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Traum

10-13-2021, 06:05 PM

As SSM_DC5 has mentioned already:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/10/12/u-s-to-reopen-border-to-vaccinated-canadians-next-month/

Unlike air travel, for which proof of a negative COVID-19 test is required before boarding a flight to enter the U.S., no testing will be required to enter the U.S. by land or sea, provided the travellers meet the vaccination requirement, Higgins confirmed in a press conference on Wednesday.
Note that this is for entering into the US. At least for the time being, I think the current rules will still require Canadians returning to Canada -- regardless of method of travel -- to produce negative PCR test.

I wouldn't be surprised either way regardless of whether the Canadian rule (of negative PCR test) will be changed. Personally, I think it'd make more practical sense that no negative PCR test is required for land and sea crossings to make the border crossing even more of a clusterfuck than it would already be, but that would certainly increase the risks for local communities in both Canada and the US.

Where did you read this?

From my understanding, we'll apparently still require a negative PCR test prior to re-entry to Canada via land border.

If that's the case, you're pretty much fucked for a day trip down there.

Fucking ridiculous.

acrophobia

10-13-2021, 06:07 PM

RS - omg the states are so gross! Trump ruined everything! Conservative bastards!!!

RS - omg please please please can I line up for 5 hours and get a PCR test to save $5 on gas and buy a different flavoured mixed nuts

:troll:

RS - omg please please please can I line up for 5 hours and get a PCR test to save $5 on gas, buy a different flavoured mixed nuts, and pick up 18 months worth of parcels (that are hopefully still waiting for me!) :lol

Edit: I can’t even remember half of the parcels that I have sitting just across the line :D

westopher

10-13-2021, 06:11 PM

that would certainly increase the risks for local communities in both Canada and the US.
Would it really though? We have covid everywhere. The guy that came across the border that's fully vaccinated and asymptomatic is going to do the same shit those of us that are here and in the same state. It might be different if they are coming into a community that doesn't have covid, but it's everywhere, it's rampant, and the guy from down the street in the restaurant, hockey game, etc, is just as likely to have it as the guy that drove down from Seattle. If anything, the local guy is more likely to be socializing with multiple local people in high transmission circumstances.

Vansterdam

10-13-2021, 06:17 PM

lol trader joes gonna be lit

twitchyzero

10-13-2021, 08:23 PM

all dem car parts neglected

$150 testing or $300+ in duty/shipping :considered:

Hehe

10-14-2021, 09:22 PM

^ can you pick me up a milk chocolate bar with hazelnuts? Light blue package <3

The return of RS KK run?! :fuckthatshit:

Assuming they lift the requirements, I'd probably make a run down to Vancouver, WA to visit a relative since we haven't seen each other since the pandemic. I'd probably empty TJ so hard that people think I'm looting... just ask me for one after I make the run.

SkinnyPupp

10-14-2021, 10:20 PM

What's Trader Joe's? They don't ship to Canada?

68style

10-14-2021, 10:54 PM

It’s a sweet “organic” or independent style grocery store.

I saw the feds are saying they’re probably not gonna drop negative test requirements for returning Canadians… day trips are practically out of the question if that’s the case

StylinRed

10-14-2021, 11:08 PM

What's Trader Joe's? They don't ship to Canada?

It's owned by Aldi's

It's just like a Choices or Nesters market if you remember those

Nothing special, but hype has ppl hooked, and no they don't ship to Canada, some guy opened a store to resell their goods here, and aldis went nuts trying to stop him

westopher

10-15-2021, 05:46 AM

Their brand of sunscreen is the best I’ve ever used. I’d go there just for that..

donk.

10-15-2021, 06:54 AM

I guess if people are willing to drive 4 hours round trip to save 18c on gas, people are also willing to save 3$ on a gallon of milk and get some "non imported" starberries
:facepalm:

68style

10-15-2021, 06:59 AM

Well I don’t know where you live, but I usually go to PR to get packages and while I’m there take a 10 minute detour to fill up on gas… and Tsawwassen is less than 30 minutes drive.

whitev70r

10-15-2021, 07:54 AM

And some tacos what used to be off a truck at Chevron lot in Blaine but now they moved to a building (if they survived Covid that is). Or BBQ oysters at Drayton Harbour Oyster Company. Top off with soft ice cream at Edaleen. All within a big block of each other ... simple pre-Covid pleasures of life. Cheap gas is bonus after all this ... ha!

westopher

10-15-2021, 08:07 AM

I heard that taco place is still around and doing awesome.

SkunkWorks

10-15-2021, 08:31 AM

pastarocket

10-15-2021, 08:48 AM

Latest news from the White House about the fully opened land and air border:

The White House has confirmed the U.S. land and air border will officially open to fully vaccinated Canadians on Nov. 8.

Assistant Press Secretary Kevin Munoz confirmed the news in a tweet, that all foreign national travelers will have to be fully vaccinated to travel to the U.S.

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whitev70r

10-15-2021, 08:53 AM

Hit up Chuckanut for fresh oysters at Taylor Shellfish Farms too.

Well, that will require at least 650cc and a helmet to get the full pleasurable experience.

Traum

10-15-2021, 09:45 AM

I saw the feds are saying they’re probably not gonna drop negative test requirements for returning Canadians… day trips are practically out of the question if that’s the case
That just totally sucks. If one of the goals of the policy is to help the border communities revive their economy, keeping the mandatory negative PCR test is gonna kill all the day trips, and day trips / short trips are precisely the stuff that bolsters the border community economy. FailFish

JDMDreams

10-15-2021, 09:58 AM

^^ nah I doubt it, they are hungry for Murica money and will drop the requirements for our rights and freedom loving overlords

68style

10-15-2021, 10:20 AM

The Deputy PM was just on the news last night in response to the US initiative saying nope... she's not gonna play ball lol

JDMDreams

10-15-2021, 10:33 AM

They also said masks aren't mandatory, won't make a vaccine passport, and any vaccine is best vaccine:rukidding:

Hehe

10-15-2021, 11:56 AM

What's Trader Joe's? They don't ship to Canada?

The thing that separates TJ with other grocery stores is that they have a lot of "in-house" products where they approach (or vice-versa) a manufacturer to produce certain products to their specifications.

And often, they are just yummmm and you can't get it anywhere else.

Also, they have a lot of relatively cheap prepped, small pack veggies... those are godsend for working parents or people who like to get their hands oily but hate the food prep in the kitchen. It saves so much time and the portion is just right. Yes, it's more expensive, but you use it exactly to the amount prepared and nothing goes to waste.

Many of their products are also comparable to say Whole Food in quality. At least their lamb is always pretty good. I haven't ventured into steaks, but I've heard good things

In short, a hippie grocer.

Traum

10-15-2021, 12:07 PM

And often, they are just yummmm and you can't get it anywhere else.

^^ This

Before the pandemic closed down the border, didn't we have a Trader Joe's thread here on RS describing all the yummy finds that RSers like? I've certainly picked up more than a few items based on those recommendations.

Gosh... I am really craving for some of those TJ snacks now...

Hondaracer

10-15-2021, 12:37 PM

Called out my first clown of the entire pandemic today lol

Happened at My usual sushi joint in new west I go to, was finishing up eating and heard some old guy raising his voice to the young hostess because whatever had had wasn’t what she was asking for, he finally asks “What so I can’t dine here then?!?!?” She’s like no sorry and walked away, handled it about as well as you could

The guy is probably mid to late 60’s, typical kinda decrepit old white guy. I’ve been going to this place for like 3 years on a weekly basis and all the women who work front of the house couldn’t be nicer etc. so kinda pissed me off people giving them attitude.

The guy is out front kinda storming around digging in his wallet for whatever they asked for, I just walked by and said look bud this shit ain’t new don’t give them trouble, we’re 2 months into it. He kind is taken aback and tells me to shut up lol

I give him the old, simmer down “pops” you’ll throw something out, and smiled at him, could tell he was boiling over lol..hopefully didn’t go back in and make it worse for them lol
Fucking clown

CRS

10-15-2021, 01:08 PM

Presto

10-15-2021, 01:19 PM

I was at Moxie's the other night, and the manager was disappointed that people still don't get that they gotta have the vaccine pp and valid ID. Like a party of 20 comes in and 6 people don't have proper IDs. Party ruined because of idiots, and they leave a bad review because of consequences that they deserve.

Hondaracer

10-15-2021, 01:24 PM

Where's your sushi joint?

I'll likely drop by for some takeout sometime this weekend as I'll be in the area.

Sushi Well

It’s like 6th and 6th

mikemhg

10-15-2021, 04:17 PM

So the Federal government hasn't made any intention as of yet to remove the PCR testing requirement prior to re-entry by border crossing. Some have mentioned you can pay for the PCR test here in Canada before you drive down, as it qualifies as your test within a 72 hour window.

How fucking stupid is that?

As well, has anything been announced in terms how the US will confirm your vaccination status on the way down? Your provincial QR Code?

winson604

10-15-2021, 09:18 PM

Damn and here I thought I could do my late night drive over to point Robert's for parcels again but to provide a test to go over and back for 5 mins fuck no

SkinnyPupp

10-15-2021, 09:26 PM

How much is testing in Canada? Here's it's $240 ($40 CAD) for the government provided service, or around $400-$1000 ($60-160) for private tests depending on where you go

If it's around $40-60, don't you think that's pretty reasonable for a day trip to Washington during a pandemic?

BIC_BAWS

10-15-2021, 09:29 PM

It's $150

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twitchyzero

10-15-2021, 10:03 PM

If it's around $40-60, don't you think that's pretty reasonable for a day trip to Washington during a pandemic?

molecular test are not that cheap and we experienced it taking 4 days for a result down there, making it unusable for customs

if there is confidence in vaccines, they oughta drop the testing requirements

iTs nOT 1o0%..yeah because one can’t pick up the virus in that 72hours period either?

edit: in the other news of dr Henry banning gatherings of unvaccinated in the north, good luck with that

SkinnyPupp

10-15-2021, 10:16 PM

OK $150 and 4 day turnaround, I think complaints are valid

Hondaracer

10-15-2021, 10:37 PM

Vaccine passport and more deaths than ever per day, aigh aigh

BIC_BAWS

10-16-2021, 05:26 AM

Interestingly, the US offers it for free. At least the City of Seattle offers it for free with a 12 hour turnaround. I heard Walgreens offers it for free too. And this is the molecular version.

The US doesn't have free healthcare.. but free vaccine testing???

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pastarocket

10-16-2021, 08:41 AM

I am hearing on the news that some labs in Whatcom county in Washington state charge about $180 US (about 223 CAD) for a PCR test.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/10/15/us-border-bc-crossings/

westopher

10-16-2021, 08:57 AM

I wonder what the punishment will be for lying about vaccine status to the border officials. US is saying you won’t need to show proof of vaccination. Just say you have it and you may be subject to random screening, requiring you to show proof.

JDMDreams

10-16-2021, 09:07 AM

Isn't that the same as here? The regular Corona testing sites are free?

Hondaracer

10-16-2021, 09:28 AM

Lol this shit is so stupid. Just becoming about playing these political games..

How does it make sense that you don’t have to show proof of vaccination as you come and go but you’ve gotta get a fucking PCR test..

I know everyone shits on Aqualini but he was on the radio the other day talking about the Canuck’s etc before the season opener and he was kinda leaning into the reasoning the canucks are the only team in the entire league not to have full capacity is these political games they are playing on the provincial level. He didn’t say it directly but seemed to kind of hint Dix and Bonnie Henry just trying to flex on industries as opposed to following the “norm” that 30 other cities/teams are doing

mikemhg

10-16-2021, 10:55 AM

I hate to say it, but I'm starting to agree.

It does seem a lot of this is just political games and safety theater.

How does it make any sense that I can be tested up here in Canada, go down to the states, and as long as my test was taken within 72 hours, I'm good to go coming back?

I could easily carry COVID coming back, but as long as I pay Lifelabs $150 for a test, all good? Drop that damn requirement if I'm vaccinated.

What an utterly ridiculous and stupid system. Our government needs to pull their heads out of their asses at this point. Americans have been crossing the border and coming up here on trips since the goddamn summer (and going home with ease), why are we still beholden to this bullshit?

Traum

10-16-2021, 11:25 AM

Just to keep the facts straight -- currently, the PCR test requirement for re-entry into Canada is a federal directive. Blame it on Turdeau, Tam, Hajdu, etc., but not on Horgan, BH, or Dix. I think I heard on the radio in passing that Hulk Horgan is blasting the requirement as "stupid", and said he will talk to Turdeau about it.

There seems to be a lot of backlash towards the policy, so I suspect Turdeau will ease up on that in time.

mikemhg

10-16-2021, 02:37 PM

I'm def not blaming Horgan on that one, it certainly sits with the Feds. It's stupid, and they need to pull their head out of their asses already.

Many Canadians that are vaccinated enjoy taking a trip by car down south, if the PCR requirement is still in place upon the borders opening in November, that is a major failure by Trudeau's gov.

whitev70r

10-16-2021, 03:07 PM

Feds in Ottawa aren't familiar with Canada US border towns like YVR. Rules obviously made by some suits in an office.

donk.

10-16-2021, 04:05 PM

I would make a covid joke, but it would be tasteless

StylinRed

10-16-2021, 05:08 PM

I wouldn't mind a phased reopening of the border

Vaxxed only with pcr test returns = no short/quick trips

See how it goes, then consider removing the pcr test req

It's like Australia's phased reopening of international travel, only aussies at first, then later on, foreign workers and students, then afterwards foreign travelers (which sucks cuz I wanted to take my rents to Oz for the winter)

Teriyaki

10-16-2021, 05:11 PM

Same. A phased approach is a happy medium that would allow the people that are not essential travel, but also not " save a few bucks on gas" types to get through first. See family and friends or whatnot.

I know it won't be a popular opinion though because we opened up straight up to the states and they don't require the PCR test and its hard not to draw comparisons.

StylinRed

10-16-2021, 05:36 PM

Whoa I didn't realise Americans don't require a pcr test to drive up, that's fkd :lol

Manic!

10-16-2021, 10:46 PM

Read the whole thing.

https://i.redd.it/mvg1aggylwt71.jpg

SkinnyPupp

10-17-2021, 04:15 AM

It seems to me that the federal policy doesn't really take day trips to the US into account, because until now that wasn't possible. I assume they'll update it pretty soon.

Qmx323

10-17-2021, 05:59 AM

twitchyzero

10-17-2021, 03:50 PM

free rapid test on arrival, if positive result you get a call/text within 2 hours

that's how they do it in atlantic canada

StylinRed

10-18-2021, 05:00 PM

26 deaths over the weekend damn

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2021/10/18/bc-covid19-cases-weekend/

Hondaracer

10-18-2021, 05:29 PM

Vaccine passport working well

SkinnyPupp

10-18-2021, 05:54 PM

Is the inference that things would be the same or better without the passport?

Hondaracer

10-18-2021, 06:01 PM

Presumably better as it was an attempt to get the unvaxxed vaccinated. However the last month or so when the passport has been in place there have been more deaths per day than during the entire pandemic

Combo that with 84% or more of BC residents being fully vaccinated and still having restrictions on indoor gatherings and sporting events, I wouldn’t say it’s too succesful

westopher

10-18-2021, 06:03 PM

Yeah it's almost like we have a variant that's deadlier and more transmissible or something.

SkinnyPupp

10-18-2021, 06:09 PM

However the last month or so when the passport has been in place there have been more deaths per day than during the entire pandemic

That's because you're in the middle of a huge outbreak

Singapore is going through the same thing right now

All the vaccines and restrictions aren't going to solve covid. You need to manage it so it doesn't completely overwhelm hospitals

The only way to "cure" covid right now, in that you have zero cases in the local population, is to do what HK and China and to a certain extent Japan are doing now. Or what New Zealand did for most of it (but are changing their policy). Have an insanely strict quarantine and basically shut off the ability to travel.

Others, like Singapore, have taken to a "live with covid and manage it" policy. That's why they're getting numbers that are higher than even the peak in 2020

https://i.imgur.com/ctZGtOH.png

https://i.imgur.com/tIL9XVS.png

There are pros and cons to each policy... I can tell you as someone living in a place with zero covid cases, it's nice for peace of mind, but pretty annoying that I can't travel. Singapore people would probably tell you that having insane restrictions (groups of no more than 2 people, no dining out, etc) is pretty annoying. Much worse than having a vaccine passport. But they can travel. A lot of people here want to "let covid in" and accept more restrictions, in order to open the borders.

Singapore is having a lot of deaths, but if you look at the numbers, 100% of vaccinated deaths were people with pre existing conditions. 100% of the deaths without pre existing conditions were those who were not vaccinated. The death rate is 44X higher with non vaccinated people

Hondaracer

10-18-2021, 06:14 PM

SkinnyPupp

10-18-2021, 06:23 PM

JDMDreams

10-18-2021, 06:25 PM

Vege

10-18-2021, 07:13 PM

Middle of a huge outbreak?

You mean the same numbers of infections per day since July? There have been an average of 700 cases for the last 3 months. How does the passport manage infections if they are unchanged by it?

Im not so much hating on the passport as to just saying welcome to the norm because the people who listen are the ones who are vaccinated.

I think the passports were intended to allow those who are vaccinated to get back to some sort of normalcy by being able to do the same things pre-covid. People who aren't vaccinated will still get infected elsewhere besides places that I want to go to.

As a positive side effect, sure it would be great if the passport would motivate some of those who are on the fence to get vaccinated. There will always be the selfish anti-vaxers who will never listen. That's why there will always be covid numbers. They don't agree with taking the vaccine, but also don't care about staying isolated in their own homes.

Anyone have a list of all the big Employers of BC who are now requiring vaccination as a part of their employment? Curious to see what employment opportunities will be available in the future for those who don't have an exemption from being vaccinated.

JDMDreams

10-18-2021, 08:37 PM

^^ I guess they can be full time protestors :pokerface::awwyeah::troll::troll::troll::joy:

Hakkaboy

10-19-2021, 08:07 AM

I'm curious to know the reasoning, Ontario has 3 times our population but our case count each day is close to twice their number. Is it because they are more spread apart? I believe we have similar restrictions.

They (Ontario) had a mask policy for grade 1 to 12 as soon as the school year started.

In BC, it was only required for grade 5 to 12, until that recently changed on Oct 1.

Not saying this is the single sole reason, but the age group missed by BC are obviously all unvaccinated and now make up the biggest # of cases per capita and are at risk to spreading it to other people

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/worrying-rise-in-new-covid-19-cases-among-children-under-10-b-c-data-analyst-1.5600276

Traum

10-19-2021, 08:55 AM

Not saying this is the single sole reason, but the age group missed by BC are obviously all unvaccinated and now make up the biggest # of cases per capita and are at risk to spreading it to other people

Angus Reid released a survey result yesterday indicating that 1/2 of the parents (51%) plan to get their children vaccinated as soon as it is approved. But what was interesting -- or perhaps facepalm-worthy -- was, when they looked closer into it, 60-something percent of the university-educated parents were willing to do this, while only 40-something percent of the non-university-educated parents were willing to do the same.

I have been totally supportive of people getting themselves vaccinated, but I gotta admit that when it comes to children, there is a much bigger hesitation to get my kid to do that even though I'm still gonna do it. Esp for parents with boys, the carditis / pericarditis risks are real, although I have not been able to accurately gauge how big of a risk, or how common it really is. The news that I've seen from the medical community seem to suggest that the risks are quite low. But then there are at least several governments around the world who have -- perhaps only for the time being, but perhaps not -- chosen to not vaccinate their younger children yet. Seeing news like that stirs up hesitation and parental anxiety, and is not helpful in the vaccination effort.

320icar

10-19-2021, 09:42 AM

Hehe

10-19-2021, 10:00 AM

Yeah, I think the vaccine has too little study done (duh!) to show any confidence on the long-term effects of the vaccine, regardless of the brand/type, has on human body.

I'd skip it for now for the kids until a long-term study can be produced and peer-reviewed. Worst case scenario is that kids can't go anywhere public other than parks... :fuckthatshit: :fullofwin::ifyouknow:

MarkyMark

10-19-2021, 10:17 AM

JDMDreams

10-19-2021, 10:25 AM

I've heard the risks of not getting vaccinated for kids > than the symptoms of getting the vaccine. As lots of people have very long recovery periods, Corona symptoms, can't smell, weakened lungs. There still hasn't been much clear cut research, I guess it just depends on how it effects the individual.

So yes kids won't die but do you want them to be the new super spreaders and possibly have life long lingering effects if they catch Coronas?

I'm sure we all remember how dirty the playground/ kids are, some literally lick dirt off the ground. All you need is one sick kid and they all get infected, unless you don't send them to school.

inv4zn

10-19-2021, 10:25 AM

I always find it amusing when parents are so concerned about their children's wellbeing but when it comes to their own health they couldn't give a fuck lol. People willingly took a shot without hesitation, in most cases urging other people to do it as well and getting upset if they didn't. Now suddenly it's "well there's not enough data" when it comes to their kids getting it.

That's a bit unfair, children are inherently different than adults. As a parent I'd rather have side effects from the shot than my kid, I know I can deal with it and I'm not sure if they can, yet. It stems mostly from the age, not so much because of the hesitancy around the vaccine. I'd still get it for her though if her age group was approved.

Also, this is a bit tangential, but all parents will inherently have a bit of unreasonable illogic when it comes to their kids. There's no reason why I drink the plebian Dairyland milk at home while the baby gets Avalon organic whole milk from a glass bottle, but we do it anyway lol.

Traum

10-19-2021, 10:37 AM

Don’t children have like a 99.7% recovery rate even when unvaccinated? Someone can correct me on the number cuz I don’t remember. Don’t get me wrong I fully support the school mask mandate since they can still carry/spread it.

But although I’m willing to risk myself for the vaccine, I know what you mean about being more cautious with a child
"Recovery rate" (from COVID) on its own means very little to me because it gives no indication of how the person might still be affected after the initial COVID infection has run its course through the person. There can be post-COVID complications, including long COVID, and those are really the issues of concern for me. This is especially true for children, with MIS-C, COVID toes, etc. being discussed to some extent in the news. But again, I can't seem to get a good grasp on how common they are. Knowing a ballpark percentage figure would be a lot more helpful.

For example, it seems to me that long COVID tends to affect 30 - 40% of people who have had COVID to some extent. That sounds like a really bad percentage to me, so it makes the decision to get vaccinated pretty straightforward. But what do you do when you don't have enough information to make an informed decision?

I always find it amusing when parents are so concerned about their children's wellbeing but when it comes to their own health they couldn't give a fuck lol. People willingly took a shot without hesitation, in most cases urging other people to do it as well and getting upset if they didn't. Now suddenly it's "well there's not enough data" when it comes to their kids getting it.
Are you a parent, Mark? If you are, it might be easier to understand why parents behave that way.

Like I've said earlier, the carditis and pericarditis are real because they have been observed among clinical trials in younger children. We know it mostly and disproportionally affect boys. I'd be less concerned and more willing to get my child vaccinated if she is a she. But for parents with boys, I just don't have enough information to make an educated guess on how the risks compared to the benefits.

As for my own decision to get vaccinated, that one is based on scientific evidence. First of all, I trust our scientists and doctors -- most of the time. Secondly, by the time I was eligible for the COVID vaccine, there were literally already millions and billions of people who have already taken it. So I figure my risks of the vaccine going wrong are fairly low lol~ :lol

Hondaracer

10-19-2021, 10:52 AM

Can’t really blame people for being hesitant when 12-16 months into the vaccination program countries are now pulling the vaccines you were told were safe etc.

MarkyMark

10-19-2021, 11:00 AM

Are you a parent, Mark? If you are, it might be easier to understand why parents behave that way.

Like I've said earlier, the carditis and pericarditis are real because they have been observed among clinical trials in younger children. We know it mostly and disproportionally affect boys. I'd be less concerned and more willing to get my child vaccinated if she is a she. But for parents with boys, I just don't have enough information to make an educated guess on how the risks compared to the benefits.

As for my own decision to get vaccinated, that one is based on scientific evidence. First of all, I trust our scientists and doctors -- most of the time. Secondly, by the time I was eligible for the COVID vaccine, there were literally already millions and billions of people who have already taken it. So I figure my risks of the vaccine going wrong are fairly low lol~ :lol

I'm most definitely not, which admittingly gives me a different perspective on the situation. My comment stems deeper than the vaccine though, since most of my friends now have children you tend to notice things. A lot of parents sacrifice their own health (eat like shit, never exercise, always sleep deprived) for the kids. I'm sure once you have kids it's more understandable, but from the outside looking in you think "wouldn't the best thing for the kid be living as long as possible for them by taking care of yourself as well?"

Anyways that's my own selfish childless rant, not looking to start an argument on how people raise their kids.

inv4zn

10-19-2021, 11:04 AM

Can’t really blame people for being hesitant when 12-16 months into the vaccination program countries are now pulling the vaccines you were told were safe etc.

Again, misleading. I assume you're referring to Sweden and Denmark, who pulled Moderna out of precaution for young people only and instead giving them Pfizer.

In their statements they say they paused Moderna due to increased risk of heart inflammation shown in young people, but the risk of the same condition is 6x more likely from getting Covid itself, and to get the Pfizer shot.

FWIW this is the same reason Moderna is not approved for <18 in the US.

Traum

10-19-2021, 12:08 PM

Mark,

I am most definitely not looking for an argument either, and it is perfectly reasonable for non-parents to not understand the stuff that parents do to themselves in the name of "caring for their kids".

As a quick little blurb from me being a dad, I (obviously) love my kid, and want to provide the best of what I can to him. And when it comes down to it, there will be times when his well being is more important than mine. And a lot of times, there just isn't enough time, energy, money, or any combination of them to ensure everybody receives the level of care and attention they deserve, so the kid gets the priority.

It is really not that different from going to school full time while trying to balance health, social life, and school work. Or cars -- cheap, fast, reliable -- pick 2! You do the most of what you can with the hand that you've been dealt.
I'm most definitely not, which admittingly gives me a different perspective on the situation. My comment stems deeper than the vaccine though, since most of my friends now have children you tend to notice things. A lot of parents sacrifice their own health (eat like shit, never exercise, always sleep deprived) for the kids. I'm sure once you have kids it's more understandable, but from the outside looking in you think "wouldn't the best thing for the kid be living as long as possible for them by taking care of yourself as well?"

Anyways that's my own selfish childless rant, not looking to start an argument on how people raise their kids.

JDMDreams

10-19-2021, 03:00 PM

RS Corona meat?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-bc-update-october-19-1.6216724

"Hockey games, concerts, movie theatres back to 100% capacity for fully vaccinated people in B.C."

StylinRed

10-19-2021, 04:09 PM

Oh no imma have to go to the movies before they're packed again

JD¹³

10-19-2021, 09:13 PM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-bc-update-october-19-1.6216724

"Hockey games, concerts, movie theatres back to 100% capacity for fully vaccinated people in B.C."
Henry said that by ensuring only fully vaccinated people are allowed into more populated venues, the risk of transmission will be reduced. "We are not seeing transmission in those settings where the vaccine card is used, where people are checking vaccine status."

Yeah no shit Bonnie you weren't seeing transmission in those areas anyway even before people were getting vaccinated, because they're primarily attended by healthy young adults. VCH CMO admitted as such in the video I posted. This is a blatantly misleading statement and further coercion from this bureaucrat. Pardon me, "incentivizing" is the word they like to use for removing people's freedoms with admittedly no public health justification. Political bullshit. Sad sad times and I can't believe people support this.

Again, misleading. I assume you're referring to Sweden and Denmark, who pulled Moderna out of precaution for young people only and instead giving them Pfizer.

In their statements they say they paused Moderna due to increased risk of heart inflammation shown in young people, but the risk of the same condition is 6x more likely from getting Covid itself, and to get the Pfizer shot.

FWIW this is the same reason Moderna is not approved for <18 in the US.
His post isn't misleading at all, in fact you prove him right with your last statement. How many times did the Canadian government change the safe ages for AZ? At least once if not twice after it really hurt some people. Remember when they said mixing doses was OK and now it's a crapshoot as to where that will allow you to travel? How long did they ignore the side effects from Moderna in young men? They still are because in Canada they continue giving it to anyone 12+ (https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/moderna.html). Moderna has 3x the active mRNA of Pfizer which is why young people with strong immune systems are having such reactions. It's a temporary autoimmune disorder! The possibility of scar tissue in the heart is no joke, it will cut people's lives short down the line. So no, you can't blame people for being hesitant in all this.

inv4zn

10-20-2021, 07:37 AM

His post isn't misleading at all, in fact you prove him right with your last statement. How many times did the Canadian government change the safe ages for AZ? At least once if not twice after it really hurt some people. Remember when they said mixing doses was OK and now it's a crapshoot as to where that will allow you to travel? How long did they ignore the side effects from Moderna in young men? They still are because in Canada they continue giving it to anyone 12+ (https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/moderna.html). Moderna has 3x the active mRNA of Pfizer which is why young people with strong immune systems are having such reactions. It's a temporary autoimmune disorder! The possibility of scar tissue in the heart is no joke, it will cut people's lives short down the line. So no, you can't blame people for being hesitant in all this.

It's misleading in the sense that he took an entire article and truncated it into 10 words with no context.

My issue is you somehow expect scientists to know the answer to everything and every possible scenario and when they make changes to policies based on new information, the pitchforks come out. Then there's the fact that this has been politicized to shit now, and it's just making things worse.

Lastly, I understand the hesitancy. But antivaxxers are always spewing random statistics like 0.03% mortality rate! natural immunity is 10x better! But they conveniently ignore the statistical risk of myocarditis due to the vaccine, which is actually lower than getting myocarditis due to covid. I donno, you make your own decisions.

westopher

10-20-2021, 08:05 AM

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/edmonton/2021/10/4/1_5610976.amp.html
EDMONTON -- As revelations emerge about the Edmonton Oilers' only player still unvaccinated against COVID-19 developing myocarditis, an Edmonton cardiologist wants you to know your risk of dealing with the same heart condition.
On Sunday, Oilers head coach Dave Tippett told reporters that it's believed forward Josh Archibald, 28, developed myocarditis because of an asymptomatic case of COVID-19 that initially went undetected over the summer.

Archibald joins his teammate Alex Stalock on the injured reserve, who is also sidelined indefinitely with myocarditis after a case of COVID-19.
Myocarditis is a term that refers to inflammation of the heart muscle.
According to Dr. Ian Paterson, a cardiologist with the Mazankowski Alberta Heart Institute, the most common cause of the condition is a virus like COVID-19.
"Myocarditis related to COVID, related to the virus itself, is said to effect approximately five to 15 per cent of people who have been sick with the virus," Dr. Paterson told CTV News Edmonton on Monday.

That's a 10,000 fold greater risk of getting myocarditis from the virus, we think, than from the vaccine," said Dr. Paterson. "So absolutely we think that the vaccine will protect people from the virus and getting myocarditis from the virus."
Dr. Paterson said while being vaccinated against COVID-19 greatly reduces the risk of getting the disease, experts don't yet know if myocarditis is less likely to occur from breakthrough infections of COVID-19.
Last week, the Ontario government recommended people between the ages of 18 and 24 receive the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine instead of Moderna because of an observed increase of cases of myocarditis.

While the prognosis for people with COVID-19-related myocarditis is generally good, Dr. Paterson said it's recommended that physical sports be suspended for three to six months for people with the heart condition.
"Myocarditis related to virus, including COVID, we think are self-limited, meaning that people do expect a complete recovery of their heart," he said. "There is, however, concerns about athletes returning to play after they've had myocarditis."
"It's an injury to the heart," he said. "It's causing some inflammation of the heart muscle and there's a risk that if you're stimulating the body and, you know, exercising and having a lot of adrenaline pumping through you, that it could irritate the heart."
On Sunday, Tippett said Archibald is still receiving multiple medical tests and there's no timeline for his return.

It’s so convenient how the arguments against the side effects of the vaccine always leave out the side effects of the virus.
It’s always old people this and comorbidity that, yet here we are with literally one of the worlds top athletes suffering from these effects.
That’s the thing about stats. You can ignore as many of them as you want to paint the picture you want, but it won’t make you right.

Hondaracer

10-20-2021, 08:12 AM

westopher

10-20-2021, 08:17 AM

Pretty shitty odds if you consider what was sacrificed since March 2020 to get to that number.
Having concerts, full capacity events, travel, etc going back to normal isn’t going to reduce those chances.

westopher

10-20-2021, 08:30 AM

I can do the math if you want.
If you have a 10000 fold greater risk of getting myocarditis from covid, you have only a 3% chance of getting covid.
That leaves you with a 300 fold greater risk of getting myocarditis from covid, if the chances of transmission don’t increase.
Being that about 20% of our population is accounting for 80% of that 3% chance, seems like being unvaccinated that risk of getting covid will substantially increase, no?
It’s all math, the numbers are all there, but you need to take the stats in front of you and go deeper if you want the real answer.

inv4zn

10-20-2021, 09:27 AM

:facepalm:
Why do you think the chances of catching covid is so low in your bubble that is BC? Why is it that serious cases are even lower? Just look a little deeper, you're so close to the answer.

The fact is that a lot of what antivaxxers are saying is purely because we live in BC (and even Canada, arguably). Having a somewhat competent government that listens to science, a significant population of responsible people following health protocols and getting the shot has allowed them to downplay this whole thing like it's nothing. Then they go stand in front of hospitals with misspelled signs and allusions to the holocaust. The result of stupidity and entitlement in one ugly group. The numbers shift dramatically if you look east of us, even more so if you look south, and greatly so if you look at other countries.

That 'tyranny' you yell so loudly about? Yeah that's actually helping you. The 'sheep' doing things they're asked? Same, helping you.

1/500 Americans have died because of Covid...think Americans are liking their odds?

JD¹³

10-20-2021, 10:36 AM

My issue is you somehow expect scientists to know the answer to everything and every possible scenario and when they make changes to policies based on new information, the pitchforks come out. Then there's the fact that this has been politicized to shit now, and it's just making things worse.
The problem isn't the scientists doing the best they can it's that policies are being made based on politics, not the data.

Lastly, I understand the hesitancy. But antivaxxers are always spewing random statistics like 0.03% mortality rate! natural immunity is 10x better! But they conveniently ignore the statistical risk of myocarditis due to the vaccine, which is actually lower than getting myocarditis due to covid*.
* if someone is infected and has noticeable to strong symptoms - the vast majority of people have been asymptomatic. Don't lump hesitant people trying to make the best informed decision they can as anti-vaxxers (like some people in this thread are), it's very disingenuous when there is substantial evidence of the mRNA vaccines doing harm.

Westopher - there will always be outliers. There are elderly people who've been on ventilators but survived as well.

68style

10-20-2021, 10:55 AM

westopher

10-20-2021, 10:59 AM

I’d like to see evidence of the MRNA vaccines being more likely to produce negative side effects over the chances of COVID producing those same side effects, even adjusted for likelihood of actually catching COVID.
It’s like not stopping at a stop sign because you were rear ended. Is there a possibility of a car accident if you stop there? Absolutely. Do the chances of an accident go up exponentially if you run every stop sign on the way to work? Absolutely.
There are no sure things in life, but when your faced with two potential negative outcomes you need to have an understanding of the likelihood and severity of the consequences of each option.

Hondaracer

10-20-2021, 11:15 AM

What’s the hesitancy over though?

You’re making an informed decision right?

The information is here for you.

It’s significantly more dangerous to get Covid than to get the vaccine. The math and science both support it. End of discussion.

So where’s the hesitancy over an informed decision knowing this? Knowing the above and still not getting it now means you’ve transitioned into antivax by default as there’s nothing left to logically be hesitant about.

You don't like Moderna? Get Pfizer. It's so simple.

Didn’t have that option. It’s nice to dream up hypotheticals in hindsight but all most of us could do was pray for was getting the same vaccine for the second dose as the first.

After all said and done not exactly thrilled with getting Moderna. And what now? I’m gonna get a booster of something different when that’s required? It wasn’t really a decision more than a forced choice. Not getting vaccinated wasn’t a choice if you want to participate in society, stay employed etc.

Traum

10-20-2021, 11:21 AM

No one ever seems to mention that the chance of even catching Covid is like 2%? Lol a serious case in the 0.000 range?

Adrian dix always spouting off about 40% higher chance of ending up in hospital unvaccinated, however less than 3% of BC’s population has contracted a confirmed case in the entire 2 years of Covid. Pretty good odds If you ask me

So yea, the chances of having heart issues related to Covid are higher than that experienced with the vaccine. However the chances of even catching Covid are minuscule.

I’m sure anyone who got myocarditis from the vaccine and potentially shortened their life is just happy that “did their part”
Dude, do you really needed to be reminded of how things initially played out in Wuhan, India, and a few other hard hit places at the start of the pandemic?

It is exactly as inv4zn has said -- we only have this 2% chance to catch COVID over the course of the past 20 months (give or take?) precisely because Canada / BC took mitigation measures to keep a lid on the disease. Everywhere you look in Canada -- everywhere in Alberta except for Calgary and Edmonton, SK, east Fraser Health Region, northern BC now -- wherever there are low general vaccination rates, COVID rates spike, and hospitals get overwhelmed.

whitev70r

10-20-2021, 11:38 AM

One side effect of vaccine that doesn't often get mentioned here (probably because most on the board are XY) but has any of your SO (or sister, mom, or XX friends) experienced change in menstrual period. Many anecdotal stories about that.

inv4zn

10-20-2021, 11:47 AM

The problem isn't the scientists doing the best they can it's that policies are being made based on politics, not the data.
This is a bit loaded, as scientists aren't politicians and therefore not in a position to make policies. The politicians take what scientists say, take other measures such as economics, legality, and make policy. I've given you the benefit of the doubt here, if you're talking about "data" written by chiropractors on online blogs, then...

* if someone is infected and has noticeable to strong symptoms - the vast majority of people have been asymptomatic.

Please show me how you know "vast majority of people have been asymptomatic." Fraser health was always get tested only if you show symptoms. Since according to the BC Dashboard 790,074 people out of a million have been tested, I'm going to call you a liar on that one.

Don't lump hesitant people trying to make the best informed decision they can as anti-vaxxers (like some people in this thread are), it's very disingenuous when there is substantial evidence of the mRNA vaccines doing harm.

I have no issue with people trying to make the best informed decision, in fact I encourage it. My issue is the "best informed decision" is pretty clear, because you know what else there is substantial evidence of? The negative aspects of catching Covid. Also I'm inclined to argue the evidence of mRNA vaccines doing harm is not substantial, and any such evidence ALL include clauses that still they should get vaccinated because the pros outweigh the risks.

And since you're not anti-vax, if you don't want the mRNA, get the AZ shot then.

JD¹³

10-20-2021, 12:36 PM

This is a bit loaded, as scientists aren't politicians and therefore not in a position to make policies. The politicians take what scientists say, take other measures such as economics, legality, and make policy. I've given you the benefit of the doubt here, if you're talking about "data" written by chiropractors on online blogs, then...
No I'm talking about the data and contact tracing since March 2020 showing that all the places people are being restricted from are not high sources of transmission and that the Medical Officers of this province (and others) are ignoring that and making a Passport policy to coerce people to get vaccinated or not be allowed to participate in society. When it has no public health benefit but is being sold as such the passport is fundamentally wrong. There's no argument against that when the CMO's go against the scientific data and lie to the public. Again, go back a few pages and watch the VCH CMO say this in a recorded internal video meeting.

Please show me how you know "vast majority of people have been asymptomatic." Fraser health was always get tested only if you show symptoms. Since according to the BC Dashboard 790,074 people out of a million have been tested, I'm going to call you a liar on that one.
:facepalm: 60 seconds on Google would answer this for you from unlimited sources. Also you're misinterpreting that 790k number, look at the total number of tests (over 4 million) and know that people are being tested for all numbers of reasons and multiple times (work, travel, et al). Anyone who had a cold, flu, or general illness may have gotten a test and still only 198k have popped positive for COVID.

I have no issue with people trying to make the best informed decision, in fact I encourage it. My issue is the "best informed decision" is pretty clear, because you know what else there is substantial evidence of? The negative aspects of catching Covid. Also I'm inclined to argue the evidence of mRNA vaccines doing harm is not substantial, and any such evidence ALL include clauses that still they should get vaccinated because the pros outweigh the risks.
Thousands and thousands of serious side-effects reported worldwide isn't substantial harm? A hesitant person is deciding between running the gauntlet of even getting COVID and actually getting sick, or definitively running the gauntlet by injecting the vaccine. And people are for forcing option B on them through legislation.

And since you're not anti-vax, if you don't want the mRNA, get the AZ shot then.
Dumb final comment.

68style

10-20-2021, 12:54 PM

Didn’t have that option. It’s nice to dream up hypotheticals in hindsight but all most of us could do was pray for was getting the same vaccine for the second dose as the first.

After all said and done not exactly thrilled with getting Moderna. And what now? I’m gonna get a booster of something different when that’s required? It wasn’t really a decision more than a forced choice. Not getting vaccinated wasn’t a choice if you want to participate in society, stay employed etc.

How is it hypothetical, I'm not talking to 6 months ago you in my post? I was talking to buddy guy today. It wasn't a choice for the world to have COVID circulating around it either, so we have 2 shitty choices... do something to control a virus or let the virus control us. Nobody wants to take unnecessary medication, but China fucked up, the whole world got fucked and here we are.

My elementary school friend has a PhD in biochemistry, a company he's a controlling officer of is in the final stages of development for a drug to defeat esophagus cancer (I bet you'd be scrambling to take that if you had it!) and he got his first shot AZ as soon as it came out and MODERNA for his second shot. He was down in the USA recently for work and decided while he was down there just to cover his bases to get another 3rd shot of MODERNA so that he'd have 2 matching shots.

Completely unconcerned with the risks that are associated... why? Because he looked at the data and he's a scientist and a developer of vaccines/drugs himself and understands this shit at a much higher level than any of us do or ever will.

If that's not an informed decision I don't know what is.

inv4zn

10-20-2021, 02:52 PM

Dumb final comment.

haha ok, antivaxxer.

Hondaracer

10-20-2021, 03:32 PM

How is it hypothetical, I'm not talking to 6 months ago you in my post? I was talking to buddy guy today. It wasn't a choice for the world to have COVID circulating around it either, so we have 2 shitty choices... do something to control a virus or let the virus control us. Nobody wants to take unnecessary medication, but China fucked up, the whole world got fucked and here we are.

My elementary school friend has a PhD in biochemistry, a company he's a controlling officer of is in the final stages of development for a drug to defeat esophagus cancer (I bet you'd be scrambling to take that if you had it!) and he got his first shot AZ as soon as it came out and MODERNA for his second shot. He was down in the USA recently for work and decided while he was down there just to cover his bases to get another 3rd shot of MODERNA so that he'd have 2 matching shots.

Completely unconcerned with the risks that are associated... why? Because he looked at the data and he's a scientist and a developer of vaccines/drugs himself and understands this shit at a much higher level than any of us do or ever will.

If that's not an informed decision I don't know what is.

Two shitty choices is a good way to sum it up. I’m not anti vax or anti government but I’m certainly not happy the way any of it played out.

Teriyaki

10-20-2021, 03:35 PM

Let's just all agree that nobody is happy about any of this.

whitev70r

10-20-2021, 03:46 PM

^ Except Moderna and Pfizer ... big pharmaceuticals. They're pretty damn happy.

JD¹³

10-20-2021, 07:17 PM

haha ok, antivaxxer.
Ah yes, ignore the conversation and go to name calling when presented with facts you can't argue. I'm vaccinated, and you don't understand how to interpret the stats that were the basis of your argument LUL Slow clap.

Hehe

10-20-2021, 09:35 PM

Just to clarify, I'm not antivaxxer and not only am I fully vaccinated, I actually recommend anyone around me, including my parents to get vaccinated at the earliest date.

The reasoning is simple. The truth is, we don't know shit what these vaccine are going to do to us in the long term. And even the best experts in the world can only tell you their "best educated guesses" about them. There simply isn't enough evidence and data for them to make any conclusive opinion.

As an adult, I can live with whatever consequences of the vaccine, because it's a decision that I made for myself understanding the risks. But it's not the same for the kids. We are making the decisions FOR them. Yes, it's almost always for their best interest in the long run. But I dunno shit now. And even the best expert in the world cannot tell me everything that vaccine would do for us in the long run. When they have the studies done, I'd make an informed decision for my boys. Until then... :fuckthatshit:

inv4zn

10-20-2021, 09:47 PM

Ah yes, ignore the conversation and go to name calling when presented with facts you can't argue. I'm vaccinated, and you don't understand how to interpret the stats that were the basis of your argument LUL Slow clap.

K well maybe put the effort into proper formatting next time so the conversation can actually go on.

No I'm talking about the data and contact tracing since March 2020 showing that all the places people are being restricted from are not high sources of transmission and that the Medical Officers of this province (and others) are ignoring that and making a Passport policy to coerce people to get vaccinated or not be allowed to participate in society. When it has no public health benefit but is being sold as such the passport is fundamentally wrong. There's no argument against that when the CMO's go against the scientific data and lie to the public. Again, go back a few pages and watch the VCH CMO say this in a recorded internal video meeting.
Oh, this is about vaccine passports now? I thought your whole spiel was mRNA vaccines? But ok, let's pretend that's not gaslighting. Indulge me and show me that link with the VCH CMO, I must have missed it. Google didn't turn up anything either.

60 seconds on Google would answer this for you from unlimited sources. Also you're misinterpreting that 790k number, look at the total number of tests (over 4 million) and know that people are being tested for all numbers of reasons and multiple times (work, travel, et al). Anyone who had a cold, flu, or general illness may have gotten a test and still only 198k have popped positive for COVID. Spend that 60 seconds and find me a source that says "vast majority", or better yet, with a number. I'm not saying asymptomatic carriers don't exist, but it's not the vast majority. Let's look a little deeper into what you said: "People are being tested for all numbers of reasons", which is likely very true. You can pick a number, because any number you pick will just mean the % of positive cases from people that got tested with symptoms will go up in proportion. 1 million of the 4 million tests were due to other requirements? Ok, 198K positive out of 3 million instead. Now who's misinterpreting what? It's also probably safe to assume # of tests doesn't equal # of people, since one person can get tested multiple times. But since it's unlikely one person will count for multiple confirmed cases, the value goes up once again! Also..."only 198K have popped positive"...as if that's somehow a small number. That's a little more than the entire population of Coquitlam.
Thousands and thousands of serious side-effects reported worldwide isn't substantial harm? A hesitant person is deciding between running the gauntlet of even getting COVID and actually getting sick, or definitively running the gauntlet by injecting the vaccine. And people are for forcing option B on them through legislation.
Ok...but what about the thousands and thousands and tens and hundreds of thousands of millions of people who don't have serious side effects, and also are much better protected against covid? 4,927 adverse effects reported in Canada total vs. 2329 CURRENTLY in the hospital with 28644 cumulative deaths. Source is here: https://covid19tracker.ca/

Dumb final comment. Why? Your entire thing was about mRNA vaccines, until it was suddenly about vaccine passports. How will you deflect this time?

SkinnyPupp

10-21-2021, 06:46 AM

If you guys are looking for a vacation, Thailand is about to open up to Canadians

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1451196612508733447

westopher

10-21-2021, 07:11 AM

Weird. It seems to correspond to the worlds most vaccinated countries.
Thailand must be owned by Pfizer. WAKE UP!

Traum

10-21-2021, 07:20 AM

If you guys are looking for a vacation, Thailand is about to open up to Canadians

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1451196612508733447
Realistically, if you are already double vaxxed, which countries would you feel comfortable enough to travel to for vacation?

Last I checked, while Thailand's new COVID case counts are on a downward trend, their rate of new infections are still roughly 100% higher than Canada's on a per capita basis. IMO, a lot of the southeast Asian countries are opening up to recreational travel at least partly out of economic necessity. Admittedly, I am very much on the conservative side though.

On the travel related note, it looks like we (ie. BC) would have to go through a small mess with the new federal vaccine passport. FailFish

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2021/10/20/canada-covid-international-vaccine-passport/

It will be rolled out by the end of November, but some provinces are ready already. They include Ontario, Quebec and Saskatchewan. But those in Alberta, B.C., and Manitoba will have to wait a bit longer, according to officials.

In the interim period, officials say the provincial proof of immunization card will be accepted.

Why can't the federal and provincial govs make it easier for us average Joes?

westopher

10-21-2021, 07:24 AM

Because there are no average joes in politics. There needs to be an overhaul so that government has representation by demographic if we ever want them to really have any understanding of the average Canadian.
I don’t believe that every politician doesn’t care about the average Canadian, but I’d bet the vast majority certainly doesn’t understand the average Canadians life.

The Producer

10-21-2021, 07:25 AM

damn - this thread is pretty heavy lately.

Slight change of subject - a PSA that the flu shot is now available to anybody. Wife and I got ours at London Drugs last night - booked online - 2 day wait for an appointment after work but lots of day time slots available. In and out in less than 5 minutes.

Traum

10-21-2021, 07:36 AM

I hope people -- ie. BC residents -- realize that the flu vaccine is free this year, and will get vaccinated with it as a result. With something as common as the flu, I have always believed that it ultimately works out to be cheaper for the provincial gov if the flu vaccine is provided "for free", since the cost of healthcare when no free (flu) vaccine is provide will likely be more expensive than the cost of providing the vaccine "for free".

Given how vocal the anti-vaxxing covidiots have been though, I wonder how many of them would be willing to get the flu shot? and what kind of lame excuse would they be using if they do get the flu shot?

(I still hope they would get vaccinated, at least with the flu shot, even when they don't believe in the COVID vaccine.)
Slight change of subject - a PSA that the flu shot is now available to anybody. Wife and I got ours at London Drugs last night - booked online - 2 day wait for an appointment after work but lots of day time slots available. In and out in less than 5 minutes.

TOS'd

10-21-2021, 07:59 AM

On the travel related note, it looks like we (ie. BC) would have to go through a small mess with the new federal vaccine passport. FailFish

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2021/10/20/canada-covid-international-vaccine-passport/

It will be rolled out by the end of November, but some provinces are ready already. They include Ontario, Quebec and Saskatchewan. But those in Alberta, B.C., and Manitoba will have to wait a bit longer, according to officials.

In the interim period, officials say the provincial proof of immunization card will be accepted.

Why can't the federal and provincial govs make it easier for us average Joes?
I originally thought ONs looked pretty bad vs. BCs and it also took a month longer to roll out, but it appears its the same formatting they planned on using federally. :toot:

Hondaracer

10-21-2021, 08:10 AM

Thailand you could already come and go as you please essentially, their quarantine was a complete joke lol

A family friend lives half the year there and owns property but other friends have come and gone in the last couple months for vacation, the “quarantine” is you have to stay and register in a hotel, but you only have to sleep there, you can come and go as you please lol..

They all stay in a friends “hotel” which is like a beachside resort and it’s around the corner of his place so as long as he returns to sleep there you can go anywhere you want lol

68style

10-21-2021, 08:12 AM

^ that’s exactly what I read too… or people will come from different countries and they let you quarantine in the same room together lol

pastarocket

10-21-2021, 08:31 AM

I think that the level of Covid safety protocols in Asian countries and the subsequent quarantine restrictions vary widely depending on vaccination rates.

Vietnam lifted their strict stay-at-home restrictions in late September. Migrant workers have fled the capital Ho Chi Minh city since early October because of fears that the Delta variant will spread across Ho Chi Minh, and the Mekong Delta, highlands areas of the country quickly.

Vaccination rates in Vietnam are pretty low. I know this for a fact from a cousin of mine. My cousin Rob took the first flight to Vietnam after getting fully vaccinated in August. He is desperately trying to get into Vietnam so that he can visit his wife and 8 month old daughter. His wife and daughter live on a farm on the outskirts of Ho Chi Minh.

The sad news is that my cousin was not able to see his wife and daughter, as the Vietnamese government banned all incoming flights while his flight was over the Pacific Ocean in August. Ho Chi Minh City was under lockdown for months.

He stayed with some friends in Thailand, in Bangkok for two months, hoping that Vietnam would lift its travel restrictions for foreigners like him.

No dice. He took a flight home to BC in early October.

As of today, he said that his wife, his in-laws and brother in law, have still not received their first vaccine dose in Vietnam.

JDMDreams

10-21-2021, 09:32 AM

But what if they tried to sneak in the Corona vaccine in with the flu shot :ilied::troll::troll::troll::lawl:

whitev70r

10-21-2021, 12:14 PM

^ some anti-vaxxers will probably think that way and now refuse any government subsidized vaccine.

320icar

10-21-2021, 01:43 PM

But what if they tried to sneak in the Corona vaccine in with the flu shot :ilied::troll::troll::troll::lawl:

The FDA:

https://c.tenor.com/yUjpP621gUIAAAAC/gotcha-bitch-bitch.gif

StylinRed

10-21-2021, 07:54 PM

Quick question the "viral" test to enter the US by air, is that just the rapid antigen test?

I'm attending a funeral next week and just googling things

inv4zn

10-21-2021, 09:58 PM

Quick question the "viral" test to enter the US by air, is that just the rapid antigen test?

I'm attending a funeral next week and just googling things

It's pretty cut and dry, found here:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html

I didn't search too deeply but it sounds like you need a PCR as Canada doesn't offer some of the ones accepted by the US.

StylinRed

10-22-2021, 12:01 AM

Thanks yea I was confused by the different abbreviations for tests etc, but called n asked, just an antigen test is good, so that's not bad

JSALES

10-22-2021, 12:41 AM

Thanks yea I was confused by the different abbreviations for tests etc, but called n asked, just an antigen test is good, so that's not bad

If you’re doing the testing at YVR airport, it’s I think $10-$15 cheaper if you go to the ultima clinic near the 7-eleven in the domestic terminal depending on the day and your departure time. The other testing site located near the fairmont where everyone usually goes is $130. Just an FYI.

10-22-2021, 09:53 AM

Will be doing a couple domestic trips this month for work, do they still do those drive-thru testing facilities for free? I just want to get a test for ease of mind, any suggestions?

inv4zn

10-22-2021, 10:33 AM

Will be doing a couple domestic trips this month for work, do they still do those drive-thru testing facilities for free? I just want to get a test for ease of mind, any suggestions?

I may be wrong, but they're free as long as you have a legitimate reason - "ease of mind" not being one of them.

Our baby was sick with bronculitis and the ER suggested we (the parents) get tested. Stuff like that. Or just say you have a cough haha

The Producer

10-22-2021, 10:52 AM

If you’re doing the testing at YVR airport, it’s I think $10-$15 cheaper if you go to the ultima clinic near the 7-eleven in the domestic terminal depending on the day and your departure time. The other testing site located near the fairmont where everyone usually goes is $130. Just an FYI.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzbHZp-VUAIneUZ.png

What a fucking world we're living in.

donk.

10-22-2021, 12:07 PM

I wonder how many of them would be willing to get the flu shot? and what kind of lame excuse would they be using if they do get the flu shot?

tHEres HuMAn tiSSUe in the shot

StylinRed

10-24-2021, 01:03 PM

If you’re doing the testing at YVR airport, it’s I think $10-$15 cheaper if you go to the ultima clinic near the 7-eleven in the domestic terminal depending on the day and your departure time. The other testing site located near the fairmont where everyone usually goes is $130. Just an FYI.

I had mine done at a bon voyage clinic in coquitlam... I've never seen such a filthy medical clinic... Like not even in (insert poor country) I felt like I'd catch something by letting them test me

Staff was really friendly though :badpokerface:

pastarocket

10-25-2021, 03:59 PM

-latest Covid case counts from this past weekend. Dr. Henry's update:

1618 new cases

20 deaths

On Monday, the province announced 90 per cent of all eligible adults have received their first vaccine dose, while 85 per cent have received their second. Among all eligible British Columbians (aged 12 and up), 89.6 per cent have received one dose and 84.4 per cent have received both doses.

Fraser Health continues to record the most new cases, with 699 in the past three days. It also has the most active cases, with 2,030 of the 4,966 province-wide

blkgsr

10-26-2021, 11:52 AM

I had mine done at a bon voyage clinic in coquitlam... I've never seen such a filthy medical clinic... Like not even in (insert poor country) I felt like I'd catch something by letting them test me

Staff was really friendly though :badpokerface:

went to maui a couple weeks ago and booked out test through air canada and got it done at shoppers in port moody. no problems

pastarocket

10-26-2021, 01:08 PM

Booster shots are going to be rolled out early next year by mid January to the broader population of BC :

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2021/10/26/bc-covid-booster-shots/

The general B.C. population over 12 years of age will receive their COVID-19 booster shots six to eight months after receiving their second dose.

B.C. will start distributing boosters through a phased approach, which starts this month and expected to run until May. Priority will be based on the interval since someone received their second jab, their risk to the virus, and age.

According to the province, higher-risk populations are “fully vaccinated populations experiencing breakthrough infections, which cause significant rates of hospitalization and poor outcomes. Largest high-risk populations are the 70+ and Indigenous Peoples.”

The broader population can expect to start receiving invitations mid-January.

The process of getting kids aged five and up vaccinated is underway in B.C., and parents can pre-register their kids online on the B.C. government’s website. Parents will be notified of eligibility to book an appointment once the vaccines are approved for use by Health Canada.

Moderna and Pfizer will be offered as booster shots to all eligible vaccine recipients
Invitations to book booster doses will be done through the province's Get Vaccinated program

JDMDreams

10-27-2021, 08:40 AM

Where's all the healthcare workers that got sent unpaid home? Apparently there's 3% completely unvaxed. :ahwow:

westopher

10-27-2021, 09:33 AM

They are probably at home.

JSALES

10-27-2021, 11:06 AM

StylinRed

10-27-2021, 11:11 AM

3hrs for a reg antigen test

HonestTea

10-27-2021, 11:35 PM

Aren't antigen tests instant? (YVR airport)

StylinRed

10-28-2021, 03:50 AM

Aren't antigen tests instant? (YVR airport)

I think they're like 20mins typically

But I went a day early cuz I didn't want to leave it for the last moment

So they said they'd process my test at the end of their day most likely, but got it a bit sooner

Vansterdam

10-28-2021, 08:47 AM

Where's all the healthcare workers that got sent unpaid home? Apparently there's 3% completely unvaxed. :ahwow:

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-surgeries-tests-postponed-as-4000-unvaccinated-b-c-heath-care-workers-put-on-leave

4000 strong

underscore

10-28-2021, 11:15 PM

4,000 out of 126,000 total so yeah about 3%. I wonder how many of the healthcare workers that walked off the job in other provinces/states would want to take their places.

68style

10-28-2021, 11:27 PM

My sister is on-call every day now at the hospital for the specialty she does (not going to say for privacy reasons) because the only 2 people that full-time do that job both refuse to get vaccinated and can't work.

twitchyzero

10-29-2021, 06:04 AM

i get that there are legit reasons why some opted out after the 1st shot, but thousands in public healthcare that are totally unprotected?

it's like an engineer that doesn't believe in physics, botches up the math and hundreds die as a result, it's practically negligence

immorality

10-29-2021, 07:42 AM

it's like an engineer that doesn't believe in physics, botches up the math and hundreds die as a result, it's practically negligence

That's what I was thinking. Someone dedicates their career to medical science, then doesn't believe in it now? My wife works in healthcare and there are a few people in her area that were placed on leave.

JDMDreams

10-29-2021, 08:04 AM

A life guard that can't swim?:ilied::troll:

GLOW

10-29-2021, 09:07 AM

i think more like a life guard that doesn't believe that a floatation device helps / works

6793026

10-29-2021, 10:21 AM

i'm flying back to HK tonight.
got my PCR test.. 150 dolalrs at the fly clear across from flyingbeaver mcdonalds.

anyone needs tips.. let me know... not going to like the quaratine ughhhh

JDMDreams

10-29-2021, 12:40 PM

How much is the quarantine in HK?:pokerface:

StylinRed

10-29-2021, 01:02 PM

NY has a saliva pcr test that is suitable for Canada reentry

I went to a snooty clinic in NoHo to get it done, and the lady, I dunno if I can call her a nurse.., was bare fingering the vial/lid used to collect the saliva and handing it to me, didn't even clean her hands prior to handling anything, felt like I'd catch something from her by spitting into the vial :lol Then she said she'd leave the room to allow me to spit/fill the vial myself

They're totally not taking anything seriously, I went to a snooty clinic hoping it'd be hygienic at least, but oh boy

pastarocket

10-29-2021, 01:05 PM

How much is the quarantine in HK?:pokerface:

Quarantine requirement for Hong Kong:

Undergo compulsory quarantine for 21 days in a designated quarantine hotel;
(of course, you pay for the hotel stay)

Undergo 6 tests during compulsory quarantine (professional swab sampling);
Self-monitoring in the subsequent 7 days; and.
Compulsory testing on the 26th day of arrival at Hong Kong at any Community Testing Centre (CTC)

The Hong Kong government does not mess around when it comes to Covid quarantine. :lol

StylinRed

10-29-2021, 01:15 PM

I heard it was like a month quarantine but couldn't believe it, yeesh

Hondaracer

10-29-2021, 01:22 PM

Lol fuck..keep foreigners out while China takes control

CRS

10-29-2021, 01:28 PM

Lol fuck..keep foreigners out while China takes control

Bro, China already has complete control over HK.

SumAznGuy

10-29-2021, 02:24 PM

Quarantine requirement for Hong Kong:

Undergo compulsory quarantine for 21 days in a designated quarantine hotel;
(of course, you pay for the hotel stay)

Undergo 6 tests during compulsory quarantine (professional swab sampling);
Self-monitoring in the subsequent 7 days; and.
Compulsory testing on the 26th day of arrival at Hong Kong at any Community Testing Centre (CTC)

The Hong Kong government does not mess around when it comes to Covid quarantine. :lol

Except when you are a VIP.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/20/1029718205/nicole-kidman-hong-kong-quarantine-covid-exemption

SkinnyPupp

10-29-2021, 03:13 PM

Except when you are a VIP.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/20/1029718205/nicole-kidman-hong-kong-quarantine-covid-exemption
They don't do that anymore... Only govt officials from China (with exceptions if they come from a place with that has active local cases) can bypass it pretty much, AFAIK

Also they just added a rule where if you are hospitalized for covid, you have to quarantine for 14 days after you leave hospital isolation. It's absurd!

StylinRed

10-29-2021, 03:37 PM

The federal vax passport is available to BC residents now (health gateway save as pdf)

For some reason the federal passport says I had one pfizer and one moderna dose, but my vax card says I got two pfizer shots, n the day of my second dose the vax centre said it was pfizer doses so..... wut

JDMDreams

10-29-2021, 08:58 PM

Even Huawei lady had to quarantine when she got back, they don't want any of that Canada virus:troll::troll:

68style

10-29-2021, 09:39 PM

Was it quarantine… or were they waterboarding her to see if she gave up state secrets

6793026

10-29-2021, 10:43 PM

How much is the quarantine in HK?:pokerface:

SO much fun.
1) PCR test... HAS to be certified ISO. I'm sitting at the gate and the lifelab this lady she got the results from were not the HK recognized ISO.....

Was super worried if I should get rushed versus regular ($150 + tax versus 200)
2) Flight via Cathy $2,500 economy CDN
3) Hotel at the shittest hotel.. (40 of them are all booked); $20k HKD for 14 days.

Gumby

10-30-2021, 10:57 AM

^why are you going to HK?

Teriyaki

10-30-2021, 04:37 PM

^why are you going to HK?

Possibly on a mission to snap some pics to resurrect the Hongers/Twangers Thread!!???

ilovebacon

10-30-2021, 08:12 PM

Possibly on a mission to snap some pics to resurrect the Hongers/Twangers Thread!!???

Nice :lol

SkinnyPupp

10-31-2021, 05:01 PM

American police protesting a vaccine mandate FailFish

https://i.redd.it/fvwl4vxb7tw71.jpg

Manic!

10-31-2021, 05:28 PM

I think I have found a good way to deal with anti maskers who come into my store. I tell them my doctors have given me a medical exemption from dealing with customers who don't wear a mask. It has worked well. Last one was out within 30 seconds. She did have a confused look on her face.

Alpine

10-31-2021, 07:17 PM

American police protesting a vaccine mandate FailFish

https://i.redd.it/fvwl4vxb7tw71.jpg

They will be replaced by privatized security forces soon enough..

westopher

10-31-2021, 07:41 PM

Something makes me think quite a few of these protestors are the same people posting "RUN EM OVER" while sharing breitbart articles about BLM protests.

SkinnyPupp

10-31-2021, 07:55 PM

My main reason for posting that was a cop holding a sign saying "DO NOT COMPLY" WutFace

6793026

10-31-2021, 10:37 PM

^why are you going to HK?

Unexpected funeral.

donk.

10-31-2021, 10:42 PM

Ive never seen so many pigs in one photo

68style

10-31-2021, 11:31 PM

I see a lot more FDNY hats

mikemhg

11-01-2021, 09:47 AM

"The greatest lie ever told is that vax is safe and effective"

:lol :lol :lol

The greatest lie ever told?

These people are so hyperbolic you can't even believe that's a photo taken in 2021.

StylinRed

11-01-2021, 11:21 AM

Being in NY, I gotta say most people are masked up, at least indoors, even though you're allowed to go mask less if you're fully vaxxed

Strolling thru times square and the Halloween parade in the village, it's outdoors, but I'd say 70% have their mask on, and those that don't have one on, have it down by their chin or wrist and seem prepared to use it

pastarocket

11-01-2021, 12:17 PM

-just heard on Citynews1130 about Dr. Henry's announcement for booster shots.

Anyone with two doses of Astra Zeneca is eligible to receive a booster shot sooner than expected. 6 month gap between 2nd shot of A Z and the booster shot instead of the previous 8 month gap.

Dr. Henry said that two doses of A Z gives strong protection from Covid illness, but weaker protection from Covid infection.

Hondaracer

11-01-2021, 12:51 PM

https://i.imgur.com/xnLowK2.jpg

The Producer

11-01-2021, 01:02 PM

Manic!

11-01-2021, 04:43 PM

https://nypost.com/2021/11/01/heres-how-many-nypd-cops-are-on-unpaid-leave-over-vaccine-mandate/

Only a few a dozen NYPD members were placed on unpaid leave Monday after refusing to get the COVID-19 vaccine — but thousands of unvaccinated employees remain on the job with pending exemption requests, the city’s top cop said.

Police Commissioner Dermot Shea said 34 cops and 40 civilian members of the force — which account for fewer than .15 percent of NYPD employees — did not comply with Mayor Bill de Blasio’s mandate requiring most city workers to get their first jab by Monday.

68style

11-01-2021, 05:11 PM

What do these idiots think is wrong with it at this point? Do they see their coworkers growing third eyes or tentacles or keeling over anywhere?

westopher

11-01-2021, 05:24 PM

THE LONG TERM AFFECTS BRO. THE MEDIA IS HIDING ALL THE VACCINE DEATHES ITS 10X THE COVID DEATHS.
You can't rationalize it anymore. The people are just genuine fucking idiots, and now it's just contrarian bullshit so stupid people can feel like they are smart because they don't "follow blindly."

StylinRed

11-01-2021, 06:59 PM

Longterm is a possibility tho whO kNooooowWs

Side note, I never got asked for my pcr test results, nor was I asked for proof of vax, or to look at my arrivecan receipt

hud 91gt

11-01-2021, 08:35 PM

It’s about being forced to do anything, that’s about it.

JSALES

11-01-2021, 11:02 PM

Shanghai Disneyland locks 33,000 inside park for mass testing after 1 case of COVID detected

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shanghai-disneyland-park-closed-covid-testing/?intcid=CNI-00-10aaa3b&fbclid=IwAR20hiYxqdyYULemEiorHozOiOXgbOLMI4kgVG1K1 ylMHCYWpPTUs-CGz4o#x

68style

11-02-2021, 12:06 AM

Imagine you got locked into the "It's a small world" ride and had to listen to that song over and over and over and over and over again

donk.

11-02-2021, 06:44 AM

What do these idiots think is wrong with it at this point? Do they see their coworkers growing third eyes or tentacles or keeling over anywhere?

The anti vaxxers at our work have the following reasons

Our cult leader is all about global reset 2030, police state, he doesnt know whats in it, covid is the flu, DEEP down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories

Another staff has concerns about thrombosis, anaphylaxis, shingles, (cant spell im esl), plus all the unknown long term effects

Third staff was all anti fingerprints for some of our security clearances, so he is very much anti government "being in THe sYsTEm"

Fourth is an albertan, self explanitory lol

The other x people are a mix of the above

twitchyzero

11-02-2021, 07:01 AM

biometrics is kinda scary though

i boarded my last flight without boarding pass or id, they just scanned my face

Manic!

11-02-2021, 11:33 AM

Local Canadian tire. A bunch of anti mask lossers stormed the store.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CVwOZpygzdE/?utm_medium=share_sheet

https://twitter.com/MarkSlapinski/status/1455346570803699714?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1455346570803699714%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.toronto99.com%2F2021%2F1 1%2F01%2Fover-100-people-storm-a-canadian-tire-in-bc-with-support-of-rcmp%2F

320icar

11-02-2021, 11:43 AM

Pathetic. Good comment “ Wow, as a business owner following rules and regulations put in place to keep their staff safe that must be incredibly frustrating”

JDMDreams

11-02-2021, 12:10 PM

So are these white people unemployed, yea boss not gonna show up for work today gotta be mask less at Canadian tire.:ahwow:

CivicBlues

11-02-2021, 12:35 PM

First link is from https://www.instagram.com/goodkittiee/

Instagram THOT turned anti-vaxxer. When your asscheeks can't get enough likes alone.

Hondaracer

11-02-2021, 12:49 PM

Lol..toothless guy with the maga hat, quality support

Manic!

11-02-2021, 12:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6tt88zzqvI

StylinRed

11-02-2021, 01:11 PM

Legit reasons to be anti pfizer moderna but they get buried behind all the anti vax commentary

https://youtu.be/8MRYnEjMIPU

68style

11-02-2021, 01:16 PM

Wow what a protest... congratulations... you walked into a Canadian Tire and stood around not buying anything...

CHANGE IS COMING... lol

inv4zn

11-02-2021, 03:10 PM

Legit reasons to be anti pfizer moderna but they get buried behind all the anti vax commentary

https://youtu.be/8MRYnEjMIPU

This is a valid point...but also it's capitalism doing its thing.

Also it should be clear that big pharma is shitty because they put profit before healthcare - but their products are still SCIENCE BASED. The hardcore (and hard stupid) anti-vaxxers take this stance as if somehow pharmaceutical companies are all Satanists working for Bill Gates and are injecting fetal matter to everyone for 5G reception.

Like c'mon, you don't have to like big pharma, but would you rather have your vaccine developed by an actual pharmaceutical company, or...wait, there are literally no alternatives!

JDMDreams

11-02-2021, 04:13 PM

^^ but horse dewormer and a splash of bleach! :accepted:

Bouncing Bettys

11-02-2021, 04:17 PM

Is the hardcore anti-vaxxer you describe a majority among them? What percentage would you estimate they represent?

Manic!

11-02-2021, 04:53 PM

Local anti vaxxer who organized the Canadian tire protest. Pissed off at other anti vaxxers for not doing more.

Only a matter of time before they turn violent.

https://streamable.com/c8cdpl

68style

11-02-2021, 05:13 PM

Man how does he get away with talking shit like that and not get the piss pounded out of him

Hondaracer

11-02-2021, 05:22 PM

Vaxxers too soft?

Teriyaki

11-02-2021, 06:16 PM

Anti-Vaxxers love throwing around the "don't be a sheep", but its ironic that they're the ones most easily influenced and need to be herded like blind sheep. Hence, you get extremists like that up there spewing complete garbage and attacking the crowd and zero consequence or reaction from the crowd.

inv4zn

11-02-2021, 09:06 PM

Is the hardcore anti-vaxxer you describe a majority among them? What percentage would you estimate they represent?

Assuming this question was directed at me.

The morons I described have gone so far down the stupid-hole that their single digit IQ has likely propagated into other areas of their lives. And it doesn't matter what I estimate the "hardcore" represent as a percentage, because being dumb and being an antivaxxer is a correlation, not a causation. Maybe a bit extreme, but that's like asking what percentage of rapists are also pedophiles - who gives a shit, they're all reprehensible.

Returning your bad faith question with another one - other than stupidity poorly veiled as some skewed form of intelligence, what other legitimate reasons are there to be anti-vax in this day and age, especially during a global pandemic?

westopher

11-02-2021, 09:30 PM

A friend of mine, who I have considered to be quite intelligent for most of our lives, made probably the dumbest statement I have ever seen that encompasses this new contrarian, fake intelligence bullshit epidemic sweeping over the absolute dumbest segment of the population lately, in his convoluted embarrassment of an argument against vaccines.
“When you find yourself aligning with the majority, you should question yourself more than ever”
Like if you pick the answer most people would pick, that somehow means you are most likely to be wrong?
Are people who believe 2+2 is 4 dumb? People who believe the sky is blue? How can the popularity of an answer dictate what’s right or wrong? It has absolutely nothing to fucking do with it. Facts are facts, results are results. If the majority of people are right, it’s the right answer. If the majority are wrong, it’s wrong. When things have definitive answers, it doesn’t matter who likes it and who doesn’t.

inv4zn

11-02-2021, 09:43 PM

People who believe the sky is blue?
Boy, you should hear about this club where they believe the sky is actually a mirror or something.

But well said, stupidity is a disease far worse than Covid. It's too bad that the cure for stupidity is logic and reasoning, but you literally can't reason with stupid.

Hondaracer

11-03-2021, 07:32 AM

Love that now there are specific, targeted ads for “boutique” flu shots now. Don’t remember this ever happening before

Radio ads and TV ad’s pushing these branded, varying flu shots and their benefits..pretty gross

JDMDreams

11-03-2021, 08:20 AM

I wonder if this happened in the past in history? Small pox is a hoax, the plague isn't real:considered: too bad we're too soft and sensitive these days and just won't let them die.

westopher

11-04-2021, 05:31 PM

Covid-19 denier, flat earther, anti vax rally organizer Mak Parhar has died, likely of Covid, but not confirmed. You cant write this shit.

320icar

11-04-2021, 05:37 PM

When people try to talk sense to anti vaxxers

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvNqymt2_OupAS3CYpuTf7zd7E9PwJQ OTOcw&usqp=CAU

Manic!

11-04-2021, 06:10 PM

Covid-19 denier, flat earther, anti vax rally organizer Mak Parhar has died, likely of Covid, but not confirmed. You cant write this shit.

He is the one who owned bikram's yoga that was shut down for covid violations. he had all symptoms of covid but refused to get tested.

inv4zn

11-04-2021, 10:59 PM

Covid-19 denier, flat earther, anti vax rally organizer Mak Parhar has died, likely of Covid, but not confirmed. You cant write this shit.

https://i.ibb.co/JkT6bmM/63f.jpg

fliptuner

11-04-2021, 11:35 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/qn0g11/outspoken_bc_coviddenier_mak_parhar_dies_coroner/

SkinnyPupp

11-05-2021, 12:48 AM

If it wasn't covid that did him in, it might have been the ivermectin he said he was taking when he got sick. The amount needed to "treat" covid can make you much sicker, even kill you.

westopher

11-05-2021, 06:02 AM

Solid post over on that reddit thread.
China unleashed a bioweapon but also COVID is less harmful than a cold and no one has died of it.
Vaccines don't do anything but are also so dangerous that simply being around a vaccinated person will make a Freedom Fightertm sick.
Masks are useless and the material is so permeable that they don't actually prevent exhaling or inhaling a virus but also oxygen molecules can't pass through masks so wearing a mask will crash your blood oxygen levels and make you sick.
Big Pharma is bad and wants to keep you sick except for the Big Pharma that created ivermectin, vitamin supplements, and all of the other products that nutbars claim cure COVID.
COVID isn't real but they're all dosing themselves with horse paste so they don't get COVID.

Euro7r

11-05-2021, 12:25 PM

Covid-19 denier, flat earther, anti vax rally organizer Mak Parhar has died, likely of Covid, but not confirmed. You cant write this shit.

I'm like who the fuck is this clown? Now reading the news, I'm like how is this even news....adds no value to society.

Hondaracer

11-05-2021, 12:27 PM

He was actually a crisis actor in the war on freedom

SkinnyPupp

11-05-2021, 10:36 PM

Want to get really fucking mad, but then feel kinda OK at the end?

https://v.redd.it/7jeomgd47sx71

SkinnyPupp

11-08-2021, 01:37 AM

https://twitter.com/deweysim/status/1457655509478039556

mikemhg

11-08-2021, 10:44 AM

^This is exactly what needs to happen in Canada, and we'll be over this antivax crap.

Too bad it would take a constitutional change..

N.V.M.

11-08-2021, 11:01 AM

what about smokers ?

Traum

11-08-2021, 11:27 AM

I am so conflicted about this because on one hand, I think this is absolutely the right thing to do -- you have been repeatedly warned about the COVID risks, but you still choose to go against the recommendation, so it is only right to make you bear the financial responsibility when shxt hits the fan.

On the other hand, it very much becomes a matter of "where do you draw the line" on this type of issue? Like smokers getting lung cancer. Mountain Biker breaking an arm during a ride. Teenage pregnancy. Or just plain old tons of different illnesses from someone being a lazy a$$ and not exercising.

So where do you draw the line?
https://twitter.com/deweysim/status/1457655509478039556

SSM_DC5

11-08-2021, 11:41 AM

^Communicable illness?

N.V.M.

11-08-2021, 11:46 AM

I heard eating pussy causes cancer. is that a commicable disease?

bcedhk

11-08-2021, 12:08 PM

what about smokers ?

COVID does not have a multi-billion lobbying group. The only people lobbying against COVID are idiots like Mak Parhar.

whitev70r

11-08-2021, 12:40 PM

I heard eating pussy causes cancer. is that a commicable disease?

sp - communicable

The kind you eat .. probably. It's called STD.

spoon.ek9

11-08-2021, 01:33 PM

Solid post over on that reddit thread.

should add: trump deserves full credit for the vaccine but also, don't get the vaccine because it's unsafe.

320icar

11-08-2021, 01:41 PM

what about smokers ?

Big difference. I’ve made similar comparisons and arguments about this debate. My heart says fuck the anti vax but my head knows it would be a logistical minefield. But the reason smoking is a bad example is that, yes, it’s a choice, but it just effects you. Whereas directly skirting covid rules has a much greater public risk. And if these people think “it’s just a flu” they should have no issue signing it.

We’ve banned indoor public smoking, public area outdoor smoking, smoking near any windows/doorways, and home/car smoking where children may be present. These are all measures taken to protect the general public for potentially getting sick from something that has nothing to do with you and can be “passed around” in public.

Why should covid be any different?

underscore

11-08-2021, 03:33 PM

Our healthcare system, as it sits, can handle the smokers and everything else listed there. It can't handle COVID if it's allowed to run amuck.

The gov't also taxes smokes like crazy, so you could argue they are somewhat paying for a portion of their care.

should add: trump deserves full credit for the vaccine but also, don't get the vaccine because it's unsafe.

Also add: don't trust the healthcare system, until I feel sick then let me clog up the ICU for a couple months.

inv4zn

11-08-2021, 08:38 PM

Also add: don't trust the healthcare system, until I feel sick then let me clog up the ICU for a couple months.

This list is literally endless.

Healthcare is socialism! Handouts are socialism! But also please here's a gofundme to pay for my husband/wife's medical bills, please donate.

S/he's won the battle with Covid! But s/he's with Jesus now.

Traum

11-08-2021, 09:52 PM

But the reason smoking is a bad example is that, yes, it’s a choice, but it just effects you. Whereas directly skirting covid rules has a much greater public risk. And if these people think “it’s just a flu” they should have no issue signing it.

Why should covid be any different?
The argument with smoking is -- 2nd hand smoke is just as bad, or some times worse than 1st hand smoke. So while smoking isn't strictly a communicable disease, it still sort of is (via 2nd hand smoke). And then it comes back to the question of where we draw the line.

Our healthcare system, as it sits, can handle the smokers and everything else listed there. It can't handle COVID if it's allowed to run amuck.
I can see a couple of argument against what you're saying here too. Firstly, I'd say it is questionable whether our healthcare system can really handle smokers and a bunch of other stuff that we've listed. Cancer treatment and resources can always be spent on other non-smoking patients that do not have lung cancer. ER can always use more doctors. We have an overdose crisis and treatment for those who OD are very expensive and often quite the revolving door. If we drop the COVID patients off healthcare's financial coverage, do we also drop OD people from healthcare financial coverage as well?

Some people could also claim that a healthcare system that cannot better care for our current number of COVID patients is a failure of the system itself, and that it should be dramatically expanded to build that capacity. And our healthcare is inadequate -- look at all those wait times for "elective surgeries". I hate that term because "elective surgery" isn't really elective in a lot of cases. It just means it isn't immediately life threatening, but it could still be very bad.

As much as I'd like to just fxxk the anti-vax idiots, the spectrum from black to gray to white makes it too difficult to draw that line.

SkinnyPupp

11-08-2021, 10:36 PM

What I find interesting, and part of why I shared that about SG, is I see a lot of people in the US and Canada hoping for a more authoritative state when it comes to things like this.

Traum

11-08-2021, 11:03 PM

What I find interesting, and part of why I shared that about SG, is I see a lot of people in the US and Canada hoping for a more authoritative state when it comes to things like this.
And that is exactly the problem with the Singaporean gov -- they are authoritarian. It's great if you happen to agree with them. But if you disagree with them, even if you have good reason to, you're fxxked.

SkinnyPupp

11-08-2021, 11:09 PM

And that is exactly the problem with the Singaporean gov -- they are authoritarian. It's great if you happen to agree with them. But if you disagree with them, even if you have good reason to, you're fxxked.
Yup it's an interesting argument that most don't consider

StylinRed

11-09-2021, 02:23 AM

I find it odd for sg to take that stance tho, considering how supportive of the population it is, you'd think they'd back their citizenry regardless of their choices

SkinnyPupp

11-09-2021, 02:50 AM

I find it odd for sg to take that stance tho, considering how supportive of the population it is, you'd think they'd back their citizenry regardless of their choices
They have their fair share of anti vaxxers and nutjobs, and it only takes a few to mess everything up.

They have had way more people die in the last month than any other month since covid started.

Someone's mom died from it, and she found conversations on her WhatsApp church group chat with her talking about not getting vaccinated, buying ivermectin when she got sick, being mad at her daughter for going on about vaccines, etc. It was an interesting look at what goes on in someone's head who is antivax but not necessarily a nutjob. Just influenced by cults instead of science.

StylinRed

11-09-2021, 03:30 AM

Oh wow didn't realize they were like that

68style

11-09-2021, 05:53 AM

Great68

11-09-2021, 07:54 AM

The argument with smoking is -- 2nd hand smoke is just as bad, or some times worse than 1st hand smoke. So while smoking isn't strictly a communicable disease, it still sort of is (via 2nd hand smoke). And then it comes back to the question of where we draw the line.

I can see a couple of argument against what you're saying here too. Firstly, I'd say it is questionable whether our healthcare system can really handle smokers and a bunch of other stuff that we've listed. Cancer treatment and resources can always be spent on other non-smoking patients that do not have lung cancer. ER can always use more doctors. We have an overdose crisis and treatment for those who OD are very expensive and often quite the revolving door. If we drop the COVID patients off healthcare's financial coverage, do we also drop OD people from healthcare financial coverage as well?

Some people could also claim that a healthcare system that cannot better care for our current number of COVID patients is a failure of the system itself, and that it should be dramatically expanded to build that capacity. And our healthcare is inadequate -- look at all those wait times for "elective surgeries". I hate that term because "elective surgery" isn't really elective in a lot of cases. It just means it isn't immediately life threatening, but it could still be very bad.

As much as I'd like to just fxxk the anti-vax idiots, the spectrum from black to gray to white makes it too difficult to draw that line.

I think that if we're going to set the precedence that anti-vaxxers, or smokers or anyone that participates in any sort of health-risky activity be denied public healthcare, then those people should be allowed to:

A) Stop paying their share of taxes towards public health care (I don't think it's right to force someone to pay for something they can't use)

B) Obtain private, for pay health care services

However I don't think the government, or we as a society want to go down this route, it would be seriously opening up a huge can of worms.

CivicBlues

11-09-2021, 08:06 AM

They have their fair share of anti vaxxers and nutjobs, and it only takes a few to mess everything up.

They have had way more people die in the last month than any other month since covid started.

Someone's mom died from it, and she found conversations on her WhatsApp church group chat with her talking about not getting vaccinated, buying ivermectin when she got sick, being mad at her daughter for going on about vaccines, etc. It was an interesting look at what goes on in someone's head who is antivax but not necessarily a nutjob. Just influenced by cults instead of science.

My Aunt's husband lives in Singapore and works as one of those Hawker stall owners was basically coerced into getting the vaccine after he displayed some hesitancy when the vaccine first came out. I figured the gov't there would be kicking down doors and whatnot, but there's probably a not-small subset of the population in Asia just keeping quiet about their anti-vaxx tendencies unlike like the visible loudmouth anti-vaxx idiots we have in the West.

SumAznGuy

11-09-2021, 09:54 AM

WhatsApp church group chat

This explains a lot of it.

JDMDreams

11-09-2021, 11:00 AM

Traum

11-09-2021, 11:09 AM

When do you guys think they will scrap the tests for coming back via land border? If we can go down without tests it should be the same coming back. Or if they are scared of cases coming in then keep the borders closed.

The tests coming back mean nothing as even if you get infected, you might not have enough antigens for the test to pick up.:suspicious:
Personally, I'm very optimistic that the negative PCR test will be scrapped for land and sea crossings back into Canada. Theresa Tam has recently indicated that the issue needs to be re-examined after much of the business sector around the country all joined in on bitching at the Libs. We have premiers opposing the measure -- I'm sure Horgan isn't alone here. We have municipal governments disagreeing with the measure.

I obviously don't know when things are going to change, but my hope is, the requirement will be dropped by March at the latest. By then, the bulk of the winter respiratory illness season should start fading, and it'd make even more sense by then.

Hondaracer

11-09-2021, 11:38 AM

I’m hoping by then as well. Have a trip booked for Mexico in march with like 12 people and it seems like getting the pcr tedt there is a big headache..

lilaznviper

11-09-2021, 11:39 AM

The worst part now is all the people spreading it and re-spreading it are creating mutations and variations, even within Canada. It’s not even as simple as them slowing down recovery or clogging up hospitals or waiting for them all to get sick… They’re literally preventing us from being able to stop it.

my mother inlaw has a couple of wechat groups doing this and she forwards it over to us. so many messages saying covid is fake, vaccines kill people, they are lying to people about how many people are in the hospital etc...

the worse thing is that she sometimes believe this stuff.

mikemhg

11-09-2021, 11:53 AM

We fly out to Puerto Vallarta on December 25th, so hoping as fuck this stupid PCR test is scrapped.

Also itching for a little drive down to Bellingham here.

Hondaracer

11-09-2021, 12:24 PM

You can be the Guinea pig Mike.. I’ve heard completely mixed things as to getting the tests at the resort, or having to do go a clinic etc and not getting the results in time

So if your pcr test is positive in Mexico, ya better have the dough to live there until you test clean? Lol

JDMDreams

11-09-2021, 12:47 PM

I thought the rule is if you are positive, they still let you back into Canada? You just have to quarantine.

inv4zn

11-09-2021, 12:52 PM

I was speaking with someone today who said he booked a trip to a resort in Mexico mid-December, and that they will provide the PCR test at the resort. If it tests positive you stay in your room for 2 weeks with room service, and it's included as part of the rate. Not sure how much he paid or if it's a part of some "covid insurance package" but I could think of worse ways to spend 2 weeks of quarantine.

Hondaracer

11-09-2021, 01:02 PM

There was definitely nothing like that offered where we booked lol

As far as I know there was no requirement for PCR on arrival, you only have to arrange your own for departing back to Canada

JDMDreams

11-09-2021, 01:31 PM

I know of two people traveling this week, one to Mexico and one to Thailand :ifyouknow:.

Thailand one is on his own to get tested before coming back, Mexico one said the resort includes the test to come back but not sure what will happen if they get tested positive.

donk.

11-09-2021, 01:38 PM

Being stuck in mehico, for 2 weeks, while you can see 26C weather outside, is depressing

Being stuck in raincouver, for 2 weeks, while its 6C outside, is much less depressing, plus you would have all your hobbies to occupied with.....

Traum

11-09-2021, 01:50 PM

I thought the rule is if you are positive, they still let you back into Canada? You just have to quarantine.
Yeah, for Canadian citizens / PR, you just have to quarantine upon returning to Canada if your COVID tests is positive. That's why they still make you specify your quarantine plan. I think you're supposed to do all that in the ArriveCAN app?

As a matter of principle, I think it is down right unconstitutional for Canada to refuse entry to a Canadian citizen / PR. You can set rules to make me do stuff after coming back into Canada, but you can't turn me away from entering the country since that is a right bestowed to citizens / PR.

Hondaracer

11-09-2021, 01:52 PM

Just fucking PCR test every incoming traveller at the airport then..another fail by the Canadian govt. passing the buck onto other jurisdictions

All these travel vloggers etc going through Europe and Asia and getting tests right in the airport upon arrival..

SumAznGuy

11-09-2021, 02:19 PM

Yeah, for Canadian citizens / PR, you just have to quarantine upon returning to Canada if your COVID tests is positive. That's why they still make you specify your quarantine plan. I think you're supposed to do all that in the ArriveCAN app?

As a matter of principle, I think it is down right unconstitutional for Canada to refuse entry to a Canadian citizen / PR. You can set rules to make me do stuff after coming back into Canada, but you can't turn me away from entering the country since that is a right bestowed to citizens / PR.

So you tests positive for Covid and can fly back and quarantine for 2 weeks.
What happens to the other passengers on the flight who tested negative but have to smell your farts for however long your flight is.

I'm kinda curious what the governments thoughts are on that.

StylinRed

11-09-2021, 02:45 PM

We fly out to Puerto Vallarta on December 25th, so hoping as fuck this stupid PCR test is scrapped.

Also itching for a little drive down to Bellingham here.

I'm not sure if it's available in Mexico or in WA state, but you can get a saliva naat test for $130usd and its good for returning to Canada (no one even asked to see my test when returning -_-) at least that way you don't have to get stabbed in your brain :lol

Traum

11-09-2021, 04:03 PM

So you tests positive for Covid and can fly back and quarantine for 2 weeks.
What happens to the other passengers on the flight who tested negative but have to smell your farts for however long your flight is.

I'm kinda curious what the governments thoughts are on that.
That's a completely different question than what I was saying though (about every country needing to allow their own citizens / PR to return to the country).

If an airplane passenger tests positive, the airline shouldn't have allowed the passenger to board in the first place. If they are not doing that check, then it is their failure and their responsibility to the rest of the passenger on the same flight.

As an example of what I am referring to -- let's say I have test positive for COVID. If US border services let me leave the US, then as long as I can find a means to get back to the border -- be it getting hauled in via a special single person quarantine cell or driving my own car back to the border, Canada has a responsibility to let me in because my Canadian citizenship gives me the right to enter the country. CBSA / Health Canada / the Canadian military or whoever can arrest me or put me through a bunch of legal procedures from public health orders.

Traum

11-10-2021, 08:58 AM

Me: You know that your chances of catching and developing severe COVID are significantly higher if you are unvaccinated, right?
UV: I am not anti-vax; I just don't trust the current vaccines.

Me: Literally over 2B people in the world have been vaccinated, with at least 1B of them using mRNA vaccines. It has proven to be extremely safe.
UV: The long term effects of these mRNA vaccines are unknown. I am not going to inject something in my body when I don't know whether there will be long term issues with them.

Me: The AstraZeneca vaccine is developed using traditional viral vector technology that has been used in tons of other vaccines.
UV: AZ has blood clotting risks!

Me: Birth control pills have much higher blood clotting risks than the AZ vaccine.

Me: What about Johnson & Johnson? BC will have a small supply of the J&J vaccine next week. It is also developed using the traditional viral vector technology.

(What do you supposed UV will say now?)
:pokerface: