when I go to crowded place.


These are the kinds of public reactions you can expect when government officials blatantly lie to them about the effectiveness of masks, because they don't have adequate supplies.
Is it any wonder why a good percentage of the population would be confused?
honesty is the best policy.

[welfare]

Korea now reporting 'reactivation' of infected cases previously deemed recovered.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-09/coronavirus-may-reactivate-in-cured-patients-korean-cdc-says

The coronavirus may be “reactivating” in people who have been cured of the illness, according to Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

About 51 patients classed as having been cured in South Korea have tested positive again, the CDC said in a briefing on Monday. Rather than being infected again, the virus may have been reactivated in these people, given they tested positive again shortly after being released from quarantine, said Jeong Eun-kyeong, director-general of the Korean CDC.

“While we are putting more weight on reactivation as the possible cause, we are conducting a comprehensive study on this,” Jeong said. “There have been many cases when a patient during treatment will test negative one day and positive another.”

A patient is deemed fully recovered when two tests conducted with a 24-hour interval show negative results.

[Hondaracer]

I just got my artscow order, it was delayed 2 days from HK and there was duties to be paid..

When did you order and which shipping method?

[beatdownvictim]

Ordered on the weekend and fedex for the kn95

[mikemhg]

I might have caught CoVID19. Starting this evening I felt really tired and have a chill. Rested a few minutes took my temperature and is at 38. I am usually around 36.5. I don't have issue breathing , no cough, no running nose. Did another temperature test just now and sitting at 38.6. E-mail my doctor about it. The reason I am a bit worry is because the Wal Mart I frequently have an employee with CoVID19 but the Wal Mart decided not to close it, or let the public know till a reporter got a tip and ask them
Then they admitted it.
https://www.tricitynews.com/news/covid-19-case-confirmed-at-coquitlam-centre-walmart-1.24115267
So the Wal Mart in question is the one in Coquitlam centre, The infected employee haven't been to work since March 22. So if anyone been to that Wal Mart from March 22 till and is showing symptom please be careful.

Man that's rough, I hope your wife isn't mad about it.

Silver lining, maybe she'll leave you alone now.

[bcrdukes]

Silver lining, maybe she'll leave you alone now.

Savage :lol

[bcrdukes]

Better yet, tell your wife to get mad at COVID-19; Might scare it away.

Jokes aside (not really) get well soon.

[unit]

i always file my refund pretty much on the day that netfile goes online. with direct deposit i get my refund in under a week.

[winson604]

When did you order and which shipping method?

I ordered April 4th late at night. Just got the package today. It went from Hk to Memphis then up to Van. Paid $33 in duties which had to be done ahead of time, I got a call from Fedex on Tue regarding it.

[beatdownvictim]

I ordered April 4th late at night. Just got the package today. It went from Hk to Memphis then up to Van. Paid $33 in duties which had to be done ahead of time, I got a call from Fedex on Tue regarding it.


Lol i thought it was a spam call at first

[whitev70r]

Good story from Vancouver Sun -

COVID-19: Boy's donations keep hospital workers going | Vancouver Sun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DIVNUjKH8&list=PLqRRaOIZ10cWtpewPP-lsEfQCv2n3gMEe#action=share

[SSM_DC5]

Good story from Vancouver Sun -

COVID-19: Boy's donations keep hospital workers going | Vancouver Sun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DIVNUjKH8&list=PLqRRaOIZ10cWtpewPP-lsEfQCv2n3gMEe#action=share


Is that the same Kevin Yeung who was in the video about VI's saying the Skytrain is loud?

[Coren]

I ordered on artscow april 3rd (200 astm surgical masks) and received it yesterday (april 8th). no duties

[winson604]

Lol i thought it was a spam call at first

Same I was like wtf is this shit so hung up. Got a call again, hung up again lol.

[Mr.HappySilp]

2nd order of kn95 mask arrive from artscow. This time I order the cheaper version (5 mask in a bag) quality isn't as good the the more expensive one. I say don't cheap out and get the cheaper one coz is from a different manufacturer.

[Hondaracer]

Ffs If mine got shipped air mail gonna take forever

[ime2006]

https://youtu.be/rKqG3zN7N9k?t=121

SHAKE MY HEADDDDD BADLY...
This guy has to go.

[nsmb]

Ffs If mine got shipped air mail gonna take forever

I ordered mine on April 3, got an email with fedex's tracking number on April 6th, had them delivered April 8th. $32 in duty for the KN95 masks (2 boxes)

HK-> CHICAGO, IL -> MEMPHIS, TN ->VANCOUVER, BC

[Hondaracer]

If these events have proven anything it’s that these huge organizations like WHO etc. Are irreverent.

[Manic!]

People who don't believe planning a protest.

https://i.imgur.com/eNskKnf.jpg

[twitchyzero]

fema keeps redirecting supplies but does not provide any explantion of why or where they're being redirected :fuckthatshit:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-supplies/us-to-seize-exports-of-masks-and-gloves-amid-coronavirus-crisis-idUSKCN21Q30Q

If these events have proven anything it’s that these huge organizations like WHO etc. Are irreverent.

League of Nations/UN has never been relevant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyssinia_Crisis

and countries signing green initiatives, shake hands for a photo then going home to continue dumping shit in the ocean etc.

[Hondaracer]

I’ve got blasted in previous threads for saying the UN was irreverent so I didn’t mention them but I wholeheartedly agree.

[bcrdukes]

Is that the same Kevin Yeung who was in the video about VI's saying the Skytrain is loud?

It looks like him, and judging by the Porsche Cayenne he's driving, I'm pretty sure it's the same guy. I wonder if VPD VI'd him for pulling this off as well. :troll:

[twitchyzero]

the Chinese govt needs better puppets...Lam & Tedros making them look bad :ohgodwhy:

[SkinnyPupp]

The UN would still be relevant and useful if it was doing its intended purpose - to fight AGAINST tyrannical states that threaten world peace, instead of working WITH them and basically becoming a platform for them to influence the world.

https://twitter.com/UNWatch/status/1245891526892363776

Edit: Not just to single out China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China) but to show how awful the UN is, these countries were added to their human rights panel in January:

Venezuela (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Venezuela) (Maduro regime)
Mauritania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Mauritania)
Sudan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Sudan)
Libya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Libya)

[Jmac]

Fever is still high this morning around 39 with a headache. Throat started getting sore last night as well. No issue with breathing. Email work and basically said I am staying bed and won't be working today (even though I work from home) don't really have much energy.
Sorry to hear you’re not feeling well. Hopefully it’s not COVID, but you should call 8-1-1 to get assessed and get tested if they recommend it. I know you e-mailed your doctor but you should still call 8-1-1.

Feel better soon

[Amuse]

I ordered mine on April 3, got an email with fedex's tracking number on April 6th, had them delivered April 8th. $32 in duty for the KN95 masks (2 boxes)

HK-> CHICAGO, IL -> MEMPHIS, TN ->VANCOUVER, BC

My ASTM masks went the same route. Throw that Fedex packaging away ASAP. Don't even touch the packaging with your bare hands.

[danned]

the Chinese govt needs better puppets...Lam & Tedros making them look bad :ohgodwhy:

chinese govt needs more slave then puppets
:heckno:

[StylinRed]

https://youtu.be/rKqG3zN7N9k?t=121

SHAKE MY HEADDDDD BADLY...
This guy has to go.

They only dare mention Taiwan when it's to denigrate them, and he had the gall to tell trump to stop politicizing the pandemic :rukidding:

[GS8]

People are throwing their used PPE off their balconies in my building :fulloffuck:

And my building is around 30 floors :fulloffuck::fulloffuck::fulloffuck:

I feel like I'm living in a cartoon

[Mr.HappySilp]

Sorry to hear you’re not feeling well. Hopefully it’s not COVID, but you should call 8-1-1 to get assessed and get tested if they recommend it. I know you e-mailed your doctor but you should still call 8-1-1.

Feel better soon

Called 811 they recommended me to stay home for 10 days. Fever drop today so that's good. Maybe it was just a chill but going to stay home for 10 days just in case.

My ASTM masks went the same route. Throw that Fedex packaging away ASAP. Don't even touch the packaging with your bare hands.

Seems like https://www.artscow.com/masks have more options for KN95 know. There is another type that was out of stock but they have it now. Is not not individually packaged but Shelf Life: 3 Years so that might be a better buy?

[MG1]

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/10/federal-prisoner-says-he-likely-wont-survive-if-he-gets-covid-19/

Really? He wants to stay anonymous. Really? He's a violent offender with a long history. If he was in prison for a minor offence, I might have a little sympathy. This guy probably caused a lot of pain and anguish to numerous people and their families. He made a choice. It's bad enough worrying about a deadly virus, but having to worry about a repeat offender out on the streets? No sir............ I'm no, "Confess and we'll forgive." type. Explain it to the victims, this is okay. We don't even know what the particulars are as far as his past criminal activities.

The 44-year-old was sentenced in 1998 for 28 years for a number of offences including aggravated assault, assault causing bodily harm and forcible confinement. He was released to a halfway house in September of 2019, but he was sent back to prison following issues with staff at the home.

The parole board’s report makes no mention of the inmate’s health but does say he poses a risk to the community.


The Correctional Service of Canada says “it is committed to protecting the safety of staff, inmates, and the public in all of our operations.”



Also in the news..........

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2020/rcmp-role-enforcing-the-federal-quarantine-act

Violating or failing to comply with the Quarantine Act could have significant penalties, including fines and imprisonment. Maximum penalties include a fine of up to $750,000 and/or imprisonment for six months for failure to comply with this Order. Further, a person who causes a risk of imminent death or serious bodily harm to another person while willfully or recklessly contravening this Act or the regulations could be liable for a fine of up to $1,000,000 or imprisonment of up to three years, or to both.
There are people who are not self-quarantining for 14 days after they come back to Canada from abroad. I hope these people get nailed to the proverbial cross.

[Teriyaki]

If these events have proven anything it’s that these huge organizations like WHO etc. Are irreverent.

I’ve got blasted in previous threads for saying the UN was irreverent so I didn’t mention them but I wholeheartedly agree.

Sorry, I just had to scratch this grammar itch.
I believe the term is irrelevant, and not irreverent, unless maybe I have you misunderstood. That is all.

[MG1]

irreverent might work.............

adjective: irreverent
showing a lack of respect for people or things that are generally taken seriously.


Although, it wasn't used as an adjective.........was it? I'm so confused now. To think gives me a headache these days.

[Hondaracer]

Sorry, I just had to scratch this grammar itch.
I believe the term is irrelevant, and not irreverent, unless maybe I have you misunderstood. That is all.

Most likely an auto correct from my phone, can’t say I use irreverent too often lol

[quasi]

Called 811 they recommended me to stay home for 10 days. Fever drop today so that's good. Maybe it was just a chill but going to stay home for 10 days just in case.



Seems like https://www.artscow.com/masks have more options for KN95 know. There is another type that was out of stock but they have it now. Is not not individually packaged but Shelf Life: 3 Years so that might be a better buy?

If your fever picks up again call 811 again, the protocols are constantly changing and they are testing some people if the main symptom is Fever or so I hear from a pretty reliable source.

[quasi]

People who don't believe planning a protest.

https://i.imgur.com/eNskKnf.jpg

They should get put on a do not treat list if they actually get the Virus.

[Oscar_Binswood]

Also in the news..........

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2020/rcmp-role-enforcing-the-federal-quarantine-act

There are people who are not self-quarantining for 14 days after they come back to Canada from abroad. I hope these people get nailed to the proverbial cross.

Still waiting on details, but as of next week there will be a new integrated team of LMD police departments and CBSA to start enforcing this.

[Mr.HappySilp]

https://xsuit.com/pages/xmask
LOL just image if a bunch of people lining up at a bank or a market wearing this and speak like Bane.

[spoon.ek9]

reading random comments on IG and there are still Americans who think this is a "fake virus" and are trying to get their friends to see the "truth" :rukidding:

Almost 6000 have died in the last 3 days there. I can't understand why they don't think this is real or serious.

[JDMDreams]

^ uh becuh we make duh murica great again we da numba 1

[Hondaracer]

Really don’t know how much longer this is all sustainable in terms of social isolation etc.

A lot of people I know and work with etc. Are talking about trying to organize bbqs and whatnot and try to social distance there getting together with friends and family. It hasn’t really been too hard for me because the wife and I get along great even stuck with each other day after day but if you live in a small condo and you’re on your own I can really blame em.

They are going to have to figure something out in terms of going out but you must wear a mask etc. Because people are gonna start going out regardless

[Mr.HappySilp]

Really don’t know how much longer this is all sustainable in terms of social isolation etc.

A lot of people I know and work with etc. Are talking about trying to organize bbqs and whatnot and try to social distance there getting together with friends and family. It hasn’t really been too hard for me because the wife and I get along great even stuck with each other day after day but if you live in a small condo and you’re on your own I can really blame em.

They are going to have to figure something out in terms of going out but you must wear a mask etc. Because people are gonna start going out regardless

I know my parents is having a hard time with it already. They been to Costco, Superstore, Saves on a few times already for "grocery shopping" this week. Also they been to my place twice in the last 2 weeks to bring "grocery" to me and my wife....... They also been the parks but I let them know always wear your mask and wash your hands when you are out.

[GLOW]

People who don't believe planning a protest.

https://i.imgur.com/eNskKnf.jpg

the lady sharing it her expression is EleGiggle like she's trolling the world

[welfare]

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/10/federal-prisoner-says-he-likely-wont-survive-if-he-gets-covid-19/

Really? He wants to stay anonymous. Really? He's a violent offender with a long history. If he was in prison for a minor offence, I might have a little sympathy. This guy probably caused a lot of pain and anguish to numerous people and their families. He made a choice. It's bad enough worrying about a deadly virus, but having to worry about a repeat offender out on the streets? No sir............ I'm no, "Confess and we'll forgive." type. Explain it to the victims, this is okay. We don't even know what the particulars are as far as his past criminal activities.








Also in the news..........

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2020/rcmp-role-enforcing-the-federal-quarantine-act

There are people who are not self-quarantining for 14 days after they come back to Canada from abroad. I hope these people get nailed to the proverbial cross.

Yes, parts of the public are not self isolating, but I'm sure we can trust that violent offenders caught pistol whipping or accomplices to attempted murder will obey their recommendations to do so.
With judges like these on the bench, it's no wonder this beautiful country is becoming a hotbed for crime.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6788223/coronavirus-prisons-inmates-released/
One is the accused getaway driver for a recent Toronto murder attempt. Another allegedly pistol-whipped and Tasered two in Ottawa over a drug debt. A third was allegedly involved in a Toronto strip mall shooting.

A growing number of suspects arrested on serious criminal charges have been ordered released from custody in recent weeks by judges concerned about the spread of COVID-19 in Canada’s prisons.

“These are extraordinary, dire times,” a judge wrote Monday in a decision ordering the release of a man accused of firing a bullet through his ex-girlfriend’s apartment window in Hamilton, Ont.

[mikemhg]

Really don’t know how much longer this is all sustainable in terms of social isolation etc.

A lot of people I know and work with etc. Are talking about trying to organize bbqs and whatnot and try to social distance there getting together with friends and family. It hasn’t really been too hard for me because the wife and I get along great even stuck with each other day after day but if you live in a small condo and you’re on your own I can really blame em.

They are going to have to figure something out in terms of going out but you must wear a mask etc. Because people are gonna start going out regardless

I agree wholeheartedly. With the Province recently announcing this week that they're closing all parks until end of May? Who knows if the municipal parks will follow suit?

I think it's a terrible idea, you're just going to have people congregate more to the few spaces available.

There is absolutely no way they can keep this up in this manner in terms of forcing people to stay inside until end of May, or even June like some are proposing.

It's already getting hot out, once you have those 20C+ days, all bets are off.

I'm curious to hear what type of plan they have for that, currently there doesn't seem to be one.

[dachinesedude]

I know my parents is having a hard time with it already. They been to Costco, Superstore, Saves on a few times already for "grocery shopping" this week. Also they been to my place twice in the last 2 weeks to bring "grocery" to me and my wife....... They also been the parks but I let them know always wear your mask and wash your hands when you are out.

maybe that's the reason why you're sick

[SumAznGuy]

I agree wholeheartedly. With the Province recently announcing this week that they're closing all parks until end of May? Who knows if the municipal parks will follow suit?

Just drove past Deer Lake and all the parking lots are closed effective immediately. Some cars are still parked inside the lot but parks board people have closed the gates and are manning the gates to allow those cars out but no more cars in.
Anywhere where you can park is now a gong show. And of course, Deer Lake is busy AF with parents and their kids.

And this will be the new norm for the next little while.

[Mr.HappySilp]

maybe that's the reason why you're sick

Could be

[bcrdukes]

I suppose we'll see Darwinism in action. :)

[whitev70r]

Stanley Park is off limits for cars ... opening up road for bikers and pedestrians. This will make it either easier to physical distance or cause a sh*tshow with half of Vancouver population going there.

[Ludepower]

I hope this isnt an invitation for a Surrey family of 8 to drive downtown, park in the west end and walk to Stanley park.

[welfare]

Really don’t know how much longer this is all sustainable in terms of social isolation etc.

A lot of people I know and work with etc. Are talking about trying to organize bbqs and whatnot and try to social distance there getting together with friends and family. It hasn’t really been too hard for me because the wife and I get along great even stuck with each other day after day but if you live in a small condo and you’re on your own I can really blame em.

They are going to have to figure something out in terms of going out but you must wear a mask etc. Because people are gonna start going out regardless

Well going off yesterday's briefing, Trudeau says this will be the new norm for the next 12-18 months.
That's right, no plan whatsoever aside from sitting on their hands until a vaccine "arrives" and showering the public with debt in the meanwhile.
Can you just imagine what the deficit is going to look like at that rate?

I can't bite my tongue on what an absolutely piss poor job this government has done with managing this right from the start.
They made NO attempt to stop or even slow this virus from entering the country. And now they have NO plan on what to do now that it's here.
UTTER INCOMPETENCE.

Even the CBC can't hide their less than lackluster response.
Kinda hard to ignore it when recently released government docs state it plain as day.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-government-documents-1.5528726

[!LittleDragon]

Recorded some video last weekend while cruising the town. School and commercial districts are dead. Parks have a lot of people inside.


https://youtu.be/iQbSeMotv8M

[SkinnyPupp]

Well going off yesterday's briefing, Trudeau says this will be the new norm for the next 12-18 months.
That's right, no plan whatsoever aside from sitting on their hands until a vaccine "arrives" and showering the public with debt in the meanwhile.
Can you just imagine what the deficit is going to look like at that rate?

I can't bite my tongue on what an absolutely piss poor job this government has done with managing this right from the start.
They made NO attempt to stop or even slow this virus from entering the country. And now they have NO plan on what to do now that it's here.
UTTER INCOMPETENCE.

Even the CBC can't hide their less than lackluster response.
Kinda hard to ignore it when recently released government docs state it plain as day.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-government-documents-1.5528726
"WAH THE DEFICIT"

Bro every country is going to be in a deficit after this, stop whining. Canada is taking care of their people probably better than most if not all others.

Even Hong Kong, who has been so far into a surplus every year in the last decade that they just give money away for no reason (while not developing a proper social welfare program but that's another topic for another place), plans to be in a $140 Billion deficit this year ($18 billion USD) 4.8% GDP.

Canada with 4X the population and were hit much harder by the virus, expects a 184b deficit, 8.5% GDP

Sucks I know, but you know what else sucks? A fucking pandemic that kills hundreds of thousands of people and destroys our way of life. With like half the population out of work, homelessness is coming. Canada is trying to prevent that, and that means... A DEFICIT. HIGHER TAXES for people who can pay them. This is to prevent situations like this

https://i.imgur.com/KRRa7SU.png?1 https://i.imgur.com/AW80gSA.png https://i.imgur.com/FEs3WHT.png

However because it's Trudeau, every decision is a bad one right?

I can't even imagine the shit Canada would be in now if the Conservatives won the last election. I mean things are scary now, but that would be terrifying.

[underscore]

Really don’t know how much longer this is all sustainable in terms of social isolation etc.

A lot of people I know and work with etc. Are talking about trying to organize bbqs and whatnot and try to social distance there getting together with friends and family. It hasn’t really been too hard for me because the wife and I get along great even stuck with each other day after day but if you live in a small condo and you’re on your own I can really blame em.

They are going to have to figure something out in terms of going out but you must wear a mask etc. Because people are gonna start going out regardless

Am I the only one that feels like we haven't even properly gotten started yet? There's still loads of people walking/biking/driving around, kids playing together, etc. I went to the store for a some essentials and I was the only person in the store with a mask of any kind and nobody was keeping their distance in the aisles.

I could see people complaining if we were few months into the much stricter measures other countries have done but if they can't handle the couple weeks of half assing it that we've been doing then they need to give their head a shake.

[snowball]

Just watched a CityNews Toronto video on youtube and the anti-vax conspiracy army is out in full force.

How did we become like this? Mob-mentality, uneducated, anti-science crazies. I feel sorry for all the citizens of Ontario who are actually taking this seriously and have to bear the brunt of protecting society, including these dumbass crazies.

[RRxtar]

All the greeneries and garden centers in kelowna are absolutely packed today. Probably busier than what they'd normally be. I wonder how many of the people who are there buying their spring flowers and geraniums and other useless shit also have #stayhome on their social media.

[1337]

All the greeneries and garden centers in kelowna are absolutely packed today. Probably busier than what they'd normally be. I wonder how many of the people who are there buying their spring flowers and geraniums and other useless shit also have #stayhome on their social media.

Looking forward to Monday articles about how many warnings were issued over the weekend FailFish

[hud 91gt]

What are people’s thoughts on Sweden?

Without a full flown China style lockdown, you can’t eradicate the virus. Even with their scale of measures it’s still pretty damn tough. Sweden? They are being smart. Sick? Stay home. Old? Stay home and don’t see anyone. Everyone else? Be smart.... yes it will spread, but sitting at home with half ass measures is doing the same thing. So why kill the economy while your at it.

Perhaps our population just isn’t logical or strict enough to not be stupid.

[SkinnyPupp]

Meanwhile in Asia

https://twitter.com/MsMelChen/status/1248784979485773824

Yesterday we had 16 cases. 15 were travelers and 1 was a secondary community case from the LKF cluster of people who couldn't stop socializing.

[Jmac]

All the greeneries and garden centers in kelowna are absolutely packed today. Probably busier than what they'd normally be. I wonder how many of the people who are there buying their spring flowers and geraniums and other useless shit also have #stayhome on their social media.
So many people on my Facebook with #stayhome on their profile asking where they can find unmonitored boat launches, what private campgrounds are open, etc.

[bcrdukes]

Just watched a CityNews Toronto video on youtube and the anti-vax conspiracy army is out in full force.

How did we become like this? Mob-mentality, uneducated, anti-science crazies. I feel sorry for all the citizens of Ontario who are actually taking this seriously and have to bear the brunt of protecting society, including these dumbass crazies.

This hits home personally (I live in Toronto, I know.) It sucks here and this is how people are. No matter how educated, how brilliant one might be, I find that it's an Ontario thing here. People have these crazy, conservative (sometimes far-right) ideas, and of course, vote in crazies like Doug Ford. People say Vancouver is full of NIMBY's, but I find that it's mild in Vancouver. It's more extreme here.

No matter how much people hate the Liberals, I stray away from the Conservatives here, both at the municipal, provincial, and federal level.

[welfare]

"WAH THE DEFICIT"

Bro every country is going to be in a deficit after this, stop whining. Canada is taking care of their people probably better than most if not all others.

Even Hong Kong, who has been so far into a surplus every year in the last decade that they just give money away for no reason (while not developing a proper social welfare program but that's another topic for another place), plans to be in a $140 Billion deficit this year ($18 billion USD) 4.8% GDP.

Canada with 4X the population and were hit much harder by the virus, expects a 184b deficit, 8.5% GDP

Sucks I know, but you know what else sucks? A fucking pandemic that kills hundreds of thousands of people and destroys our way of life. With like half the population out of work, homelessness is coming. Canada is trying to prevent that, and that means... A DEFICIT. HIGHER TAXES for people who can pay them. This is to prevent situations like this


You seem to be under the disillusion that somehow taking, by force, citizens money that will accrue interest for the decades to come, to distribute it right now is some sort of crowning achievement.
It is not.


However because it's Trudeau, every decision is a bad one right?

I can't even imagine the shit Canada would be in now if the Conservatives won the last election. I mean things are scary now, but that would be terrifying.

The conservative shadow health minister made recommendations as early as January to restrict travel, enforce mandatory quarantine for those returning from infected areas, and assess PPE stockpiles. Common sense measures that this government would end up taking MONTHS later.

It's not 'because it's Trudeau'. It's because this government continually chose to take its marching orders from the "experts" at the WHO rather than the common sense examples from countries that defied them, and are now seeing the benefits.
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/national/david-staples-how-taiwan-unlike-canada-keeps-schools-and-business-open-during-covid-19-outbreak/

[Mr.HappySilp]

https://youtu.be/0wpkFZUougc
https://youtu.be/cEn1PKyBUNc

[SkinnyPupp]

It's not 'because it's Trudeau'. It's because this government continually chose to take its marching orders from the "experts" at the WHO rather than the common sense examples from countries that defied them, and are now seeing the benefits.
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/national/david-staples-how-taiwan-unlike-canada-keeps-schools-and-business-open-during-covid-19-outbreak/

I've said it before and I'll say it again - blame the WHO for this, not the people who followed their advice like they were supposed to.

WHO has been exposed, and need to be dealt with. China, you know I've been talking about them forever, but they need to be considered as well in future law making.

Very few countries did NOT listen to the WHO. Taiwan is the ultimate example, but in a way they only did so because they weren't allowed to take part. If they were allowed, maybe they'd be in the same situation. If they'd elected a pro-CCP government (and the KMT had been running on that platform lately although they changed their tune after this last loss), they would have had to play nice and leave borders open just like everyone else.

So Taiwan ended up better off, Hong Kong did because the people forced them into it, and Japan nobody has a clue why they aren't completely destroyed by now. Following the WHO guidelines is kind of what you're supposed to do, until now. How many people knew how corrupt they were before this? I didn't know, and I've been critical of them since day 1, although more stuff has come out after...

[welfare]

Yet you criticise the conservatives, who recommended AGAINST the WHO guidelines all the way back in January.
Your comment was not grounded by facts, but bias.
This government is STILL following WHO guidelines.
I can't see how anyone can defend that.

[hud 91gt]

I've said it before and I'll say it again - blame the WHO for this, not the people who followed their advice like they were supposed to.

WHO has been exposed, and need to be dealt with. China, you know I've been talking about them forever, but they need to be considered as well in future law making.

Very few countries did NOT listen to the WHO. Taiwan is the ultimate example, but in a way they only did so because they weren't allowed to take part. If they were allowed, maybe they'd be in the same situation. If they'd elected a pro-CCP government (and the KMT had been running on that platform lately although they changed their tune after this last loss), they would have had to play nice and leave borders open just like everyone else.

So Taiwan ended up better off, Hong Kong did because the people forced them into it, and Japan nobody has a clue why they aren't completely destroyed by now. Following the WHO guidelines is kind of what you're supposed to do, until now. How many people knew how corrupt they were before this? I didn't know, and I've been critical of them since day 1, although more stuff has come out after...

Japan... I’ve travelled a fair bit. Japan is one of the cleanest places I’ve ever been. Their culture is so ridiculously anal about any sort of rule, I’m betting any minor changes put in place to combat the virus would actually work. This has to play a part. For such a densely populated place it really is amazing. But at the same time. The attention to detail is amazing. This shows up everywhere in their culture. Even when wiping down a door knob. Probably one of the easiest things to do with the biggest effect.

A population wearing masks and gloves who lives in disgusting quarters, while
obsessively touching their face with their “safe dirty ass gloved” hands doesn’t accomplish much. I watch people locally who are fully decked out. A lot of them are prepared, and that’s awesome. But seriously, they are moving their masks. touching their faces, using reusable bags, all sorts of acts which are foolish. It’s like by wearing their “space suit” they are now invincible. I feel the same way on my mountain bike when I’m geared up. Way less cautious.

[ime2006]

First, Pardon my English..............

Taiwan knew something was not right back in 2019 Dec and Taiwan started monitoring and tracking since.

Taiwan also warned WHO about it will transmit human to human. WHO didn't listen. And still give out false info to the globe.

I would totally blame WHO, Tedros, leads the world into the situation now.
So much politics with CHINA.
If WHO stands neutral, and do their job right. We might not be as bad as now.

As i watch Taiwanese News, Taiwan actually gives case numbers to those who got infected. That way is so much easier to track, control and branch out to possible contacts.

[Hondaracer]

Frankly regardless of Japan’s attention to detail their land mass will never bode well to surviving things like this long term. Density is too high. I don’t care how high strung your society is, you can’t beat volume. I’ll give BC credit in their handling of this, however I think a huge factor in their relative success in handling it is due to low density of the population in the GVRD

I still see people complaining about Vancouver not being a world class city in other threads. We will see once this is all over what Canada and Vancouver look like.

I believe besides the incompetence of our federal govt. and to our provincial in many aspects (although even taking a neutral stance I will say the NDP has done an OK job) BC always comes out ahead based on its own merit.

[Ch28]

Very few countries did NOT listen to the WHO. Taiwan is the ultimate example, but in a way they only did so because they weren't allowed to take part.

https://i.imgur.com/Y4e93ki.jpg

[Manic!]

Yet you criticise the conservatives, who recommended AGAINST the WHO guidelines all the way back in January.
Your comment was not grounded by facts, but bias.
This government is STILL following WHO guidelines.
I can't see how anyone can defend that.

So what guidelines should they follow?

[SkinnyPupp]

https://i.imgur.com/Y4e93ki.jpg
That was a funny comic, but it has since been revealed that all the hate and death threats were coming from Chinese accounts masquerading as Taiwanese trolls

[SkinnyPupp]

This government is STILL following WHO guidelines.


Serious question since I don't know, but which UN countries are NOT following the WHO guidelines at this time? And which guidelines do you take issue with?

[GS8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8

Not a big fan of Bill but sometimes he says what I'm thinking. Need more messages like this to reach mass audiences.

[6793026]

Honestly don't know what the end game is.

BC is doing well, quebec is not flattening yet.

Canada or any other given county, has a tough cookie regardless which side they partake for or against the WHO.

Reporters will say "where are your sources from? Why are you opposing the WHO"
"Do you have smarter doctors than WHO?" Now, if they don't take recommendations and their decisions fail eg// maks...... "I TOLD YOU SO, why didn't you listen to WHO".

Can't win; so by default... just stand close with WHO and they can deflect any blame on WHO.

yes, 12-18 months until vaccine or.. there is no fucking game plan... I don't blame the government... cause what plan do you have you think that could solve this?

1) Bail out big corp... who goes first? Airlines is #1, you gotta have your own planes to repatriate your people
2) Next in line.. you got Oil and Gas asking for bail out *poor ass Alberta.
3) In about 3 weeks, City of Van and everyone else will be poor and run out of money. No revenue and default in property tax... bail out again...

Any ideas on who you would bail out next?

[Teriyaki]

Problem is, where is the theoretical bottom of the bucket? I think a lot of governments have already hit the bottom and have kept drilling and drilling. Its a really tough situation because its death if you do, death if you don't.

[welfare]

Serious question since I don't know, but which UN countries are NOT following the WHO guidelines at this time? And which guidelines do you take issue with?

Austria, Czech republic, Slovakia among others have made masks compulsory.
Many other countries are STRONGLY advising their use.
Even the CDC is telling Americans to wear them when in public.
This government is still downplaying effectiveness. STILL. Directly mimicking the WHO guidelines. It was just days ago that they finally came out and said they might maybe possibly help lower asymptomatic transmission.
You might, you should, you shouldn't, false sense of security, might make you, not worn properly, can actually be worse...
Really!!?? This is a health organization?
And this government is following them lockstep FailFish

[welfare]

Hey here's a simple solution:
Lockdown the country for one month, keeping nothing but groceries and medical available.
During that one month, take some of those hundreds of billions of dollars that's going to be spent on this half assed 12-18 month self isolation nonsense and spend it on manufacturing masks.
Lift the lockdown, provide your citizens with masks and make them compulsory.
No one is sick. No one is going to get sick. Everyone back to work. Too simple?
Getting a little tired of couping my ass up in the house, going out only for groceries once a week while at least half the population treats it like nothing. Is that why a fraction of us have to do this? For those morons?

[Bouncing Bettys]

Family cottage and 70 or so other properties have road access through a provincial park which was created decades after the road was built and had public money spent on it. Authorities have no legal right to gate the road to close the park. All they can do is tape off all the parking areas. The big brained have decided to park on the road itself, impeding traffic.

[Amuse]

Hey here's a simple fix:
Lockdown the country for one month, keeping nothing but groceries and medical available.


That can't happen in Canada. Not like a Wuhan lockdown in which everything is shut down, and all the streets were like ghost towns.

In Canada, besides grocery stores and medical, there are a lot more "essential service" workers that have to work. Government of Canada will be slow to shut those down too, creating a full lockdown. So many people still go out to work. That also brings people who don't have work/ who are supposed to stay home to go out as well to go shopping for garden and patio supplies, video games, Tim Hortons drive thrus for food. Canada does not have much experience in creative ways in dealing with flattening the curve in which everyone listens, like in Taiwan.




During that one month, take some of those hundreds of billions of dollars that's going to be spent on this half assed 12-18 month self isolation nonsense and spend it on manufacturing masks.
Lift the lockdown, provide your citizens with masks and make them compulsory.


Canada is slow to recommend mask use too. It is currently "recommended" and wearing a cloth face mask "does not hurt." Until Canada enforces mask use, not everyone will wear a mask. It VARIED widely with which community people are in/cultures/how CONCERNED people are with Covid 19.
If you go to Metrotown or Richmond, most of the people wear masks
This past week I was in Surrey Walmart (most people were wearing a mask)
Burnaby North Safeway (half the people were wearing a mask)
Driving along W Broadway from Commercial to Oak St. (Surprisingly many people on the street were wearing masks)
Home Depot in Poco and KMS in Coq. (I guess only 5-10% of people wear a mask)

[MarkyMark]

It's pretty easy to say shut everything down for a month, wear a mask and *poof* problem solved let's all go back to work. First you have time make enough masks for everyone to wear, then you have to enforce that everyone will actually comply (good fucking luck), and then until every last person is actually symptom free and there's no cases in BC how can you say shit won't spread like wildfire again when EVERYONE goes back to work?

To think one month would cure everything is ridiculous. Get ready to cancel your summer plans cause this shit will be around for awhile whether they "shut it all down" or not.

[Ludepower]

The dude is a know it all troll. Why does the whole country need a shutdown when BC is doing fine flattening the curve. You're not going to have cases goto zero after a month especially with 100's of thousands of canadians still overseas who'll eventually come home.

[welfare]

Sorry, i thought i was being clear.
-shutdown
-manufacture masks
-lift shutdown with provided masks made compulsory
-everyone back to work with compulsory mask order still in place until vaccine

Tell me what's physically not possible about that.
Tell me why other countries, some less developed some not, can do that but we can't.

[Amuse]

The dude is a know it all troll. Why does the whole country need a shutdown when BC is doing fine flattening the curve. You're not going to have cases goto zero after a month especially with 100's of thousands of canadians still overseas who'll eventually come home.We cannot think BC is doing fine. If all BC'es think we are doing fine, then people will travel out of town on the weekend, gather with families and drink beers, and then the curve will spike back up again.

[twitchyzero]

blame cant 100% be placed on WHO...they were never the end-all be-all

wasn't CBSA still only handing out questionnaires for travelers a week or so ago?

the only countries outside initial outbreak that had a legitimate excuse to get caught off guard was Italy/Iran...Korea to an extent

everyone else thought 'sad, but won't be that bad here' ...hubris for governments not to take scenarios seriously

BC got lucky spring break was after ON/QC's...let's see if the case loads shoot up again in 2-3 weeks after a long weekend of camping, boat trips, packed ferry sailings putting seniors in sparse communities at risk

we need to get dumped with river in the sky downpours for a few weeks to keep up the effort

[Manic!]

Sorry, i thought i was being clear.
-shutdown
-manufacture masks
-lift shutdown with provided masks made compulsory
-everyone back to work with compulsory mask order still in place until vaccine

Tell me what's physically not possible about that.
Tell me why other countries, some less developed some not, can do that but we can't.

Why shut down, TV doctor said you just take qualaquin and zinc and 12 to 18 hours later you are perfectly fine. Just go out and do your thing. if you get sick you will be down for less than 24 hours. quarantine over.

Also, forget masks all you need is a scarf. We should just get all the grannies to start mass producing scarfs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvXMpv4oXFk

[Gumby]

We should let welfare & manic! run the country. :lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Welfare at least comes across as giving a fuck, even if I don't agree with everything. (I do agree that masks absolutely are the key to solving this).

Manic is just... well manic... He's come close to being banned from the thread a few times. Starting to get tired of the pointless attacks. If you want to argue or debate, fine, but come on. Make a damn point!

[UnknownJinX]

Sorry, i thought i was being clear.
-shutdown
-manufacture masks
-lift shutdown with provided masks made compulsory
-everyone back to work with compulsory mask order still in place until vaccine

Tell me what's physically not possible about that.
Tell me why other countries, some less developed some not, can do that but we can't.IMO country size has something to do with that.

When you are the second largest country in the world, things are going to be a lot harder to manage. It might be able to be done on big cities, but to apply and enforce these to every little town in Canada are going to take effort.

That said, bigger area with few people means low population density, and so the hot spots tend to be mostly large cities.

[StylinRed]

Just a note Bergamo, Italy is hardest hit and its density is far less than Vancouver (3000/km2 vs 5500/km2) it's closer to metro Vancouvers density of 2600/km2 Bergamos population is only 120k, so I'm not sure how relevant? Population density is when it comes to this

[SkinnyPupp]

There are so many factors to take in, it's impossible to narrow down to a single thing like population density.

For instance, there's almost a direct correlation between all the significant cases in NY, and ethnicity. Almost everyone getting sick are black or hispanic, many of whom are first line heath care workers (black and hispanic make up for a huge portion of that field) and bus drivers.

In NY or New Orleans, you can overlay a C19 map with a map of average household incomes, or race, and they will almost match up 1:1.

This obviously points out a huge huge problem in America that not many people are going to pay attention to... They are busy fighting over trying to have a proper health care system and fighting against higher minimum wages (many of whom are these "essential workers" the country is currently relying on)

Sorry if I ranted there this kind of pisses me off whenever I think about it.

[JDMDreams]

You guys do know that the numbers in bc are low because they aren't testing anyone right and Canada still doesn't have the capacity to test. Because doctor's are like just stay home self quarantine and take Tylenol

[westopher]

Read. The. Numbers.
Canada is 7th in the number of total tests in the world.
Any presumed case with contact is counted as a positive, no test is needed.
Look at the hospitalization numbers
Look at the deaths

Use the information in front of you.

[Acura604]

... condo living ...

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/10/man-elevator-video-spit-covid-19/

[welfare]

There are so many factors to take in, it's impossible to narrow down to a single thing like population density.

For instance, there's almost a direct correlation between all the significant cases in NY, and ethnicity. Almost everyone getting sick are black or hispanic, many of whom are first line heath care workers (black and hispanic make up for a huge portion of that field) and bus drivers.

In NY or New Orleans, you can overlay a C19 map with a map of average household incomes, or race, and they will almost match up 1:1.

This obviously points out a huge huge problem in America that not many people are going to pay attention to... They are busy fighting over trying to have a proper health care system and fighting against higher minimum wages (many of whom are these "essential workers" the country is currently relying on)

Sorry if I ranted there this kind of pisses me off whenever I think about it.

Or maybe black and Hispanic people in America, generally, have differing attitudes/cultures than some other ethnicities.
Just like Italians have differing attitudes/cultures from Japanese.

[Manic!]

Or maybe black and Hispanic people in America, generally, have differing attitudes/cultures than some other ethnicities.
Just like Italians have differing attitudes/cultures from Japanese.

Japanese and Italians live in 2 different countries that are thousands of miles apart and speak completely different languages. Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, Asians, etc in the states live in the same city and speak the same language.

[whitev70r]

A nurse (in the US) revealed the tragic last words of his coronavirus patient: 'Who's going to pay for it?'

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/health/nurse-last-words-coronavirus-patient-trnd/index.html

[twitchyzero]

Canada is 7th in the number of total tests in the world.
Any presumed case with contact is counted as a positive, no test is needed.
Look at the hospitalization numbers
Look at the deaths



where to find live stats on testing?

looking at official curve alone doesn't account for asymptomatic spread and the ~ 3 week lag (incubation, then some delay for real time numbers to get updated in the media)

have they addressed the reason for the handful of community deaths? why those victims didn't check into the hosp with complications developing

[whitev70r]

https://youtu.be/qP1JlUAgtFk

[westopher]

where to find live stats on testing?

looking at official curve alone doesn't account for asymptomatic spread and the ~ 3 week lag (incubation, then some delay for real time numbers to get updated in the media)

have they addressed the reason for the handful of community deaths? why those victims didn't check into the hosp with complications developing

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This is the best source of info for just raw numbers. You can do with them what you will. People who can understand patterns, time passed since outbreak, etc will be able to make the most sense of it.

[twitchyzero]

tests per capita we're only doing a bit better than USA and Spain, oof

[JD¹³]

... condo living ...

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/10/man-elevator-video-spit-covid-19/
People like this just need to get their ass kicked. Couple good punches to the face and this dumbass would probably never think he can get away with that kind of pure stupidity and ignorance again. I really wish people pulled this kind of stuff around me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHUHPMRfBSE

[MG1]

... condo living ...

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/10/man-elevator-video-spit-covid-19/

That's the girl who sings the national anthems at Canucks games......... maybe she embellished the story a bit, gulolol.

[westopher]

tests per capita we're only doing a bit better than USA and Spain, oof

It’s true, but we are also ahead of south Korea who has been a country to model after in this epidemic. There’s a lot to process and it’s something that requires every number and then some qualitative information to be looked at.

[welfare]

Japanese and Italians live in 2 different countries that are thousands of miles apart and speak completely different languages. Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, Asians, etc in the states live in the same city and speak the same language.

And do you think there aren't cultural differences between them? Generally speaking, of course.
There are cultural differences between Chinese of different provinces in China.
Differing dialects. Differing attitudes.
Same country. Same ethnicity even.

[mikemhg]

This hits home personally (I live in Toronto, I know.) It sucks here and this is how people are. No matter how educated, how brilliant one might be, I find that it's an Ontario thing here. People have these crazy, conservative (sometimes far-right) ideas, and of course, vote in crazies like Doug Ford. People say Vancouver is full of NIMBY's, but I find that it's mild in Vancouver. It's more extreme here.

No matter how much people hate the Liberals, I stray away from the Conservatives here, both at the municipal, provincial, and federal level.

Completely agree with you. I go to Toronto often for work, and have quite a few friends out there. Their mentality is quite a lot different politically than us out here in Vancouver, a lot more conservative, even people within our age group (mid 30's).

[mikemhg]

Yesterday my girlfriend and I went to a very private secluded spot on the coast where we had a little fire, and a few drinks, just the two of us. Not a person in sight near us whatsoever (this spot is not a park or any of such, just a spot off the highway along the coast).

We've been out there twice this week, and both times we noticed someone flying a drone along the coast looking for people.

Low and behold the drone from earlier in the week flew over, and in about 40 minutes an RCMP officer came walking down the beach.

He told us how the locals are calling in the police on people, he told us we were fine and to take our time, but to pack up and head out soon. He even said he had no plans in coming back, and that he had to come down because of the called in complaint. Really nice guy.

This is what I'm truly worried about here. Nimbys have long tried to stop visitors from coming to "their" communities, you know the types I'm talking about.

What I worry about is our civil liberties, our abilities to use public land, to move about. I can already see people taking advantage of COVID to push their own personal agendas in terms of restricting travel, and not having folks in their "preferred" homogeneous communities.

I've traveled the world my whole life, and in summer, I love traveling through BC.

Will we see a time where a usual trip out to Penticton, Osoyoos, the island, and such, becomes a thing of the past?

[Tapioca]

^ You're on to something.

With respect to development, I can see anti-density advocates being out in full force as more people are infected and hospitalized in the weeks ahead.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Yesterday my girlfriend and I went to a very private secluded spot on the coast where we had a little fire, and a few drinks, just the two of us. Not a person in sight near us whatsoever (this spot is not a park or any of such, just a spot off the highway along the coast).

We've been out there twice this week, and both times we noticed someone flying a drone along the coast looking for people.

Low and behold the drone from earlier in the week flew over, and in about 40 minutes an RCMP officer came walking down the beach.

He told us how the locals are calling in the police on people, he told us we were fine and to take our time, but to pack up and head out soon. He even said he had no plans in coming back, and that he had to come down because of the called in complaint. Really nice guy.

This is what I'm truly worried about here. Nimbys have long tried to stop visitors from coming to "their" communities, you know the types I'm talking about.

What I worry about is our civil liberties, our abilities to use public land, to move about. I can already see people taking advantage of COVID to push their own personal agendas in terms of restricting travel, and not having folks in their "preferred" homogeneous communities.

I've traveled the world my whole life, and in summer, I love traveling through BC.

Will we see a time where a usual trip out to Penticton, Osoyoos, the island, and such, becomes a thing of the past?

They really can't stop you if you are traveling within Canada. Locals might give the cold stare or swear and yell but can't really stop you from traveling to their community and on public place. Is like stopping from people Coquitlam going to Stanley park or Waterfront. As long as people follow the social distancing policy in place is fine.

[bcrdukes]

Completely agree with you. I go to Toronto often for work, and have quite a few friends out there. Their mentality is quite a lot different politically than us out here in Vancouver, a lot more conservative, even people within our age group (mid 30's).

I've been using a reusable cup since forever, and even folks within the age group think I'm some kind of weirdo hipster out of Vancouver, rolling their eyes in disgust. They're a different bunch out here for sure.

[Manic!]

31 dead at a care home in Quebec. The staff abandoned the place. It was privately owned.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/herron-residence-legault-1.5529914

Quebec Premier François Legault has confirmed 31 people have died at a Montreal-area seniors' residence since March 13 — five, so far, from COVID-19.

A sombre Legault, visibly pale as he spoke at the daily provincial news conference, cancelled a planned day off to deal with the fallout and share the information with the public.

Grim news has been emerging about the seniors' residence in Dorval, in the West Island of Montreal, for a few days.

Legault said that on March 29, when public health officials first visited the private CHSLD — the term used for seniors' residences in the province — "most of the staff had then deserted the residence."

Public health authorities were not able to confirm the exact number of deaths until Friday evening because the Herron's owner had refused to give them access to the residents' files, Legault said.

[bcrdukes]

They really can't stop you if you are traveling within Canada. Locals might give the cold stare or swear and yell but can't really stop you from traveling to their community and on public place. Is like stopping from people Coquitlam going to Stanley park or Waterfront. As long as people follow the social distancing policy in place is fine.

Don't you have COVID-19?

[mikemhg]

They really can't stop you if you are traveling within Canada. Locals might give the cold stare or swear and yell but can't really stop you from traveling to their community and on public place. Is like stopping from people Coquitlam going to Stanley park or Waterfront. As long as people follow the social distancing policy in place is fine.

You might be right, but man I'm honestly worried, I don't like that feeling, you know?

I stick out like a sore thumb, when I visit some of these places, like Peach fest, or local restaurants, we'll get those stares or the cold looks as they know we're not from there.

It's always been a sore point for me when I travel to some of these places in BC.

I'm just honestly worried if it will become more apparent and worse in the future here.

[buhdeh]

I've been using a reusable cup since forever, and even folks within the age group think I'm some kind of weirdo hipster out of Vancouver, rolling their eyes in disgust. They're a different bunch out here for sure.

I don’t know what type of people you associate with but that sounds made up. I work in the financial district and literally thousands of people in the PATH use reusable cups. In fact, my firm doesn’t even provide disposable cups anymore and gives every new hire a drink bottle.

Let’s not act like Vancouver is the only woke city in this country or something.

[welfare]

Yesterday my girlfriend and I went to a very private secluded spot on the coast where we had a little fire, and a few drinks, just the two of us. Not a person in sight near us whatsoever (this spot is not a park or any of such, just a spot off the highway along the coast).

We've been out there twice this week, and both times we noticed someone flying a drone along the coast looking for people.

Low and behold the drone from earlier in the week flew over, and in about 40 minutes an RCMP officer came walking down the beach.

He told us how the locals are calling in the police on people, he told us we were fine and to take our time, but to pack up and head out soon. He even said he had no plans in coming back, and that he had to come down because of the called in complaint. Really nice guy.

This is what I'm truly worried about here. Nimbys have long tried to stop visitors from coming to "their" communities, you know the types I'm talking about.

What I worry about is our civil liberties, our abilities to use public land, to move about. I can already see people taking advantage of COVID to push their own personal agendas in terms of restricting travel, and not having folks in their "preferred" homogeneous communities.

I've traveled the world my whole life, and in summer, I love traveling through BC.

Will we see a time where a usual trip out to Penticton, Osoyoos, the island, and such, becomes a thing of the past?

You know i wholeheartedly agree that people need to be able to maintain some sanity, so long as they're, not just abiding by rules, but using their brains and common sense.
But like everything, a few bad apples will spoil the bunch.
Oh let's stop here first. Oh let's get that on the way.
It's unfortunate but there are just too many morons who push it and ruin it for the responsible ones.

[Ludepower]

We cannot think BC is doing fine. If all BC'es think we are doing fine, then people will travel out of town on the weekend, gather with families and drink beers, and then the curve will spike back up again.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-covid-19-maintenance-phase-april-easter-1.5528959

BC can breath a little sigh of relief and start loosening some of the rules by the end of the month. Knock on wood of course but we've done a great job when compared to others.

A full country wide shutdown isn't necessary when different provinces are at different stages of this pandemic.

[Hondaracer]

This notion that you can’t go to a vacation home cabin etc. Is completely fucked.

If I had a cabin or something honestly there’s no way in hella you’re telling me not to go there. That’s when it’s bordering on literally stripping civil liberties away when I’m being told I can’t go to a home I OWN.

[westopher]

No body told you “you can’t.”
They are telling you not to because of the potential consequences it can have on a small community.
If people would just be like “oh fuck I shouldn’t do that because of the effect it has on others” instead of “fuck you, you told me not to so I’m doing it” this would go by a lot quicker.

[SkinnyPupp]

Or maybe black and Hispanic people in America, generally, have differing attitudes/cultures than some other ethnicities.
Just like Italians have differing attitudes/cultures from Japanese.
Yeah I supposed you'd say that their culture is that they're poor, and they have to keep going to work while everyone else gets the fuck outta dodge, or have "non essential" jobs that can be done from home.

[underscore]

No body told you “you can’t.”
They are telling you not to because of the potential consequences it can have on a small community.
If people would just be like “oh fuck I shouldn’t do that because of the effect it has on others” instead of “fuck you, you told me not to so I’m doing it” this would go by a lot quicker.

Exactly this. Especially something like going out to a cabin that isn't strictly necessary, you better be 100% sure you can get there and be there completely independently because every interaction with someone is a risk to them. The off road recovery page I'm on has posts every day from dipshits going out and getting stuck and needing help from strangers to get out. Then there's people going out dirtbiking and snowmobiling, which is fine until they get stuck or hurt and then they're risking tons of people like this:

https://www.outsideonline.com/2411094/backcountry-accidents-coronavirus-colorado#close

[6793026]

This notion that you can’t go to a vacation home cabin etc. Is completely fucked.



They are telling you not to because of the potential consequences it can have on a small community.


The great example they had was Tofino.. they said PLEASE don't come.
1) their facilities aren't fit for having ventilators and man, it would be tough for the community to deal with influx of people... i feel for them.

Just like Alice Lake + all these public parks... no one says you can't go to them via walking... they really don't want people to be doing crazy 2 day hikes and stuff. bravo to all the park rangers for doing their part.

[bcrdukes]

I don’t know what type of people you associate with but that sounds made up. I work in the financial district and literally thousands of people in the PATH use reusable cups. In fact, my firm doesn’t even provide disposable cups anymore and gives every new hire a drink bottle.

Let’s not act like Vancouver is the only woke city in this country or something.

It's evident I struck a nerve, and I truly hope you understand that not everyone is part of your Financial District bubble, or hangs out at the PATH Monday to Friday. Forget about who I hang out with or associate myself with. You work at a firm that gives out a reusable bottle to a new hire - so what? Is your firm the poster child of being progressive? What about the other 3 Million people in the GTA who can barely figure out the difference between paper and plastic, let alone, understand the concept of recycling. Toronto only managed to implement a recycling program within the past few years, and even then it's a flop. Made up. Yeah, sure.

[TOS'd]

It's evident I struck a nerve, and I truly hope you understand that not everyone is part of your Financial District bubble, or hangs out at the PATH Monday to Friday. Forget about who I hang out with or associate myself with. You work at a firm that gives out a reusable bottle to a new hire - so what? Is your firm the poster child of being progressive? What about the other 3 Million people in the GTA who can barely figure out the difference between paper and plastic, let alone, understand the concept of recycling. Toronto only managed to implement a recycling program within the past few years, and even then it's a flop. Made up. Yeah, sure.

It's sad how there isn't a compost program for commercial and condos. And the recycling one isn't taken that seriously over here. Also plastic water bottles aren't recyclable like cans and glass bottles. I was at Trinity one weekend and this older lady came by to pick up empty bottles/cans for recycling, I handed her a bag with some bottles and cans and she threw the water bottles back at us and said she can't get any money from these. I was shook.

[bcrdukes]

I was shook.

WTF TOS'd? Did you get COVID-19 or some shit? Jesus Christ.

[TOS'd]

WTF TOS'd? Did you get COVID-19 or some shit? Jesus Christ.

I thought that was what the kids said these days. Should I have used shookith?

[hud 91gt]

I went to our family cabin last week with my wife (she had a week of vacation and 3 weeks of Emergency operations since this started) . I left once to go to the grocery store. Rest of the time doing spring landscaping. So the Facebook haters can screw off lol. I also had to take the ferry. Your not allowed out of your car (except bathroom) and you tap your CC to get on. So anyone who’s been out and about more then 3 times total this week (I will have been in my car three times including travel to and from and the grocery stop) can screw off. Everyone else..... give it to me. But besides that, I was here before any warnings for the long weekend. Lol.


But on that note, by far the best setup in the local grocery store.

Portable handwashing station outside. Then you grab your sanitized cart. On checkout, they fully wiped down each checkout station (entire belt, checkout stand etc) between each customer. Amazing.

[batshitcrazy]

More groups are eligible for testing now.

[welfare]

A message from the prime minister of sint maarten.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lNm31rnJauU

[BIC_BAWS]

They really can't stop you if you are traveling within Canada. Locals might give the cold stare or swear and yell but can't really stop you from traveling to their community and on public place. Is like stopping from people Coquitlam going to Stanley park or Waterfront. As long as people follow the social distancing policy in place is fine.

Don't you have COVID-19?

Even if he doesn't, he does have a bad case.......


His wife.

[StylinRed]

The great example they had was Tofino.. they said PLEASE don't come.
1) their facilities aren't fit for having ventilators and man, it would be tough for the community to deal with influx of people... i feel for them.

Just like Alice Lake + all these public parks... no one says you can't go to them via walking... they really don't want people to be doing crazy 2 day hikes and stuff. bravo to all the park rangers for doing their part.

My friends a park ranger, and I would say he's unreasonably scared of contracting covid, and that's me being locked at home, and wearing masks, gloves if I can't avoid going out, and disinfecting the whole mudroom everytime.

He's afraid that his newborn, and wife with preexisting conditions, will contract the virus, so they're on lockdown at home, but because he has to work, he refuses to go home, he's just been staying at some mountaintop station, or in his truck, because hes encountering so many hikers and campers daily, and he says theyve already had a campsite with confirmed covid cases, so he hasn't seen his family in weeks now

People need to start thinking about how their actions affect others, instead of worrying about their own fun

[Bouncing Bettys]

https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1248814741893476352

[SkinnyPupp]

He makes good points but it should be made clear that not all wet markets sell wild animals, or even live animals (aside from seafood). They just need to control the amount of live animals that are being kept together.

Of course since that's not a direct threat to the party, it won't really be done.

[bobbinka]

Wet markets exist all over the world, not just China. It's part of the regular day life of many people and a multi billion dollar industry. It's not disappearing over night.

Even if they were all shut down, the demand for the animals in question doesn't just magically go away. It'd effectively drive the market underground, making it even worse and more difficult to deal with if an outbreak occurred.

Getting rid of the markets won't solve the problem. Realistically, what's needed is better regulation and control. Ideally, there needs to be better education which would then reduce the demand, but I guess that story doesn't get as many likes/retweets.

Also, bats are eaten in other countries as well. I bet most people didn't even know anything about bats before this pandemic. Had they been travelling and were told it was a delicacy, some people would've probably tried it.

[SkinnyPupp]

Eating Bats is just a joke, and a meme to represent the overall absurdity and "wrongness" of wildlife trade. Don't take it too literally.

Can't get rid of markets, but you can regulate them. In Hong Kong, live chickens can no longer be (https://www.legco.gov.hk/yr03-04/english/panels/fseh/papers/fseh0402-avian-e-scan.pdf) in the customer areas, since the bird flu breakout. Slaughtered chickens only. So now, HK markets only carry slaughtered animals, except seafood (and the occasional frog or turtle).

China could just enforce the same thing. They have power over their people like nobody else in the world. It's just a matter of, how much do they care? If they can "pass the blame" for this onto another country, "saving face", don't expect them to do anything about it. Also as discussed before, they will do anything to protect TCM. They want it to be the de facto medical standard in developing nations. Barring wildlife trade goes directly against that.

[hud 91gt]

https://youtu.be/_WqtBb9lVxo


I don’t agree with everything this guy says (like Germany vs unhealthy US population) but I do think a lot of people should think about this.

[SkinnyPupp]

I will never click play on a youtube video that has a "shocked look face" on the thumbnail, sorry. 9 times out of 10 it's going to be pure trash

[welfare]

Wow. A second honest article from the CBC in as many days? Color me surprised.
Makes you wonder why we need to bother paying Hajdu and Tam. Might as well just refer to the WHO directly.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-canada-federal-response-1.5529263

[hud 91gt]

I will never click play on a youtube video that has a "shocked look face" on the thumbnail, sorry. 9 times out of 10 it's going to be pure trash
Your right. Full of nonsense 😉, but you’ll never know.

[SkinnyPupp]

Your right. Full of nonsense 😉, but you’ll never know.
Maybe if he made some really good points, you could write a couple here? :D

[hud 91gt]

It has nothing to do with downplaying the virus itself. It has basics on the logic behind flattening the curve, your standard statistics on actual deathes caused by the virus vs others and flaws in the healthcare system as a whole.

The virus is real. The fear of the public is wild. We can’t eradicate the virus until we all get a proper vaccine or we all get the virus. Pretty simple stuff.

I just think people need to rationalize their fears.

[Ludepower]

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/12/man-filmed-spitting-elevator-panel-vancouver-building-apologizing/

Condo life. Mecannica condo in OV. Has ongoing strata complaints about throwing garbage in his neighbors balcony. The reason why he spit on the elevator buttons.

Wonder if we can charge him for domestic terrorism.

[westopher]

Getting caught sure does make it a lot easier to be “sorry” doesn’t it.

[GS8]

After years of condo living, I can simplify it to a single image

https://www.pngkey.com/png/detail/946-9468222_del-monte-sweet-peas-canned-peas.png

[MG1]

Can of worms?

[Mr.Money]

appears amazon shipping is taking sweet fucking forever....anyone else?

[Manic!]

Wow. A second honest article from the CBC in as many days? Color me surprised.
Makes you wonder why we need to bother paying Hajdu and Tam. Might as well just refer to the WHO directly.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-canada-federal-response-1.5529263

I thought CBC was fake news. Same thing in the US .

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/politics/anthony-fauci-pushback-coronavirus-measures-cnntv/index.html

Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday that calls to implement life-saving social distancing measures faced "a lot of pushback" early in the US coronavirus outbreak and that the country is now looking for ways to more effectively respond to the virus should it rebound in the fall.
"I mean, obviously, you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives," Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" when asked if social distancing and stay-at-home measures could have prevented deaths had they been put in place in February, instead of mid-March.
"Obviously, no one is going to deny that. But what goes into those decisions is complicated," added Fauci, who is a key member of the Trump administration's coronavirus task force. "But you're right, I mean, obviously, if we had right from the very beginning shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different. But there was a lot of pushback about shutting things down back then."

[HonestTea]

appears amazon shipping is taking sweet fucking forever....anyone else?

Yep. Prime is not exactly worth it during this time since everything is delayed.

They should really discount prime for the time being.

[welfare]

I've noticed when the weak minded have nothing to defend Trudeau with, they revert to Trump.
Prime example:

I thought CBC was fake news. Same thing in the US .

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/politics/anthony-fauci-pushback-coronavirus-measures-cnntv/index.html

[SkinnyPupp]

I thought CBC was fake news. Same thing in the US .

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/politics/anthony-fauci-pushback-coronavirus-measures-cnntv/index.html
Getting quite tired of these constant confrontational posts from you that do nothing but try to rile people up and take over the thread with pointless arguing. Take a break from the thread for a few days.

[Hondaracer]

I can’t remember if it was on John Oliver or somthing else I watched but some people seem to recommend a strategy of “pumping the breaks”

Ie. letting smaller outbreaks happen while loosening constraints, tighten them to deal with the outbreak then re-open the constraints until a rise is seen

Seems reasonable if it could be implemented

[hud 91gt]

Is that not what’s happening more or less?

They know the rate of change to an extent. Measures are put in place to keep hospitals at a reasonable level. If they really wanted cases to come to a near halt they would improvise more strict measures. Keeping severe cases at a max capacity of our hospitals is going to be the fastest way through. Why do you think it took so long for measures to be put in place in the first place? I can’t honestly believe it’s due to complete incompetence.

[Hondaracer]

The problem even now with the relatively “loose” restrictions is that business are going to be dropping like flies.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah that's pretty much "flattening the curve" since the curve won't be zero.

The only goal is to not completely overwhelm hospitals... So "letting people get sick" isn't really a consideration - people are gonna get sick no matter what. But with strict social distancing measures, less of them will get it at once.

HK only had 4 cases yesterday - 3 imported and 1 local. So we're finally seeing the effect of the border stoppage 2 weeks ago. However the third wave will show us how many of those 2 weeks of imported cases have made local people sick, and how far it will spread from there. If people stuck to social distancing and wearing masks, the third wave should be relatively flat.

Singapore also closed borders around the same time, but they did not have strict social distancing measures or mask wearing, until this week. They had 191 new cases yesterday, mostly local.

The last 2 weeks in HK and SG told us quite a bit, and the next 2 weeks will tell us more. I just hope people are paying attention.

The main tool to flatten the curve is mask wearing in combination with border stoppage. If countries want to prevent a large second wave, they are going to need compulsory mask wearing in public, with similar social distancing they have now.

[hud 91gt]

But what’s the alternative?

Open everything up? (Maybe possible with a huge amount of PPE available, but it’s not)

Send the under 40 crowd to work?



This is going to be a pretty big learning experience, hopefully we can be a little better prepared next time. Nurses and doctors are heroes. But it’s not because they are working through this, that is what they signed up for. It’s because they have to work through this without proper protective equipment. You can only hope the people responsible will be the ones taking the blame.

[SkinnyPupp]

But what’s the alternative?

Open everything up? (Maybe possible with a huge amount of PPE available, but it’s not)

Send the under 40 crowd to work?



This is going to be a pretty big learning experience, hopefully we can be a little better prepared next time. Nurses and doctors are heroes. But it’s not because they are working through this, that is what they signed up for. It’s because they have to work through this without proper protective equipment. You can only hope the people responsible will be the ones taking the blame.
If any country is going to relax their Stay-At-Home orders, they are going to need to implement compulsory mask wearing. That means somehow get enough masks into the hands of people before doing so, or make the mask rules relaxed enough that any cover is allowed - even a t-shirt wrapped around your face.

Keep doing this until a proper vaccine is created. 1 year vaccine is wishful thinking IMO, and should NOT be rushed. The first SARS vaccine was abandoned after animal trials, in part because of funding but also it was absolutely destroying the lungs of the animals they were testing it on. I don't know if that means they would have had to go back to square one or what.

I've seen people say that early vaccines should be tested on healthcare workers, and that is literally the stupidest statement I've seen made regarding the virus, and that includes Trump.

So yeah... compulsory mask wearing for the next year or two until a vaccine is implemented

Either that, or this is just our new seasonal flu. Every year we just have to mask up to go out, and work from home becomes the norm for most people. This is a very real possibility.

[fliptuner]

COVID-19: City of Vancouver at risk of bankruptcy, says mayor

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-city-of-vancouver-at-risk-of-bankruptcy-says-mayor/wcm/8fd95f9e-2cd0-4d67-b83d-c19ee6fe284d/

[twitchyzero]

find that hard to believe when they use measuring tape for parking enforcement in kits and added meters in the residential side streets off fraser

[Badhobz]

If city of Vancouver is going bankrupt then it’s a complete mismanagement of their revenues. The mayor and councillors are either skimming off the top or getting screwed on the deals they are making.

Unionized employees don’t help but with the sheer amount of tax revenues I don’t see how they can possible be broke after just a few months.

[twitchyzero]

they've been riding off 30-40 years of massive property tax gains...if they ran with even half-assed efficiency they shouldn't be at an insolvency risk within 3 months (article says they already laid off 1500)

[Mr.Money]

officer Cain needs to step it up and get more noise complaint tickets parking outside car dealerships for the extra revenues ...

[MarkyMark]

Either that, or this is just our new seasonal flu. Every year we just have to mask up to go out, and work from home becomes the norm for most people. This is a very real possibility.

Personally I don't see that happening here. Maybe in Hong Kong they would consider it a normal thing to do but I really don't see BC implementing a 'mask wearing' season every year for good.

I can see strict measures until a proper vaccine is created but that really is the goal, get a vaccine and get back to the life we all know and love.

[welfare]

Not sure if this was posted already, but apparently toolbox and zep brand blue shop towels filter nearly as well as N95.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8187603/Designers-say-layers-blue-shop-towels-inside-cotton-masks-help-effectiveness-homemade-PPEs.html


Schmepf said that they came up with a list of materials ranging from coffee filters and Swiffer dusting clothes, to window shades and even material used in aviation, oil refinery and the medical fields.

They then bought a $1,400 Grainger particulate-counter device capable of measuring filtration down to 0.3 microns.

N95 masks - which hospitals are desperately in need of - effectively block about 95 per cent of particles that are 0.3 microns or larger.

The designers found that lining a cotton mask with two blue shop towels enhanced the mask's filtration rate up to 93 per cent when it came to 0.3 micron-sized particles.

Cotton masks alone, they found, filtered only 60 per cent of those size particles, Schmepf told Business Insider.

The two brands they tested and recommended were ToolBox's shop towel and ZEP's industrial blue towel. The also tested Scott-brand shop towels, but found they weren't as effective for filtration as the other two brands.

They are still testing the other shop towel brands on the market.

During their general material testing, the women also identified another fabric with solid filtration capabilities - towels made from polypropylene, which is used to clean industrial machines.

According to their tests, the masks made from this material held 95 per cent of their filtration abilities for up to three machine washes, making them 'semi-disposable' masks.

[Hondaracer]

Society would rather have people die than accept this as the “new norm”

It’s completely unrealistic to think this could be sustainable in the least. Everything from construction to elective surgeries being put on repeated, extended holds etc? It won’t happen. (Although as I type that I realize I didn’t take into full extent the viruses current state)

But I think If that’s what would happen the extent of the financial damage will be unimaginable.

For the vast majority of people the financial repercussions of this will be far worse than any human toll.

[Bouncing Bettys]

https://youtu.be/hsCo8w67FhE
Perhaps BC is also part of the Type A strain as the western US and that is partly why we have faired better than Ontario and Quebec who have Type B?

Thunderf00t explains how much of the population needs to adhere to quarantine measures for it to be successful and how import it is for money to be going to the middle class:
https://youtu.be/0ERi2cL730o

[hud 91gt]

You know the world is in trouble when society can’t last 2 weeks without pay before going bankrupt. ��

[1337]

COVID-19: City of Vancouver at risk of bankruptcy, says mayor

https://vancouversun.com/news/covid-19-city-of-vancouver-at-risk-of-bankruptcy-says-mayor/wcm/8fd95f9e-2cd0-4d67-b83d-c19ee6fe284d/

Could always start by fining people not physical distancing :rukidding:

[SkinnyPupp]

Personally I don't see that happening here. Maybe in Hong Kong they would consider it a normal thing to do but I really don't see BC implementing a 'mask wearing' season every year for good.

I can see strict measures until a proper vaccine is created but that really is the goal, get a vaccine and get back to the life we all know and love.
Hong Kong went through the same things with SARS. It wasn't normal then, and it didn't really become normal all of a sudden. Same as Japan, where mask wearing common even for "fashion" and simply keeping your face warm in the winter.

People adapt

Vaccine isn't automatic either. We have YEARLY vaccines for influenza which kills more people than C19, and does it every year, and it only reduces it by what, 30%?

The main thing we (may) have going with C19 is that it (may) not be seasonal (meaning it won't leap back and forth across hemispheres like influenza, staying alive and mutating every year)

Also a C19 vaccine (MAY) have potential to be used against all coronaviruses, including SARS and even the common cold.

It's all so up in the air, and we learn more every single day. There's no way to count on anything at this point. Just have to deal with it the best we can, day by day. For now that means stay home, and wear a mask if you have to go out. Wash your hands lots. Etc.

[SkinnyPupp]

My friend in Calgary got sick a week ago and was told to self isolate until he could get tested. 3 days later, he's getting tested right now, waiting to hear back from him on the results :heckno:

Drive thru testing:

https://i.imgur.com/p94caKL.jpg

[MarkyMark]

Hong Kong went through the same things with SARS. It wasn't normal then, and it didn't really become normal all of a sudden. Same as Japan, where mask wearing common even for "fashion" and simply keeping your face warm in the winter.

People adapt

Vaccine isn't automatic either. We have YEARLY vaccines for influenza which kills more people than C19, and does it every year, and it only reduces it by what, 30%?

The main thing we (may) have going with C19 is that it (may) not be seasonal (meaning it won't leap back and forth across hemispheres like influenza, staying alive and mutating every year)

Also a C19 vaccine (MAY) have potential to be used against all coronaviruses, including SARS and even the common cold.

It's all so up in the air, and we learn more every single day. There's no way to count on anything at this point. Just have to deal with it the best we can, day by day. For now that means stay home, and wear a mask if you have to go out. Wash your hands lots. Etc.

I agree right now the best thing we can do is stay home and do what we can. As you said though, the flu kills more people and it hasn't made people wear masks to avoid it. If anything, they'll develop a vaccine and then after that they'll let Jesus take the wheel and let the chips fall where they may as far as deaths go. The people who know they are vulnerable will take the necessary precautions and the rest of us will go on with life.

[StylinRed]

Neighbour is having a party :rukidding:

[westopher]

I’m less amazed that someone is retarded enough to have a party than I am that they know enough people that are fucking stupid enough to go.
If I were stupid enough to try and have a party there’s a good chance at least 99 out of 100 of my friends would tell me to go fuck myself.

[MG1]

^birds of a feather stick together................

[spoon.ek9]

Neighbour is having a party :rukidding:

police non-emergency line? that's clearly negligent behaviour. being socially distant outside is acceptable imo but a house party? hell no

[StylinRed]

Police are here, didn't need to call :lol

I was looking to see if we have a social distancing report line/app like they do in the states, but nope

It's teens/20s surprised their parents are fine with it, looks like a bday party

[highfive]

I don’t even know what to think, my neighbour came out to meet her friend and her boyfriend. She hugged her friend and offered her friend to try her vape pen. Her friend did and chatted outside for a while. I’m like sure no social distancing but wtf sharing shit now too? Lol

[Gumby]

Police are here, didn't need to call :lol

I was looking to see if we have a social distancing report line/app like they do in the states, but nope

It's teens/20s surprised their parents are fine with it, looks like a bday party
Did the party get disbanded?

If you don’t mind me asking, what neighborhood/city do you live in?

[320icar]

party every weekend at the house down the street from me. But to be fair it is a bunch of young people who live there (big house, maybe 8-10 people). No outside guests, just the residents. To someone from outside the neighborhoods it looks bad

[StylinRed]

Did the party get disbanded?

If you don’t mind me asking, what neighborhood/city do you live in?

This is out in Ridge

I think it was disbanded, the loud music, chatty voices, and cars are gone

[SkinnyPupp]

Were the police wearing masks?

[twitchyzero]

afaik police are still focusing on crimes like B&E

maybe if you see like 50+ together or a big public orgy i believe directing to city bylaws is more appropriate

[underscore]

Send the under 40 crowd to work?

I haven't checked the stats in a few days but weren't 40% of the hospitalizations in the US under 40's at one point?

[StylinRed]

Were the police wearing masks?

Couldn't see them, could only see their patrol car lights

[spoon.ek9]

party every weekend at the house down the street from me. But to be fair it is a bunch of young people who live there (big house, maybe 8-10 people). No outside guests, just the residents. To someone from outside the neighborhoods it looks bad

not trying to pick a fight or anything but it sounds like you're justifying this as ok somehow. am i missing something? unless they live together (literally in the same house) this isn't ok.

[MarkyMark]

not trying to pick a fight or anything but it sounds like you're justifying this as ok somehow. am i missing something? unless they live together (literally in the same house) this isn't ok.

That literally sounds like what's happening, 8-10 people who all live in the same house.

[fliptuner]

Could always start by fining people not physical distancing :rukidding:

No shit eh?

I read that breaking your 14 day quarantine, after you've arrived from abroad, could result in fine of $100 to $1M. I literally lol'd cause no one's getting fined for anything. Take StylinRed's neighbors - everyone who didn't live there should've got a $500 fine. Right now everything is just suggestions and threats, no teeth.

Edit. Just catching up on the day's news. The dude that spit on the elevator in the False Creek condo, was identified - where's his fine? Public apology and a donation to the strata to cover the cost of cleaning :fuckthatshit:.

[hud 91gt]

I haven't checked the stats in a few days but weren't 40% of the hospitalizations in the US under 40's at one point?

You may be right. The US population is a different breed of it own. Healthy young population isn't what comes to mind. Or mind you, maybe it’s all those Florida kids. Lol. Pretty sure the stats still show it isn’t the young dying.

[westopher]

not trying to pick a fight or anything but it sounds like you're justifying this as ok somehow. am i missing something? unless they live together (literally in the same house) this isn't ok.
He said that it's all people that live in the same house.

[StylinRed]

1 of the 500+ sailors who contracted covid aboard the US's Roosevelt has died (the captain of the ship was kicked out of the navy because he wrote a scathing letter for help)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52272249

[whitev70r]

^ US Navy ... China ... same.

Wuhan hospital announces death of whistleblower doctor Li Wenliang

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/asia/li-wenliang-coronavirus-whistleblower-doctor-dies-intl/index.html

[320icar]

not trying to pick a fight or anything but it sounds like you're justifying this as ok somehow. am i missing something? unless they live together (literally in the same house) this isn't ok.

I just said they live together.

[Teriyaki]

I just said they live together.

He was definitely picking a fight then. :smug:

[spoon.ek9]

ok, my mistake. i was interpreting that as kids living in the same neighbourhood, not the same house.

[HonestTea]

afaik police are still focusing on crimes like B&E

maybe if you see like 50+ together or a big public orgy i believe directing to city bylaws is more appropriate

There's a lot more police setting up speed traps and catching speeders now than before. I saw 5 different cop cars on my drive from New West to Steveston.

They should be focusing on breaking up these large gatherings and fining people for not social distancing/self-isolating.

[Mr.HappySilp]

There's a lot more police setting up speed traps and catching speeders now than before. I saw 5 different cop cars on my drive from New West to Steveston.

They should be focusing on breaking up these large gatherings and fining people for not social distancing/self-isolating.

But setting speed tracks is much easier to catch speeding drivers while trying to catching people not social distancing actually requires more work.

[AzNightmare]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1249449767404363776

FailFish FailFish FailFish

[BIC_BAWS]

https://twitter.com/DanDicksPFT/status/1249449767404363776?s=19

What a bunch of idiots "End the Lockdown" "dont drink the kool aid" people in Vancouver smh.

[AzNightmare]

https://twitter.com/DanDicksPFT/status/1249449767404363776?s=19

What a bunch of idiots "End the Lockdown" "dont drink the kool aid" people in Vancouver smh.

^ lol, ninja'ed!

[Mr.HappySilp]

-_- maybe if they get infected hospital and doctors should have the right not to save them. One less stupid in Vancouver that won't be missed.

[1337]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1249449767404363776

FailFish FailFish FailFish

Dude was probably first in line to apply for CERB while skipping his rent for as long as this lasts. Uninformed, selfish and brainwashed, where do these people even come from? It's unbelievable they exist :rukidding:

[unit]

^he's just trying to build up his brand. another alex jones wannabe. he's got a youtube channel and a website with dvds and tshirts for sale, as well as a donation link.

[T4RAWR]

https://twitter.com/DanDicksPFT/status/1249449767404363776?s=19

What a bunch of idiots "End the Lockdown" "dont drink the kool aid" people in Vancouver smh.

Buncha derps derping around Vancouver.

They should gtfo.

[320icar]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1249449767404363776

FailFish FailFish FailFish

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9470066688/hD75CEC11/fine-free-hgih-5s-dial-9-1-1-tell-police-get-up-here-quick-somebodys-about-get-killed-made-on-imgur

[welfare]

Some good news for Canada

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-health-canada-approves-new-rapid-covid-testing-kits/

Health Canada has approved a new rapid test for COVID-19 that can produce results in under an hour, which is expected to alleviate the pressure on public health laboratories and help circumvent testing kit shortages.

Ottawa-based Spartan Bioscience received approval on the weekend and will be ready to start shipping tests for the federal and provincial governments as early as Monday, said Paul Lem, the company’s chief executive officer.

[whitev70r]

Looks like the frequency of posts here on this thread has planked or flattened.

[spoon.ek9]

I'm most curious to see what kind of numbers we have 2-3 weeks from now after this long weekend. Numbers appear to be leveling off but we aren't at the point where things can be normal yet.

Numbers in BC in particular have been great. Good job to everyone who did their part so far!

[StylinRed]

BC ferries say ridership this long weekend was down 92% so that's good, but still higher than I expected

[J____]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1249449767404363776

FailFish FailFish FailFish

lol Seth Rogan replied to him. haha




"You’re a fucking idiot. Stay inside."

[Mr.HappySilp]

I am just more worry once city returns to normal who will still have a job to go to (those that have been laid off). That's the real test. I already know the coffee shop beside my apartment is folding for good after this (owner lives in the same building so when I saw him earlier I asked about it and he simply said he going to close shop after. The so call relief fund from the gov never help him one bit). Sad to see him go.

[Hondaracer]

Coffee shops and restaurants are the least of the concern with business loss.

So many larger business which do contract work for customers locally and abroad are not getting paid for work they’ve already done because companies want to hold their cash for as long as possible. These are companies that employs dozens if not hundreds of employees and they are all at risk of closing for good as most operate on tight margins as is.

[westopher]

Yeah things will never be the same. I’m very worried for many of my friends who went off and opened up restaurants of their own.
People NEED to consider where their money is spent after all this. They need to support the businesses they care about or will lose them forever.

[westopher]

Coffee shops and restaurants are the least of the concern with business loss.

So many larger business which do contract work for customers locally and abroad are not getting paid for work they’ve already done because companies want to hold their cash for as long as possible. These are companies that employs dozens if not hundreds of employees and they are all at risk of closing for good as most operate on tight margins as is.
You need to understand how many people in this country are employed by restaurants. You think I don’t have dozens of employees and tight margins?

[Hondaracer]

You need to understand how many people in this country are employed by restaurants. You think I don’t have dozens of employees and tight margins?

Yea poor phrasing on my part.

I’d say coffee shops, mostly due to the majority only serving coffee and pastries etc. And having lower numbers of employees aren’t the gravest concern (although many will lose life savings, livilhood etc. Their loss will be felt lighter) compared to restaurants where you have numerous tiers of employees, suppliers, etc.

This is the shift to the dystopian future where you only shop at Walmart and Costco and you either eat at Cactus Club or McDonald’s

We’ve been trying to support local by eating out a few times a week from our favourite spots but some have been closed completely for weeks now and I’m curious to see if they ever return :(

[Mr.HappySilp]

Coffee shops and restaurants are the least of the concern with business loss.

So many larger business which do contract work for customers locally and abroad are not getting paid for work they’ve already done because companies want to hold their cash for as long as possible. These are companies that employs dozens if not hundreds of employees and they are all at risk of closing for good as most operate on tight margins as is.

Is not just one coffee shops. Is many many mom and pop restaurants, coffee shops, bubble tea etc etc.

Just an example there is a few local sushi place I visit very frequent Matoi Sushi, Matsuzushi and Stem Japanese Eatery all are small local shops espcially Stem Japanese Eatery and Matsuzushi(this place is actually run by the owner and his wife). Sure you might want to say they hardly hire anyone, they don't do much for the economy. But there are many many shops like them. When you walk by/drive by you might see a lot of these small restaurant/coffee. Now just think if 30% of them shut down that's a big blow to the economy. They might not hire many people but they also order their grocery, material, pay tax to the gov. get people to go out and spend.

And to be honest most place that my wife and I go out to eat are these small mom and pop shop not Earls, Blue etc etc. I wish they don't have to go but some will shut down which is sad since they offer way better food than a chain restaurant.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Coffee shops and restaurants are the least of the concern with business loss.

So many larger business which do contract work for customers locally and abroad are not getting paid for work they’ve already done because companies want to hold their cash for as long as possible. These are companies that employs dozens if not hundreds of employees and they are all at risk of closing for good as most operate on tight margins as is.

Yea poor phrasing on my part.

I’d say coffee shops, mostly due to the majority only serving coffee and pastries etc. And having lower numbers of employees aren’t the gravest concern (although many will lose life savings, livilhood etc. Their loss will be felt lighter) compared to restaurants where you have numerous tiers of employees, suppliers, etc.

This is the shift to the dystopian future where you only shop at Walmart and Costco and you either eat at Cactus Club or McDonald’s

We’ve been trying to support local by eating out a few times a week from our favourite spots but some have been closed completely for weeks now and I’m curious to see if they ever return :(

Hope they return! Is going to be a sad day when some my favorite restaurant shuts down....

[winson604]

One thing I've noticed is the level of gratitude on tipping no matter the amount. Been getting a million thank you's when I'm tipping on take out right now where as before it would not have been the case. Chatting with owners of various shops some are in good spirits and are still managing to pay rent and turn a small profit but obviously at the expense of having to fire most of their staff and in some cases even having to bring their kids to work and turn the restaurant as their own little day care for the day.

[Mr.HappySilp]

So according to JT something for essential workers as well during his speech? Couldn't hear it clearly. If that's the case why not just give money to every Canadian that's over the age of 18? Much easier then what he is doing now.

[welfare]

Hope they return! Is going to be a sad day when some my favorite restaurant shuts down....

These businesses will all return... Eventually. Where there is a market, there is opportunity.

How quickly things bounce back will depend largely on the government's response to the economy.
That will probably be even more important than what their response to the virus has been.

[Jmac]

So according to JT something for essential workers as well during his speech? Couldn't hear it clearly. If that's the case why not just give money to every Canadian that's over the age of 18? Much easier then what he is doing now.
They should’ve just implemented universal basic income like some other countries did. We all know it was coming eventually anyways, now is probably the best possible time to do it.

[GLOW]

andrew yang knew what was up, don't mess with an asian man that likes math Kappa

[mikemhg]

My nurse GF was telling me again this morning, new patient in their COVID unit, false negative test 3 times in a row before coming back positive.

These tests really aren't that accurate, leading me further to believe we're simply all going to get this in some manner or another.

[6793026]

just shows how important it is to not just pop bottles of champagne and go party even thought you show symptoms but tested negatives. Trying to convince people but they still don't understand.

[JSALES]

Trump halts funding to WHO

https://globalnews.ca/news/6818210/trump-halts-us-funding-who-coronavirus/

[spoon.ek9]

Trump can blame WHO all he wants but he has played a huge role in their failure too. Just when it looked liked numbers in the US were heading in the right direction, today ends up being it's deadliest one so far. Almost 2300 have passed away in a single day so far FeelsBadMan

[Slifer]

So according to JT something for essential workers as well during his speech? Couldn't hear it clearly. If that's the case why not just give money to every Canadian that's over the age of 18? Much easier then what he is doing now.


Any details on this?

[SkinnyPupp]

Trump can blame WHO all he wants but he has played a huge role in their failure too. Just when it looked liked numbers in the US were heading in the right direction, today ends up being it's deadliest one so far. Almost 2300 have passed away in a single day so far FeelsBadMan
This doesn't absolve Trump, but he's doing the right thing.

It is pretty scary though, seeing the UN crumble. I mean they've basically been conquered by China at this point, which is in itself scary.

We're so used to peaceful times, every little thing leading the other direction is concerning.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/ChannelNewsAsia/status/1250020287413805057

Masks are now compulsory in Singapore, who were posting full page ads in the paper telling people not to wear masks a few weeks ago.

Huge loss of face that few governments would allow for, but they're doing it for the good of the people.

Every country will need to do this, or the virus will stick around pretty much forever.

I doubt we'll get a working vaccine for this for a long time, based on the research I've looked at. The "12 to 18 months" is wishful thinking, and even though researchers said this early on, we know how much else they got wrong since this is all so new to us. The type of vaccine they're researching for this is not the same recombinant type used for the flu. It's a genetic (DNA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_vaccination) or RNA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine)) vaccine, and so far there hasn't been one approved for human use.

[Hondaracer]

Well, forever it is then

[6793026]

So according to JT something for essential workers as well during his speech? Couldn't hear it clearly. If that's the case why not just give money to every Canadian that's over the age of 18? Much easier then what he is doing now.

Not a fan of just giving $2000 to everyone over the age of 18.

2 reasons
1) One need to contribute and earned over $5000 and paid taxes in 2019. Filters out paper delivery boy who earned $50 dollars and now gets a check for $2k; or anyone, say seniors. My mom and dad should not just be getting a free hand out as they are already getting CPP & old age pension.

2) Just to give $2k to people who are already working right now just doesn't make sense.

You can be bias all you want, not like we are swimming in a surplus in any way shape or form right now. Heck, look at Mr Klein in Calgary who handed out $400 to everyone... didn't really do jack shit and now in a deficit shit hole asking for bailout on Oil and Gas

[GS8]

This doesn't absolve Trump, but he's doing the right thing.

To add to this, he did say on April 1st that there would be 'Two weeks of Hell' and I would hope it doesn't get worse from here.

That W.H.O tweet saying there was no human to human transmission was a communicative virus.

[Hondaracer]

He pretty much took them to town in the address I heard it come up live on BNN and if the timelines he laid out are even close it looks pretty bad for them

Refusing to accept human to human transfer
Suggesting against closing borders and stopping flight traffic
Accepting Chinese numbers as the truth from the beggning

Etc

[donk.]

Was trying to figure out why liquor stores are open, looked it up:
Liquor stores are open because addicts will cause self harm without booze

I guess its time to make hard drugs legal now, to make sure they have a steady local supply

[quasi]

https://twitter.com/ChannelNewsAsia/status/1250020287413805057

Masks are now compulsory in Singapore, who were posting full page ads in the paper telling people not to wear masks a few weeks ago.

Huge loss of face that few governments would allow for, but they're doing it for the good of the people.

Every country will need to do this, or the virus will stick around pretty much forever.

I doubt we'll get a working vaccine for this for a long time, based on the research I've looked at. The "12 to 18 months" is wishful thinking, and even though researchers said this early on, we know how much else they got wrong since this is all so new to us. The type of vaccine they're researching for this is not the same recombinant type used for the flu. It's a genetic (DNA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_vaccination) or RNA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine)) vaccine, and so far there hasn't been one approved for human use.

I'm trying to be optimistic. I think one thing this vaccine (once found) has going for it that others probably did not is the amount of brain power working on it world wide and the funding thrown at it to try and find it as soon as possible.

[Hondaracer]

Was trying to figure out why liquor stores are open, looked it up:
Liquor stores are open because addicts will cause self harm without booze

I guess its time to make hard drugs legal now, to make sure they have a steady local supply

Honestly the way everyone is drinking I think shit would hit the fan if they closed down regardless of if you’re an a Alcoholic or not

[StylinRed]

Not a fan of just giving $2000 to everyone over the age of 18.

2 reasons
1) One need to contribute and earned over $5000 and paid taxes in 2019. Filters out paper delivery boy who earned $50 dollars and now gets a check for $2k; or anyone, say seniors. My mom and dad should not just be getting a free hand out as they are already getting CPP & old age pension.

2) Just to give $2k to people who are already working right now just doesn't make sense.

You can be bias all you want, not like we are swimming in a surplus in any way shape or form right now. Heck, look at Mr Klein in Calgary who handed out $400 to everyone... didn't really do jack shit and now in a deficit shit hole asking for bailout on Oil and Gas

The idea of universal welfare is that money will end up back in the economy/govts hands

The argument against is that ppl will hoard the money, or export it, but those are really only outlier situations

[spoon.ek9]

Well, another one falls.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/covid-19-virginia-pastor-who-said-god-is-larger-than-this-dreaded-virus-dies-from-coronavirus

[Teriyaki]

For us social drinkers, we've been sober for quite some time now

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm trying to be optimistic. I think one thing this vaccine (once found) has going for it that others probably did not is the amount of brain power working on it world wide and the funding thrown at it to try and find it as soon as possible.
That's just part of it. From there, they have to convince the entire world that it's safe to inject foreign DNA or RNA into their bodies, which has NEVER been done on humans in this format before.

You don't even need to be a nutjob antivaxxer to be wary of this. You'd be foolish NOT to be.

[quasi]

For us social drinkers, we've been sober for quite some time now

I consider myself a social drinker but I'm not going to lie I've been getting real social with myself the last 4 weeks.

I have 3 friends that I'd do happy hour with every 3-4 weeks at a random bar or restaurant. We're doing Happy House this Saturday via video chat...should be interesting.

[westopher]

I’m a one beer a night guy with a 5-6 beer night every couple weeks. Every night is a 3-4 beer night now. I haven’t seen anyone other than those I work with and my wife. I’m a social guy, and beer is definitely replacing some human interaction.

[320icar]

I’m a one beer a night guy with a 5-6 beer night every couple weeks. Every night is a 3-4 beer night now. I haven’t seen anyone other than those I work with and my wife. I’m a social guy, and beer is definitely replacing some human interaction.

ive been off for two weeks vacation. usually i dont keep beer in the house, right now im a 3-4 beer a night guy. just working on my motorcycle and drinking. thank god i go back to work tomorrow.

[SkinnyPupp]

Was never a social drinker, I prefer to make high quality cocktails at home that would cost me $20 USD each.

With my diet though I only get to fit in a drink here and there throughout the week, except on the biweekly cheat day where I go HAM.

This does help me appreciate the drinks more though SeemsGood Also I can get buzzed again.

[!LittleDragon]

It's like raaaaiiiiaaain.... on your wedding day...


Well, another one falls.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/covid-19-virginia-pastor-who-said-god-is-larger-than-this-dreaded-virus-dies-from-coronavirus